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A question? Preppers in the Sandy area. What worked and what didn't?

 
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People would get fuel much faster if they rigged fuel trucks to gravity feed directly into cars. You don't need electricity or pumps. Thats how it's done on the farm.
 Quoting: doombrt 26699716


Be careful of static charge...
One static spark can ignite the gas and poof....

Best to use gravity feed into a gas tank that is on the ground. I have seen video of a person filling a 5 gallon gas tank on their truck tailgate that exploded due to static build up.
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my experience is that gas with ethanol turns to crap, even with Stabil in it, and will gum up your carb if there is any in there...

Anyone have info on this?
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That is true, ethanol and carbs don't mix well. I think they sell a product that takes ethanol out of gas. Otherwise, try to buy ethanol free gas.
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my experience is that gas with ethanol turns to crap, even with Stabil in it, and will gum up your carb if there is any in there...

Anyone have info on this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 519793


I shut off the gas valve and let the carb run dry when it's stored . Had 11 month old stabilized E-10 gas in the tank. No Problems, even running 6 month old non-stabilized gas. After a year I feed it to the vehicles.

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I bet all your guns and ammo did not help you much indeed !!

whatever
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It's BECAUSE we have so many guns and so much ammo that our fascist govt doesn't try more shit in the first place, jackass.
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I would be most worried about the criminal element in the cities, and have adequate firearms at hand. Shotgun preferred.
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Do not forget the lowly slingshot and glass marbles, as they are silent but effective.
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A Wrist Rocket works great, especially if you upgrade with the heavy-duty bands.
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Nine for Labor Unions sucking us dry,
One for the Liar Chief leaving us cold
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I recommend adding a portable butane camping stove to bug-out gear for cooking & boiling water...even keep you warm for short periods.

their about $30 and cans of butane are cheap to stock up.

you can cook indoors with it too ...as opposed to propane BBQ's or camp stoves.

I use it for making coffee while camping..love it!
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I've not heard of a butane stove before... I'll have to look into it. Thanks!
Three Bribes for the Democrats sneaky and sly,
Seven for the Bankers in their halls of gold,
Nine for Labor Unions sucking us dry,
One for the Liar Chief leaving us cold
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.

One Bill to rule them all, One Bill to find them,
One Bill to bring them all and in the debt-ness bind them
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.
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A question of Preppers In the sandy area what worked and what didn't ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19964681


Worked:
Ample candles,
kerosene lamps/fuel
Water and canned food/rice etc.
BBQ Grill with multiple propane tanks. Use propane tanks for heating (only had 3- not going to be enough). Resorting to rocket stove for cooking and some heat from outside.

tent use at night with Coleman propane for heat in the tent. Good sleeping bags.

Many flash lights and rechargeable batteries.

Solar panels, enough power to charge phone, use lamps when needed. Not enough power for fridge. had to cook all meat.

So far will hold up. Going through water very fast. Had 20 cases in storage...going through 1 case per day.


Not enough gasoline storage. Only 25 gallons stored.
Need a good stock of firewood

No looters..locked and loaded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21016130


When the led flashlights first came out (and they were still ridiculously expensive) I bought one. The claim made was that a set of fresh batteries would last for 30 days, 24/7. When I got it, I decided to test that. Got a set of fresh batteries, turned it on, and left it sitting lens-down on a bookshelf.

I didn't test it to the full 30 days, just 4 weeks (28 days). At that point, the light was very dim, but I found I could use it to walk through a dark room and not trip over anything.

Overall, I was quite impressed. Since then, as they've become vastly less expensive, I've added several in various sizes to my preps.

Also, I found that those little solar-powered garden path lights (which can even be found for just $1 each at dollar stores) do a very nice job for light when the power is off. Expose them to sunlight during the day, use them for light indoors at night. No fire hazard like candles, don't run out / wear out. They have their downsides, of course... such as can't use them for heat or to cook over... but they make a nice, cheap way to supplement and extend your stock of candles.
Three Bribes for the Democrats sneaky and sly,
Seven for the Bankers in their halls of gold,
Nine for Labor Unions sucking us dry,
One for the Liar Chief leaving us cold
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.

One Bill to rule them all, One Bill to find them,
One Bill to bring them all and in the debt-ness bind them
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.
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Powdered milk. Light weight bags. Sold in grocery stores. Milk doesn't spoil in powered form. Reconstitute with bottled water.

