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As the so-called "Mayan doomsday" approaches, the Mayans of Guatemala are speaking out against what some are calling a government- and tour business-led effort to profit off misinterpretations of their traditions.

"We are speaking out against deceit, lies and twisting of the truth, and turning us into folklore-for-profit. They are not telling the truth about time cycles," said Felipe Gomez, who leads a Maya alliance called Oxlaljuj Ajpop, in an interview this week with Agence France-Presse.

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jerkit

go do some reading, doom-tard...
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I was at the Ruinas Iximiche in Guatemala in 2010 and with the assistance of my Guatemalan brother in law, I spoke to a Maya elder woman about 12/21/2012....reason being my daughter celebrates her 17th birthday on 12/23/2012 and she was concerned about the 'end of the world' stuff...so we asked the Maya lady and she opened up a very large, thick book and flipped though the beautifully inscribed pages to what I assume was the date in question. She said no, it will not be the end of the world, it is merely the beginning of a new era.

That was good enough for me. Straight from the Maya's mouth.

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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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failed?

no, it's called Genocide.

we're lucky there are a few left

at the height of medieval europe, south and meso-american cities surpassed them in many ways and they completely over-awed the spanish invaders.

as i said to an earlier poster : go do some reading.
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As the so-called "Mayan doomsday" approaches, the Mayans of Guatemala are speaking out against what some are calling a government- and tour business-led effort to profit off misinterpretations of their traditions.

"We are speaking out against deceit, lies and twisting of the truth, and turning us into folklore-for-profit. They are not telling the truth about time cycles," said Felipe Gomez, who leads a Maya alliance called Oxlaljuj Ajpop, in an interview this week with Agence France-Presse.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


mayans never talked about the end of the world.

they talked about a cycle coming to an end. and a new cycle to begin.

Now what would that mean ??

What cycle ?

LOL, cycles are not always bad, getting out of the baby cycle and becoming a kid means you have become more free. But also you lost something.

damned

The Bantum cycle ends. Period. What does that mean ? We will see. Relax ! And be prepared for the worst.
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As the so-called "Mayan doomsday" approaches, the Mayans of Guatemala are speaking out against what some are calling a government- and tour business-led effort to profit off misinterpretations of their traditions.

"We are speaking out against deceit, lies and twisting of the truth, and turning us into folklore-for-profit. They are not telling the truth about time cycles," said Felipe Gomez, who leads a Maya alliance called Oxlaljuj Ajpop, in an interview this week with Agence France-Presse.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


mayans never talked about the end of the world.

they talked about a cycle coming to an end. and a new cycle to begin.

Now what would that mean ??

What cycle ?

LOL, cycles are not always bad, getting out of the baby cycle and becoming a kid means you have become more free. But also you lost something.

damned

The Bantum cycle ends. Period. What does that mean ? We will see. Relax ! And be prepared for the worst.
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I would say when December 21st gets here and nothing happens all the doom-tards will wake up. But I know better. They'll just pick some new date and say, "Oh we really meant that THIS was the date."
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I was at the Ruinas Iximiche in Guatemala in 2010 and with the assistance of my Guatemalan brother in law, I spoke to a Maya elder woman about 12/21/2012....reason being my daughter celebrates her 17th birthday on 12/23/2012 and she was concerned about the 'end of the world' stuff...so we asked the Maya lady and she opened up a very large, thick book and flipped though the beautifully inscribed pages to what I assume was the date in question. She said no, it will not be the end of the world, it is merely the beginning of a new era.

That was good enough for me. Straight from the Maya's mouth.
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That is an awesome personal anecdote...

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geez, they can have their recognition for the end of the worlds!
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Everything's a scam, the "Mayans" icluded!

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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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failed?

no, it's called Genocide.

we're lucky there are a few left

at the height of medieval europe, south and meso-american cities surpassed them in many ways and they completely over-awed the spanish invaders.

as i said to an earlier poster : go do some reading.
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Agree, it was a genocide to begin with, and then came the catholic church .... in SS mode.

