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Clarifications on the Nobody Story

 
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" This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. "

Revelation 13:18

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”

Revelations 14:1

144,000/666= 216.2162162162162
144,000/216= 666.6666666666667

That leaves the odd 2 and 7, which when subtracted, leaves 5, which is how many times 216 is repeated in the division of 144,000/666.

216*5 = 1080, which is a multiple of cube root 27, 27*40=1080

360*3=1080

27 is a perfect cube , 3^3, or 3*3*3 = 27

27 letters in the Hebrew language, 22 basic letters of the Hebrew alphabet and the 5 final forms.

Plotted on a cube and split in 3 reveals hidden center letter, Nun, 111

[link to www.meetingtent.com]

In almost all Christian traditions today, the New Testament consists of 27 books
Pythagoras and Plato say that the number 3 in the cubed (i.e. 27) and number 2 in the cubed (i.e., 8) represent the Cosmos.

In the Kabbalah there are 27 letters, corresponding to 27 channels of communication with God and 27 combinations of the names of God and - 13 overt and 14 covert.

1080

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 Quoting: !saac


ok, and what does this mean more than probably those numeric references from the bible were based on this kind of arithmetic reasoning? :)
and even if that numbers have a real ontological significance. IF 8 and 27 are really the numbers of the universe?
So what does it really means for the spiritual path of an individual.

It is clear that you can not assign a spiritual significance to the numbers, as we understand them (arithmetic)
in the best case such numbers express something about the mathematical structure of the universe.
chemistry does something similar.
do you think there is anymore than that a human rational mind could get from such numerical correlations?
 Quoting: andreidita


It just is what it is.

Just like the fact I had a remission from brain cancer overnight back in February, I have a birthmark of the 3 Magi, family in the Majestic Twelve, Templars, Merovingians, etc.

Just like all the stuff that's in my photobucket album in my signature.

Make of what it you will or won't, it still is just what it is, regardless of what anybody thinks.

grinning
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You know how to win a race where the outcome was already decided ?

You sit down on the finish line and wait for everybody else to huff and puff their way around the track, because there really was no contest in the first place.

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It just is what it is.

Just like the fact I had a remission from brain cancer overnight back in February, I have a birthmark of the 3 Magi, family in the Majestic Twelve, Templars, Merovingians, etc.

Just like all the stuff that's in my photobucket album in my signature.

Make of what it you will or won't, it still is just what it is, regardless of what anybody thinks.

grinning
 Quoting: !saac


Wow.

May I ask if its not too personal, if you had been engaged in any type of ritual or fasting before such occurred?

:)
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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It just is what it is.

Just like the fact I had a remission from brain cancer overnight back in February, I have a birthmark of the 3 Magi, family in the Majestic Twelve, Templars, Merovingians, etc.

Just like all the stuff that's in my photobucket album in my signature.

Make of what it you will or won't, it still is just what it is, regardless of what anybody thinks.

grinning
 Quoting: !saac


:) universe speaks through individual consciousness in signs, of which that consciousness can become aware. like the examples you gave.
there can be signs about one's own path or mission, or more general/objective ones

precisely at this level i was asking if you can make out something from this connection? if you make a personal connection, i do not need to know it.

but the question is if you can make from it something more general :)

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It just is what it is.

Just like the fact I had a remission from brain cancer overnight back in February, I have a birthmark of the 3 Magi, family in the Majestic Twelve, Templars, Merovingians, etc.

Just like all the stuff that's in my photobucket album in my signature.

Make of what it you will or won't, it still is just what it is, regardless of what anybody thinks.

grinning
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Wow.

May I ask if its not too personal, if you had been engaged in any type of ritual or fasting before such occurred?

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I thought you knew, I mentioned it many times here since it happened.

scratching

I fasted after it happened, for roughly a week, passed it all from my body. I didn't try to treat my cancer, I sat in my house and waited for it to run it's course, and that's when it all kicked off, February 2nd.
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It just is what it is.

