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Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused

 
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God is the creator.

He created Jesus in His image.

Think of Jesus as God's twin son.
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Hi everyone, is Jesus GOD, yes or no?

thanks, Rich
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Yes Rich, He is, 'If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father, for the Father and I are one'

Read John 1:1 (He is the Word - spoken word, Logos/Rhema)


go to www.khouse.org

Chuck Missler is amazing to explain a break down of scripture, verse by verse: he is also on Youtube.

Click on the 66/40 - you can listen to his teaching excerpts for free

Jesus was God in the flesh, to show us the character of God

A Father has to give us a son, to carry on His name - understand? His name is Jesus,the Christ (Saviour)

To have us reconciled to Him, He (God) sent Himself to us, for a pure sin offering, so that we could have His grace and salvation.

Read also Romans 5:5 - 'The love of God is a gift, given to us by the Holy Spirit' who Jesus left behind as a Comforter to teach us truth, his is the best Counsellor we could have to reveal things to us, little by little - a Father always leaves behind something to comfort us while He is away building a home for us - He left us His spirit, so that we would have Him 'in Spirit' until He returns for His bride, the Church (those who believe in Him, and are walking according to His purposes Romans 10.9)

Also He promises 'those who seek Me diligently will find Me'

Keep seeking Him - trust in Him only - He is the author of your life

Blessings
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YES...Jesus is God in the flesh
He is the Savior of the world.
He is the ONLY way to the Father
He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
He loves you.
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No, He is the Son of God.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17
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Exactly.

A living image in flesh of God.
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YES...Jesus is God in the flesh
He is the Savior of the world.
He is the ONLY way to the Father
He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
He loves you.
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Don't listen to them Rich! Lol!!
I'm sure you're an intelligent lad and will figure it out...it doesn't take much. Refer back to the link you posted. Often! :-)
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He is both God and the son of God, part of the Holy Trinity.
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Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord, Jesus is sovereign. Miss that and you miss God's point entirely.
Unless you believe that Jesus is God, the great I AM, the Messiah, you will die in your sins. From the lips of Jesus
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Is that your definition of sovereignity dying a painful death at hands of others? Why have Chrisitians became so stupid!

Read here, the opposite was true:

38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. John 6

Father, … 10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread. Mat 6

Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done. Luke 22:42

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven but he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in Heaven.


Turn from your blasphemies, pagan Christians. It´s already too late. The Tribulation of yours has began. Hurry UP. Draw nearest, you can to the Father. Jesus is the narrow Door to. Go through, do not stay at the door hindering others to move on.
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Jesus is Horus or the cosmic Christ , our sun
That being said Christians also believe in Jehovah which really is Jupiter
Also Yahweh is the same as the sun
Even Joan or arc stated Jesus Is archangel Michael
Perhaps some Christian groups are connected to the great white brotherhood of light or conditional love indirectly through the name of Jesus
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No

Jesus says you can find Truth but that he is not Truth.

Is it possible for a good person to make a mistake.

Yes.

Is it possible to like Jesus and Truth?

Yes.

Basically confusion is a negative effect like damnation is negative.

The annihilation of damnation would leave only salvation in existence.

Since Truth is infinite...there is no way to resist.

You can try to...but you never will never defeat Truth.

Which is good...or bad if you don't like the existence of existence.

It's inevitable you will figure it out even if you can't now.

But until you do figure it out...you suffer...for an eternity.
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Jesus is the flesh,Christ is the spirit,as we all are,a house divided cannot stand...there is no god because we all whom have the same spirit created the religious concepts including gods,goddesses,saviors,prophets,devils,angels,etc...in order for any flesh to understand the "bible" or any other religious text,we must read it as first person spirit to see the mistranslations that lead away from our shared spirit within and correct them...we are the creators,our spirit existed before the creation/creations..we within were not created,we have always existed...we have no beginning and no end as creations do...Revelations says god is the alpha and the omega,so that shows god is a concept that has a beginning and an end...we are co-creator spirit within and have no beginning and no end...we are forever because god the concept has a beginning and an end,alpha and omega...love..our spirit is love and light but we can allow the concepts to bring hate,fear, and darkness to our flesh if we choose too...make wise choices,please remember we are spirit within first...