Cholula, Mexico ... .
The living and for all to see catholic church perception of the world and beyond.

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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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failed?

no, it's called Genocide.

we're lucky there are a few left

at the height of medieval europe, south and meso-american cities surpassed them in many ways and they completely over-awed the spanish invaders.

as i said to an earlier poster : go do some reading.
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


You mean homicide, don't you? The maya civilization was already in serious decline prior to euro contact.

Please don't expose yourself as just another uninformed idiot looking to fill in some hole of latent guilt.
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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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failed?

no, it's called Genocide.

we're lucky there are a few left

at the height of medieval europe, south and meso-american cities surpassed them in many ways and they completely over-awed the spanish invaders.

as i said to an earlier poster : go do some reading.
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


You mean homicide, don't you? The maya civilization was already in serious decline prior to euro contact.

Please don't expose yourself as just another uninformed idiot looking to fill in some hole of latent guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26940323


Homicide is the murder of an individual.

Genocide is the destruction of an entire race/culture/people, regardless of their size.

Before you call someone an 'uninformed idiot' you might want to know the definition of the words you use.
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I would say when December 21st gets here and nothing happens all the doom-tards will wake up. But I know better. They'll just pick some new date and say, "Oh we really meant that THIS was the date."
 Quoting: SkepticalWordSmith


It doesn't matter if something happens or not.
A cycle ends.

If it ends
one second earlier or later,
one minute earlier or later, or
one hour earlier or later, or
one day earlier or later, or
one month earlier or later
...

it does not matter. Time does not really matter. It matters only because you think your life is under the law of time.
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Oxlaljuj Ajpop... you kidding me!? 1rof1
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Before you call someone an 'uninformed idiot' you might want to know the definition of the words you use.
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And before you go telling anyone what they should do you might wanna go fuck yourself, lol.
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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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thats rich coming from an american!! the maya knew more about life and the universe than you could ever know and what have you or yours left behind that has real meaning and wisdom??at least they used their brains for forward thinking and not total destruction of the world through wars and domination.
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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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thats rich coming from an american!! the maya knew more about life and the universe than you could ever know and what have you or yours left behind that has real meaning and wisdom??at least they used their brains for forward thinking and not total destruction of the world through wars and domination.
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I was at the Ruinas Iximiche in Guatemala in 2010 and with the assistance of my Guatemalan brother in law, I spoke to a Maya elder woman about 12/21/2012....reason being my daughter celebrates her 17th birthday on 12/23/2012 and she was concerned about the 'end of the world' stuff...so we asked the Maya lady and she opened up a very large, thick book and flipped though the beautifully inscribed pages to what I assume was the date in question. She said no, it will not be the end of the world, it is merely the beginning of a new era.

That was good enough for me. Straight from the Maya's mouth.
 Quoting: ExoPoliChick


That is an awesome personal anecdote...
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Thank you. It's something I will never forget.
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~ Hitchens

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I would say when December 21st gets here and nothing happens all the doom-tards will wake up. But I know better. They'll just pick some new date and say, "Oh we really meant that THIS was the date."
 Quoting: SkepticalWordSmith


It doesn't matter if something happens or not.
A cycle ends.

If it ends
one second earlier or later,
one minute earlier or later, or
one hour earlier or later, or
one day earlier or later, or
one month earlier or later
...

it does not matter. Time does not really matter. It matters only because you think your life is under the law of time.
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Time is different, where ever you are. One day on one place could be 100 years for you on this earth.

Cycles have a different meaning. They are not related to earth time.

There is always a time for winter season, springtime, summer, automn, and cleaning up, and then anew, winter season, springtime, summer ... .
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Why now? I wonder....
why come out about this when everyone will know one way or the other here in less than 2 months?
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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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failed?

no, it's called Genocide.

we're lucky there are a few left

at the height of medieval europe, south and meso-american cities surpassed them in many ways and they completely over-awed the spanish invaders.

as i said to an earlier poster : go do some reading.
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Meh. The Mayans were already deep in decline when the Spanish arrived. The worst hit already happened some time before the 11th century. By the time the Spanish arrived they were a bunch of warring city states and their neighbors happily helped the Spanish conquest. Usually the Spanish had 100-1000 Spaniards and thousands or tens of thousands of natives in their armies.
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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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failed?

no, it's called Genocide.

we're lucky there are a few left

at the height of medieval europe, south and meso-american cities surpassed them in many ways and they completely over-awed the spanish invaders.

as i said to an earlier poster : go do some reading.
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


You mean homicide, don't you? The maya civilization was already in serious decline prior to euro contact.

