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Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,

 
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Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,
A few things first:

1. We know Grocery Stores are stocked for 3 days in most places

2. Every major Rail Line in New Jersey has major Damage as per Governer Christie's Initial Press Conference. As well, he is emphasizing water conservation

3. The Ports in NYC have severe Damage

4. PSE&G as well as Jersey Central say power restored from another week to ten days

5. It took about 36 hours for people in Hoboken to start panicking when 20,000 were stranded without proper emergency supplies

So could the great community of GLP please gather any information on:

1. Rail Line distruptions and damage, timelines to restoration
2. Port of Elizabeth, Philly and NYC Port Disruptions and damage
3. Same for Baltimore

We are seeing long gas lines obviously as well as people waiting extensive periods of time simply to eat at McDonalds.

Lets get the information and help some people out here. These ports and rail lines have all been effected and ultimately supplies a large portion of the country.

This is what GLP is good at.

Thanks.
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ain't happening to us so who gives a fuck? bad reality tv. apathy is our love
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[link to abcnews.go.com]
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Great question OP

Is the food and emergency supplies that were collected actually getting to those who need it?
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ain't happening to us so who gives a fuck? bad reality tv. apathy is our love
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who cares governement ?
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New Jersey Gas Lines Stretch For Miles And Miles [PHOTOS]

Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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Re: Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,
USA Today Article about Ports remaining closed as of Yesterday Oct. 31.

[link to www.usatoday.com]
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Re: Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,
Great question OP

Is the food and emergency supplies that were collected actually getting to those who need it?
 Quoting: Real list


I am not necessarily looking at that aspect as that comes second. Really the concern is, can the supplies actually get to the area.

The reality is that the area is the largest population concentration in the US, and to keep the millions there supplied, is difficult as it is.

Also, knowing the mentality in the area, they are all used to having everything the need, all the time, no questions asked.

That has changed. Hoboken has proved it too. 36 hours to freak out.
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Re: Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,
I agree OP, this situation is volatile and ready to ignite. You are very correct in saying that is difficult to supply this part of the US anyhow, but it hasn't seemed so because it is routine. Everyday insane shipments in and insane amounts of people processing shit. Then insane amounts of trash and literal shit being dealt with.

Disruptions are not welcome in this system.
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New York Harbor Oil Disruptions

Busiest Oil port in the USA is still closed as of today.

Reuuuters India has the article but can't put the link in here I guess.

Cliff Notes:

1. 80 Vessles still sitting off Port
2. No estimates of being reopened
3. The largest Pipeline in the area is apparently still closed as well.
4. Apparently the debris in the harbor is causing some ships props to fail, with many ships floating in disrepair
5. New York Harbor stores 75 million barrels of oil
6. Recieves 900,000 barrels per day as of August 2012
7. Ships are only allowed into the harbor area with permission from the Port Captain's approval...called "Condition Yankee"
8. One barge is beached on Staten Island
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ain't happening to us so who gives a fuck? bad reality tv. apathy is our love
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Imagine how very, VERY differently this would be reported right now, were a REPUBLICAN in the White House.
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ain't happening to us so who gives a fuck? bad reality tv. apathy is our love
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you AC are not allowed to use the word "US".
only "I"
as in I am a jerk.

the word "US"
in this context "US" is allowed for people like us and my fellow folks in the east coast.


remember the next time it could be you....

maybe you should just save your crying tears for then when it is you in trouble and no one cares!
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Re: Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,
in brooklyn even where there was little if any damage....no milk....water....and as of WED. no more gas at the stations.

but we do have fresh bagels today!!!
and the subway is kinda running again!!!! still no school for the kids.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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ain't happening to us so who gives a fuck? bad reality tv. apathy is our love
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26778645


Imagine how very, VERY differently this would be reported right now, were a REPUBLICAN in the White House.
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


Though this may be true what is concerning is that starting from the inlet, which starts at the Verrazano Bridge, on up both sides of the Hudson River and both sides of the East River are mostly all docks. The shores of Brooklyn, West Shores of Staten Island...Just have a look at Google Maps.

