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Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?

 
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Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
Why is such an ammendment to Kentucky's state constitution needed?

The exact wording of the proposed constitutional ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky is as follows:

Are you in favor of ammending the Kentucky Constitution to state that the citizens of Kentucky have the personal right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife, subject to laws and regulations that promote conservation and preserve the future of hunting and fishing, and to state that public hunting and fishing shall be a preferred means of managing and controlling wildlife?

[link to ballotpedia.org]

Why does the Kentucky House of Representative feel it is necessary to explicitly specify in the state's constitution that it is a personal right of Kentuckians to be able to hunt, fish, and "harvest wildlife"?

Also, this measure was introduced into the Kentucky House of Representatives by democrats Leslie Combs and Greg Stumbo. Since when have democrats been in favor of protecting public rights relating to hunting and fishing?

In my opinion, the language in the proposed constitutional ammendment is potentially problematic because it explicitly states that this personal right of Kentucky citizens to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife is subject to laws and regulations that promote conservation.

For me, the language in the proposed ammendment is also potentially problematic because it appears that by adopting the ammendment, hunting, fishing, and "harvesting of wildlife" on privately owned lands could also, and for the first time ever, become subject to laws and regulations that promote conservation.

Such a statement appears benign when the laws and regulations in place are not restrictive. However, laws and regulations, especially ones that are designed toward promoting conservation, have been notoriously restrictive toward the use of public lands for hunting and/or fishing purposes in many, many other places in the past.

As a matter of information, the National Rifle Association (NRA) is in favor of passage of this proposed ammendment to Kentucky's state constitution. Here is a paragraph of the NRA's position on Kentucky's proposed ammendment that is taken from the NRA Institute for Legislative Action's website:

"The National Rifle Association has been working throughout the country to adopt meaningful state Right to Hunt and Fish constitutional amendments for good reason. We see what the well-funded “animal rights” extremist groups are doing to erode our sporting heritage in countless states. To assume the attacks will never come to Kentucky is naïve."

[link to www.nraila.org]

Please tell me whether you feel there could be a hidden agenda behind proposing this constitutional ammendment and what that hidden agenda could be.

In deciding whether you think the proposed constitutional ammendment is a good thing or a bad thing for Kentuckians, please keep in mind that Kentucky is known for its outstanding white-tailed deer and turkey hunting as well as its fishing.

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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
It is not so much that they are defining it or protecting it.. I think they are setting the ground work to prevent it or control it.

This section is what concerns me: "subject to laws and regulations that promote conservation and preserve the future of hunting and fishing"

What is to stop them from making a law that says no hunting, and no fishing, or only certain groups can, or can't?

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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
Thats a constituion for a corporation, not the land known as the republic of kentucky.

Kentucky was defeated in the war between the states (although neutral) by lack of standing for its rights.

All of its citizens (presumed) have aligned themselves as USCtizens instead of Kentuckians ..

this is treason ..


so you get a corporate constitution
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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
It is not so much that they are defining it or protecting it.. I think they are setting the ground work to prevent it or control it.

This section is what concerns me: "subject to laws and regulations that promote conservation and preserve the future of hunting and fishing"

What is to stop them from making a law that says no hunting, and no fishing, or only certain groups can, or can't?
 Quoting: iamlizzyb


That's exactly the language that concerns me the most too and for the reasons you stated.

I feel that the government wants this ammendment to be approved "under the radar" so to speak with the purpose of "codifying" increased control of the government over hunting and fishing in Kentucky, making it subject to planned "conservation-oriented" legislation that has not yet been proposed or passed.
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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
It is not so much that they are defining it or protecting it.. I think they are setting the ground work to prevent it or control it.

This section is what concerns me: "subject to laws and regulations that promote conservation and preserve the future of hunting and fishing"

What is to stop them from making a law that says no hunting, and no fishing, or only certain groups can, or can't?
 Quoting: iamlizzyb

You could be right, they must have some ideas in their minds. But couldn't it be those rights have been under attack in some way and they just want to protect them ?
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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
It is not so much that they are defining it or protecting it.. I think they are setting the ground work to prevent it or control it.

This section is what concerns me: "subject to laws and regulations that promote conservation and preserve the future of hunting and fishing"

What is to stop them from making a law that says no hunting, and no fishing, or only certain groups can, or can't?
 Quoting: iamlizzyb


That's exactly the language that concerns me the most too and for the reasons you stated.