Please don't expose yourself as just another uninformed idiot looking to fill in some hole of latent guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26940323


let's see how uninformed you are, then

we're talking about an entire race. "mayan" is a civilization. there were many other civilizations, belonging to the same western race. any of them who followed a calendar followed the "mayan" calendar. that calenday is much older than the maya.

don't call someone ignorant until you've done the reading yourself, smart-guy.
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Why now? I wonder....
why come out about this when everyone will know one way or the other here in less than 2 months?
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It is very rare, when cycles interact with humans. In that case special preparation are done to make sure.

Normally, a flesh and blood person should be concerned of his own cycle, and not the great cycle.

Even in the normal human cycle all help, love and wisdom is deployed to ensure the best outcome.

How much more help, love and wisdom will be deployed to ensure the bantum.

Do not worry, my children. Be quiet like water, and strong in me, your father.
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maya smaya, bunch of crap from a failed people that privileged white people affix "special meaning" to make themselves feel prescient.
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failed?

no, it's called Genocide.

we're lucky there are a few left

at the height of medieval europe, south and meso-american cities surpassed them in many ways and they completely over-awed the spanish invaders.

as i said to an earlier poster : go do some reading.
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


You mean homicide, don't you? The maya civilization was already in serious decline prior to euro contact.

Please don't expose yourself as just another uninformed idiot looking to fill in some hole of latent guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26940323


let's see how uninformed you are, then

we're talking about an entire race. "mayan" is a civilization. there were many other civilizations, belonging to the same western race. any of them who followed a calendar followed the "mayan" calendar. that calenday is much older than the maya.

don't call someone ignorant until you've done the reading yourself, smart-guy.
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Hahaha, just wtf is "mayan" then? That phrase doesn't exit. If you're going to misrepresent a whole people then at least do it with the correct terminology: it's Maya.
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failed?

no, it's called Genocide.

we're lucky there are a few left

at the height of medieval europe, south and meso-american cities surpassed them in many ways and they completely over-awed the spanish invaders.

as i said to an earlier poster : go do some reading.
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


You mean homicide, don't you? The maya civilization was already in serious decline prior to euro contact.

Please don't expose yourself as just another uninformed idiot looking to fill in some hole of latent guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26940323


let's see how uninformed you are, then

we're talking about an entire race. "mayan" is a civilization. there were many other civilizations, belonging to the same western race. any of them who followed a calendar followed the "mayan" calendar. that calenday is much older than the maya.

don't call someone ignorant until you've done the reading yourself, smart-guy.
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


Hahaha, just wtf is "mayan" then? That phrase doesn't exit. If you're going to misrepresent a whole people then at least do it with the correct terminology: it's Maya.
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bawler

well, if you understand the English Language you would realize that "Mayan" is a word that means "belonging to the Maya". but you obviously speak American which why you're acting like a dick.

i'm going to go ahead and assume that you didn't even read the article and simply felt like being a pedantic cunt since "Mayan" is used several times in the article itself.
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As the so-called "Mayan doomsday" approaches, the Mayans of Guatemala are speaking out against what some are calling a government- and tour business-led effort to profit off misinterpretations of their traditions.

"We are speaking out against deceit, lies and twisting of the truth, and turning us into folklore-for-profit. They are not telling the truth about time cycles," said Felipe Gomez, who leads a Maya alliance called Oxlaljuj Ajpop, in an interview this week with Agence France-Presse.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


trip that you mentioned this........just today they(Guatemala) had a earthquake...dude that thing killed thousands i heard.....

by the way ...maya means illusion

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