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THE HOW TOO THREAD FOR SAND STORAGE OF VEGTABLES AND OTHER THINGS. FOOD TO LAST ALL YEAR...!

 
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OK. So you want to store some vegtables.

First things first. LOCATION is everything. Pick a spot thats cool and dark but won't freeze. Well insulated outbuilding or cool corner in the basement works.

The storage box: Make it out of plywood and paint the plywood so it does not attract mold. Put a lid on it.

Sand: Clean sand. CLEAN. You can dig it out of a bank just about anywhere. Make sure its dry and without foreign material. Screen it if you have too.

Place about 6 inches of sand on the bottom to start. Place your vegtables so they are close but not touching each other. Make a layer and then place enough sand on them to fill in the gaps and cover them lightly. A couple of inches works. Then repeat. My boxes are about 3 feet deep. Don't fill right to the top. Leave some room for a little bit of circulation.

Preparing your vegtables: You can store things like potatoes. Carrots. Beets. Turnips. Parsnips. Apples in sand. You would be amazed at how long they will store like this. Up to a year in some cases.

Cabbage stores for a long time a but not in sand use burlap sacks for them. Remember cool and dark.

Squashes and Pumpkins also will keep for a very long time but best to layer them in clean dry straw. Squashes and Pumkins need to be treated first where their stems were otherwise they will start to get moldy around their stems . Cut off whats left of their stems short. I use cold water and bleach. I wash them in the cold water bleach solution and then dry them off really good before storage.

In a typical kitchen sink I fill it 3/4 full and add about an ounce of bleach. After I treat the stem area with a dab of straight bleach.

Thats how easy it is too store a huge pile of fresh vegtables for a very long time for you and your family.

Anybody else with storage idea's please feel free to add to this thread. The more idea's the better for everybody. Enjoy...!

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Onions also. Forgot about them. Burlap or paper bags or straw, Space them folks. NEVER EVER keep things in plastic bags. They trap moisture and rot shit so fast. Plastic bags are the enemy.

Dry Sand and Dry Straw. DRY
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Thanks OP! Great stuff, low tech and zero energy.
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Onions also. Forgot about them. Burlap or paper bags or straw, Space them folks. NEVER EVER keep things in plastic bags. They trap moisture and rot shit so fast. Plastic bags are the enemy.

Dry Sand and Dry Straw. DRY
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I remember seeing onions braided and hung like garlic. I dont know if its before or after the stems drys
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Newspaper works in a pinch for all the above. If you have a shreader save the stuff and use it. Paper absorbs lots of moisture also.

Sawdust works also but packs down so not to many layers of it like sand. 3 layers tops.
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Those so called Green Bags plastic bags that let food vent well for long term storage they are not that great at all. Only short term in your fridge deal.
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"hey there! it's great that you survived the nuclear first strike scenario, now pull up a chair and enjoy some bleached pumpkin and sandy turnip, you'll wish you died in the blast wave!"
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"hey there! it's great that you survived the nuclear first strike scenario, now pull up a chair and enjoy some bleached pumpkin and sandy turnip, you'll wish you died in the blast wave!"
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You ass. You wash things before you eat them. Starve to death if you want. While the rest of us have vegtables for over a year to eat from. What a jerk.
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"hey there! it's great that you survived the nuclear first strike scenario, now pull up a chair and enjoy some bleached pumpkin and sandy turnip, you'll wish you died in the blast wave!"
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You ass. You wash things before you eat them. Starve to death if you want. While the rest of us have vegtables for over a year to eat from. What a jerk.
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oh come on, relax OP if you want to 'spread the knowledge' in brutal seriousness then make a page on about.com or some shit.

if someone didn't grow but instead bought the produce and stored it and then the prices fell wouldn't one feel a little stupid eating three month old fruit and veg when you can get fresh stuff cheaper?
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Hello. You would be truly amazed at how fresh your vegtables will stay if stored properly. Just like the day you bought them.

