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A plot hole missed by many people who follow the ancient mythological(Or real.) battle of Enki and Enlil

 
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Thread: Enki vs Enlil - Whose side are you on?
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After reading these, I have found one of the biggest plot holes in the belief that Enki and Enlil are going to be responsible for the end of the earth.

I am going to put a small disclaimer here, saying I do not believe that Enki and Enlil are even real, but I am always open to the possibility that they are real. I am just a skeptic, and an observer/watcher of many different "theories" that are existent in modern days.

Alright, if Enki is Lucifer, the good guy, And Enlil is Yahweh, the bad guy who discredited Luficer by making up tales about this, how is it, that in both Jewish/Christian/Islamic AND Sumerian/Grecian/Egyptian/Aztec/Global Truth/Lucifarian religions, that it is stated that the "bad guy" has always claimed to be the "good guy in name." I see no where where Enlil says he is Enki. The bible, the so called "Enlil" religion, states that God, who people believe is Enki, states that Lucifer, who people think is Enlil, shall calim to be him, and claim to be the holy one. Zeus,Yahweh,Shiva, etc, have never claimed to be there rival. However, there rivals, right down to the littlest detail, (Aka, Tales of Poseidon impersonating Zeus, Shiva doing the same, etc) have claimed to be the ultimate God. This is even mentioned in ancient Sumerian tablets.

So this means, that what many of you call Enlil, is really Enki, making HIM the good guy, and who you call Enki, being Enlil, the evil one. They are the same, but there tales have been swapped.

Enki, who is successively, in more modern versions of the tales, and by some interpretation, is the father of Quetzalcoatl. How many times is the good guy, Luficer, who people THINK was the good guy, said to give his Son to prevent people from the destruction of earth? None. However, Yahweh does, in the form of Jesus, in the bible story.

Tl;Dr:

People think

Enlil = Yahweh = Evil

Enki = Lucifer = Good.

Legend, Tablets, and Tradition of the Sumerians say

Enki = Yahweh = Good

Enlil = Luficer = Neutral/Evil.




That is all I have to say for now, and I know that most of you will label this bsflag in seconds, but the sumerians, who these tales are based off, say other wise. All the tales that you know as fact, have been swapped, according to theory, meaning the deeds of Enlil are Enki's, and the deeds of Enki's being the ones done by Enlil.

This ends my theory.

starwars Ta ta for now!
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Because humans make mistakes, and are easily led by educated individuals with agendas.
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nice work

but that argument was over long ago they have no quarrels
enlil was exiled for rape yada yada they argued/fought yada yada made up brothers being brothers

Marduk claimed supremacy they said he was crazy and blew shit up

its Marduk and Thoth that is fucking shit up

brother vs brother

Thoth wins this one btw becuz Marduk is trapped and not happy about it LOLOLOL

Marduk hates mankind- Scorpio-ares-mars-Pluto
Thoth loves mankind is Mercury-Virgo-Gemini
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Marduk exiled Thoth. Thoth went to S.America and was called quetzalcoatl
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So, it has been a long established fact that Enki and Enlil have had there positions re-arranged? Ah, my bad. I now feel guilty about making this thread, instead of coming up with something that actually was legit.

So, from what I understand from Akkadian, and Babylonian mytholgy, Enki and Enlil have ALWAYS been a bunch of jelouse kids running around, while Marduk is the big wig. Or so the translated tablets say. Then again, translations have often been proved wrong.

So, in that case, where does Thoth play in?

The Thoth and Marduk scenario makes it sound like Enki and Enlil are just stupid kids, and THEY are the big wigs, and for all we know, Enlil and Enki could of claimed the glory from Marduk and Thoth.

We have discovered this for sure though. There are, in all religions, atleast Two big supernatual forces fighting one another.
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Always goes back to good vs evil
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And we are their genetic offspring.
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A plot hole is by it's own defined box a paradox.

What is real other than your perception of it?

Did you learn or do you know?

Arc degrees of the micro and the macro determine "the real".

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M.. ? Well if you look at the people on the plates themselfs then you can clearly see that its because of the slave workload and blahblah
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That to produce fun stuff takes more then fun and like as if only one enjoys it with zillions sicker then they ever wanted to.
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Thoth=Jesus or Jesus=Thoth
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Jesus loves and protects us and that makes HIM the good guy. I don't know anything about religion, just the results of prayer.

