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Scientists offer quantum theory of soul's existence

 
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One question this leads to for me is;

How can someone have an NDE without being declared braindead? If the soul resides in the brain?
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Because it's not an all or nothing process...the grip is loosened but not severed, until brain death.
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So theoretically you believe you could still be alive, but without your soul?

The grip gets loosened and the soul "escapes" but then the body survives as is....
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No, well that's really a different topic, but I believe the soul wonders around when we are unconscious while maintaining contact, via walkie talkie ;) with the mind...
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One question this leads to for me is;

How can someone have an NDE without being declared braindead? If the soul resides in the brain?
 Quoting: *Evan*


Because it's not an all or nothing process...the grip is loosened but not severed, until brain death.
 Quoting: BRIEF


So theoretically you believe you could still be alive, but without your soul?

The grip gets loosened and the soul "escapes" but then the body survives as is....
 Quoting: *Evan*


No, well that's really a different topic, but I believe the soul wonders around when we are unconscious while maintaining contact, via walkie talkie ;) with the mind...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Either way it's fascinating to ponder.
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Not according to this article!

[link to www.sodahead.com]
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I will entertain the idea of the soul occupying every piece of DNA in a person and if a part is removed or replaced the remaining majority take over or replace what was lost...but the brain is the command center of it all...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I know it's a hard theory to grasp, but it's becoming more of a reality, did you read the whole article? This exp[lains a lot of things!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Yeah, atheists should read that...how can you dispute intelligent design with information like that?
 Quoting: BRIEF


I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above! Which made me rethink everything I thought before that!
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I will entertain the idea of the soul occupying every piece of DNA in a person and if a part is removed or replaced the remaining majority take over or replace what was lost...but the brain is the command center of it all...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I know it's a hard theory to grasp, but it's becoming more of a reality, did you read the whole article? This exp[lains a lot of things!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Yeah, atheists should read that...how can you dispute intelligent design with information like that?
 Quoting: BRIEF


I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Are you still an Atheist to this day?
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I will entertain the idea of the soul occupying every piece of DNA in a person and if a part is removed or replaced the remaining majority take over or replace what was lost...but the brain is the command center of it all...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I know it's a hard theory to grasp, but it's becoming more of a reality, did you read the whole article? This exp[lains a lot of things!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Yeah, atheists should read that...how can you dispute intelligent design with information like that?
 Quoting: BRIEF


I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above! Which made me rethink everything I thought before that!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


So you still think this is all some big cosmic accident?
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I know it's a hard theory to grasp, but it's becoming more of a reality, did you read the whole article? This exp[lains a lot of things!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Yeah, atheists should read that...how can you dispute intelligent design with information like that?
 Quoting: BRIEF


I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Are you still an Atheist to this day?
 Quoting: *Evan*


Yes I am still atheist, I'm a lot more spiritual now and had to rethink everything!
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No one has a clue. What about Alzheimer's or retarded people? The study seems to suggest the brain has to be healthy at death to become soul. Do retarded people have souls? What could they possibly become?
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I know it's a hard theory to grasp, but it's becoming more of a reality, did you read the whole article? This exp[lains a lot of things!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Yeah, atheists should read that...how can you dispute intelligent design with information like that?
 Quoting: BRIEF


I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above! Which made me rethink everything I thought before that!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


So you still think this is all some big cosmic accident?
 Quoting: BRIEF


No, it's a repeating cycle like everything you know about life so far! We are reincarnated again and again and have been for who knows how long!
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Yeah, atheists should read that...how can you dispute intelligent design with information like that?
 Quoting: BRIEF


I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Are you still an Atheist to this day?
 Quoting: *Evan*


Yes I am still atheist, I'm a lot more spiritual now and had to rethink everything!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


At least you are willing to rethink things. Many are not.

cheers
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No one has a clue. What about Alzheimer's or retarded people? The study seems to suggest the brain has to be healthy at death to become soul. Do retarded people have souls? What could they possibly become?
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They become less in this dimension and more in the next!
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Yeah, atheists should read that...how can you dispute intelligent design with information like that?
 Quoting: BRIEF


I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above! Which made me rethink everything I thought before that!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


So you still think this is all some big cosmic accident?
 Quoting: BRIEF


No, it's a repeating cycle like everything you know about life so far! We are reincarnated again and again and have been for who knows how long!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


If the soul is part of our brains, do we instantly remember our past lives once we die?

If we have past lives that is.
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One question this leads to for me is;

How can someone have an NDE without being declared braindead? If the soul resides in the brain?
 Quoting: *Evan*


the soul is only manifested in the brain, the whole body is what causes the soul to manifest.
 Quoting: Oengus


That too could make sense.
 Quoting: *Evan*


there are other theories that just add to what they are saying in the OP. where it is the interactions of the atoms of the body, through magnetic gravitational fields, that cause the manifestation of the soul.
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I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


Are you still an Atheist to this day?
 Quoting: *Evan*


Yes I am still atheist, I'm a lot more spiritual now and had to rethink everything!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


At least you are willing to rethink things. Many are not.

cheers
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I grew up in a very Christian home and just didn't think the same as my family! They have since come to think more like me except for my dad, who is now dead and knows I was right! tounge
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Yeah, atheists should read that...how can you dispute intelligent design with information like that?
 Quoting: BRIEF


I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above! Which made me rethink everything I thought before that!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


So you still think this is all some big cosmic accident?
 Quoting: BRIEF


No, it's a repeating cycle like everything you know about life so far! We are reincarnated again and again and have been for who knows how long!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


But that shows a belief of an intelligent design...unless you think the universe is insane and keeps repeating the same accidents over and over...
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I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above! Which made me rethink everything I thought before that!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


So you still think this is all some big cosmic accident?
 Quoting: BRIEF


No, it's a repeating cycle like everything you know about life so far! We are reincarnated again and again and have been for who knows how long!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


If the soul is part of our brains, do we instantly remember our past lives once we die?