Good will stores are great for prepping and it's cheaper. Candles, candle holders, oil lamp, battery radio. Best thing I found is a new glass coffee percolator pot you can use on gas burner! I have to have coffee in the morning.
 Quoting: abeliever

Wal-Mart. Hispanic food section. Canned whole milk powder (much better than nonfat powdered milk). Brand name "Nido", from Nestle. Cost approx. $14 for a 3.5 lb can. Cost is about the same or slightly cheaper than the nonfat dry milk. Cans are also much sturdier and less prone to environment damage (water, rodents, etc.) than cardboard boxes and/or paper envelopes of the nonfat dry milk.

[link to www.walmart.com]
Three Bribes for the Democrats sneaky and sly,
Seven for the Bankers in their halls of gold,
Nine for Labor Unions sucking us dry,
One for the Liar Chief leaving us cold
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.

One Bill to rule them all, One Bill to find them,
One Bill to bring them all and in the debt-ness bind them
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.
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Re: A question? Preppers in the Sandy area. What worked and what didn't?
You can cook indoors with any "camp cooker" if you are careful: Petrol, Coleman fuel, kerosene, alcohol, butane, propane . Petrol is most dangerous for "fuel fire" so take extra care and have a fire extinguisher handy.. good idea for all flame stoves. You should KNOW what you are doing. Few things are idiot proof. A leaking fuel stove is NOT GOOD.

None are safe without some ventilation. In old leaky houses .. this was not an issue. In modern houses it is. The fuel requires oxygen to burn.. and puts out carbon dioxide and some monoxide. Open a window slightly.

I have heard of people killing themselves with butane cookers using them to heat in a sealed up vehicle.

I regard kerosene as a safer fuel for cooking , heating and lighting. But it smells.. and is harder to get these days. You can safely store large quantities of kerosene.. it lasts for years.

Butane cookers and lamps are very convenient. Quick to light and control. Butane for short term and convenience, Kerosene for longer term. Petrol is commonly available.. so the "duel fuel" Coleman camp cookers are good to have as a backup. Use outside if you are unsure of safety.
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Re: A question? Preppers in the Sandy area. What worked and what didn't?
Ok just got home from work, found 7 pages of replies. Great. We have learned that water is most prep's to have, generators are good but require fuel. We have learned that kerosene lanterns are best. store water, conserv fulle.
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I bet all your guns and ammo did not help you much indeed !!

whatever
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It's BECAUSE we have so many guns and so much ammo that our fascist govt doesn't try more shit in the first place, jackass.
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They could send a drone over your house and you would never knew what hit you, and whoopsy it would take your neighbors out too..
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Re: A question? Preppers in the Sandy area. What worked and what didn't?
1/4 cell phone towers are down. Providers are working together at the moment.
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I'm going to make sure I have more matches on hand, went through a lot having to light gas burners manually
and a lot of candles.
Also will be keeping oil lamps ready to go. I used to use them years ago but stopped
(I think it was because of the soot) but they do give off a lot of light and heat.
Think I'm going to get a solar battery charger too.
My hand crank radio/flashlight was a pain in the butt.
Lot of winding for not a lot of listening. Will be looking
into something more efficient. Although I did see that
it said that you should charge it every three months which
I neglected to do.
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You only need to ask a Floridian for prepping advice, we've been through it all like how many times in the past 10 years?

Water is número UNO. Easy to eat food, light source, if you have a generator, a case of oil and a week supply of gas to run it 4 hours a day to keep the food in the fridge cold and a big supply of patience help a lot. I have a carryall with heavy duty plastic bags sitting ready to pile my important papers, photos, laptop and a 10 day supply of energy bars along with clean easy wear clothes and extra shoes if it gets to the point I have to leave, add a toothbrush, tooth paste and I will drive away if they say cat 2 or higher or predict massive rain. I'll sleep in a shelter and figure it all out afterwards, had to do just that for 1 storm that flooded my neighborhood to where we were not allowed back for 4 days. No power, no gas, no stores open, back then no electronics or cell phones like today. A initially humbling experience but strangely liberating, since then I no longer worry about material possessions. Don't get me wrong, I have a nice little older house, a nice, older car, nice furniture, clothes etc., but my possessions don't own me like I see some people fret about their stuff.
I do hope people on the whole stay rational and maintain their human dignity through this ordeal and offer a little comfort and a kind word to others when the opportunity is offered, good luck and god bless.
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Good idea, thanks.
And thanks for starting this thread & for all the replies.
I'd rather learn from others' mistakes than learn from my own.
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Bump because this is very useful :)
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With not being able to find gas.....

On my to do list:

Look into a propane conversion kit for the generator.
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Powdered milk. Light weight bags. Sold in grocery stores. Milk doesn't spoil in powered form. Reconstitute with bottled water.

