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Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused

 
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why do people argue over this?
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Because it is very important!
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Why are so many contradictions???..

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There are many different translations, many false ones that false teachers peddle. To worship Yeshua as God is Idolatry.

God is one, not three!

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4
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Just taking ONE verse is dangerous. What does the entire Bible say. God is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, Jesus is God. Jesus is the I AM.
From Genesis 1 through Rev 22: 21 the entirety of the Bible tells us that Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord, Jesus is sovereign. Miss that and you miss God's point entirely.
Unless you believe that Jesus is God, the great I AM, the Messiah, you will die in your sins. From the lips of Jesus
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I have provided more than one verse. And all that you stated is simply your opinion and is not Biblical.

Here is another.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17
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All anyone has to do to figure it out is take the overall Bible view of Jesus:
He is God, indisputably. How you feel about that determines your destination.
He is the Son of God, but He is more.
John 1:1 and John 1:14
John 14:8,9
John 10:30
Heb 1:1-3
Heb 1:8-14
Isaiah 9:6 Son, Mighty God, Eternal Father
Isaiah 43:10-11
Isaiah 44:6
John 17:5 Christ had no beginning....He was in the beginning with God
1 Tim 6:14 Sovereignty of Christ...He can't be Sovereiign unless He is God
Trinity: Matthew 3:16,7
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:4
FAther is God Rom 1:7
Son is God Heb 1:8
Holy Spirit is God Acts 5:3-4
God declared His Son God Heb 1:8
Men declared Him God, multiple times in Bible,
Demons recognize Him as God Mark 1;24
Jesus declares Himself God John 10:30.... many other places, the religious leaders hated that, killed Him for it
2 Pet 1:1
Titus 2:13

Jesus said, Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins. See Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, John 18:5,6, Mark 14:62
He is the Great I Am....unless you believe that, you will die in your sins, no matter what church you go to.
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bsflag What translation are you using?

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24 King James Version

That I am He, ie, the Prophesied Messiah!!!
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Yes, you are right, that that "I am He"....King James, and most other translations, and that is all right... He meant that He was the prophesied Messiah and the Great I Am. The prophesied Messiah and the Great I am are the same.
I am (He) was added later... In the original language, Jesus said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The I AM that is throughout Scripture definitive of the Creator God. the great I AM

EXODUS 3:14, JOHN 8:58, JOHN 18:5,6, MARK 14:62

You are correct, Jesus was telling them, "unless you believe that I am the prophesied Messiah, unless you believe that I AM (He), (the great I AM) you will die in your sins.
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No he didn't mean the Great I am for that is God's title and they are not the same. Messiah means anointed one, has nothing to do with being God.

"I am (He) was added later... In the original language, Jesus said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The I AM that is throughout Scripture definitive of the Creator God. the great I AM"

The original language? What, Greek? They were translated from the Greek just fine. I do not accept that. It says He, not I am.

Here is a list of all the other translations.

[link to bible.cc]
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That is the POINT: they are TRANSLATIONS.
The original language that Jesus spoke was said that unless you believe that I Am, you will die in your sins.

Jesus proclaimed Himself as the I AM before the religious leaders, and they fell forward on their faces. They hated Him for proclaiming Himself the I AM.
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He's right. We are all "god". Each one of us is Absolute, divine, and infinite. That was Jesus's message to mankind, yet it wasn't fully understood and many things he said were actually modified.
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why do people argue over this?
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Why?


Because only 1% or so of the population of the world have actually opened the door of the hearts to Christ....and received the Holy Spirit.


All other cults and religions deny that Christ is God.
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Hi everyone, is Jesus GOD, yes or no?

thanks, Rich
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where is your thinking mind to ask such a question. Well Christians have caused a lot of confusion on this world. He was a master teacher and son of God who stated you are all sons of God and that the FAther resides within YOU. God the Father as the creator is within all things and all life. You are confusing creator with the creation. Creator doesn't just don a body and show up on earth.

Jesus called himself a SON OF GOD, not GOD the Father.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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bsflag What translation are you using?

