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Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused

 
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Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused
Hi everyone, is Jesus GOD, yes or no?

thanks, Rich
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everything is
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... Doesnt need to stand in a red lighted street
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if i said YES what would you do to me ? Hang me
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if i said YES what would you do to me ? Hang me
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I don't follow a religion...Just curious
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Re: Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused
No, He is the Son of God.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17
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Check this out...
"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. - And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."
His sheep know His voice.
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Re: Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused
OP, this is confusing- even for people who have studied the bible for years.

My church is Protestant and gets a little annoyed when I voice my opinion that they are NOT the same.

There are compelling arguments for either side.

I prefer to believe that Jesus is the SON of God. He said so way too many times to disbelieve him, in my opinion.

The trinity to me is God, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

For me, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus, combined.

Good luck trying to figure it out.

hf
Be Still and know that I am God.
-Psalms 46:10
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Re: Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused
What does the Bible say?
GOD DECLARES HIS SON IS GOD Heb 1;8
Jesus declares Himself as God John 10:30
the demons recognized Him as God
Man recognized Him as God John 20:28, many other declarations in Scripture

Colossians 2;9 In Him the fulness of Deity

John 1:1 and 1:14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God and the Word was with God.... Throughout Scripture Jesus is the Word.
and Genesis 1 In the beginning, God...
Throughout Old and New Testaments, I Am is designated as the Creator, Living God, and Jesus describes Himself as I Am

He said, "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."
What we believe about Jesus, and what we do about Him determines our eternal destiny.
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here are some good writings on the doctrine of the trinity from a reformed christian perspective

[link to www.monergism.com]
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Oh. And I believe it was John the Baptist's words that kind of confused everything.

He spoke of Jesus saying, He was born before I was born.

John was several months older than Jesus so that's where I think some of the confusion comes to play.
Be Still and know that I am God.
-Psalms 46:10
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No, He is the Son of God.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17
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he was doing a ventriloquist trick
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"For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are ONE." (1 John 5: 7)


"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us...... (John 1:14)


Christ: "I and my Father are ONE." (John 10: 30)
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The scribes messed it up.
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When I hear a commotion and people arguing over these things I just... "Be still, and know that I am God" Psalms 46 :)
Gotta love Him
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And a tick just hangs on someone ?
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Re: Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused
OP, this is confusing- even for people who have studied the bible for years.

My church is Protestant and gets a little annoyed when I voice my opinion that they are NOT the same.

There are compelling arguments for either side.

I prefer to believe that Jesus is the SON of God. He said so way too many times to disbelieve him, in my opinion.

The trinity to me is God, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

For me, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus, combined.

Good luck trying to figure it out.

hf
 Quoting: Miggy




All anyone has to do to figure it out is take the overall Bible view of Jesus:
He is God, indisputably. How you feel about that determines your destination.
He is the Son of God, but He is more.
John 1:1 and John 1:14
John 14:8,9
John 10:30
Heb 1:1-3
Heb 1:8-14
Isaiah 9:6 Son, Mighty God, Eternal Father
Isaiah 43:10-11
Isaiah 44:6
John 17:5 Christ had no beginning....He was in the beginning with God
1 Tim 6:14 Sovereignty of Christ...He can't be Sovereiign unless He is God
Trinity: Matthew 3:16,7
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:4
FAther is God Rom 1:7
Son is God Heb 1:8
Holy Spirit is God Acts 5:3-4
God declared His Son God Heb 1:8
Men declared Him God, multiple times in Bible,
Demons recognize Him as God Mark 1;24
Jesus declares Himself God John 10:30.... many other places, the religious leaders hated that, killed Him for it
2 Pet 1:1
Titus 2:13

Jesus said, Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins. See Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, John 18:5,6, Mark 14:62
He is the Great I Am....unless you believe that, you will die in your sins, no matter what church you go to.
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Why are so many contradictions???..

[link to skepticsannotatedbible.com]

:S
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Re: Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused
OP, this is confusing- even for people who have studied the bible for years.

My church is Protestant and gets a little annoyed when I voice my opinion that they are NOT the same.

There are compelling arguments for either side.

I prefer to believe that Jesus is the SON of God. He said so way too many times to disbelieve him, in my opinion.

The trinity to me is God, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

For me, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus, combined.

Good luck trying to figure it out.

hf
 Quoting: Miggy




All anyone has to do to figure it out is take the overall Bible view of Jesus:
He is God, indisputably. How you feel about that determines your destination.
He is the Son of God, but He is more.
John 1:1 and John 1:14
John 14:8,9
John 10:30
Heb 1:1-3
Heb 1:8-14
Isaiah 9:6 Son, Mighty God, Eternal Father
Isaiah 43:10-11
Isaiah 44:6
John 17:5 Christ had no beginning....He was in the beginning with God
1 Tim 6:14 Sovereignty of Christ...He can't be Sovereiign unless He is God
Trinity: Matthew 3:16,7
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:4
FAther is God Rom 1:7
Son is God Heb 1:8
Holy Spirit is God Acts 5:3-4
God declared His Son God Heb 1:8
Men declared Him God, multiple times in Bible,
Demons recognize Him as God Mark 1;24
Jesus declares Himself God John 10:30.... many other places, the religious leaders hated that, killed Him for it
2 Pet 1:1
Titus 2:13

Jesus said, Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins. See Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, John 18:5,6, Mark 14:62
He is the Great I Am....unless you believe that, you will die in your sins, no matter what church you go to.
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bsflag What translation are you using?

