Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA,

Yes it sounds like tonight is not going to be a good night for people there and certainly it will raise the anziety levels for everyone there.

I was just out and about and took a brake from researching and I think that there are conflicting stories on what has been delivered to port.

One one hand, One terminal in Brooklyn is saying they are at 40% capacity in regards to what they can have delivered.

1. The Port of NY in total does about 900,000 barrels a day under normal circumstances.
2. It was claimed on CNBC by way of the NYC Governement that some how 2,000,000 barrels were delivered to port this morning.

My brain is hurting from all of the research but even with 1/10th of a brain, that just doesn't add up.

One terminal reopens at 40% capacity and only a few small barges are allowed into Port, magically carrying 2,000,000 barrels and full delivery. Which by the way this delivery was done before the order was given to allow these small barges into Port.

Run with that one folks.

The U.S. Coast Guard reopened channels in and out of the Port of New York and New Jersey on Friday for all commercial vessels, with the exception of the Arthur Kill south of the Goethals Bridge, Bay Ridge and Red Hook Channels.

In a bulletin issued late on Friday afternoon, the Coast Guard said it is limiting vessel entry to the port and use of anchorage to vessels with an approved facility berth or orders to bunker or lighter at anchor.

The port’s six container terminals remain closed because of power outages.
[link to www.joc.com]

From the same...

Looks like things are possbibly ok at the ports.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey completed surveys of all berths at port authority facilities in Port Jersey, Port Newark and Elizabeth. It found all berths at these facilities free of obstructions

Surveys are underway at the Red Hook Container Terminal in Brooklyn and the New York Container Terminal on Staten Island.

Norfolk Southern and CSX railroads have resumed operations at the port and are moving trains into and out of the Port Elizabeth ExpressRail terminal.

They'd be held personally responsible.

Per Marine Traffic website, these two tankers entered upper NY harbor yesterday with another eight oil tankers just hanging out offshore Long Island:

Glory Express Ship Type: Oil products tanker
[link to www.marinetraffic.com]

MAERSK MISUMI: Ship Type: Oil products tanker
[link to www.marinetraffic.com]

Great site. Love the Live Map. The one up shore doesnt seem to be anything significant from the picture.

Definitely a bunch still sitting off shore still. Wish I know what the Harbor looks like on this map under normal circumstances.

The Misumi and Glory still waiting to Dock at the moment.

Thanks for the link.

Ok Regardless of the supposed 2 million barrels delivered yesterday and the Military bringing in 12 million Gallons of unleaded...

Odd/Even Rationing in Effect for 12 counties in NJ

[link to newyork.cbslocal.com]

99% of people never prepped,thats because 99% of people are stupid..................

i wonder how they feel now the shops are empty and they cant stuff their ignorant faces ??????

OK...Cleary misinformation or disinformation.

Norfolk Southern current schedule for Port Elizabeth, from their website.


Origin: Elizabeth Marine Terminal, NJ
Gate Hours: M - F 07:00 - 17:00

Destination

Chicago 47th, IL
25V COFC

Cutoff
M 1630

Tu 1630

W 1630

Th 1630

F 1630

-

-



Available

Th 0800

F 0800

Sa 0800

Su 0800

M 0800

-

-
[link to www.nscorp.com]

And CSX Live Rail Map from their site.

I can onloy guess that Orange is not good, but there is nothing in the legend on what it means.

[link to csx.com]

And their schedule as well.



ELIZABETH MARINE TE, NJ to DETROIT, MIInternational ContainerLocation Event Name Train Days of Week
Effective: 07/11/2012
ELIZABETH MARINE TE, NJ

ELIZABETH MARINE TE, NJ Cutoff Q159 Mon
1630 X Wed
1630 X Fri
1630 X X
DETROIT, MI Available Q150 Fri
1100 X Mon
0500 X Tue
1100 X X

I spoke with a relative in North Jersey who went out yesterday to Costco, which appears to be the only company that is really keeping things moving right now.

Shelves were packed full of food, etc., but only 30 people in the store.(Huge Store) Outside at the fuel(Petrol) pumps, 1 mile line. Thankfully she was getting food when others were not and getting gas when others were not.


From what I just found today I think the pot is going to start boiling this weekend and early next week

thats interesting,it cant be that bad if big super stores are jammed full of food

Costco and Walmart are the best in the world at Supply Chain Management. After Katrina, they were really the first responders. It is an amazing contrast of Private Company to Government Agency.

That being said, from the above info I found this morning, there will be disruptions coming with no trains or ships coming into port.