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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I think it's more complex than our limited framework of whether Jesus IS or IS NOT God.

In my view, they are one yet they are different. Then again, we all contain some of the Divine within ourselves, but I'm sure Christ was much closer in that sense.

Jesus is within God, God is within Jesus, but they were operating on two different levels (I'm not sure if the term "dimensions" applies here).

In the end, such labels only divide us when we're meant to feel the connection between ourselves, Jesus, and God. It doesn't matter who's who. It's all good.


By the way, I like the "think of Jesus as God's twin son" metaphor.

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I think it's more complex than our limited framework of whether Jesus IS or IS NOT God.

In my view, they are one yet they are different. Then again, we all contain some of the Divine within ourselves, but I'm sure Christ was much closer in that sense.

Jesus is within God, God is within Jesus, but they were operating on two different levels (I'm not sure if the term "dimensions" applies here).

In the end, such labels only divide us when we're meant to feel the connection between ourselves, Jesus, and God. It doesn't matter who's who. It's all good.


By the way, I like the "think of Jesus as God's twin son" metaphor.
 Quoting: Alfie Dee


It does matter because of this:

or I the LORD thy God am a jealous God...Ex 20:5


His followers should not add even more pain to Jesus´ wounds inflicted alredy.

6And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
7Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. << Zechariah 13 >>
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Here we go again... Ascribing pathetic human traits like vengeance, jealousy, anger etc to the most powerful, intelligent being ever, GOD.

And you base your thinking on what Mad Moses and other men wrote, and in doing so you make GOD sound unintelligent.

Amazing!

If you have the time please have a listen to this lecture.

Maybe after this you will spend more time getting to know GOD, and less time defending the BOOK!

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Here we go again... Ascribing pathetic human traits like vengeance, jealousy, anger etc to the most powerful, intelligent being ever, GOD.

And you base your thinking on what Mad Moses and other men wrote, and in doing so you make GOD sound unintelligent.

Amazing!

If you have the time please have a listen to this lecture.

Maybe after this you will spend more time getting to know GOD, and less time defending the BOOK!


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...you cant get to know a concept but you can get to know your spirit within is supposed to control the ark it lives in...if the ark is not well cared for,the spirit is smothered within...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Hi everyone, is Jesus GOD, yes or no?

thanks, Rich
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Hi Rich. If you say Our Lady's original Rosary then you won't be confused. But I'm guessing you don't so here's a summary. Christ who is the saviour the messiah came down about 2000 years ago with Our Lady the Mother of God. People started bowing down to him because they started to clue in that whatever they were worshipping or made to worship because of the powers that be was a epic failure. The powers that be who work for lucifer didn't like that because lucifer got mad at them for not getting souls to lucifer so they killed God so no one else would know that he was God. But then God came back to set up the sacraments so that everyone who wanted to know the truth would get a chance to know that God indeed did come to tell us he was God. but since he died and since he really doesn't what to come back everytime some ass whole jew says that the messiah is coming and that He is not God and get crucified again and again. Which is fair in my opinion cause then he would be getting crucified every 5 seconds so that idea is a bust. So the jews knew that the sacraments and I mean the real catholic sacraments would let people know that Christ was in fact God their maker and that knowledge would save them from giving in to lucifer they took over the church and wrote the bible about some jewish freemasonic initiate named jesus. You see God made lucifer and he justs wants to piss off God. That's all
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I see it is with common sense. When he refers to himself as God, he was referring to that piece of God within himself similar everyone else. So in a sense he is God, but he is more the Son of God, then God himself. I think this is why so many get confused.

You see God is everything, it's difficult to fit everything into a single vessel or book for that matter.
Through will of thought we control our emotions and thoughts are often no more difficult to control then we make them to be.
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God is the creator.

He created Jesus in His image.