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24 King James Version

That I am He, ie, the Prophesied Messiah!!!
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Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but)
he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:23)


You cannot go wrong with the Lord Jesus Christ!

hf
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Re: Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused
Oh. And I believe it was John the Baptist's words that kind of confused everything.

He spoke of Jesus saying, He was born before I was born.

John was several months older than Jesus so that's where I think some of the confusion comes to play.
 Quoting: Miggy




John the Baptist was conveying that Jesus was in the beginning.
"in the beginning, God." "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God and was with God."
that all things were created by Him and through Him...that He is Creator...He is Almighty, He is God...." There was no confusion for those who heard John....they knew what he was saying to them.
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Why are so many contradictions???..

[link to skepticsannotatedbible.com]

:S
 Quoting: rich 26070963


There are many different translations, many false ones that false teachers peddle. To worship Yeshua as God is Idolatry.

God is one, not three!

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4
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".....looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works." (Titus 2: 13-14)
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OP, this is confusing- even for people who have studied the bible for years.

My church is Protestant and gets a little annoyed when I voice my opinion that they are NOT the same.

There are compelling arguments for either side.

I prefer to believe that Jesus is the SON of God. He said so way too many times to disbelieve him, in my opinion.

The trinity to me is God, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

For me, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus, combined.

Good luck trying to figure it out.

hf
 Quoting: Miggy




All anyone has to do to figure it out is take the overall Bible view of Jesus:
He is God, indisputably. How you feel about that determines your destination.
He is the Son of God, but He is more.
John 1:1 and John 1:14
John 14:8,9
John 10:30
Heb 1:1-3
Heb 1:8-14
Isaiah 9:6 Son, Mighty God, Eternal Father
Isaiah 43:10-11
Isaiah 44:6
John 17:5 Christ had no beginning....He was in the beginning with God
1 Tim 6:14 Sovereignty of Christ...He can't be Sovereiign unless He is God
Trinity: Matthew 3:16,7
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:4
FAther is God Rom 1:7
Son is God Heb 1:8
Holy Spirit is God Acts 5:3-4
God declared His Son God Heb 1:8
Men declared Him God, multiple times in Bible,
Demons recognize Him as God Mark 1;24
Jesus declares Himself God John 10:30.... many other places, the religious leaders hated that, killed Him for it
2 Pet 1:1
Titus 2:13

Jesus said, Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins. See Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, John 18:5,6, Mark 14:62
He is the Great I Am....unless you believe that, you will die in your sins, no matter what church you go to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26994007


bsflag What translation are you using?

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24 King James Version

That I am He, ie, the Prophesied Messiah!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26991397




Yes, you are right, that that "I am He"....King James, and most other translations, and that is all right... He meant that He was the prophesied Messiah and the Great I Am. The prophesied Messiah and the Great I am are the same.
I am (He) was added later... In the original language, Jesus said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The I AM that is throughout Scripture definitive of the Creator God. the great I AM

EXODUS 3:14, JOHN 8:58, JOHN 18:5,6, MARK 14:62

You are correct, Jesus was telling them, "unless you believe that I am the prophesied Messiah, unless you believe that I AM (He), (the great I AM) you will die in your sins.
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if i said YES what would you do to me ? Hang me
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I don't follow a religion...Just curious
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we talk about Jesus not religion
coz i know religion is vehicle ridden by demons
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Re: Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused
OP, this is confusing- even for people who have studied the bible for years.

My church is Protestant and gets a little annoyed when I voice my opinion that they are NOT the same.

There are compelling arguments for either side.

I prefer to believe that Jesus is the SON of God. He said so way too many times to disbelieve him, in my opinion.

The trinity to me is God, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

For me, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus, combined.

Good luck trying to figure it out.

hf
 Quoting: Miggy




All anyone has to do to figure it out is take the overall Bible view of Jesus:
He is God, indisputably. How you feel about that determines your destination.
He is the Son of God, but He is more.
John 1:1 and John 1:14
John 14:8,9
John 10:30
Heb 1:1-3
Heb 1:8-14
Isaiah 9:6 Son, Mighty God, Eternal Father
Isaiah 43:10-11
Isaiah 44:6
John 17:5 Christ had no beginning....He was in the beginning with God
1 Tim 6:14 Sovereignty of Christ...He can't be Sovereiign unless He is God
Trinity: Matthew 3:16,7
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:4
FAther is God Rom 1:7
Son is God Heb 1:8
Holy Spirit is God Acts 5:3-4
God declared His Son God Heb 1:8
Men declared Him God, multiple times in Bible,
Demons recognize Him as God Mark 1;24
Jesus declares Himself God John 10:30.... many other places, the religious leaders hated that, killed Him for it
2 Pet 1:1
Titus 2:13

Jesus said, Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins. See Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, John 18:5,6, Mark 14:62
He is the Great I Am....unless you believe that, you will die in your sins, no matter what church you go to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26994007


bsflag What translation are you using?