Just my opinion based on my experience.
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Why the human urge to divide reality in Good vs Evil?
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Because humans have emotions, and some have positive emotions, and negative emotions, and divide what emotion they like better, or is guided by there morals, and there dogmas, and divide them into good and evil.
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bump

Also, sorry for not logging in on my last post.
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Hatred of humanity does not make a thing evil. Man is evil. Loving man for the evil he does is evil. You're trying to understand a divine conflict from a perspective entirely antipodal to the forces carrying it out. The evil element is within you; it doesn't have to be.
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Thread: Enki vs Enlil - Whose side are you on?
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After reading these, I have found one of the biggest plot holes in the belief that Enki and Enlil are going to be responsible for the end of the earth.

I am going to put a small disclaimer here, saying I do not believe that Enki and Enlil are even real, but I am always open to the possibility that they are real. I am just a skeptic, and an observer/watcher of many different "theories" that are existent in modern days.

Alright, if Enki is Lucifer, the good guy, And Enlil is Yahweh, the bad guy who discredited Luficer by making up tales about this, how is it, that in both Jewish/Christian/Islamic AND Sumerian/Grecian/Egyptian/Aztec/Global Truth/Lucifarian religions, that it is stated that the "bad guy" has always claimed to be the "good guy in name." I see no where where Enlil says he is Enki. The bible, the so called "Enlil" religion, states that God, who people believe is Enki, states that Lucifer, who people think is Enlil, shall calim to be him, and claim to be the holy one. Zeus,Yahweh,Shiva, etc, have never claimed to be there rival. However, there rivals, right down to the littlest detail, (Aka, Tales of Poseidon impersonating Zeus, Shiva doing the same, etc) have claimed to be the ultimate God. This is even mentioned in ancient Sumerian tablets.

So this means, that what many of you call Enlil, is really Enki, making HIM the good guy, and who you call Enki, being Enlil, the evil one. They are the same, but there tales have been swapped.

Enki, who is successively, in more modern versions of the tales, and by some interpretation, is the father of Quetzalcoatl. How many times is the good guy, Luficer, who people THINK was the good guy, said to give his Son to prevent people from the destruction of earth? None. However, Yahweh does, in the form of Jesus, in the bible story.

Tl;Dr:

People think

Enlil = Yahweh = Evil

Enki = Lucifer = Good.

Legend, Tablets, and Tradition of the Sumerians say

Enki = Yahweh = Good

Enlil = Luficer = Neutral/Evil.




That is all I have to say for now, and I know that most of you will label this bsflag in seconds, but the sumerians, who these tales are based off, say other wise. All the tales that you know as fact, have been swapped, according to theory, meaning the deeds of Enlil are Enki's, and the deeds of Enki's being the ones done by Enlil.

This ends my theory.

starwars Ta ta for now!
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I think you are terribly confused. It's very clear, if you read the ancient sumerian writings who is who and Enki is the good guy and he tried to save mankind from the flood.
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Hatred of humanity does not make a thing evil. Man is evil. Loving man for the evil he does is evil. You're trying to understand a divine conflict from a perspective entirely antipodal to the forces carrying it out. The evil element is within you; it doesn't have to be.
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I believe that Man has a sin nature. And I believe, without salvation, man is purely evil.

However, I am attempting to be unbiased here, and in a philosophical viewpoint, instead of one based off belief, for once, to be different.
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Because humans have emotions, and some have positive emotions, and negative emotions, and divide what emotion they like better, or is guided by there morals, and there dogmas, and divide them into good and evil.
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This is absolutely true. We live in a world of polarities, these are the major beliefs of Christians; the tree of good and evil.

Until you reach a certain level and no longer judge each experience as good or bad and believe no evil exists.
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Why the human urge to divide reality in Good vs Evil?
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duality! divide and conquer!

die = duality inspired experiance!

one can only die if he/she beleive in duality concepts!
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
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Hatred of humanity does not make a thing evil. Man is evil. Loving man for the evil he does is evil. You're trying to understand a divine conflict from a perspective entirely antipodal to the forces carrying it out. The evil element is within you; it doesn't have to be.
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I believe that Man has a sin nature. And I believe, without salvation, man is purely evil.

However, I am attempting to be unbiased here, and in a philosophical viewpoint, instead of one based off belief, for once, to be different.
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I believe that man is basically good.
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After reading these, I have found one of the biggest plot holes in the belief that Enki and Enlil are going to be responsible for the end of the earth.

I am going to put a small disclaimer here, saying I do not believe that Enki and Enlil are even real, but I am always open to the possibility that they are real. I am just a skeptic, and an observer/watcher of many different "theories" that are existent in modern days.