Good will stores are great for prepping and it's cheaper. Candles, candle holders, oil lamp, battery radio. Best thing I found is a new glass coffee percolator pot you can use on gas burner! I have to have coffee in the morning.
 Quoting: abeliever

Wal-Mart. Hispanic food section. Canned whole milk powder (much better than nonfat powdered milk). Brand name "Nido", from Nestle. Cost approx. $14 for a 3.5 lb can. Cost is about the same or slightly cheaper than the nonfat dry milk. Cans are also much sturdier and less prone to environment damage (water, rodents, etc.) than cardboard boxes and/or paper envelopes of the nonfat dry milk.

[link to www.walmart.com]
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THANKS for the TIP!!
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A question of Preppers In the sandy area what worked and what didn't ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19964681


Worked:
Ample candles,
kerosene lamps/fuel
Water and canned food/rice etc.
BBQ Grill with multiple propane tanks. Use propane tanks for heating (only had 3- not going to be enough). Resorting to rocket stove for cooking and some heat from outside.

tent use at night with Coleman propane for heat in the tent. Good sleeping bags.

Many flash lights and rechargeable batteries.

Solar panels, enough power to charge phone, use lamps when needed. Not enough power for fridge. had to cook all meat.

So far will hold up. Going through water very fast. Had 20 cases in storage...going through 1 case per day.


Not enough gasoline storage. Only 25 gallons stored.
Need a good stock of firewood

No looters..locked and loaded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21016130


When the led flashlights first came out (and they were still ridiculously expensive) I bought one. The claim made was that a set of fresh batteries would last for 30 days, 24/7. When I got it, I decided to test that. Got a set of fresh batteries, turned it on, and left it sitting lens-down on a bookshelf.

I didn't test it to the full 30 days, just 4 weeks (28 days). At that point, the light was very dim, but I found I could use it to walk through a dark room and not trip over anything.

Overall, I was quite impressed. Since then, as they've become vastly less expensive, I've added several in various sizes to my preps.

Also, I found that those little solar-powered garden path lights (which can even be found for just $1 each at dollar stores) do a very nice job for light when the power is off. Expose them to sunlight during the day, use them for light indoors at night. No fire hazard like candles, don't run out / wear out. They have their downsides, of course... such as can't use them for heat or to cook over... but they make a nice, cheap way to supplement and extend your stock of candles.
 Quoting: Dr. Anomaly


I have an LED flashlight I got on ebay years ago -- 41 LEDs. It looks kind of strange -- almost like a mini-lightbright, but the batteries LAST a long time and its VERY bright compared to our old mag light. I love mine.
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You can cook indoors with any "camp cooker" if you are careful: Petrol, Coleman fuel, kerosene, alcohol, butane, propane . Petrol is most dangerous for "fuel fire" so take extra care and have a fire extinguisher handy.. good idea for all flame stoves. You should KNOW what you are doing. Few things are idiot proof. A leaking fuel stove is NOT GOOD.

None are safe without some ventilation. In old leaky houses .. this was not an issue. In modern houses it is. The fuel requires oxygen to burn.. and puts out carbon dioxide and some monoxide. Open a window slightly.

I have heard of people killing themselves with butane cookers using them to heat in a sealed up vehicle.

I regard kerosene as a safer fuel for cooking , heating and lighting. But it smells.. and is harder to get these days. You can safely store large quantities of kerosene.. it lasts for years.

Butane cookers and lamps are very convenient. Quick to light and control. Butane for short term and convenience, Kerosene for longer term. Petrol is commonly available.. so the "duel fuel" Coleman camp cookers are good to have as a backup. Use outside if you are unsure of safety.
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Is butane the same as propane?
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I have lived through several power outages in the Northeast during blizzards, ice storms, etc. The worst was an icestorm in upstate NY which left me and my 5 year old son without power for three weeks, along with a pine tree on the roof. All this with an electric house and well. (the now ex DH was working at a job out of state.)

What made life better? Wood stove and kerosene heater. I was able to keep the house easily at 60 degrees. We just wore lots of layers. Bust out your camping gear. I tucked us into sleeping bags under quilts, and with the two cats, we were toasty. I see a lot of references to propane stoves, but I had much better luck with my two dual fuel Coleman stoves. I did set them up outside to cook, and brought them in to the garage after they were cooled.

Water was the biggest problem, because my home was on a hillside and dependent on the electric well. I used water from the hot water tank to drink, and collected melt water from the gutters to flush the toilet. If it's yellow, let it mellow; if it's brown, flush it down. Laundry was at a minimum because when it's that cold, you just don't stink up as fast or as much. Baby wipes were an asset.

I did have a beer or two the first day, but I soon realized I needed to keep my game face on, so alcohol was put aside. To conserve candles and flashlights, we got up with the light and went to bed with the dark. Stories, songs, puzzles, along with the usual chores did help pass the time. I never had to deploy it, but there was a twelve gauge parked by the door.