Just like the fact I had a remission from brain cancer overnight back in February, I have a birthmark of the 3 Magi, family in the Majestic Twelve, Templars, Merovingians, etc.

Just like all the stuff that's in my photobucket album in my signature.

Make of what it you will or won't, it still is just what it is, regardless of what anybody thinks.

grinning
 Quoting: !saac


:) universe speaks through individual consciousness in signs, of which that consciousness can become aware. like the examples you gave.
there can be signs about one's own path or mission, or more general/objective ones

precisely at this level i was asking if you can make out something from this connection? if you make a personal connection, i do not need to know it.

but the question is if you can make from it something more general :)
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I guess you'll have to grab some popcorn and wait to see, just like me.

popcorn
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I guess you'll have to grab some popcorn and wait to see, just like me.

popcorn
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or to invite others to the party in the meantime :)
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I guess you'll have to grab some popcorn and wait to see, just like me.

popcorn
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or to invite others to the party in the meantime :)
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It's why we're all here cheers
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It just is what it is.

Just like the fact I had a remission from brain cancer overnight back in February, I have a birthmark of the 3 Magi, family in the Majestic Twelve, Templars, Merovingians, etc.

Just like all the stuff that's in my photobucket album in my signature.

Make of what it you will or won't, it still is just what it is, regardless of what anybody thinks.

grinning
 Quoting: !saac


Wow.

May I ask if its not too personal, if you had been engaged in any type of ritual or fasting before such occurred?

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I thought you knew, I mentioned it many times here since it happened.

scratching

I fasted after it happened, for roughly a week, passed it all from my body. I didn't try to treat my cancer, I sat in my house and waited for it to run it's course, and that's when it all kicked off, February 2nd.
 Quoting: !saac


I had seen you mention it, yes.

I find fasting to be fascinating as I do it often.


So, you were diagnosed, then decided to do nothing(?) and it just passed, but after you found out then you fasted?

Do I have that right?

Because I feel like there is something else.

If it is private, by no means feel like you need to answer.


I grew up in a medical family, so stories of such I find quite fascinating. I have also been spontaneously healed but not to such a degree.

At least that which I am aware of.

:)

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It just is what it is.

Just like the fact I had a remission from brain cancer overnight back in February, I have a birthmark of the 3 Magi, family in the Majestic Twelve, Templars, Merovingians, etc.

Just like all the stuff that's in my photobucket album in my signature.

Make of what it you will or won't, it still is just what it is, regardless of what anybody thinks.

grinning
 Quoting: !saac


Wow.

May I ask if its not too personal, if you had been engaged in any type of ritual or fasting before such occurred?

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I thought you knew, I mentioned it many times here since it happened.

scratching

I fasted after it happened, for roughly a week, passed it all from my body. I didn't try to treat my cancer, I sat in my house and waited for it to run it's course, and that's when it all kicked off, February 2nd.
 Quoting: !saac


I had seen you mention it yes.

I find fasting to be fascinating as I do it often.


So, you were diagnosed, then decided to do nothing an it just passed, but after you found out then you fasted?

Do I have that right?

Because I feel like there is something else.

If it is private, by no mean feel like you need to answer.


I grew up in a medical family, so stories of such I find quite fascinating. I have also been spontaneously healed but not to such a degree.

At least that which I am aware of.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Yes, I decided to just let it go.

No family, no attachments to the world, I figured why not ?

There was something else that happened, but it was for me.

Idk...I didn't see any of this coming. 1dunno1
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I had seen you mention it yes.

I find fasting to be fascinating as I do it often.


So, you were diagnosed, then decided to do nothing an it just passed, but after you found out then you fasted?

Do I have that right?

Because I feel like there is something else.

If it is private, by no mean feel like you need to answer.


I grew up in a medical family, so stories of such I find quite fascinating. I have also been spontaneously healed but not to such a degree.

