Supply Chain Disruptions from Sandy-PLEASE REPORT- NY, NJ, CT, PA, | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21516990 United States 11/03/2012 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don’t trust anything the politicians and utilities companies are saying…I think they’re just making press statements to keep everyone calm. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Associated Press is now reporting that Governor Cuomo stated “8 million gallons of gas delivered in NY with another 28 million gallons on the way…to NYC and Long Island for emergency vehicles and the public”. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21516990 I really don’t trust anything the politicians and utilities companies are saying…I think they’re just making press statements to keep everyone calm. I agree with you on this and I believe I provided information on Page 4 that shows that these reports are wrong |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Associated Press is now reporting that Governor Cuomo stated “8 million gallons of gas delivered in NY with another 28 million gallons on the way…to NYC and Long Island for emergency vehicles and the public”. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21516990 I really don’t trust anything the politicians and utilities companies are saying…I think they’re just making press statements to keep everyone calm. I agree with you on this and I believe I provided information on Page 4 that shows that these reports are wrong At the same time, the boats are in the area, but they are not docking, therefore no delivery |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to indyfrt.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24547360 This site is providing daily updates of ship info. It appears some ships supposed to go into New York are being diverted to Boston, Philly, Norfolk, Charleston and elsewhere. Great link. Thanks. Whatever they are carrying will still not be able to get to the origional destination by Train. It will take a lot of trucks. Doing rough math for the 12m gallons that the Military is bringing in... I think each underground tank at a Gas station is about 8000 gallons x 3 for regular, plus and premium = 24,000 gallons. From Ask.com below Large Tankers Semi-trailer is the tanker configuration with the largest load-carrying capacity, up to 9,100 gallons (34,447 liters). The other trailer configurations, being somewhat heavier, can carry less and have capacities up to 8,900 gallons (33,690 liters). Read more: What Is the Capacity of a Tanker Truck? | eHow.com [link to www.ehow.com] So 12,000,000gal/9100 or 8900gal per truck = 1318-1348 LARGE Tanker Trucks to get that fuel into the area. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More verification of the Docks and Terminals not being open. [link to newyork.cbslocal.com] Fears of a jet fuel shortage at New York’s airports have led some airlines to take the unusual — and costly — step of putting extra fuel on planes. The worries have emerged following Superstorm Sandy, which has disrupted the flow of fuel and electricity throughout the Northeast. US Airways, United Airlines, American Airlines and Southwest Airlines are among the carriers loading more fuel on New York-bound flights. This ensures they have enough fuel to leave the New York region. They claims of fuel deliveries are only going to hold up for so long. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.marinetraffic.com] Cargo Ship and a Big one. Will be interesting to see if more head that way. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oil Tanker Ship capacities... From Ask.com Panamax These crude oil tankers weigh up to 70,000 dead weight tons, with a capacity of 500,000 barrels of oil. This is the largest size vessel that can travel through the Panama Canal. Aframax These tankers weigh from 70,000 to 120,000 dead weight tons, with a capacity of 750,000 barrels of oil. These tankers are the largest tankers in the Average Freight Rate Assessment (AFRA) tanker rate system. Suezmax These vessels weigh from 120,000 to 200,000 dead weight tons, with a capacity of 1 million barrels of oil. This is the largest size tanker that can travel through the Suez Canal. Very Large Crude Carrier These carriers, also called VLCC, weigh from 200,000 to 325,000 dead weight tons. They have a capacity of approximately 2 million barrels of oil. These carriers are used mostly in the Mediterranean, North Sea and near West Africa. Ultra Large Crude Carrier These carriers, also called ULCC, weigh from 325,000 to 550,000 dead weight tons. They have a capacity of up to 4 million barrels of oil. These tankers are used in routes from the Arabian Gulf to Europe and America to Asia. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK so... The Misumi has a Dead weight of 47,186 tons. That's 67% of the Panamax at 70,000 tons minimum and 500,000 barrels. 500,000 barrels x 40 gal per barrel is 20,000,000 gallons. 