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24 King James Version

That I am He, ie, the Prophesied Messiah!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26991397




Yes, you are right, that that "I am He"....King James, and most other translations, and that is all right... He meant that He was the prophesied Messiah and the Great I Am. The prophesied Messiah and the Great I am are the same.
I am (He) was added later... In the original language, Jesus said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The I AM that is throughout Scripture definitive of the Creator God. the great I AM

EXODUS 3:14, JOHN 8:58, JOHN 18:5,6, MARK 14:62

You are correct, Jesus was telling them, "unless you believe that I am the prophesied Messiah, unless you believe that I AM (He), (the great I AM) you will die in your sins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26994007


I meant to say, your BS flag is wrong, wrong, wrong,
but that you are correct only in that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah and the Great I AM.
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Why are so many contradictions???..

[link to skepticsannotatedbible.com]

:S
 Quoting: rich 26070963


There are many different translations, many false ones that false teachers peddle. To worship Yeshua as God is Idolatry.

God is one, not three!

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27004651


Just taking ONE verse is dangerous. What does the entire Bible say. God is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, Jesus is God. Jesus is the I AM.
From Genesis 1 through Rev 22: 21 the entirety of the Bible tells us that Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord, Jesus is sovereign. Miss that and you miss God's point entirely.
Unless you believe that Jesus is God, the great I AM, the Messiah, you will die in your sins. From the lips of Jesus
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why do people argue over this?
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OP, this is confusing- even for people who have studied the bible for years.

My church is Protestant and gets a little annoyed when I voice my opinion that they are NOT the same.

There are compelling arguments for either side.

I prefer to believe that Jesus is the SON of God. He said so way too many times to disbelieve him, in my opinion.

The trinity to me is God, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

For me, the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus, combined.

Good luck trying to figure it out.

hf
 Quoting: Miggy




All anyone has to do to figure it out is take the overall Bible view of Jesus:
He is God, indisputably. How you feel about that determines your destination.
He is the Son of God, but He is more.
John 1:1 and John 1:14
John 14:8,9
John 10:30
Heb 1:1-3
Heb 1:8-14
Isaiah 9:6 Son, Mighty God, Eternal Father
Isaiah 43:10-11
Isaiah 44:6
John 17:5 Christ had no beginning....He was in the beginning with God
1 Tim 6:14 Sovereignty of Christ...He can't be Sovereiign unless He is God
Trinity: Matthew 3:16,7
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:4
FAther is God Rom 1:7
Son is God Heb 1:8
Holy Spirit is God Acts 5:3-4
God declared His Son God Heb 1:8
Men declared Him God, multiple times in Bible,
Demons recognize Him as God Mark 1;24
Jesus declares Himself God John 10:30.... many other places, the religious leaders hated that, killed Him for it
2 Pet 1:1
Titus 2:13

Jesus said, Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins. See Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, John 18:5,6, Mark 14:62
He is the Great I Am....unless you believe that, you will die in your sins, no matter what church you go to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26994007


bsflag What translation are you using?

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24 King James Version

That I am He, ie, the Prophesied Messiah!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26991397




Yes, you are right, that that "I am He"....King James, and most other translations, and that is all right... He meant that He was the prophesied Messiah and the Great I Am. The prophesied Messiah and the Great I am are the same.
I am (He) was added later... In the original language, Jesus said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The I AM that is throughout Scripture definitive of the Creator God. the great I AM

EXODUS 3:14, JOHN 8:58, JOHN 18:5,6, MARK 14:62

You are correct, Jesus was telling them, "unless you believe that I am the prophesied Messiah, unless you believe that I AM (He), (the great I AM) you will die in your sins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26994007


No he didn't mean the Great I am for that is God's title and they are not the same. Messiah means anointed one, has nothing to do with being God.

"I am (He) was added later... In the original language, Jesus said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The I AM that is throughout Scripture definitive of the Creator God. the great I AM"

The original language? What, Greek? They were translated from the Greek just fine. I do not accept that. It says He, not I am.

Here is a list of all the other translations.

[link to bible.cc]
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Whenever I'm worried for the sheep, about false teaching, I remember this: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me,
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
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Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but)
he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:23)


You cannot go wrong with the Lord Jesus Christ!

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491




You cannot go wrong with the Lord God Creator Jesus Christ.
Anyone who does not believe that Jesus is He will die in their sins.
The Jews, the Mormons, the Jehovah's witnesses, many protestants even.... do not believe that Jesus is God; they will die in their sins.