Alright, if Enki is Lucifer, the good guy, And Enlil is Yahweh, the bad guy who discredited Luficer by making up tales about this, how is it, that in both Jewish/Christian/Islamic AND Sumerian/Grecian/Egyptian/Aztec/Global Truth/Lucifarian religions, that it is stated that the "bad guy" has always claimed to be the "good guy in name." I see no where where Enlil says he is Enki. The bible, the so called "Enlil" religion, states that God, who people believe is Enki, states that Lucifer, who people think is Enlil, shall calim to be him, and claim to be the holy one. Zeus,Yahweh,Shiva, etc, have never claimed to be there rival. However, there rivals, right down to the littlest detail, (Aka, Tales of Poseidon impersonating Zeus, Shiva doing the same, etc) have claimed to be the ultimate God. This is even mentioned in ancient Sumerian tablets.

So this means, that what many of you call Enlil, is really Enki, making HIM the good guy, and who you call Enki, being Enlil, the evil one. They are the same, but there tales have been swapped.

Enki, who is successively, in more modern versions of the tales, and by some interpretation, is the father of Quetzalcoatl. How many times is the good guy, Luficer, who people THINK was the good guy, said to give his Son to prevent people from the destruction of earth? None. However, Yahweh does, in the form of Jesus, in the bible story.

Tl;Dr:

People think

Enlil = Yahweh = Evil

Enki = Lucifer = Good.

Legend, Tablets, and Tradition of the Sumerians say

Enki = Yahweh = Good

Enlil = Luficer = Neutral/Evil.




That is all I have to say for now, and I know that most of you will label this bsflag in seconds, but the sumerians, who these tales are based off, say other wise. All the tales that you know as fact, have been swapped, according to theory, meaning the deeds of Enlil are Enki's, and the deeds of Enki's being the ones done by Enlil.

This ends my theory.

starwars Ta ta for now!
 Quoting: Fyreball


I think you are terribly confused. It's very clear, if you read the ancient sumerian writings who is who and Enki is the good guy and he tried to save mankind from the flood.
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Prometheus also saved mankind from total annihilation at a time when they were wholly evil, shameless, and unrepentantly wicked, refusing to acknowledge even the very notion of divinity (Prometheus included), opting instead to lead themselves endlessly into further ruin and desolation.

Prometheus defied all the divines to save man, and for what? Nothing changed, unless for the worse. Man was only given more tools to mete out his own evil.
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Hatred of humanity does not make a thing evil. Man is evil. Loving man for the evil he does is evil. You're trying to understand a divine conflict from a perspective entirely antipodal to the forces carrying it out. The evil element is within you; it doesn't have to be.
 Quoting: AGC


I believe that Man has a sin nature. And I believe, without salvation, man is purely evil.

However, I am attempting to be unbiased here, and in a philosophical viewpoint, instead of one based off belief, for once, to be different.
 Quoting: Fyreball


I believe that man is basically good.
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Man is basically benign, no different from any animal. Herd enough of em together and they become a panicky, violent, unruly mass of meaningless moving parts.
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What differs all the great heroes of our time from being villains? Is it only in the eyes of the beholder, or, is there really a moral sliding scale? Who says what society says is wrong? That is the reason we need to observe things from all angles, even if they are myths.
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Since the {GODS} are always identified with planets.
It may be that these names are the names of interstellar civilizations from a long time back.

People like to name things after their favorite places, or people.

Perhaps Egypt, Summer, Babylon, Enlil, Enki, were all names of interstellar civilizations.

Folks chose to name their towns and cities after the places they remembered, wanted to remember, or liked the best?

Imagining these names as people could be a misunderstanding.

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Once upon a time there was no snake, there was no scorpion,

There was no hyena, there was no lion,
There was no wild dog, no wolf,
There was no fear, no terror,
Man had no rival.

In those days, the lands of Subur (and) Hamazi,
Harmony-tongued Sumer, the great land of the decrees of princeship,
Uri, the land having all that is appropriate,
The land Martu, resting in security,
The whole universe, the people in unison
To Enlil in one tongue [spoke].

(Then) Enki, the lord of abundance (whose) commands are trustworthy,
The lord of wisdom, who understands the land,
The leader of the gods,
Endowed with wisdom, the lord of Eridu
Changed the speech in their mouths, [brought] contention into it,


Into the speech of man that (until then) had been one.

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