67% of 20,000,000 gallons is 13,400,000 gals on board top estimate as we cannot see the actual capacity. The Misaki is close to the same. The Glory Express is also close to the same. So 40,200,000gals sitting in the Harbor waiting to dock but we know that a good portion of these shipments are for Boston, CT and NY unless Futures Contracts have been changed to allow all to the NY/NJ Area. ALL Estimates |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1018367 Canada 11/03/2012 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Noticed this interesting tidbit in the Forbes Port story (bold added): Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2164937 " In many instances loaded tankers carrying the oil that is so critical to our national security, pass in and out of the harbor with only 2 feet of clearance between the hull of the tankers and the bedrock at the bottom of the harbor. Ship captains rely on the skill and judgment of harbor pilots to ensure the safe navigation of the vessel so that the cargo can be safely transferred to shore side facilities." [link to www.forbes.com] With all the junk--cars, trees, parts of houses etc-- that swept into the harbor with the storm surge and flooding, that 2 feet of clearance may be gone in some places. If one of those tankers rips open its underbelly, there will be an oil spill. Corexit9500 doom will occur if that happens |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All of the Ships in Harbor and Out near Sandy Hook are about 50-67% the size of a minimum Panamax Tanker. 9 total tankers. 9 x 13,400,000(average for simple estimate) = 120,600,000gals waiting in Harbor. So call it 100,000,000gal waiting for delivery if they are full. [link to www.statemaster.com] Converted into yearly gallons and then gallons per day.(365 day year) NY STATE: 5,616,366,000/year 15,387,304/Day New Jersey: 3,954,090,000/year 10,833,123/Day CT: 1,488,312,000/year 4,077,567/day TOTAL for Tri-State including non effected areas: 30,297,994gal/day normal usage So roughly three days worth sitting off shore under normal usage for ALL of New York State, New Jersey and CT. There are lines that come into western NY State from PA/Gulf and around Buffalo, NY so factor that out. Plus, not all on board these Tanker Ships is refined Gasoline and refineries are still down. Math = Problem |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Coloniel Pipeline is apparently reopened as of yesterday. It expects to deliver 700,000 bpd, which is about normal for the destination, spokesman Steve Baker said. Earlier, Colonial said it restarted deliveries to Buckeye's Linden terminal and by later Friday it expects to restart two more delivery lines to other terminals, with another by the end of the day and two more over the weekend. With the restart of these lines, about one-quarter of the shipper terminals served by Colonial from the Linden Tank Farm will be supplied. [link to news.yahoo.com] And The Truck Rack at the Linden Storage Facility is also supposedly opened as of yesterday. NuStar Energy L.P. : NuStar : Linden, N.J., Petroleum Products Truck Racks to Open Friday 11/01/2012| 08:06pm US/Eastern NuStar Energy LP (NS) said Thursday the truck-rack facility at its petroleum-products terminal in Linden, N.J., will be back in service by noon Friday. "We hope to have all eight bays operating as soon as full power is restored," Mr. Matula said. The rest of NuStar's 4.5-million-barrel capacity storage-and-distribution terminal in Linden remains shuttered until commercial power can be restored and damage assessments completed. [link to www.4-traders.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cuomo Update. Not sure how much is accurate. It reads as if everything is coming back on line though. Long Island Inwood - Global Terminal (gasoline and distillates): The facility is open and can accept barge and pipeline deliveries. It opened last night with approximately 1.7 million gallons unleaded; 350,000 gallons premium; 700,000 gallons of ULS diesel on site. Inwood - CARBO (gasoline and distillates): The facility is open and can accept barge deliveries. Northville Terminal at Port Jefferson (gasoline and distillates): Northville opened yesterday with 2.4 million gallons of diesel on site. A barge arrived at midnight this morning with 1 million gallons of gasoline. A barge from Hess Port Reading is expected to arrive today with 1 million gallons gasoline. Other scheduled deliveries include: • November 4: 1.5 million gallons gasoline • November 5: 1.5 million gallons gasoline • November 6: 4 million gallons of gasoline and 5.3 million gallons of diesel Glenwood Landing, Long Island (gasoline and distillates): Facility is open and can accept barge deliveries. New York City BP - Brooklyn (gasoline and distillates): Facility is open, and can accept barge and pipeline deliveries. <>Hess Brooklyn Terminal (distillates): Facility is open and can accept barge and pipeline deliveries. Hess Bronx Terminal (distillates): Facility is open and can accept barge deliveries. Bayside - Shore Parkway (distillates): Facility is open and can accept barge deliveries. Bayside - Smith Street (distillates): Facility is open and can accept barge deliveries. Bayside - 12th Street (distillates): Facility is open and can accept barge deliveries. Castle Oil, Bronx (distillates): The facility is open, and a barge carrying 2.5 million gallons is expected to arrive on Sunday or Monday. [link to www.4-traders.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gov. Cuomo says the Department of Defense will set up emergency mobile fuel stations at five locations around the New York City metro area. Free gasoline will be distributed, with a 10-gallon per-person limit, Cuomo announced at a briefing today. Cars and emergency service vehicles will be able to fill up directly from the 5,000-gallon trucks. The government said later Saturday that the public should stay away from the free fuel stations until emergency responders get their gas. [link to www.nypost.com] Guess we will see how it works in reality. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A little more Intel on Bayway Refinery in Linden, NJ. From an Oct 31st article The flooding at Bayway, seen by experts as the refinery most vulnerable to Sandy's record 13-foot (4-meter) storm surge and subsequent power outages, is a potential second nightmare for Phillips 66, which took three weeks to restart its Alliance, Louisiana, refinery after Hurricane Isaac pushed more than 2 feet of floodwater into the plant in August. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now onto water... FEMA is so impressive... FEMA failed to have any meaningful supplies of bottled water -- or any other supplies, for that matter -- stored in nearby facilities as it had proclaimed it would on its website. This was the case despite several days advance warning of the impending storm. FEMA only began to solicit bids for vendors to provide bottled water for distribution to Hurricane Sandy victims on Friday, sending out a solicitation request for 2.3 million [link to www.breitbart.com] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is amazing is that after the India Tsunami, we sent two aircraft carriers almost immediately. Large Landing pad with room for supplies plus tens of thousands of gallons of water could be produced. FEMA was not involved with that. Interestingly, the military is carting in millions of gallons of fuel and now appears to be flying in generators and other things with C5A's and AC130's as well. So why do we need FEMA?? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Green are Cargo/Container ships Still no movement... [link to www.marinetraffic.com] CSX Schedule [link to shipcsx.com] Norfolk Southern [link to www.nscorp.com] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CNBC Picks up on Possible Food Shortage Grocery stores were scrambling to keep shelves stocked four days after Super Storm Sandy hit the east coast, but their efforts were hampered by power outages, storm damage and a lack of fuel for trucks. "The biggest issue with the suppliers has been the gas situation. As soon as they can get fuel, they're getting us product, and we're ready to stock the shelves as soon as possible," said Rich Durante, EVP of Merchandising and Operations at Kings Market. However larger retail food chains and restaurants are just one part of the story. Smaller groceries and restaurants are concerned about supplies. These mom and pops say their distributors are waiting in lengthy gas lines and dealing with major traffic restrictions as they try to run their operations. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13263762 United States 11/03/2012 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saw a Nyorker on facebook whose power went back on and was selling his extra generator gas for 30$ a gallon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26934958 United States 11/03/2012 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A short while ago, I spoke with a very close friend who really does work for FEMA. Sounds like FEMA is very disorganized and still moving people around into position for various “missions”. He keeps being moved from city to city and has to find his own gas. He sounded very stressed out and even freaked out. Said NJ looks like post-Katrina in NOLA. Am so glad that I don’t need their help, that would put me in a world of hurting. We stopped by a shelter and dropped off cans of coffee, batteries and bags of popcorn for the kids. There’s a lot of children in the shelters. Will go back in the morning to drop off more provisions. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saw a Nyorker on facebook whose power went back on and was selling his extra generator gas for 30$ a gallon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13263762 Gas demand is really insane. People flocking from NYC, NJ and Long Island to NJ/PA border in Easton PA to get gas for generators at one of the few operational gas stations in Easton area (power still out in much of Lehigh Valley). Quoting: kinghaas Maybe he keeps $3 after tax if he reports it! It looks like one container ship is lining up for Port Elizabeth right now and is turning into the Docks. A small Hazard B Tanker is moving in and another Container Ship is also on the move. Hopefully this will continue. Rails are still cutoff though. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Others are catching on now great job folks.. Thread: The Aftermath Of Hurricane Sandy Will Affect All Americans.... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 17033550 United States 11/03/2012 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok My Final Update for the Night... Coloniel Pipeline: Apparently Open adding 15% of the normal supply. Uncertain of ability to offload onto trucks. Cargo Ships: 1 Container ships have moved into Port Elizabeth. Interestingly, it appears not to be lined up with the Cranes if you switch to Satelite View. 1 More is on the way to Port Elizabeth as well. Oil Tanker Ships: Though there are 4 in the Harbor, All are anchored and not heading to the docks. Trains: CSX and Norfolk Southern are Still showing that they are cutoff from NJ Terminals/Port Elizabeth. [link to www.marinetraffic.com] [link to shipcsx.com] [link to www.nscorp.com] Even if the container ships dock up at Port Elizabeth, nothing is going on those trains yet. As well, nothing is leaving on those Boats...from the trains yet. They have diverted multiple ships to Boston, VA and other areas. BayWay Refinery is still down and may have been damaged enough to keep it closed for 4-6 weeks. Now for a few Guinness. Hang in there everyone in NYC/NJ. |
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