Go by fresh. But this is for long term storage and for preppers. You rotate your vegtables also. Thats why you don't burry them to deep.

I have pulled my vegtables out of the boxes and they are like fresh picked.

This is about food security for a rainy day.

Since when does anything ever get cheaper as things go along.Buying in bulk will also save you tons of money.
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Yams and Sweet potatoes add them to the list of storable vegtables also. Sand and sawdust.

Califlower well as Broccoli. They really like newspaper also.

You can keep a whole grocery store in your boxes. You can eat better than you think for long periods of time in an emergency.

Sand also creats a barrier from contamination from chemical warfare and radiation with a lid on your box as well as covered with sand.
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Hey, OP, THANK YOU for these tips!

I have some extra wood and can get some sand.

I often get apples for 50 cents a pound here in the fall, and hate canning all of them. So this is a great idea for that! I also grow cabbage and carrots, and can't eat all of them during the season, so your tips are much appreciated.

One thing preppers can also do to ensure they get the vitamins and minerals of fresh vegetables in the winter: when you save your organic seeds, there are usually way too many to plant the next year (in my case, anyway). So I sprout these and have them all winter long. I have a large bag of brussel sprout and cabbage seeds that will last a long time. Onions work well, too.

Also buy organic beans in bulk, for both sprouting and planting (and soups and canning). This is much cheaper than buying a package of seeds to plant each year. If you plan to eat the sprouted beans raw, soak them overnite, then sprout on a tray (layer with paper towel, place another paper towel on top of beans, keep moist but not soaked). They sprout in a few days and are very nutritious. So far, I have never bought any organic beans that didn't sprout.

Even if you can't get to a store, you can have fresh vitamins and minerals at your fingertips.

And...I for one am glad GLP is so diversified. I learn a lot here.
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Hello. You would be truly amazed at how fresh your vegtables will stay if stored properly. Just like the day you bought them.

Go by fresh. But this is for long term storage and for preppers. You rotate your vegtables also. Thats why you don't burry them to deep.

I have pulled my vegtables out of the boxes and they are like fresh picked.

This is about food security for a rainy day.

Since when does anything ever get cheaper as things go along.Buying in bulk will also save you tons of money.
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This is all nice if you live anywhere other than the south. Down here there are no cool places. We don't have basements due to soil or water issues.
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Hey, OP, THANK YOU for these tips!

I have some extra wood and can get some sand.

I often get apples for 50 cents a pound here in the fall, and hate canning all of them. So this is a great idea for that! I also grow cabbage and carrots, and can't eat all of them during the season, so your tips are much appreciated.

One thing preppers can also do to ensure they get the vitamins and minerals of fresh vegetables in the winter: when you save your organic seeds, there are usually way too many to plant the next year (in my case, anyway). So I sprout these and have them all winter long. I have a large bag of brussel sprout and cabbage seeds that will last a long time. Onions work well, too.

Also buy organic beans in bulk, for both sprouting and planting (and soups and canning). This is much cheaper than buying a package of seeds to plant each year. If you plan to eat the sprouted beans raw, soak them overnite, then sprout on a tray (layer with paper towel, place another paper towel on top of beans, keep moist but not soaked). They sprout in a few days and are very nutritious. So far, I have never bought any organic beans that didn't sprout.

Even if you can't get to a store, you can have fresh vitamins and minerals at your fingertips.

And...I for one am glad GLP is so diversified. I learn a lot here.
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Lest we forget bean sprouts. Thanks for that. A little tray of them is easy to do. Very good for you. Requires no grow light just light from a window. Even cloudy days don't stop them from growing. They could keep you going in a pinch. Thanks for adding that.
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Hello. You would be truly amazed at how fresh your vegtables will stay if stored properly. Just like the day you bought them.

Go by fresh. But this is for long term storage and for preppers. You rotate your vegtables also. Thats why you don't burry them to deep.

I have pulled my vegtables out of the boxes and they are like fresh picked.

This is about food security for a rainy day.