At least that which I am aware of.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Yes, I decided to just let it go.

No family, no attachments to the world, I figured why not ?

There was something else that happened, but it was for me.

Idk...I didn't see any of this coming. 1dunno1
 Quoting: !saac


This is what I am getting...



You surrendered to your believed fate...

In doing so, you released your hold to the physical flesh body, having confidence instead that you would move on regardless knowing that Spirit transitions.

Perhaps your Faith in such, was the reason you were gift with said.

It is well documented, for spontaneous healing to happen at 'miraculous' spots around the Globe.


Is it Faith?

It that why some are healed and others are not?


To believe IT.

To know IT.

To become IT.


Healed.

Indeed.



NeuronLight

The power of Belief?

Or something a bit more?

:)
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I truly don't know Seer, we'll have to see what happens.

I should probably quit chain smoking though chuckle
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I truly don't know Seer, we'll have to see what happens.

I should probably quit chain smoking though chuckle
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lol

Whatever makes one happy, right?

As long as it does not infringe on others to find the same.


To say one feels like they truly LIVED, then all else is noise.

After all, if we are not here to enjoy ourSelves...then what is the point?



I would like to share something with you I found quite profound...


Cancer prevents immortality. Without the threat of cancer, the body ceases to age.

There are some among you who have walked this Earth for thousands of years.

You will never find the missing link.
 Quoting: AGC


It's interesting you say that as I saw a thread the other day I found highly intriguing.

In essence, the posters father had recently passed away from cancer.

He said his father came to him in a dream and said something like,

"If you don't want to get cancer, drink this everyday."


He then held up a pitcher of water with lemon slices in it.



hf
 Quoting: Seer777


lemons

hugs

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Apollo will you make a new thread on the specifics on all this nobody stuff you have begin to share more about? As far as like the more specifics you have began to share like the whole "no body" thing and just some insights or metaphors that explains more of your "inner" knowledge.

Perhaps here or on your site?

I find it interesting you seem to present yourself as Jewish...doesn't the high ups await Lucifer?

Thanks either way.

Also, to the rest of you all...please share your views on lucifer. Do you not think the nobody is likely Lucifer? Or at least the one that is truly awaited for his/her/it's return? The people running things surely have a purpose in mind and we can't ignore how much the throw Lucifer at is in every type of entertainment stuff out there.

If you look at the religion of Islam....from a nobody perspective....it seems perhaps closest to the truth than a lot of religions (but dont quote me on that). Could Muhammad be the closest to this whole "the nobody" stuff, at least compared to other religions.

And no I am not evil or subscribe to any religion currently....just trying to be open minded and hopefully lead myself, and whomever is along my thinking to the greatest truth we can obtain.

Thanks for your time and hopefully this will bring about some discussion. Peace and Love to you all!
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Apollo will you make a new thread on the specifics on all this nobody stuff you have begin to share more about? As far as like the more specifics you have began to share like the whole "no body" thing and just some insights or metaphors that explains more of your "inner" knowledge.

Perhaps here or on your site?

I find it interesting you seem to present yourself as Jewish...doesn't the high ups await Lucifer?

Thanks either way.

Also, to the rest of you all...please share your views on lucifer. Do you not think the nobody is likely Lucifer? Or at least the one that is truly awaited for his/her/it's return? The people running things surely have a purpose in mind and we can't ignore how much the throw Lucifer at is in every type of entertainment stuff out there.

If you look at the religion of Islam....from a nobody perspective....it seems perhaps closest to the truth than a lot of religions (but dont quote me on that). Could Muhammad be the closest to this whole "the nobody" stuff, at least compared to other religions.

And no I am not evil or subscribe to any religion currently....just trying to be open minded and hopefully lead myself, and whomever is along my thinking to the greatest truth we can obtain.