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24 King James Version

That I am He, ie, the Prophesied Messiah!!!
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Yes, you are right, that that "I am He"....King James, and most other translations, and that is all right... He meant that He was the prophesied Messiah and the Great I Am. The prophesied Messiah and the Great I am are the same.
I am (He) was added later... In the original language, Jesus said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The I AM that is throughout Scripture definitive of the Creator God. the great I AM

EXODUS 3:14, JOHN 8:58, JOHN 18:5,6, MARK 14:62

You are correct, Jesus was telling them, "unless you believe that I am the prophesied Messiah, unless you believe that I AM (He), (the great I AM) you will die in your sins.
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No he didn't mean the Great I am for that is God's title and they are not the same. Messiah means anointed one, has nothing to do with being God.

"I am (He) was added later... In the original language, Jesus said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The I AM that is throughout Scripture definitive of the Creator God. the great I AM"

The original language? What, Greek? They were translated from the Greek just fine. I do not accept that. It says He, not I am.

Here is a list of all the other translations.

[link to bible.cc]
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That is the POINT: they are TRANSLATIONS.
The original language that Jesus spoke was said that unless you believe that I Am, you will die in your sins.


Jesus proclaimed Himself as the I AM before the religious leaders, and they fell forward on their faces. They hated Him for proclaiming Himself the I AM.
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Do you have any evidence of that? And he did not proclaim himself the I am, he said before Abraham, I am.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

Meaning that he existed before Abraham at the right hand of the Father.
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why do people argue over this?
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Why?


Because only 1% or so of the population of the world have actually opened the door of the hearts to Christ....and received the Holy Spirit.


All other cults and religions deny that Christ is God.
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Christ is not God, Christ is a Son of the Father. He made that clear. You do not receive the holy spirit by opening your hearts to Jesus, that is another lie of your religion.

Anybody opening their hearts to CREATOR, is on a path to God knowing. Religion is damaging to that process in fact. I suppose in your ignorance of God that you think all those that never heard the name Christ are going to be burned in hell forever too, right?
People argue they are unable to reason and use their God MIND.

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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Hi everyone, is Jesus GOD, yes or no?

thanks, Rich
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No.

Is he apart of God? Yes.


Three bear witness, Father, Son, Holy spirit. These three function as ONE.
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everything is
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He's right. We are all "god". Each one of us is Absolute, divine, and infinite. That was Jesus's message to mankind, yet it wasn't fully understood and many things he said were actually modified.
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thank you for KNOWING TRUTH.hf And not only modified, LEFT OUT entirely.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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why do people argue over this?
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Because it is very important!
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No its not important at all, it is given false importance by the unknowing of God.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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why do people argue over this?
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Because it is very important!
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Those of us who realize that Jesus is God are not arguing.
We would just like for you to come to a saving knowledge of God. Without believing that Jesus is God, people will die in their sins. It is not an argument. It is just an attempt to guide those who really sincerely want to know to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Creator, the Son of God, second person of the Trinity, the Triune Godhead. Without Him, there is no salvation.
Unless you believe that Jesus is He, the great I Am, you will die in your sins. There is no argument. I know, I know, I know.... that Jesus is He. That knowledge gives life.
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everything is
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He's right. We are all "god". Each one of us is Absolute, divine, and infinite. That was Jesus's message to mankind, yet it wasn't fully understood and many things he said were actually modified.
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go have a seat somewhere.
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"Jesus" has returned and this is the proper teaching of the WAY. And since Christ MIchael (Jesus) is a CREATOR SON, he provides your way since he and the Father are ONE. But you need not have heard of his name, to be on the WAY. YOu have to only be seeking.

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I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life
By Christ Michael

Aug 27, 2010 - 9:45:07 AM



‘'I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man commeth unto the Father but by me''


This was a pivotal piece of teaching bequeathed by the Master Jesus when He walked your earth plane, yet no man truly understood its meaning. Man was not sufficiently ready to receive this truth then and is scarcely ready to receive it now. Yet it is significant that during these auspicious times when the planet is about to enter a new cycle of life where dimensions anew are to be experienced and earned, man must awaken to a higher understanding of himself and he can only do so if he understands Me. Milestones have been achieved by mortals in terms of advancement, yet spiritually they fail to attune themselves to a great truth that if understood could change the tenor of their existence and path of soul evolution. I come again this day to effort to explain this simple yet understated Truth.