I guess this would be the same if Liverpool(?) closed for 7 days now. Or Bristol. What is the largest port in the UK?

Imagine that shutdown for 7 days. We have a large landmass and can truck things in but over there on the island, it would hurt much quicker I would think.

Also, North Jersey did not get hit that bad, but they still have the Odd/Even rationing going into effect. South Jersey, NYC, Long Island(which is more like UK geographically) are really bad and are feeling the pain a whole lot more than North Jersey

its been 7 days now,i always thought within 3 days the stores would be empty

even the massive super stores should have empty shelves after a week,they must be still recieving stock

Yeah this is what I am trying to figure out because people stocked up before hand so there is a delay. Then the Costco's and Supermarkets resupply with what they geared up for prior to the storm.

The delayed issue is again the rail lines and ports being out. Once the emergency resupply dwindles, then it will become a real problem. So much stuff comes into those ports to supply about 25-40 million people on a "Last Minute Supply Chain" They don't have huge inventories like the used to 20 years ago.

if the ports and rail lines are not working that will cause serious problems,a situation worth keeping an eye on

There must be planty of stores that are running dry by this time,i mean its been over a week since sandy hit..........

Per Marine Traffic website, this two tankers have entered upper NY harbor with another eight oil tankers just hanging out offshore Long Island:

Per Marine Traffic website: there’s now three tankers that have entered the mouth of the NY harbor but not moving inland:
Favola:
[link to www.marinetraffic.com]

Glory Express Ship Type: Oil products tanker
[link to www.marinetraffic.com]

MAERSK MISUMI: Ship Type: Oil products tanker
[link to www.marinetraffic.com]

and one that is going up the Hudson River:
Newton’s Creek
[link to www.marinetraffic.com]

Meanwhile, there’s six oil tankers still offshore south of Brooklyn:
Maersk Misaki
Chemroad Hope
Sira
Overseas Petromar
Sttolt Norland
Piltene

And NO sign of warships.

I’ll go outside and get a visual to confirm…soon as I can pull myself out of bed.

And I'll see if I find my neighbor a mucky-muck in the Coast Guard. He's always got the scoop on harbor activities.

whats stopping them ???


is the harbour damaged ???

Top man...great info. Can't wait to hear what you find

A few things.

1. The canals/waterways are blocked with debris, one has a diesel spill(Between Linden and Staten Island) and also under water the ground may have changed not allowing boats through. Too shallow. If this is the case then they have to drudge which takes a lot of time.

2. The BayWay Refinery claims to have severe damage at their docks. Given their location between Linden, NJ and Staten Island, NY, I find it hard to believe that other docks are not damaged as well

I cannot find any pictures of the docks to confirm one way or the other, but I have seen reports that docks are definitely damaged.

It will help you to look at google or bing maps and just look around the harbor to get a feel for it.

It was considered the safest harbor in the world so no one would have expected this to ever happen.

With the trains, the rails are definitely damaged and you will see from the map, that ALL Frieght Rail comes to these same Ports, almost right up to the water. Look at Bayonne, Linden, Perth Amboy, South Amboy, Port Elizabeth (Which backs up to Newark Airport)

Two of them have been there since at least Thursday afternoon. The third one (Favola) arrived last night. I don't know why they have basically stopped traffic on the harbor.

Tuesday morning, I walked down to the harbor and it REEKED of diesel or petroleum smell. It scared the hell outa me, cause I thought that if anyone lighted up a smoke we would all blow up. The smell was totally overwhelming... I had to leave the area.

Thanks for the info

Top thread OP

Man that is not good. You are in Brooklyn so that would mean at least two spills. Brooklyn and Linden, NJ.

sounds like the place is in chaos


those harbors have to be busy to keep the city ticking over,could result in mayhem if its not sorted quick time.....

Exactly right. This is the quiet creeping doom thread. I am going to keep going with it regardless of if it gets pinned because I was born in the area and know that this could get very bad for friends and family.

And whomever else in the area that sees this thread, maybe it will help them stay ahead of the chaos.

Great thread. 5 stars and i'll watch to keep it bumped. thanks OP.

This must be Mayor Bloomberg’s personal ride, docked by World Trade Center on the Hudson River and short walking distance to city hall. The yacht is named Georgiana and he has a daughter named that. This must be how he’s getting around nowadays…must be nice to have 22 billion dollars:

[link to www.marinetraffic.com]

Thanks ZeeZee. I just want to get the facts down here and monitor the situation.

Still hoping for photos of the docks at some point as that will give us a better idea of the extent of the damage.