If we have past lives that is.
 Quoting: *Evan*


You will know everything when you re-enter the "hive" mind or consciousness!
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Scientific proof that Scientists, like politicians/spokespeople, also speak in tongues...

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It's an interesting idea, so I'm not reflexively saying it's not possible. I don't have time to read the whole thing, so can someone explain why these nanotubules are only in the brain and nowhere else?
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I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above! Which made me rethink everything I thought before that!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


So you still think this is all some big cosmic accident?
 Quoting: BRIEF


No, it's a repeating cycle like everything you know about life so far! We are reincarnated again and again and have been for who knows how long!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


But that shows a belief of an intelligent design...unless you think the universe is insane and keeps repeating the same accidents over and over...
 Quoting: BRIEF


chuckle
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I am atheist, strangely enough in 2000 I had an out of body experience while tripping on mushrooms, which somebody posted an article about above! Which made me rethink everything I thought before that!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


So you still think this is all some big cosmic accident?
 Quoting: BRIEF


No, it's a repeating cycle like everything you know about life so far! We are reincarnated again and again and have been for who knows how long!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


But that shows a belief of an intelligent design...unless you think the universe is insane and keeps repeating the same accidents over and over...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Well intelligent design would fit with this theory, we are essentially living in the "Matrix"!

[link to www.huffingtonpost.co.uk]
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So you still think this is all some big cosmic accident?
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No, it's a repeating cycle like everything you know about life so far! We are reincarnated again and again and have been for who knows how long!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


But that shows a belief of an intelligent design...unless you think the universe is insane and keeps repeating the same accidents over and over...
 Quoting: BRIEF


well intelligent design would fit with this theory, we are essentially living in the "Matrix"!

[link to www.huffingtonpost.co.uk]
 Quoting: 1nf1del


If the word "God" is unsettling for you then call it whatever you like...but you don't demonstrate the characteristics of an atheist...




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My personal belief is the brain is a machine that interrupts or interacts with our soul. The soul lives nearby or within. Could explain why on average your body will replace every cell every 7 years and you don't lose memory or self.
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This doesn't explain anything. You don't loose tattoos after 7 years while all cells are new.
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My personal belief is the brain is a machine that interrupts or interacts with our soul. The soul lives nearby or within. Could explain why on average your body will replace every cell every 7 years and you don't lose memory or self.
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


This doesn't explain anything. You don't loose tattoos after 7 years while all cells are new.
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LOL, that's funny...but the ink is still there, the damaged tissue (scar) cannot be repaired...

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Assertions, uncertainty, hypothesis do not qualify as to quantum operations nor aural potential, regardless of how it appears.

The soul is the silver cord, the ethric fire, the radiance of life energy from our sacred heart and its potential is immortal and as a result, indefinable.
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No, it's a repeating cycle like everything you know about life so far! We are reincarnated again and again and have been for who knows how long!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


But that shows a belief of an intelligent design...unless you think the universe is insane and keeps repeating the same accidents over and over...
 Quoting: BRIEF


well intelligent design would fit with this theory, we are essentially living in the "Matrix"!

[link to www.huffingtonpost.co.uk]
 Quoting: 1nf1del


If the word "God" is unsettling for you then call it whatever you like...but you don't demonstrate the characteristics of an atheist...




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 Quoting: BRIEF


Why don't we call him what religious people already call him, Jesus Christ, while we can agree that somebody named Jesus Christ did live, if we all have the same knowledge already like Nostradamus or Edgar Cayce, we wrote the same predictions they did but people 2000 years ago thought a lot differently and spectacular things we didn't understand were exaggerated, I mean now when you see a tsunami on TV you've seen that before, but imagine seeing something like that for the first time right before your eyes and trying to write your thoughts out into words, they had to embellish so readers would get the same sense of awe, a practice still done today!
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Assertions, uncertainty, hypothesis do not qualify as to quantum operations nor aural potential, regardless of how it appears.

The soul is the silver cord, the ethric fire, the radiance of life energy from our sacred heart and its potential is immortal and as a result, indefinable.
 Quoting: fortytwo


God smiles when we seek to discover his complex and brilliant creation...so long as we don't alter or pervert it...learning is seeking closeness to God, and it's a form of praise and worship...
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My personal belief is the brain is a machine that interrupts or interacts with our soul. The soul lives nearby or within. Could explain why on average your body will replace every cell every 7 years and you don't lose memory or self.
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


This doesn't explain anything. You don't loose tattoos after 7 years while all cells are new.
 Quoting: Sar315


LOL, that's funny...but the ink is still there, the damaged tissue (scar) cannot be repaired...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Hence Cirrhosis of the liver.
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A PAIR of world-renowned quantum scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul.

American Dr Stuart Hameroff and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose developed a quantum theory of consciousness asserting that our souls are contained inside structures called microtubules which live within our brain cells.

Their idea stems from the notion of the brain as a biological computer, "with 100 billion neurons and their axonal firings and synaptic connections acting as information networks".

They argue that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects inside these microtubules - a process they call orchestrated objective reduction (Orch-OR).

In a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Or in layman's terms, the soul does not die but returns to the universe.

Read more: [link to www.news.com.au]
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This has been answered for thousands of years. They will find that there is more than one way that our soul is contained within our biological structures given time. This is only the beginning of a new age which we just start to grasp the concepts which have been here for ages.

The brain only holds the consciousness of perceptual being for the spirit, other parts hold different processes for the spirit.
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VERY cool. Thanks for this information OP :D





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