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Villi VonderVeener (OP)

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Acceptance of impermanence is the only permanent. As in perfection and bliss is the flash of the instantaneous realization of yearning and the inevitable fall.

In essence all we can gain is loss and the temporary.
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Beyond unchanging silence that is.
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Acceptance of impermanence is the only permanent. As in perfection and bliss is the flash of the instantaneous realization of yearning and the inevitable fall.

In essence all we can gain is loss and the temporary.
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Yes.

Perhaps that is why is it so hard.

Fear of loss is one of my final fig leaves.


Can one let it go and still love?

Or does one rely on the other to exist?

hmm
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Acceptance of impermanence is the only permanent. As in perfection and bliss is the flash of the instantaneous realization of yearning and the inevitable fall.

In essence all we can gain is loss and the temporary.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


Yes.

Perhaps that is why is it so hard.

Fear of loss is one of my final fig leaves.


Can one let it go and still love?

Or does one rely on the other to exist?

hmm
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The other objectively allows for awareness of space/time/measurement.

It is the externalization of awareness of awareness. As being aware is not conciousness but rudimentary reaction. When we become aware of process we become self programming. When that is transcended we program subservient other to more accurately see self (reflection)
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Acceptance of impermanence is the only permanent. As in perfection and bliss is the flash of the instantaneous realization of yearning and the inevitable fall.

In essence all we can gain is loss and the temporary.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


Yes.

Perhaps that is why is it so hard.

Fear of loss is one of my final fig leaves.


Can one let it go and still love?

Or does one rely on the other to exist?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


The other objectively allows for awareness of space/time/measurement.

It is the externalization of awareness of awareness. As being aware is not conciousness but rudimentary reaction. When we become aware of process we become self programming. When that is transcended we program subservient other to more accurately see self (reflection)
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


As in being able to see loss as a system of reaction by its cause and therefore rising above it by no means other than recognition?


That works for rationalization, but the sting remains.

How does one let go of that?


I see no way...except time which dulls the edge.

It is why I often ask if missing people is selfish...

I think it is.

hmm
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Villi VonderVeener (OP)

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Acceptance of impermanence is the only permanent. As in perfection and bliss is the flash of the instantaneous realization of yearning and the inevitable fall.

In essence all we can gain is loss and the temporary.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


Yes.

Perhaps that is why is it so hard.

Fear of loss is one of my final fig leaves.


Can one let it go and still love?

Or does one rely on the other to exist?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


The other objectively allows for awareness of space/time/measurement.

It is the externalization of awareness of awareness. As being aware is not conciousness but rudimentary reaction. When we become aware of process we become self programming. When that is transcended we program subservient other to more accurately see self (reflection)
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


As in being able to see loss as a system of reaction by its cause and therefore rising above it by no means other than recognition?


That works for rationalization, but the sting remains.

How does one let go of that?


I see no way...except time which dulls the edge.

It is why I often ask if missing people is selfish...

I think it is.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


In that regard, everything could be construed as selfish. The question as the answer is in the interaction. Eternal silence is not so bad as you can see for miles. But even in perfect silence we wish to touch other to know the reflection of being.

That is my guess as to why gods keep their eyes closed. perfection is a function of a ruleless limitless imagination. In other it is framed.

That is likely why I sit in between mirrors.
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11/14/2012 06:27 PM
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144,000
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144000/432=
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


That's not quite what I was getting at, you all seem pretty keen on 7; which is the 6 around 1 template (seed of life/genesis pattern - embedded within which exists the 12 around 1 blueprint) - you have illustrated there on your hexagram - even the 'central bindu point'.

The entirety mirrors such, 6 around 1; the 1 at the center is the 144,000 faceted core at the level of the entirety - at it's horizontal/vertical central axis.

at the level of the base, it is the 6 petaled flower inside the central circle - it's 7th point / or centrl axis is where the petals connect at the very center of the central circle.

still waiting to find out if I am just delusional or if there is anyone else who is going to direclty perceive the entirety as an omni-dimensional multi-unviersal cosmosphere (which in actuality is an opaluminal simulation).

-interesting thread ...

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It truly depends on what it is you wish to fulfill in congress.
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There's a non-sequitor for you ...

Don't mind me ...

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As in being able to see loss as a system of reaction by its cause and therefore rising above it by no means other than recognition?


That works for rationalization, but the sting remains.

How does one let go of that?


I see no way...except time which dulls the edge.

It is why I often ask if missing people is selfish...

I think it is.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


In that regard, everything could be construed as selfish. The question as the answer is in the interaction. Eternal silence is not so bad as you can see for miles. But even in perfect silence we wish to touch other to know the reflection of being.

That is my guess as to why gods keep their eyes closed. perfection is a function of a ruleless limitless imagination. In other it is framed.