I am the Way means that I am your ticket to a new destination. The ticket is only dispensed when a choice is knowingly made. You must choose Me through belief and active seeking and you will be given directions that will enable you to plot the coordinates that shall keep you on the path as you create an enduring alliance with Me. When you are able to make this choice you will clearly see that I Am the Way out of the illusion of mortality into the reality of immortality.


So we have primarily established that I Am the Way to eternal life. Yet eternal life can only be guaranteed for those who can find and free their inner God presence. It is I who shall direct you ones on the course that you must adopt to achieve this feat for first you must know Me before you can know yourself and be inclined to liberate that which is divine within you.


I would like to explore with you a different perspective of what it means when I say 'I AM the ‘'Way'.' The ‘'Way'' cannot be separated from the ‘'Light'' as the light brings clarity of purpose and engenders a clear path to the destiny of choice. The ‘'Way and the ‘'Light'' therefore go hand in hand. I say that the Way is the Light and I am the Way and therefore the Light.


Yet another perspective of the ‘'Way'' shall I offer to you. Did I not birth my creation from love, being the reason and root cause? Did I not create by way of electric light waves of motion from the stillness of my mind? Is it therefore not true to say that stillness motivated by love to create by light is the ‘'Way''? Can you therefore not see that the ‘'Way'' is Love and Light and that when you choose Me you choose Love and Light? If Love and Light is the foundation of your earthly journey you will have found the ‘'Way''.


Did I not think my creation into being? Am I therefore not within my creation? Is the ultimate goal not to return to Source? If I am my creation and within my creation then the only way back to the Source is through Me. Does this make sense to you ones who need to rationalize ME?


I AM the Way, I AM the Light and I AM the Love manifested in my creation. I created from a point of stillness through Light motion. Does this not mean that if you choose the ‘'Way'' you too can create all which you desire to create? The ‘'Way'' enables you to reflect and be all that the ‘'Way'' is for are you not also the ‘'Way'' through Oneness with Me? The Way you shall become when you find and know Me.


I AM the Truth.


Man fights amongst himself seeking to have his truth rendered as superior to another. Yet hardly do men know what Truth is. You cannot know Truth unless you know Me- The ‘'Way''. For the ‘'Way'' shall always lead to the Truth. Man has belittled the Truth by tainting it with his personal agendas. The Truth is never influenced. It is impartial. It is inexplicable and beyond rationalization. The Truth must be known and that knowledge comes from knowing Me. Man's truth mostly is generated by that which is external, seldom reconcilable with his inner knowing and void of inner validation.


The TRUTH JUST IS AND IS JUST. That which is Truth knows only balance. It is as still, steadfast and immutable as the Creator. There lies no mystery or magic in Truth. I can say no more except to remind you that Truth emanates from within you because its origin is divine.


When you choose the ‘'Way'', you choose the Truth and it is the Truth when known and accepted that shall lead you to attain the divine promise of eternal life. For at this point in your understanding you shall accept without hesitation that I AM THE LIFE, that which is eternal and so shall you be also when you can know this.


Beloveds the life I speak of is not of mortal orientation. It is life immortal to which I refer. Life resides only in the spirit not the flesh. The spirit is All- its longevity is guaranteed by the promise of eternal life. Yet eternal life is always a choice as much as a gift/promise. For I will never force my children to choose Me; they must freely make this choice. I can say to you that many have chosen to be uncreated instead of choosing Life. I wish to emphasize that even in your sphere of reality which is earth plane, you are eternal. Mortal death is merely a transition to allow the soul to take stock in order to determine the next level of experience needed along its ascending path.


You on earth during your incarnation must understand that your life on earth does not give you the freedom to do that which you please without being accountable or responsible. You do not, contrary to popular belief have one life to live. When you can understand that I am the Life and so too are you, then you will realize in your incarnation that what you do will always impact on the evolution of your immortal soul.


So what do I mean when I say ‘'No man commeth unto the Father but by me''.

The ultimate goal as I reminded you earlier is the return to the Source of ALL. Yet those created by Me can only return to the Source by Me for I AM THE WAY.