Think of Jesus as God's twin son.
 Quoting: The Tauremini


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Jesus was NOT created he is begotten as 1 with GOD..Jesus is part of the GOD that encompasses:

GOD the Spirit
GOD the SON
GOD the Holy Spirit


a Triune GOD which is 1..
We are created in his image


OP you are the flesh
Op you are the soul
Op you are the spirit


OP you are 1.....



Jesus is part of the eternal GOD, begotten not made...

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If you don't stand for your faith, then you won't stand at all....
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The Son is coequal, coeternal and consubstantial with the Father.
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I had a few spare minutes so I decided to examine the quest answering "Is Jesus God?"

Whilst I am not 100% sure I really don't believe he is. And I base those thoughts on Jesus' alleged actual words. I think I can trust Jesus.

The "i am" evidence has several flaws that most people have never even considered because they don't study correctly, and don't read with an analytical mind.

GOD gave you one so you probably should use it! shouldn't you?

1. All those people and those Bible versions who have "I AM" or "I Am" as evidence are telling fibs. Jesus probably spoke Aramaic and everyone knows (well I hope they do) that Aramaic and Ancient Hebrew didn't have capital letters.

So to type it with capitals is to give it far more emphasis than may have been meant. Should our translations be at least somewhat accurate without changing emphases?

2. Moses was the one who alleged that GOD said "i am who i am" or "i am that i am". Now this doesn't make any sense at all. Instead of saying "The GOD of Israel sent me" he was meant to say "i am" sent me?

BUT Moses has more problems than that - Credibility being one of them. Moses using the term "GOD said" to justify everything, was a war criminal. He taught stoning,ethnic cleansing, slavery, infanticide and abortion.

Oh you didn't know about abortion?

Numbers 5:16-22 (NIV) “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord."

Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.

After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.

Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.

But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—

here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”


Do you really think that the most intelligent being ever allowed Moses and his priests to add dust to water as a test for fidelity? Note : But only fidelity for the woman. Surely this is absurd, isn't it?

But Jesus contradicts many of Moses' accounts with one line

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Is Moses or Jesus lying... Whose version do you trust more?

See some massive problems here with Moses' credibility? See a problem here with GOD and abortion?

3. Jesus very occasionally used the term "i am" but in one particular instance he gave more detail.

Matthew 8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.

People read this line, grab it and pretend it aligns with the OT "i am who i am" line from Moses the terrible, BUT, and miss the key word… Abraham!

If Jesus had have said “before adam I am” then that would have put him before man.

BUT Abraham? Abraham is nowhere near the first in this alleged genealogy.

Something is definitely wrong, and believers just read over it as if it was nothing.

Jesus is saying he goes back to before Abraham… This is a crazy choice knowing as GOD he has to go back to before Adam at least another 19 generations according to this site!

[link to www.abetterhope.com]

So how do believers miss this stuff? How do they believe in the atrocities of Moses as "from GOD"? - Does your GOD allow people to be like Moses, and to comit the crimes of Moses?

And how do they accept "i am" as meaning so much when it is very peculiarly used in both cases?

I'll let you ponder those dilemmas for a little while.

Lastly people quote all manner of passages, (usually said by men or reported by men like Paul or from John in Revelations again purporting to be from GOD) that claim Jesus is GOD.

Can we trust men's views on making this decision or should the only version that merits consideration be that of Jesus the "Son of GOD" as declared. He was on Earth afterall and surely it is following his precise teachings that make you Christian.

Why didn't the most intelligent being ever simply say "I am GOD" if Jesus was truly GOD. GOD said this -

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


I hope this has helped in sorting the wheat from the charf.

Good luck with your studies.

I eagerly await the abuse from Christians who don't know their Bibles!

lolsign
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This is an excellent post which will inevitably be ignored.
Even now today COMMON SENSE AND THINKING FOR YOURSELF IS A SIN !

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Yeshua is the earthly manifestation of God's essence. He is the word that God spoke into the abyss and started the torus of creation.
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I had a few spare minutes so I decided to examine the quest answering "Is Jesus God?"

Whilst I am not 100% sure I really don't believe he is. And I base those thoughts on Jesus' alleged actual words. I think I can trust Jesus.