That is likely why I sit in between mirrors.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


I like that.

:)



I just found out, while we were having this conversation that our beach house was being broken into for the second time.

The first time, about a year ago they took quite a bit including, our new flat panel TV and broke our window.

We decided to install an alarm.


Apparently, the alarm worked this time and scarred off the would-be robbers.

However, they still managed to break another window.


Fear of loss?

Quite interesting timing...

:)


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If I am to be like no one else; Who will I be?

If I am to bring about change which delivers us from limitations of awareness; What is it that I cannot see that is to be seen?
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


1. Maybe you can't, maybe nobody can as we are all the same (We are all aspects of the same thing - we all have the same character traits fundamentally.) We all can be a higher expression of a loving being though.

2. Maybe how important it is to just be love and / or maybe what are ALL the inhibitors in self (emotions, beliefs, intentions, attachments, etc.) that block loving awareness.

Clear the blocks to the mind/heart for this then allows access to the infinite intelligence (mind as loving witness/divine mind and divine love.)

That's what I "muse" anyway.
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If I am to be like no one else; Who will I be?

If I am to bring about change which delivers us from limitations of awareness; What is it that I cannot see that is to be seen?
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


1. Maybe you can't, maybe nobody can as we are all the same (We are all aspects of the same thing - we all have the same character traits fundamentally.) We all can be a higher expression of a loving being though.

2. Maybe how important it is to just be love and / or maybe what are ALL the inhibitors in self (emotions, beliefs, intentions, attachments, etc.) that block loving awareness.

Clear the blocks to the mind/heart for this then allows access to the infinite intelligence (mind as loving witness/divine mind and divine love.)

That's what I "muse" anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3506101


Muse away. That is the point. Loss in daydreams often deposits treasures at your feet.

I always substitute the word love for creativity, as one, imo, is more concise than other.
Villi VonderVeener (OP)

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As in being able to see loss as a system of reaction by its cause and therefore rising above it by no means other than recognition?


That works for rationalization, but the sting remains.

How does one let go of that?


I see no way...except time which dulls the edge.

It is why I often ask if missing people is selfish...

I think it is.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


In that regard, everything could be construed as selfish. The question as the answer is in the interaction. Eternal silence is not so bad as you can see for miles. But even in perfect silence we wish to touch other to know the reflection of being.

That is my guess as to why gods keep their eyes closed. perfection is a function of a ruleless limitless imagination. In other it is framed.

That is likely why I sit in between mirrors.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


I like that.

:)



I just found out, while we were having this conversation that our beach house was being broken into for the second time.

The first time, about a year ago they took quite a bit including, our new flat panel TV and broke our window.

We decided to install an alarm.


Apparently, the alarm worked this time and scarred off the would-be robbers.

However, they still managed to break another window.


Fear of loss?

Quite interesting timing...

:)


hugs
 Quoting: Seer777


Crime oddly enough is the addiction to things outside ones abilities or needs.

How many criminals are imbued with a fascination of that which they perpetrate. There is no joy in it, solely service to destruction.
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Acceptance of impermanence is the only permanent. As in perfection and bliss is the flash of the instantaneous realization of yearning and the inevitable fall.

In essence all we can gain is loss and the temporary.
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Sounds so depressing Villi...Where's the continuous joy with awareness...

An attitude of gratitude (for all that is and the source of all/G*d with a healthy dose of love mixed in for all of that for good measure)...try that my friend...and report to headquarters...nix that...headquarters may be reporting to you...seat belts fasten...hematite...grounded...though a heart aflame is more grounded than an open crown...feel it now...grateful...love it all...more gratitude and love...feedback...love...beyond bliss... is it ecstasy...LOVE...thank you father/mother...thank you......

Are you satisfied? Happy? Joyful? Blissful? Ecstatic?

Share it...

be always giving and have gratitude...with a forgiving attitude...

or is it / and vice versa...

with a forgiving attitude...be always giving and have gratitude (especially for all that is and G*d)...

Free will and we are supposed to meet half way. How about That??? Take the vibration higher... higher than love... to gratitude ... for everything possible including the source of it all... who would of thunk it...

beyond that??? don't know but ecstasy seems to be as high as we can handle perhaps. Nervous system in the physical probably can't go too much higher and be functional...

just musing...
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Acceptance of impermanence is the only permanent. As in perfection and bliss is the flash of the instantaneous realization of yearning and the inevitable fall.

In essence all we can gain is loss and the temporary.
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Yes.

Perhaps that is why is it so hard.

Fear of loss is one of my final fig leaves.


Can one let it go and still love?

Or does one rely on the other to exist?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


The other objectively allows for awareness of space/time/measurement.