Since when does anything ever get cheaper as things go along.Buying in bulk will also save you tons of money.
 Quoting: TrinityMountain


This is all nice if you live anywhere other than the south. Down here there are no cool places. We don't have basements due to soil or water issues.
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Your not thinking....! Out buidings...! Dig a hole 3 feet down in the groung then put a lid on it. Shady ares's are always cooler and you do have your winter type months. In ground not above ground. Works in the desert too.

You can store food below ground in a dugout. Its always cooler in the summer and will prevent freezing in the winter.

In ground is mother natures refridgerator.
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Thank you for this info OP.

Must the box be made of wood? Or will a large plastic container suffice?
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Wood will breath. Plastic traps moisture. Moisture is the enemy. A box built like a coffin. More long than tall works best. Not more than 3 feet deep. If you do use a plastic container don't get an air tight lid for it. Bad Bad. Put a board over it instead. Or punch a good amount of air holes in around the top just below the lid. Must have some air circulation. Holes the size of quarters and plenty of them.
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Wood will breath. Plastic traps moisture. Moisture is the enemy. A box built like a coffin. More long than tall works best. Not more than 3 feet deep. If you do use a plastic container don't get an air tight lid for it. Bad Bad. Put a board over it instead. Or punch a good amount of air holes in around the top just below the lid. Must have some air circulation. Holes the size of quarters and plenty of them.
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Thank you very much. Great thread...
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Good Ideas OP, Thanks!

I don't use any refrigeration and live mostly off my organic garden. I stored potatoes and yams last year in wood chips for about 6 months to see what would happen.

I was actually trying different things to make them sprout. The wood chips did not work for that purpose. I now sprout my potatoes in shallow pans of water.

But they did stay pretty well preserved in wood chips, except for a small percentage that probably were bruised which rotted.

Maybe sand would work better. And of course we have all heard about storing things in salt.

I always have large pile of sand that I use for various purposes in the garden anyhow.

When I have excess strawberries I dry them in the sun. Two days of direct Mexican sun works here, and they become much sweeter and more delicious in the process.
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OP, I live in the deep South, we usually run our air conditioners Christmas day and New Years eve because it is still so hot at that time.

With these conditions do you think your method would work?
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Thanks for the tips Op.
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would beach sand work? With salt rinsed out?
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I've found recently that mushrooms will dry out if left in a well ventilated area. I buy in bulk when I see some going cheap, then line them up on a shelf individually and let them dry. Once dried, they can be stored indefinitely.
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would beach sand work? With salt rinsed out?
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A good rinse probably would not hurt. I've never used sand with salt so...? The salt could have an extra drying condition to it....?

You can't use straight salt on Vegtables. It would toast them really quick. It would pull all the moisture of really quick and kill it all off.

Salt for meat because you do want it to suck out the moisture and dry it out.
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OP, I live in the deep South, we usually run our air conditioners Christmas day and New Years eve because it is still so hot at that time.

With these conditions do you think your method would work?
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Go in ground. Root cellars were used extensively in area's like yours back in the day.

Even a hole dug down and boxes placed in them in a shady spot would be like a cooler. The deeper you go the cooler things would stay. Pick a high spot though. Flooding.
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I've found recently that mushrooms will dry out if left in a well ventilated area. I buy in bulk when I see some going cheap, then line them up on a shelf individually and let them dry. Once dried, they can be stored indefinitely.
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Mushrooms are great for that. Once dried and placed in a container will keep for ever and can quickly be rehydrated for soups and sauces. Careful though not to seal them up. If they are not 100% dried they will mold. Thats when those green bags come in handy. They breath but don't trap moisture.
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OK. So you want to store some vegtables.

First things first. LOCATION is everything. Pick a spot thats cool and dark but won't freeze. Well insulated outbuilding or cool corner in the basement works.

The storage box: Make it out of plywood and paint the plywood so it does not attract mold. Put a lid on it.

Sand: Clean sand. CLEAN. You can dig it out of a bank just about anywhere. Make sure its dry and without foreign material. Screen it if you have too.