Then you have large canals that weave around the marshes on the Jersey side which lead into Port Elizabeth and slightly further inland.

Anyone who has landed at Newark Airport, sees this total dump, especially landing from the South. This dump that everyone laughs at moves an insane amount of goods on a daily basis that effects the whole country. There are container mountains at Port Elizabeth that are stacked 30-40 containers high or more almost like Pyramids.

I did see a picture of Liberty State Park Train Terminal, which was the starting point of millions of Immigrants after Ellis Island...totally destroyed. If you look on a map of that surrounding area, to the south, west and north you will get the magnitude of the situation.

Anyhow, will keep searching for reports of damage and delays.
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in brooklyn even where there was little if any damage....no milk....water....and as of WED. no more gas at the stations.

but we do have fresh bagels today!!!
and the subway is kinda running again!!!! still no school for the kids.
 Quoting: psyoptics


I miss NY Bagels and Deli's too...Can't find a good sub anywhere else man.

Hang in there and be smart.
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Re: Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,
From time to time I listen to radio after midnight - 700WLW-clear channel - Trucker Radio, as an alternative to Coast to Coast..
Last few nights truckers are speaking of not being able to deliver their cargo into the affected areas of NY, NJ, etc.
It's a cascading problem. Truckers can't deliver, are stuck in truck stops with a full payload and they can't pick up another payload and continue on. Gridlock in the trucking industry.
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Honestly I think they should be declaring a holiday for everyone whose job doesn't immediately help "reboot" the city. Gas used up and traffic jams caused by people getting to work, 90% of which could be put off a week without hurting the recovery work.
Save the fuel and space for critical work, food delivery, fuel, and workmen.
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Honestly I think they should be declaring a holiday for everyone whose job doesn't immediately help "reboot" the city. Gas used up and traffic jams caused by people getting to work, 90% of which could be put off a week without hurting the recovery work.
Save the fuel and space for critical work, food delivery, fuel, and workmen.
 Quoting: Fred 26677941


Great point. This goes to show how effective the so-called think tanks really are, that they couldn't conceive this simple idea.
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Ok here is the big one.

Straight from the source. Port Authority of NY and NJ.

Ports


November 1, 2012
8:00 a.m.
All of the Port Authority's marine facilities will remain closed until further notice. This includes Marine Container Terminals: Port Newark Container Terminals, APM Terminals, Maher Terminals, Global Terminals, New York Container Terminals, Red Hook Container Terminals, and the Port Authority Marine Terminal.


For real-time port status information, operation changes, service disruptions, terminal closures, and traffic conditions, subscribe to PortNYNJAlerts: [link to paalerts.com]

Please contact your terminal or check their website for up-to-date details on closures and/or changes in hours of operation.


[link to www.panynj.gov]
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Honestly I think they should be declaring a holiday for everyone whose job doesn't immediately help "reboot" the city. Gas used up and traffic jams caused by people getting to work, 90% of which could be put off a week without hurting the recovery work.
Save the fuel and space for critical work, food delivery, fuel, and workmen.
 Quoting: Fred 26677941


Great point. This goes to show how effective the so-called think tanks really are, that they couldn't conceive this simple idea.
 Quoting: Real list


It definitely seems that they are trying to start the engine way too early on this one.

OK Fox News, like it or not is now reporting that NY Harbor is closed until further notice as well.
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Honestly I think they should be declaring a holiday for everyone whose job doesn't immediately help "reboot" the city. Gas used up and traffic jams caused by people getting to work, 90% of which could be put off a week without hurting the recovery work.
Save the fuel and space for critical work, food delivery, fuel, and workmen.
 Quoting: Fred 26677941


excellent suggestion.
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Seriously Im not in any of those states but there out of coke at my store in VA.
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Seriously Im not in any of those states but there out of coke at my store in VA.
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That is good information though. Sorry I did not include VA and Maryland and everyone...All still valid of course.