I wonder at the constant use of generators. If you run them for four to six hours a day, that should be enough to keep the freezer frozen and the fridge cold, along with charging up all the peripherals. I have a 2000 watt Honda, and the thing is thrifty and quiet. However, if you need power to run all the Halloween decorations, sound system and multiple big screen tvs then be my guest. Going thrifty will stretch out those gasoline reserves. FWIW, I use premium gas treated with Stabil and I've never had a cough out of the genny, even with year old gas.

And I'm a big believer in waterbobs. People may moan about the cost, but 100 gallons of fresh water is worth a lot when you are thirsty . . .

Prayers for those who are struggling--
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Please read everyone.Best post in the thread so far.Go Jefinerhf
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Re: A question? Preppers in the Sandy area. What worked and what didn't?
Northwest Jersey here. Lost power Sunday night. Got it back Friday night.

What worked:
1.) Filled bathtub with water for flushing toilet.
2.) Had candles and flashlights and batteries ready.
3.) Had lots of bottled drinking water.
4.) Filled gas tanks of all cars prior to storm.

What didn't work:
1.) Used jetboil camp stove to cook meals, but the pot wasn't big enough for cooking for 5
2.) Have no generator and our house is heated only by electricity, so it got very cold.
3.) Not having power meant no internet or TV, so we had no way of knowing what was going on except for the press conferences from Bloomberg and Christi on the radio and calling the power companies.
4.) Without a generator, our food spoiled, and when the supermarkets finally got generators running, they had only non perishables. Eating nothing but snack food for 5 days is very unhealthy and drains your energy. Plus its just gross after a couple days.

What I've learned is there are 3 things that stand out as crucial to have. The first thing is a working fridge and a way to cook hot meals. Second is communications including internet, charged working phones/land lines, and radios. Third is plenty of gas for cars and generators.
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I was going to buy a gas generator this week but after reading this thread, I see they make propane generators. Great idea. Any advise on a decent propane generator?
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Propane generators have cold weather issues you need to have ways to get around. Like a carb heater and a propane tank heater.
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1/4 cell phone towers are down. Providers are working together at the moment.
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We found our isatphone pro to be totally indispensable. Grid totally down, phones, air cards, power... Everything. But we had email, phone calls...the works. My wife has most of her family overseas and to be able to call them and let everybody know we are ok, at any time, no matter what, is priceless.. Also used it to help my neighbors place calls, one who needed more oxygen tanks delivered was able to gi-er-done over Inmarsat. "woah, your phone works???... holy shit hit let me get my dead cell and start looking up numbers"

Also my Sony shortwave and public alert radios were helpful as they can run for days on a few AA cells. A simple impromptu random wire antenna placed in the trees and $200 worth of radio and your all set... Worldwide news and information forever with small solar charger or car battery.

I already had my shit together long before this storm so we had everything of comfort but Netflix, Just got power back today and I'm glad we don't have to live off our cupboards anymore... The folks in SI and NJ are a different story, but that's why I moved from queens to the country and commute 200 miles per day roundtrip so my peeps can have a fighting chance... Deer and turkeys as neighbors is better then the rats and ass rapeing bodegas with $3.00 sodas and $13.00 smokes.

As quagmire said, New York is a great place to live..... If your a cockroach. So sad, most people in queens have no choice, cost of living is just too damn high to escape.
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Re Propane v Butane

No they are NOT the same .. butane is almost liquid and comes in thin walled metal canisters. In very cold temperatures it will not "gassify" so you have to warm up the can. Put it up your jumper.. :-).. sleep with a can.

Propane is a compressed gas and comes in heavy strong walled cylinders.

Butane is good for quick convenience and camping mobility. Propane for longer term.. heavy use.
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I am N. of NYC, in the affected area (still without power with downed trees all around) but not the worst affected area.

Generator, installed with switch to run the circuits in the house, with gas cans, and filled the gas cans in the week before the storm.

Saved our asses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3029708


In long outages those generators suck a hell of a lot of gas. Best to run them for short times to make the gas last. 24/7 running you will need to own a gas station.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Or two 500 gallon propane tanks. Living rural has it's advantages.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Everytime I've seen floods, the big propane
tanks floated and broke away since even
a full propane tank is much lighter than water :-)
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Her'e a link to Breezy Point after Sandy:
[link to photoblog.nbcnews.com]
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please tell me how does one prep for this?
[link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
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The same way you prep for this I guess:
[link to photos.nj.com]
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please tell me how does one prep for this?
[link to i.dailymail.co.uk]
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I'm guessing the same way you prep for this:
[link to photos.nj.com]

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