The "i am" evidence has several flaws that most people have never even considered because they don't study correctly, and don't read with an analytical mind.

GOD gave you one so you probably should use it! shouldn't you?

1. All those people and those Bible versions who have "I AM" or "I Am" as evidence are telling fibs. Jesus probably spoke Aramaic and everyone knows (well I hope they do) that Aramaic and Ancient Hebrew didn't have capital letters.

So to type it with capitals is to give it far more emphasis than may have been meant. Should our translations be at least somewhat accurate without changing emphases?

2. Moses was the one who alleged that GOD said "i am who i am" or "i am that i am". Now this doesn't make any sense at all. Instead of saying "The GOD of Israel sent me" he was meant to say "i am" sent me?

BUT Moses has more problems than that - Credibility being one of them. Moses using the term "GOD said" to justify everything, was a war criminal. He taught stoning,ethnic cleansing, slavery, infanticide and abortion.

Oh you didn't know about abortion?

Numbers 5:16-22 (NIV) “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord."

Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.

After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.

Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.

But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—

here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”


Do you really think that the most intelligent being ever allowed Moses and his priests to add dust to water as a test for fidelity? Note : But only fidelity for the woman. Surely this is absurd, isn't it?

But Jesus contradicts many of Moses' accounts with one line

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Is Moses or Jesus lying... Whose version do you trust more?

See some massive problems here with Moses' credibility? See a problem here with GOD and abortion?

3. Jesus very occasionally used the term "i am" but in one particular instance he gave more detail.

Matthew 8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.

People read this line, grab it and pretend it aligns with the OT "i am who i am" line from Moses the terrible, BUT, and miss the key word… Abraham!

If Jesus had have said “before adam I am” then that would have put him before man.

BUT Abraham? Abraham is nowhere near the first in this alleged genealogy.

Something is definitely wrong, and believers just read over it as if it was nothing.

Jesus is saying he goes back to before Abraham… This is a crazy choice knowing as GOD he has to go back to before Adam at least another 19 generations according to this site!

[link to www.abetterhope.com]

So how do believers miss this stuff? How do they believe in the atrocities of Moses as "from GOD"? - Does your GOD allow people to be like Moses, and to comit the crimes of Moses?

And how do they accept "i am" as meaning so much when it is very peculiarly used in both cases?

I'll let you ponder those dilemmas for a little while.

Lastly people quote all manner of passages, (usually said by men or reported by men like Paul or from John in Revelations again purporting to be from GOD) that claim Jesus is GOD.

Can we trust men's views on making this decision or should the only version that merits consideration be that of Jesus the "Son of GOD" as declared. He was on Earth afterall and surely it is following his precise teachings that make you Christian.

Why didn't the most intelligent being ever simply say "I am GOD" if Jesus was truly GOD. GOD said this -

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


I hope this has helped in sorting the wheat from the charf.

Good luck with your studies.

I eagerly await the abuse from Christians who don't know their Bibles!

lolsign
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This is an excellent post which will inevitably be ignored.
Even now today COMMON SENSE AND THINKING FOR YOURSELF IS A SIN !

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OP, this is how I believe because I saw it in my mind. Jesus is part of the Father, He literally stepped out of the Father. He is the part of the Father that we can interact with. He is the bridge to the Father.

Everything else and everyone else.....was created through Jesus for Jesus.

I know it's not possible to completely grasp this, how can we when we don't have a reference point in the physical to compare it to?

Just have faith.

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OP, this is how I believe because I saw it in my mind. Jesus is part of the Father, He literally stepped out of the Father. He is the part of the Father that we can interact with. He is the bridge to the Father.

Everything else and everyone else.....was created through Jesus for Jesus.

I know it's not possible to completely grasp this, how can we when we don't have a reference point in the physical to compare it to?

Just have faith.

hf
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Lisa TY for your honesty.

The problem is with that one statement that you saw it in your mind, (thought it), and then believed your thought 100% that it must be true.

Well that is simpy wrong, any psychologist will tell you that. A simple thought can become a simple belief way too easily!

But continuing with what Jesus said... I guess we should consider his opinion over mankinds, shouldn't we?