Place about 6 inches of sand on the bottom to start. Place your vegtables so they are close but not touching each other. Make a layer and then place enough sand on them to fill in the gaps and cover them lightly. a couple of inches works. Then repeat. My boxes are about 3 feet deep. Don't fill right to the top. Leave some room for a little bit of circulation.

Preparing your vegtables: You can store things like potatoes. Carrots. Beets. Turnips. Parsnips. apples in sand.You would be amazed at how long they will store like this. Up to a year in some cases.

Cabbage stores for a long time a but not in sand use burlap sacks for them.Remember cool and dark.

Squashes and Pumpkins also will keep for a very long time but best to layer them in clean dry straw. Squashes need to be treated first where their stems were otherwise they will start to get moldy around their stems . Cut off whats left of their stems short. I use cold water and bleach. I wash them in the cold water bleach solution and then dry them off really good before storage.

In a typical kitchen sink I fill it 3/4 full and add about an ounce of bleach. After I treat the stem area with a dab of straight bleach.

Thats hoe easy it is too store a huge pile of fresh vegtables for a very long time for you and your family.

Anybody else with storage idea's please feel free to add to this thread. The more idea's the better for everybody. marryer.
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To make sure the sand is clean and parasite free I put it in several large baking dishes and spend a day running it through the oven at 450 degrees. Let it cool completely before using.
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By the way OP, I had heard of this method here in Iceland and was told that it was important to use white/shell sand and not the black sand that is prevalent here...
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OK. So you want to store some vegtables.

First things first. LOCATION is everything. Pick a spot thats cool and dark but won't freeze. Well insulated outbuilding or cool corner in the basement works.

The storage box: Make it out of plywood and paint the plywood so it does not attract mold. Put a lid on it.

Sand: Clean sand. CLEAN. You can dig it out of a bank just about anywhere. Make sure its dry and without foreign material. Screen it if you have too.

Place about 6 inches of sand on the bottom to start. Place your vegtables so they are close but not touching each other. Make a layer and then place enough sand on them to fill in the gaps and cover them lightly. a couple of inches works. Then repeat. My boxes are about 3 feet deep. Don't fill right to the top. Leave some room for a little bit of circulation.

Preparing your vegtables: You can store things like potatoes. Carrots. Beets. Turnips. Parsnips. apples in sand.You would be amazed at how long they will store like this. Up to a year in some cases.

Cabbage stores for a long time a but not in sand use burlap sacks for them.Remember cool and dark.

Squashes and Pumpkins also will keep for a very long time but best to layer them in clean dry straw. Squashes need to be treated first where their stems were otherwise they will start to get moldy around their stems . Cut off whats left of their stems short. I use cold water and bleach. I wash them in the cold water bleach solution and then dry them off really good before storage.

In a typical kitchen sink I fill it 3/4 full and add about an ounce of bleach. After I treat the stem area with a dab of straight bleach.

Thats hoe easy it is too store a huge pile of fresh vegtables for a very long time for you and your family.

Anybody else with storage idea's please feel free to add to this thread. The more idea's the better for everybody. marryer.
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To make sure the sand is clean and parasite free I put it in several large baking dishes and spend a day running it through the oven at 450 degrees. Let it cool completely before using.
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I have never baked my sand that I use. Waste of time and would take forever for the large amounts nessesary for doing large boxes for family's. Root vegtables are grown in the dirt ground already. Just make sure where you get your sand it hasn't been or from a public area.

Get it from a side hill or bank. Gravel pit. I would not recommend beach sand. Screening it takes minutes and just make sure its dry. Bone dry before you use it.
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Good tip OP, thanks!
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Any Herb can be dried really easy. Just cut and lay on a screen to dry. You can place a fan over the screen to speed up the process.

Just make sure they are completely dry if your going to put them in a sealed container which will keep them fresh. Don't be in a hurry to dry them. Wait till they crunch up in your hand.

If theres any moisture still in them when sealed they will start to mold and then its all for not. Bone dry...!

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