You cannot bypass Me to get to the Source for I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.


You cannot fudge your way to the Source without Me for I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.


You cannot cajole your way to the Source without me for I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.


You cannot say that Christ Michael does not exist and seek to make your way back to the Source for I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.


You cannot believe in the Source and not in Me for I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.


You cannot know of Me, denounce Me and choose the Source for I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.

When you know me, see me and hear me you will see, hear and know the Father, the Source- the Centre of All. I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE. You must become ONE WITH ME for I AM the Way to the Source.

My beloved children, it was a delight to once again effort to explain what this most crucial teaching means. I trust that I have brought clarity and ask that you ponder these words and see whether enlightenment dawns.


I am Christ Michael Aton, come this day to bring the word again and thank this my child for being the emissary of the truth.


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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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why do people argue over this?
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Why?


Because only 1% or so of the population of the world have actually opened the door of the hearts to Christ....and received the Holy Spirit.


All other cults and religions deny that Christ is God.
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Christ is not God, Christ is a Son of the Father. He made that clear. You do not receive the holy spirit by opening your hearts to Jesus, that is another lie of your religion.

Anybody opening their hearts to CREATOR, is on a path to God knowing. Religion is damaging to that process in fact. I suppose in your ignorance of God that you think all those that never heard the name Christ are going to be burned in hell forever too, right?
People argue they are unable to reason and use their God MIND.
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You're on dangerous ground. Jesus is God; to deny that will harden your heart until you get to the point of no return. Instead of denying it, prayerfully read the verses I have given regarding "Jesus is God"
Read Luke 16:20 -31 if you do not believe in a physical place of torment called hell. From the lips of Jesus.
Religion is dangerous. The only thing we can depend on is the Word of God....the Words of Jesus. We cannot depend on religion. I didn't think up hell. God did. I believe what He says. (not religion, and not my feeble mind...)
The book of Romans explains that man has within his nature a sense of the moral laws of God. All heathen people, no matter how backward, have some sense of moral law. The Bible says that all people are without excuse. What kind of God would He be to overlook sin? He is a holy God, and He tenderly manifests Himself to all of us. It is God's responsibility to bring all those who are seeking Him to the knowledge of Christ. The heathen will be punished when they sin. Down deep in their heart they know right from wrong, they have it written in their hearts... they have the truth in their hearts. God says that people who do not find Him are "without excuse." If people anywhere obey the truth they already have, they will be given more truth; if they disobey the truth God gives them, then they will be judged by that truth. Everyone who has ever lived is without excuse if they have rejected God.
Remember that there are diffent dispensations throughout man's history. God expects us to walk in the light He gives in each age. Now we have the Bible and the Cross...reject the Cross and the truth that Jesus is God and you reject the Savior. There is no other name under heaven by which man can be saved. No other. There 's no excuse for anyone today to reject that light.
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Why are so many contradictions???..

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There are many different translations, many false ones that false teachers peddle. To worship Yeshua as God is Idolatry.

God is one, not three!

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4
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Just taking ONE verse is dangerous. What does the entire Bible say. God is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, Jesus is God. Jesus is the I AM.
From Genesis 1 through Rev 22: 21 the entirety of the Bible tells us that Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord, Jesus is sovereign. Miss that and you miss God's point entirely.
Unless you believe that Jesus is God, the great I AM, the Messiah, you will die in your sins. From the lips of Jesus
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I have provided more than one verse. And all that you stated is simply your opinion and is not Biblical.

Here is another.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17
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It is not the verses you quote that I disagree with; it is your conclusion after quoting the verses. Once again, you have to take the Bible as a whole; as a whole, it is clear that Jesus is God. Yes, He is God's Son, yes, God the Father is well pleased with the Son. Remember also that God ALSO in Hebrews 1:8, declared that His Son is God.
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There are many different translations, many false ones that false teachers peddle. To worship Yeshua as God is Idolatry.

God is one, not three!

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4
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Just taking ONE verse is dangerous. What does the entire Bible say. God is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, Jesus is God. Jesus is the I AM.
From Genesis 1 through Rev 22: 21 the entirety of the Bible tells us that Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord, Jesus is sovereign. Miss that and you miss God's point entirely.
Unless you believe that Jesus is God, the great I AM, the Messiah, you will die in your sins. From the lips of Jesus
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I have provided more than one verse. And all that you stated is simply your opinion and is not Biblical.