Thanks for your time and hopefully this will bring about some discussion. Peace and Love to you all!
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A theory I like about Lucifer is one that Lucifer is soul group Lucifer and they are here to give choice, to create negativity so as we can choose light/love.

Soul group Lucifer are from the 6th dimension so I read, and our Logos yehwah or however you spell lol, has been running a benign dictatorship here on earth and souls have not been evolving, so the council or federation or whatever you call it contracted soul group Lucifer to come here and give us choice, hence the snake offering the apple, when the children tasted the apple of choice, their father got mad trapped soul group Lucifer in the astral realms and threw the kids out of the garden.

so I read ;)
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Apollo will you make a new thread on the specifics on all this nobody stuff you have begin to share more about? As far as like the more specifics you have began to share like the whole "no body" thing and just some insights or metaphors that explains more of your "inner" knowledge.

Perhaps here or on your site?

I find it interesting you seem to present yourself as Jewish...doesn't the high ups await Lucifer?

Thanks either way.

Also, to the rest of you all...please share your views on lucifer. Do you not think the nobody is likely Lucifer? Or at least the one that is truly awaited for his/her/it's return? The people running things surely have a purpose in mind and we can't ignore how much the throw Lucifer at is in every type of entertainment stuff out there.

If you look at the religion of Islam....from a nobody perspective....it seems perhaps closest to the truth than a lot of religions (but dont quote me on that). Could Muhammad be the closest to this whole "the nobody" stuff, at least compared to other religions.

And no I am not evil or subscribe to any religion currently....just trying to be open minded and hopefully lead myself, and whomever is along my thinking to the greatest truth we can obtain.

Thanks for your time and hopefully this will bring about some discussion. Peace and Love to you all!
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A theory I like about Lucifer is one that Lucifer is soul group Lucifer and they are here to give choice, to create negativity so as we can choose light/love.

Soul group Lucifer are from the 6th dimension so I read, and our Logos yehwah or however you spell lol, has been running a benign dictatorship here on earth and souls have not been evolving, so the council or federation or whatever you call it contracted soul group Lucifer to come here and give us choice, hence the snake offering the apple, when the children tasted the apple of choice, their father got mad trapped soul group Lucifer in the astral realms and threw the kids out of the garden.

so I read ;)
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quite interesting indeedy...thanks for sharing ;)
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A theory I like about Lucifer is one that Lucifer is soul group Lucifer and they are here to give choice, to create negativity so as we can choose light/love.

Soul group Lucifer are from the 6th dimension so I read, and our Logos yehwah or however you spell lol, has been running a benign dictatorship here on earth and souls have not been evolving, so the council or federation or whatever you call it contracted soul group Lucifer to come here and give us choice, hence the snake offering the apple, when the children tasted the apple of choice, their father got mad trapped soul group Lucifer in the astral realms and threw the kids out of the garden.

so I read ;)
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Yes, slavery was always about "choice"...

Why do you think they use FORCE so much??

To give us "choice"...
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I had seen you mention it yes.

I find fasting to be fascinating as I do it often.


So, you were diagnosed, then decided to do nothing an it just passed, but after you found out then you fasted?

Do I have that right?

Because I feel like there is something else.

If it is private, by no mean feel like you need to answer.


I grew up in a medical family, so stories of such I find quite fascinating. I have also been spontaneously healed but not to such a degree.

At least that which I am aware of.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


Yes, I decided to just let it go.

No family, no attachments to the world, I figured why not ?


There was something else that happened, but it was for me.

Idk...I didn't see any of this coming. 1dunno1
 Quoting: !saac


This is what I am getting...



You surrendered to your believed fate...

In doing so, you released your hold to the physical flesh body, having confidence instead that you would move on regardless knowing that Spirit transitions.

Perhaps your Faith in such, was the reason you were gift with said.

It is well documented, for spontaneous healing to happen at 'miraculous' spots around the Globe.


Is it Faith?

It that why some are healed and others are not?


To believe IT.

To know IT.