It is the externalization of awareness of awareness. As being aware is not conciousness but rudimentary reaction. When we become aware of process we become self programming. When that is transcended we program subservient other to more accurately see self (reflection)
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


As in being able to see loss as a system of reaction by its cause and therefore rising above it by no means other than recognition?


That works for rationalization, but the sting remains.

How does one let go of that?


I see no way...except time which dulls the edge.

It is why I often ask if missing people is selfish...

I think it is.

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


reverse the thought, would not missing them also be selfish?
If so, it becomes much like everything else a selected path based on degrees. One's nature should not be suppress but transcended. Nice thread cannuck, I know its a little late to ask but does me calling you cannuck, bother you? It would be no problem for me to call you Dion.
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Acceptance of impermanence is the only permanent. As in perfection and bliss is the flash of the instantaneous realization of yearning and the inevitable fall.

In essence all we can gain is loss and the temporary.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


Sounds so depressing Villi...Where's the continuous joy with awareness...

An attitude of gratitude (for all that is and the source of all/G*d with a healthy dose of love mixed in for all of that for good measure)...try that my friend...and report to headquarters...nix that...headquarters may be reporting to you...seat belts fasten...hematite...grounded...though a heart aflame is more grounded than an open crown...feel it now...grateful...love it all...more gratitude and love...feedback...love...beyond bliss... is it ecstasy...LOVE...thank you father/mother...thank you......

Are you satisfied? Happy? Joyful? Blissful? Ecstatic?

Share it...

be always giving and have gratitude...with a forgiving attitude...

or is it / and vice versa...

with a forgiving attitude...be always giving and have gratitude (especially for all that is and G*d)...

Free will and we are supposed to meet half way. How about That??? Take the vibration higher... higher than love... to gratitude ... for everything possible including the source of it all... who would of thunk it...

beyond that??? don't know but ecstasy seems to be as high as we can handle perhaps. Nervous system in the physical probably can't go too much higher and be functional...

just musing...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14404589


More than just musings, it's a lot of what we haven't seen enough of lately.

hf

Interpret as you wish -)
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beyond that??? don't know but ecstasy seems to be as high as we can handle perhaps. Nervous system in the physical probably can't go too much higher and be functional...

just musing...
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Agreed.

As there is only sensation there.


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It is all incumbent on the ties to you and the vanity which holds to keep those ties steadfast.

It is what holds you to grieve false impermanence and separation which doesn't exist.

You will either bend, change and grow to shed the false skin you have wrought or be consumed by it.

Belief is 11/10ths of the law.
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beyond that??? don't know but ecstasy seems to be as high as we can handle perhaps. Nervous system in the physical probably can't go too much higher and be functional...

just musing...
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Agreed.

As there is only sensation there.


:)
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No sensation as sensation would elicit separation. A field in flux is faster than awareness or the separation of supposition or comparison.

As when there is only 1 there is no compare. No action reaction, just potential without division to path and ultimatum.
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beyond that??? don't know but ecstasy seems to be as high as we can handle perhaps. Nervous system in the physical probably can't go too much higher and be functional...

just musing...
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Agreed.

As there is only sensation there.


:)
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No sensation as sensation would elicit separation. A field in flux is faster than awareness or the separation of supposition or comparison.

As when there is only 1 there is no compare. No action reaction, just potential without division to path and ultimatum.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


I'm still chewing on your last post there...


False impermanence?

scratching

I'm stuck there...seems a double negative, or perhaps just 'permanence' but that doesn't seem to work either.

Unless you are just implying impermanence is false.

I'll keep working on it.

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beyond that??? don't know but ecstasy seems to be as high as we can handle perhaps. Nervous system in the physical probably can't go too much higher and be functional...

just musing...
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Agreed.

As there is only sensation there.


:)
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No sensation as sensation would elicit separation. A field in flux is faster than awareness or the separation of supposition or comparison.

As when there is only 1 there is no compare. No action reaction, just potential without division to path and ultimatum.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


I'm still chewing on your last post there...


False impermanence?

scratching

I'm stuck there...seems a double negative, or perhaps just 'permanence' but that doesn't seem to work either.

Unless you are just implying impermanence is false.

I'll keep working on it.

:)
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Impermanence isn't a negative. But the acquisition of a mode of associated behaviours that create a false impermanence through manipulated temporal beliefs well could be.
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Impermanence isn't a negative. But the acquisition of a mode of associated behaviours that create a false impermanence through manipulated temporal beliefs well could be.
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I see.

As some behaviors have become an intrusive reaction based on past necessity which no longer applies.

Troublesome and noted for a while now.

That is if I am following you correctly.

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Impermanence isn't a negative. But the acquisition of a mode of associated behaviours that create a false impermanence through manipulated temporal beliefs well could be.
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I see.