Men have been very wrong with Bible stuff since the beginning. They have used GOD to justify all manner of atrocities, and you guiys don't even blink.

If Jesus and GOD are one, then Jesus must be lying in many of the passages that follow.

John 1:18 NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

AND

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. YE HAVE NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME, NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE.

AND

John 6:46 NOT THAT ANY MAN HATH SEEN THE FATHER, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

To actually argue what people are arguing here means Jesus can't be telling the truth here as they are ONE!

And why are you ignoring the following words spoken by JESUS yet you rely so heavily on humans?

Jesus said "Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Why the obvious separation between Jesus and GOD in Jesus' words?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (GOD) should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It is very clear that the him is GOD who sent Jesus ... NOT Jesus! It is shown in John 5:24 for if it is wrong Jesus should never have said what he said in John 5:24 because it is untrue according to you people.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

But let's cover a few more examples of people who call themselves Christians ignoring Jesus' teachings to push their own agendas.

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8).

Earlier someone presented this and yet this is embarrassingly simple to answer.

Sorry for the length of this post.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ (one entity), which God (another entity)gave unto him (Jesus), to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel ( a third entity) unto his servant John:

Why didn't Jesus say Revelation 1:8 when he was on Earth?

Why did he allegedly deliver it through a 3rd Party in Revelations? And modern scholarship doesn't even believe it was through the Apostle John.

BUT worse why did he go so far out of his way NOT to say that when he was on Earth? He referred to himself as the SON OF MAN!

Instead of simply saying "I AM GOD" he refused to say it...

BUT even Jesus' own words won't get you to question what you think is right and yet is wrong. Read what I originally posted - Jesus' own words when he was on Earth!

And some more

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, GOD.

Here Jesus loudly makes a distinction between GOD and himself. Doesn't he? He wouldn't have said it if he were GOD!

Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I (Jesus) will, but as thou (GOD) wilt.”


Was he praying to himself here? Was he begging himself to stop this thing? It is obvious he is asking GOD (his father in heaven)to reconsider. How can he be GOD and do this?

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

GOD has life in himself, and Jesus has life in his own right. Note the separation here! It is very important!

John 5:30 I (JESUS) can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father (GOD) which hath sent me.

Jesus says, without GOD I can do nothing... This is loudly yelling we are separate entities OR Jesus is being deceiptful... Would Jesus be deceiptful and lie?

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Jesus sees his father (GOD) do things and does the same! If he were one entity he wouldn't have stated this!

Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven.

If Jesus is GOD and the father why did he teach people to pray like this?

Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

So Jesus has foresaken himself... Who is he pleading to? It can only be GOD.

Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

So Jesus says you can criticise Jesus BUT you can't criticise the Holy Ghost as that is unforgiveable? Where did the trinity disappear to with this statement?

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


This is Jesus showing oneness... We can be as one BUT we aren't one entity with GOD. Can you be GOD or Jesus? NO!
This should be burning into your retnas!

Jesus said to his disciples

John 5:30-31 "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father (GOD) which hath sent me (JESUS).

If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."


Do you believe Jesus yet? He is explaining this stuff in great detail and yet his words seem to mean nothing!

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father (GOD) will send in my (JESUS") name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Three entities here... all separately mentioned, clearly and presisely!

BUT seeing you like seem to prefer men's teachings even Paul is confused!

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 For he hath put all things under his (JESUS') feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he (GOD) is excepted, which did put all things under him.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Paul says that everything is under Jesus except GOD himself. Is Paul wrong here and GOD and JESUS are equal? That's not what it says!

But the line I always love most is this one

1 John 5:7-8 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


Please search this in Google - Everyone should know by now that it didn't appear in the original Greek versions but was added by scribes much later.

It was first observed listed in the margin, "IN LATIN" and so was added to strengthen the case for GOD and Jesus being one being.

It is called "The Johannine Comma". It is very hard to defend BUT some believers will do anything to hang on to the false doctrine of the trinity.