To become IT.


Healed.

Indeed.



NeuronLight

The power of Belief?

Or something a bit more?

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


in an environment (earth) where beliefs are wrong to varying degrees, removing (letting go) of the cause removes affect (cancer)
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Apollo will you make a new thread on the specifics on all this nobody stuff you have begin to share more about? As far as like the more specifics you have began to share like the whole "no body" thing and just some insights or metaphors that explains more of your "inner" knowledge.

Perhaps here or on your site?

I find it interesting you seem to present yourself as Jewish...doesn't the high ups await Lucifer?

Thanks either way.

Also, to the rest of you all...please share your views on lucifer. Do you not think the nobody is likely Lucifer? Or at least the one that is truly awaited for his/her/it's return? The people running things surely have a purpose in mind and we can't ignore how much the throw Lucifer at is in every type of entertainment stuff out there.

If you look at the religion of Islam....from a nobody perspective....it seems perhaps closest to the truth than a lot of religions (but dont quote me on that). Could Muhammad be the closest to this whole "the nobody" stuff, at least compared to other religions.

And no I am not evil or subscribe to any religion currently....just trying to be open minded and hopefully lead myself, and whomever is along my thinking to the greatest truth we can obtain.

Thanks for your time and hopefully this will bring about some discussion. Peace and Love to you all!
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Hi there, sure Ill consider doing a new post ! Indeed, Lucifer is the nobody and theres many reasons for this. He is the daat sphere of the Kabbalah and the one that approaches the high priestess. He is the serpent in the tree that goes up the kundalini of Eve and talks to her. He is associated with female cause he is the deep searching feminine and emotional introspection into the pagan side of religion and spirituality.

You see the Patriarchal Organized religions have you follow and obey without question. Lucifer is the opposite, he is sensual, free will, exploring, and becoming ones own God hood . This is not to be mistaken with wantoness or sin or doing whatever one wants though. As Crowley stated Do What Thou Wilt but love is the whole of the law.. Things still need to be done with reason, logic and love. I know I sound very Luciferian and Occult here, but actually Lucifer also personifies the Moshiach ideal of the Jewish Messiah that is prophechied to teach the people the esoteric truths of Torah.

As to Muhammad, he is very much idealized in the Morning Star in terms of looking within, meditating in a cave, looking for God and looking for the truth and playing the evolutionary force of belief . The mere fact that he was a orphan compounds the Lucifer story as Lucifer in truth was a orphan too. This is revealed in various testimonies of Yahweh in the scriptures about the adopted one.

In the end, the initiates conclusion is that God is indeed ONE, and that no part of creation is separate from God as like the fundamental Christian community erroneously taught. Christian, Jewish, Islam, Gnostic, Wiccan, Freemason and Luciferi can all approach him if they have a pure heart.. You can choose to scapegoat someone but that very someone will play the court jester and out wit the King and endear himself in the end to the people. Such is the story of the nobody..
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And Apollo, astrologically speaking, what is your ruling planet?
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Saturn.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


aka satan
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This very well resonates with me.
Thanks for putting it down.
Not many understand this.

Hi there, sure Ill consider doing a new post ! Indeed, Lucifer is the nobody and theres many reasons for this. He is the daat sphere of the Kabbalah and the one that approaches the high priestess. He is the serpent in the tree that goes up the kundalini of Eve and talks to her. He is associated with female cause he is the deep searching feminine and emotional introspection into the pagan side of religion and spirituality.

You see the Patriarchal Organized religions have you follow and obey without question. Lucifer is the opposite, he is sensual, free will, exploring, and becoming ones own God hood . This is not to be mistaken with wantoness or sin or doing whatever one wants though. As Crowley stated Do What Thou Wilt but love is the whole of the law.. Things still need to be done with reason, logic and love. I know I sound very Luciferian and Occult here, but actually Lucifer also personifies the Moshiach ideal of the Jewish Messiah that is prophechied to teach the people the esoteric truths of Torah.
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Great post apollo
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From the Apple comes forth the Hand.
The hand may obtain arms,
It has the right to bear.