As some behaviors have become an intrusive reaction based on past necessity which no longer applies.

Troublesome and noted for a while now.

That is if I am following you correctly.

hmm
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As some behaviours are based on the necessity of Other rather than an act of reconciliation or growth.

Self fulfilling paradigms is an oft quoted summation.
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Impermanence isn't a negative. But the acquisition of a mode of associated behaviours that create a false impermanence through manipulated temporal beliefs well could be.
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I see.

As some behaviors have become an intrusive reaction based on past necessity which no longer applies.

Troublesome and noted for a while now.

That is if I am following you correctly.

hmm
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As some behaviours are based on the necessity of Other rather than an act of reconciliation or growth.

Self fulfilling paradigms is an oft quoted summation.
 Quoting: Villi VonderVeener


In simpler terms: When it becomes a comparison reflecting others behaviour (mimicry) it has lost it's connection to intention.
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Hi Villi,

I did not mean offense in any way. I saw what I thought was a neat segue into something I've held back from sharing here but shared elsewhere. I realized later how it might sound and was going to leave a reply on your other thread but now I saw this. My apologies. I enjoy what you share always and appreciate what you have done. You've always been great to everyone here. Again I am sorry if I upset you in any way and I know I should of been more considerate and careful.
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Hi Villi,

I did not mean offense in any way. I saw what I thought was a neat segue into something I've held back from sharing here but shared elsewhere. I realized later how it might sound and was going to leave a reply on your other thread but now I saw this. My apologies. I enjoy what you share always and appreciate what you have done. You've always been great to everyone here. Again I am sorry if I upset you in any way and I know I should of been more considerate and careful.
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2.....1....circulation

nature of time colour and sound as a root program of form.


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2.....1....circulation

nature of time colour and sound as a root program of form.



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Question - he states but doesn't explain this - "we can get 7 colors out of the torus because it has 2 pi's" How? ( 7 basic chakra colors.)

Also if we have these 1 and 2 pi is there 3 or even more pi's any where in nature?
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2.....1....circulation

nature of time colour and sound as a root program of form.



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Question - he states but doesn't explain this - "we can get 7 colors out of the torus because it has 2 pi's" How? ( 7 basic chakra colors.)

Also if we have these 1 and 2 pi is there 3 or even more pi's any where in nature?
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Prismatic refraction and the nature of being within a medium that creates characteristic effects.

The difference between the torroid and the sphere is that it is not only spherical but within the shape dictates the circulation of said sphere.

In simple terms :it's function is analogous to it's form.

The 2 pi's are also a function of time and space and colour is an incidence of interaction with a medium as is sound.

A vexing question would be are we within or without the skin of the forms function, as the perspective of time and potential is greatly changed by our literal inclinations within the form space.

Thanks for the coffee thunk!

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Interesting question. May need rephrasing from post coffee day hangover :)

Perhaps there is more than 2 possible answers. First you have the obvious within and without as stated. Could also be the skin of the form itself or any combination of the 3 or none of the above leaving 8 possible answers.

Perhaps it depends also on the form itself.

On a post coffee thunk - we are within the skin for a higher cause of form to share experience, perhaps. Again it probably depends on the form.


Perhaps when we speak of we there's only 3 types though instead of 2 or 8 - those serving the all, themselves, or both.
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Interesting question. May need rephrasing from post coffee day hangover :)

Perhaps there is more than 2 possible answers. First you have the obvious within and without as stated. Could also be the skin of the form itself or any combination of the 3 or none of the above leaving 8 possible answers.

Perhaps it depends also on the form itself.

On a post coffee thunk - we are within the skin for a higher cause of form to share experience, perhaps. Again it probably depends on the form.


Perhaps when we speak of we there's only 3 types though instead of 2 or 8 - those serving the all, themselves, or both.
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There is unremitting service to one, solely the fiction of ambivalence to flesh it out causing two.

Universal truths combine the fiction of time into a coherent tome.

And thus it is back to the purpose of ritual.
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The manifold structural difference of the torroid to the sphere is the aspect of time/space being obscured by the characteristic of shape function.

It functions differently in the aspect character of the function of In and out. Outside the spheroid the horizon is hidden relatively to the aspect of height. Meaning, the higher, the more or greater the field of vision; to the limitations of sight and the apparent fall off point of horizon the sphere is given to.

The circle requires 4 vantage points to acquire the totality of its surface. The spheroid 8.

However, within the spheroid or 2d circle. The whole aspect of said surface is apparent to a central location .

The torrus further hides the functions of timespace as it acts as a circulating delimiter in both the aspects of in and out. The 4 vantage points are circulated and enforced by a structure of form/object function.
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lol, here's a good one

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