They won't even trust Jesus...lol

Research it for yourselves!
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And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. Luke 18:19


Although he was a son(Jesus), he learned obedience from what he suffered Hebrews 5:8

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? John 10:34
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nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21
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nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21
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Hi everyone, is Jesus GOD, yes or no?

thanks, Rich
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I asked a priest the same question. Nice to know others are condused about this as well. The priest said "Jesus is God"..now granted you question, does the priest know everything?
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Hi everyone, is Jesus GOD, yes or no?

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Yes Jesus was God in the flesh. Sent as an atonement for mankind's sins. The only way one can be born again and delivered from death is by accepting Jesus Christ as savior and repenting(changing) from a life of sin. The only one can live with Agape (true love), love that is pure, and not perverted or selfish, is with the holy spirit which is basically Jesus/God dwelling inside us to direct us and help us to stand against the principalities of power that war against us.
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As I understand it He was the Almighty in the last three years of his, when preparing for his death.
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The Godhead

[Part 1]:

Isaiah 55:8-9
8) For my thoughts are not your thoughts,

neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9) For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

so are my ways higher than your ways,

and my thoughts than your thoughts.


Proverbs 3:5-7
5) Trust in the Lord with all thine heart;

and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6) In all thy ways acknowledge him,

and he shall direct thy paths.


7) Be not wise in thine own eyes:

fear the Lord, and depart from evil.


[Part 2]:


1 John 4:1-3
1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


2 John 1:7
7) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


Genesis 1:26
26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


John 1:1-16
1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2) The same was in the beginning with God.

3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7) The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8) He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15) John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16) And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.


Isaiah 9:6
6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:

and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,

The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Philippians 2:5-11
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Hebrews 1:1-14
1) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

4) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6) And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7) And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10) And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12) And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


Hebrews 2:9-18
9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

12) Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

13) And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15) And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16) For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17) Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

18) For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.



Hebrews 3:6-11
6) But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

7) Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

9) When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

10) Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

11) So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)


1 Timothy 3:16
16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Isaiah 48:11-12
11) For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it:

for how should my name be polluted?

and I will not give my glory unto another.


12) Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called;

I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.


Revelation 22:13
13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Revelation 1:8-11
8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9) I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10) I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Isaiah 43:11-15
11) I, even I, am the Lord;

and beside me there is no saviour.

12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed,

when there was no strange god among you:

therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.

13) Yea, before the day was I am he;

and there is none that can deliver out of my hand:

I will work, and who shall let it?

14) Thus saith the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.

15) I am the Lord, your Holy One,

the creator of Israel, your King.


John 18:4-6
4) Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

5) They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

6) As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.


Isaiah 44:6
6) Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel,

and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;

I am the first, and I am the last;

and beside me there is no God.


Isaiah 63:8
8) For he said, Surely they are my people,

children that will not lie:

so he was their Saviour.


John 8:23-24
23) And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


Luke 9:18-22
18) And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?

19) They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.

20) He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

21) And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing;

22) Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.


Ephesians 4:9-10
9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


Colossians 2:8-9
8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


James 3:9
9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.


John 13:3
3) Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;


John 13:31-32
31) Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

32) If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.


John 16:27-28
27) For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

28) I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.


John 17:5
5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


John 17:17
17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


John 8:32-36
32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


1 Corinthians 10:1-4
1) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Acts 17:23-31
23)For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24) God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25) Neither is worshiped with men 's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26) And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27) That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man 's device.

30) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (KJV)


John 14:16-18
16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


1 John 5:7-8
7) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8) And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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Religiontards: Jesus himself says that the people are God. God is the life itself. So we are the same as God as Jesus.

“The people are God. One could also say “a part of God”. A personified God with long beard or sitting on a cloud does not exist.” (Jesus Christ; 97 05 13)


Concerning belief:

The faith alone is only from intellectual nature and is not able to change even a single human.


If you try to live in love it is irrelevant which religion you belong to or whether you do believe in God or not.

All that speak of God´s wrath and so on - do not understand anything.

„There is no God, who punishes. God, the original substance of existence is pure love. Humans are responsible for themselves what happens to them. They create their future. “
(Jesus Christ; 97 12 01)


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