Tear open the seal of an apple, and
The flesh reveals itself in the light.

So perfect, and apple ish... Lol

It is what it is, It seems.

Do seals have a seem?
Perimeter / edge / ab ba

?
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Some may think it's a roleplaying story - a choose-your-own-messiah...it's not. At least, not to those connected to the energy flow of the Nobody. To them it is very real - one of the most important things in all of existence.

Some may think it's something that started on some GLP thread...it's not. Look at the world and you will see the same undercurrent, the same patterns, the same subconscious/energy connection. The Nobody has taken the world by storm...and they're not even aware of his existence.

Some may think it's a PTB psy-ops...it's possible that this is true. Regardless, he will continue on his path as he always has, no matter what they throw at him.

The WOS is still playing a major role, and despite her recent lack of popularity she is still the main driving force in his life.

Like all things, if enough people are unified, things can happen...we can help or harm him if we so choose, simply by altering the collective consciousness - however, nothing can ever truly stop him. He will always bounce back and keep going on the path he chose, regardless of what happens to him along the way.


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This "nobody" crap is the most profoundly stupid thing to come along on this forum in years. It never ends, the threads are pathetic attempts at spiritual depth but reek of cult worship and a desperate need for a savior. All it took was some psych experiment to reveal just how massive the level of ignorance and willingness to be led is out there. I say to the psych experimenters -- you've done a really good job here. Oh, and the "ST in BG" thread's a good one too.
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when people started this nobody thing I thought they were kidding. They only thing close to a nobody would be the life force that flows through every living thing. Gets us through life to our ultimate destination where ever that may be, hell, heaven, recycled back to earth, limbo, where evergoawaytdownlurk God puts you. Its a great time to be alive, specialy when you dont have much choice in the matter. After all nobodies perfect. May the force be with you.!yoda

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From the Apple comes forth the Hand.
The hand may obtain arms,
It has the right to bear.

Tear open the seal of an apple, and
The flesh reveals itself in the light.

So perfect, and apple ish... Lol

It is what it is, It seems.

Do seals have a seem?
Perimeter / edge / ab ba

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-You Hold Witness I Witness

As if he could, by himself, say:
_Alive, therefore life itself.
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I have a few questions.

Is Lucifer Jesus?

Does Luke Skywalker represent Jesus?

His sister Lea..who is she, his twin?

Darth Vader,Anikim, which God does he represent?
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Osho on Bankei, Osho story on Zen Master Bankei

Osho - The only miracle, the impossible miracle, is to be just ordinary. The longing of the mind is to be extraordinary. The ego thirsts and hungers for the recognition that you are somebody. Somebody achieves that dream through wealth, somebody else achieves that dream through power, politics, somebody else can achieve that dream through miracles, jugglery, but the dream remains the same: I cannot tolerate being nobody.

And this is a miracle — when you accept your nobodiness, when you are just as ordinary as anybody else, when you don’t ask for any recognition, when you can exist as if you are not existing. To be absent is the miracle.

This story is beautiful, one of the most beautiful Zen anecdotes, and Bankei is one of the superb masters. But Bankei was an ordinary man. Once it happened that Bankei was working in his garden. Somebody came, a seeker, a man in search of a master, and he asked Bankei, “Gardener, where is the master?”

Bankei laughed and said, “Wait. Come from that door, inside you will find the master.”
So the man went round and came inside. He saw Bankei sitting on a throne, the same man who was the gardener outside. The seeker said, “Are you kidding? Get down from this throne. This is sacrilegious, you don’t pay any respect to the master.”

Bankei got down, sat on the ground, and said, “Now then, it is difficult. Now you will not find the master here because I am the master.”