Norfolk, VA is also a major Port and sounded like it may have been effected too.

All of these ports mentioned:

1. NY HArbor and Area
2. Baltimore
3. VA
4. Philly

effect every East Coast City and beyond

Keep the info coming...
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Seriously Im not in any of those states but there out of coke at my store in VA.
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I'm guessing the cascading effect I spoke about above.
Trucks full of goods are sitting on loads that should have been delivered days ago. Trucks cannot pick up next load for next delivery. Your Coke is probably sitting on a loading dock somewhere in the midwest.
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Honestly I think they should be declaring a holiday for everyone whose job doesn't immediately help "reboot" the city. Gas used up and traffic jams caused by people getting to work, 90% of which could be put off a week without hurting the recovery work.
Save the fuel and space for critical work, food delivery, fuel, and workmen.
 Quoting: Fred 26677941


Great point. This goes to show how effective the so-called think tanks really are, that they couldn't conceive this simple idea.
 Quoting: Real list


This would put more people in the way of the clean up and perhaps lead to more looting.

From Daily JOurnal in South Jersey...

[link to www.thedailyjournal.com]

However, Campbell criticized “sightseers” at Fortescue and Money Island.

“I wish they would give us a chance to clean up, it would be a big help to all the mayors in all the bayfront communities that had damage,” Campbell said. “We had closed the three beach communities for a day and people just wanted to get in, so we opened up two of them. As soon as we opened them up, we had more tourists here than we had contractors. And they’re in the way. They block equipment. They block contractors. If they could just stay away.”
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Gas in SW Ohio has jumped almost $.50 in the past two days.
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Seriously Im not in any of those states but there out of coke at my store in VA.
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I'm guessing the cascading effect I spoke about above.
Trucks full of goods are sitting on loads that should have been delivered days ago. Trucks cannot pick up next load for next delivery. Your Coke is probably sitting on a loading dock somewhere in the midwest.
 Quoting: zeezee


Yeah the cascading effect will unfold, but hopefully not too bad.

One example would be that the rail lines are torn up and that requires Steel, which is now made mostly in China, which has to come into Port, which is Closed. Of course it could come in through Los Angeles and then train over which takes 1 to 2 weeks.

So who knows how long to make the rails and ship them over. Could be weeks to months, not days.

Not sure if they have emergency rail line stock piles around though.
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Now its really starting...

From

Yahoo News Canada


More than half of all gasoline service stations in the New York City area and New Jersey were shut because of depleted fuel supplies and power outages, frustrating attempts to restore normal life, industry officials said.

Reports of long lines, dark stations and empty tanks circulated across the region. Some station owners were unable to pump fuel due to a lack of power, while others quickly ran their tanks dry because of increased demand and logistical problems in delivering fresh supplies.

The lack of working gasoline stations is likely to compound travel problems in the region, with the New York City subway system down until at least Thursday and overland rail and bus services severely disrupted.

Homeowners and businesses relying on back-up generators during the power cuts, including many Wall Street banks in lower Manhattan, may also run short of fuel.


And the classic New Yorker Response:

Tempers flared as a queue of at least 30 cars spilled down the street, with drivers blaring horns, shouting and getting out of their cars.
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And more from that...

Four of the region's six oil refineries were back to full production or increasing run rates on Wednesday. The second-largest - the Bayway plant in New Jersey - was still idle after flooding damage that traders fear could delay its return to full service. Key import terminals were also shut.

Gasoline inventories in the Mid-Atlantic region were 16 percent below last year's level before the storm, but were enough to cover almost 23 days of total demand.
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CNBC Explains further on the Gas Shortage Issue...

[link to www.cnbc.com]

Still nothing about food supplies and other goods though

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