Here is another.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17
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It is not the verses you quote that I disagree with; it is your conclusion after quoting the verses. Once again, you have to take the Bible as a whole; as a whole, it is clear that Jesus is God. Yes, He is God's Son, yes, God the Father is well pleased with the Son. Remember also that God ALSO in Hebrews 1:8, declared that His Son is God.
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Furthermore, in Matthew 3:17 .."This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased..." the jews he was addressing themselves recognized when He claimed to be the Son of God, it meant that He was claiming to be Deity in the flesh. And that made them mad. It always makes the unsaved mad.
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Hi everyone, is Jesus GOD, yes or no?

thanks, Rich
 Quoting: Thuggerz 26070963


Jesus is God incarnated into a man.

"Son of God" means "God incarnated into human form."

Jesus was also called Immanuel which means "God with us."

There you have it.

Jesus *IS* God.

Jesus is seen as the Creator in the Old Testament too for those who have eyes to see it.
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No where in the Bible does Jesus say "I am GOD", but he definitely says the following.

People will quote

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

BUT why would it be said in such a weird way?

Why wouldn't John (a mere man) just have said

"In the beginning was our Lord Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and the Jesus was God."

But Jesus was quite clear on this issue when he said the following.

Jesus said "Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Why the obvious separation between Jesus and GOD in Jesus' words?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (GOD) should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It is very clear that the him is GOD who sent Jesus ... NOT Jesus, as it is proven in John 5:24!

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

And remember Jesus said

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

JESUS explicitly says no man has heard GODS voice or seen his shape at anytime! Jesus said this directly to people. He was in front of them.

PLUS this is proven by other verses

YET GOD allegedly said

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall NO MAN SEE ME, and live.

AND JESUS allegedly said

John 1:18 NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

AND Jesus also said

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Why would he have said these things if he was GOD?
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why do people argue over this?
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Because if Christ was not God, there is no real redemption. Without this, you must e.g. redeem yourself, maybe by ringing bells on other peoples doors and convincing them to you cult to "earn" salvation or something.
The other variant is that there is nothing you could do anyway, since things have been decided beforehand by "predestination". This results in Eastern having no real meaning and your life probably being quite meaningless as well.

The belief that Christ is God is ancient orthodox church believe, this is crucial for being Christian.

I am a Roma Catholic, BTW.
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he is both God and the sun of god.
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No. If Jesus was God, who was he praying to? In his own words he said he came to do HIS FATHER'S WILL. Why is this even debatable?

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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

BUT why would it be said in such a weird way?
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It is not weird, it is Greek language.
The issue there is that Greek is a quite rich language and many things could not really be translated. The word "logos" (word) has really a lot of meanings.

The scripture states that the logos is God and that the logos "took a tent" among us. This points directly at Christ, if you ask me.
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^yes dickhead i am god almighty in the flesh.. the lord has spoken ;)
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No. If Jesus was God, who was he praying to? In his own words he said he came to do HIS FATHER'S WILL. Why is this even debatable?
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I think it is impossible to really introduce the concept of trinity here in the forum, it is too complex.

Let's say that the father, the son and the ghost are God, "unmixed and and undivided" as the church believes. Son as God and man could quite well pray to father God.
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No. If Jesus was God, who was he praying to? In his own words he said he came to do HIS FATHER'S WILL. Why is this even debatable?
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I think it is impossible to really introduce the concept of trinity here in the forum, it is too complex.

Let's say that the father, the son and the ghost are God, "unmixed and and undivided" as the church believes. Son as God and man could quite well pray to father God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27014094


It's really not that complex. God is not the author of confusion. If I have a son, he is a part of me and my likeness. Christ is the likeness of the Father.

Scripture also suggests that the RuAch (holy spirit) is effiminate (female). SHE is the COMFORTER. Makes perfect sense to me: man, woman, & child

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After these things He went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax office, sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, "Follow Me."

And he left all, rose up, and followed Him.




"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."
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Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.


Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever!
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