It was difficult for that man to see that a great master could work in the garden, could be just ordinary. He left. He couldn’t believe that this man was the master; he missed. We are all in search of the extraordinary. But why are you in search of the extraordinary? It is because you also long to be extraordinary. With an ordinary master, how can you become extraordinary, exceptional?

Bankei was talking, lecturing, and one man stood and asked about miracles. He belonged to some other sect, a sect which worked through mantras, holy names. Remember that a mantra is a secret technique to achieve more power. A mantra is not spiritual, it is political, but the politics are of the inner space, not of the outer.

The mind can become powerful if you narrow it down; narrowing is the method. The more narrow the mind, the more powerful it becomes. It is just like the sun’s rays falling to the ground. If you focus those waves, those rays, through a lens, fire can be created. Those rays were falling all spread out but now they have been narrowed down through the lens. They have become one-pointed, concentrated; now fire is possible.

The mind is energy, in fact, the same energy that comes through the sun, the same subtle rays. Ask the physicists. They say the mind has a voltage of electricity, that it is electrical. If you can focus the mind through a lens, the mantra is a lens, and you go on repeating Ram, Ram, Ram, or Om, Om, Om, or anything, just one word — if you go repeating and repeating and repeating it, and the mind’s whole energy is centered in that one word — it becomes a lens. Now all the rays are passing through that lens. Narrowed to one point it becomes powerful, you can do miracles.

Just by thinking you can do miracles. But remember, those miracles are not spiritual.Power is never spiritual. Powerlessness, helplessness, to be nothing, is spiritual;.power is never spiritual. This is the difference between magic and religion; magic is after power, religion is after nothingness. A mantra is a part of magic not of religion at all, but everything is a big mess, mixed up. People who are doing miracles are magicians, not spiritual in any way.

They are even anti-spiritual because they are spreading magic in the name of religion, which is very dangerous. Through a mantra the mind is narrowed; it is more narrowed, more powerful, and then anything can be done. There is only one thing you will miss — you will miss yourself. All miracles will be possible, the ultimate miracle you will miss. You will miss yourself because through narrowing down you can achieve an object.

The more the mind is narrowed, the more it becomes fixed to an object; it becomes objective. You are hidden behind and the object is outside. So if you are a man of mantras you can say to this tree, “Die,” and the tree will die; you can say to a man, “Be healthy,” and the disease will disappear, or, “Be unhealthy,” and the disease will enter — many things you can do. You can become somebody, and people will recognize you as a man of power but never a man of God.

A man of God is born when the mind is not narrowed at all, when the mind is not flowing in one direction but is overflowing in all directions. There is no lens, no mantra, just the energy flowing in all dimensions everywhere. That flowing energy, that energy overflowing everywhere, will make you alert about yourself because then there is no object. Only you, only subjectivity exists, and through you, you will become aware of God, not through any power.

This man asked Bankei, “What type of miracles can you do? My master, through mantra, through the holy name, can do miracles. He will stand on one bank of the river, and disciples will stand on the other bank with a paper in their hands, a half-mile distant, and he will write from here and the words will come on the paper on the other bank. This our master can do. What can you do?”

And Bankei said, “We know only one miracle here, and that is when I feel hungry I eat, and when I feel sleepy I sleep. Only this much.” Not much of a miracle. Your mind will say, “What type of a miracle is this? It is nothing to be proud of.” But I say to you Bankei has said the real thing.

That’s what a Buddha can do, that’s what a Mahavira is doing, that’s what a Jesus is to do. Only then is he a Christ, otherwise not. What he is saying is such a simple thing. He says, “When I am hungry I eat.” Is it so difficult that he calls it a miracle? I say it is difficult for you; for the mind it is the most difficult thing — not to interfere.

When you feel hungry the mind says, “No, this is a religious day and I am on a fast.” When you don’t feel hungry the mind says, “Eat, because this is the time every day that you eat.” And when the stomach is overfilled the mind says, “Go on eating, the food is delicious.” Your mind interferes.