I feel that the government wants this ammendment to be approved "under the radar" so to speak with the purpose of "codifying" increased control of the government over hunting and fishing in Kentucky, making it subject to planned "conservation-oriented" legislation that has not yet been proposed or passed.
 Quoting: Biochemky

I will have to correct the position I just took in my other reply, I suppose. I have a feeling for some time now, more and more regulation about this and that has been put in place, here in Belgium but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a general trend, US included.
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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
I think it's because hunters want to ensure their "right" to basically take over all land/parks in Kentucky to hunt, giving the hunters the right to run roughshod over other users such as land owners, and public land users such as hikers, bikers, horseback riders,campers etc. Hunters in KY regurgitate the "hunters do more for conservation than anyone else therefore they're the alpha users of all land". EVERYTHING done by KDFW is done under the guise of conservation. I wouldn't be concerned with the verbage.

An example was when Otter Creek Nature preserve ( which had been a protected park for decades (and users enjoyed relatively tame wildlife/deer) was taken over by the state, they immediately allowed hunters to come in and spoil the park. Otter Creek was one of FEW parks that didn't allow hunting, and it was a great place to get out and see nature. The moment the state took it over from Jefferson County, they opened the doors to hunters. This was especially rediculous since the adjoining properties owned by Fort Knox has thousands of acres for hunting, and there are hunting WMA's all over the damn state already...and yet hunters want more more more.

Hunters want the right to run their coon hounds on privately owned land. Hunters are already causing a stink over wanting the right to run hounds after bears, and bears have only just now even begun to be seen in the state.

The verbage isn't meant to eventually allow for hunters rights to be taken away. On the contrary,the NRA is pushing hunters to push this legislation in many states in order to position themselves for MORE control when they already have (IMHO) TOO MUCH control already. If anything, land owners, hikers, bikers, and non hunting residents should be concerned with this legislation. Not hunters.

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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
I don't hunt or fish, but I am an herbal wildcrafter. Would the harvest of wild plants fall under such a law? It generally falls under "wildlife," right?

As the law goes, I need a permit to harvest anything over 200 dollars worth from a Nat'l forest (federal land), but none on private land beyond landowner's consent. Nowhere can I harvest endangered or federally protected plants, and in AZ, for instance, I cannot harvest prickly pear, though it is under no stress and couldn't be eliminated if you tried. Point is, some cases make sense, others don't. I can see the clause in question from both sides...
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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
I think it's because hunters want to ensure their "right" to basically take over all land/parks in Kentucky to hunt, giving the hunters the right to run roughshod over other users such as land owners, and public land users such as hikers, bikers, horseback riders,campers etc. Hunters in KY regurgitate the "hunters do more for conservation than anyone else therefore they're the alpha users of all land". EVERYTHING done by KDFW is done under the guise of conservation. I wouldn't be concerned with the verbage.

An example was when Otter Creek Nature preserve ( which had been a protected park for decades (and users enjoyed relatively tame wildlife/deer) was taken over by the state, they immediately allowed hunters to come in and spoil the park. Otter Creek was one of FEW parks that didn't allow hunting, and it was a great place to get out and see nature. The moment the state took it over from Jefferson County, they opened the doors to hunters. This was especially rediculous since the adjoining properties owned by Fort Knox has thousands of acres for hunting, and there are hunting WMA's all over the damn state already...and yet hunters want more more more.

Hunters want the right to run their coon hounds on privately owned land. Hunters are already causing a stink over wanting the right to run hounds after bears, and bears have only just now even begun to be seen in the state.

The verbage isn't meant to eventually allow for hunters rights to be taken away. On the contrary,the NRA is pushing hunters to push this legislation in many states in order to position themselves for MORE control when they already have (IMHO) TOO MUCH control already. If anything, land owners, hikers, bikers, and non hunting residents should be concerned with this legislation. Not hunters.
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Hi neighbor

Hate hunters much?

I had venison tenderloin tonight I harvested myself Saturday ... Ummm it was tasty
Signed

The Patriot Mind

* please read "The Creature from Jykell Island" short easy read on how federal reserve was founded... Then follow that up with the movie "America: Freedom to Fascism "
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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
It may be in response to yet another of Obama's executive orders that was issued in March of 2012.

What all this means is that the U.S. government now claims the power to simply march onto your farm with guns drawn and demand all your crops, seeds, livestock and farm equipment.

Learn more: [link to www.naturalnews.com]

There's a link at the site to the executive order so you can read it for yourself.
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Re: Why is there a Constitutional Ammendment on the ballot in Kentucky which states it is a citizen's right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife?
cuz some Bubba representative got up and made a speech of how that evil commie muslim Barry Obama is gonna outlaw hunting and every gullible republican hillbilly sheeple in the trailer park bought it and threw money at him...that's my best guess...