What is Bankei saying? He is saying, “My mind has stopped interfering. When I feel hungry I eat, when I don’t feel hungry I don’t eat. Eating has become a spontaneous thing; the mind is not a continuous interference. When I feel sleepy I go to sleep.” No, you are not doing this. You go to sleep as a ritual, not when you feel sleepy. You get up as a ritual because it is brahmamuhurta, and you are a Hindu and you must get up before sunrise. Because you are a Hindu, you get up. Who is this Hindu? It is the mind. You cannot be a Hindu, you cannot be a Mohammedan; there is no sect for you but the mind. The mind says, “You are a Hindu, you must get up,” so you get up.

When the mind says, “Now it is time to go to sleep,” you go to sleep. You follow the mind, not nature. Bankei is saying, “I flow with nature; whatsoever my whole being feels, I do it. There is no fragmentary mind manipulating it, manipulation is the problem. You go on manipulating and this disturbance, interference, this manipulation from the mind is the problem.

Even in dreams you go on manipulating — ask the psychologists; they say while awake, you continue manipulating. The mind doesn’t allow you to see what is there, it projects; the mind doesn’t allow you to hear what is being said to you, it interprets.

Even in dreams you are false because the mind goes on playing tricks on you. Freud discovered that our dreams are also false. You want to kill your father so in the dream you don’t kill your father. You want to poison your wife but you don’t poison your wife even in a dream, you poison some woman who somehow resembles your wife. The mind is interfering continuously.I have heard that one man was saying to another, to his friend, “Did I dream last night! What a dream! I went to Coney Island — What delicious ice cream, such a tasteful dinner.I have never eaten such a thing in my whole life.”

The other man said,”You are kidding.You call that a wonderful dream? Last night I dreamt that on one side was Elizabeth Taylor, on the other side was Marilyn Monroe, both in the nude.
The other became excited and said, “Then why didn’t you call me?” The man said: “I called you, but your wife said you had already left for Coney Island.”

Even in dreams the mind goes on creating the world – Coney Islands, Elizabeth Taylors — and you become jealous even about another’s dream:Why didn’t you call me? Bankei is saying: “We know only one miracle. We allow nature to have its own course, we don’t interfere.” Through interference comes the ego: the more you interfere, the more you manipulate, the more you feel you are somebody.

Look at the ascetics — their egos are so refined and subtle, so shiny. Why? It is because they have interfered the most; you have not interfered so much. They have killed their sex, they have destroyed their love, they have suppressed their anger, they have completely destroyed their hunger and the feeling of the body. They have reason to be egoists: they are somebodies. Look in their eyes, there is nothing except ego.

Their bodies may be almost dead but their egos are at the supreme-most peak. They have become Everests. These monks and saints will not be able to understand what Bankei means.He says, “We know only one miracle — to allow nature to have its own course. We don’t interfere.” If you don’t interfere, you will disappear. Fighting is the way to be there. People come to me and ask how to drop the ego. I tell them, Who will drop it? If you try to drop it you will be the ego, and someday you will claim that you have dropped the ego. And who is this claimer, who is claiming it? This is the ego, and the most subtle ego always tries to pretend egolessness.

I also know only one miracle, to let nature have its course, to allow it. Whatsoever is happening, don’t interfere, don’t come in the way, and suddenly you will disappear. You cannot be there without resistance, fight, aggression, violence; the ego exists through resistance. This has to be understood very deeply — the more you fight, the more you will be there.


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Shakespear ? For what is in a name?
God - do not respect the Person

Person is?
Personifies

Seems like the actual entity. Seems.
Misnomer?

Stories presented to provide edges.
Of a box?

The monkey said speak your name as he holds the calabash?
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Nice opening post.

I only have one thing to say.



hf
The dreamer and the dream
One awakens inside the other
To rediscover itself once again
Have you hugged yourself today?