Is Jesus GOD....i'm so confused

But Jesus is NOT THE 2ND PERSON OF THE TRINITY, that is a lie created by the Roman church. The holy Spirit is not female either, but HIS daughters who are the universe mothers are, per se. The comforter is not the Holy Spirit, The SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS THE COMFORTER which was bestowed by MIchael of Nebadon, OUR Nebadon Father, who came as Jesus. He is our CREATOR SON, but not the 2nd person of the Trinity. His "parentage" is the Universal Father and the Eternal Son which is 2nd person trinity. The SPIRIT OF TRUTH and that is or at least was in the KJV, is mostly a living COPY of MIchael's Mind with some input by Mother Spirit. It is a LIBRARY in essense that can be accessed thru ones Father Fragment.

His "consort" Nebadonia is our HOLY SPIRIT, and her parentage IS the Infinite Spirit. She is a daughter of the Infinite Spirit. Every LOCAL universe has a Creator Son and a Holy Spirit. There are 700.000 local universes. All of them HUGE. Nebadon has already 3.8 million planets which have evolved intelligent life.

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 11/04/2012 08:17 PM

Does it matter?

Just think of Yeshua as the doorman. Get on his good side and he'll let you in to the show!

John 14:6

I had a few spare minutes so I decided to examine the quest answering "Is Jesus God?"

Whilst I am not 100% sure I really don't believe he is. And I base those thoughts on Jesus' alleged actual words. I think I can trust Jesus.

The "i am" evidence has several flaws that most people have never even considered because they don't study correctly, and don't read with an analytical mind.

GOD gave you one so you probably should use it! shouldn't you?

1. All those people and those Bible versions who have "I AM" or "I Am" as evidence are telling fibs. Jesus probably spoke Aramaic and everyone knows (well I hope they do) that Aramaic and Ancient Hebrew didn't have capital letters.

So to type it with capitals is to give it far more emphasis than may have been meant. Should our translations be at least somewhat accurate without changing emphases?

2. Moses was the one who alleged that GOD said "i am who i am" or "i am that i am". Now this doesn't make any sense at all. Instead of saying "The GOD of Israel sent me" he was meant to say "i am" sent me?

BUT Moses has more problems than that - Credibility being one of them. Moses using the term "GOD said" to justify everything, was a war criminal. He taught stoning,ethnic cleansing, slavery, infanticide and abortion.

Oh you didn't know about abortion?

Numbers 5:16-22 (NIV) “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord."

Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.

After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.

Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.

But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—

here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

Do you really think that the most intelligent being ever allowed Moses and his priests to add dust to water as a test for fidelity? Note : But only fidelity for the woman. Surely this is absurd, isn't it?

But Jesus contradicts many of Moses' accounts with one line

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Is Moses or Jesus lying... Whose version do you trust more?

See some massive problems here with Moses' credibility? See a problem here with GOD and abortion?

3. Jesus very occasionally used the term "i am" but in one particular instance he gave more detail.

Matthew 8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.

People read this line, grab it and pretend it aligns with the OT "i am who i am" line from Moses the terrible, BUT, and miss the key word… Abraham!

If Jesus had have said “before adam I am” then that would have put him before man.

BUT Abraham? Abraham is nowhere near the first in this alleged genealogy.

Something is definitely wrong, and believers just read over it as if it was nothing.

Jesus is saying he goes back to before Abraham… This is a crazy choice knowing as GOD he has to go back to before Adam at least another 19 generations according to this site!

[link to www.abetterhope.com]

So how do believers miss this stuff? How do they believe in the atrocities of Moses as "from GOD"? - Does your GOD allow people to be like Moses, and to comit the crimes of Moses?

And how do they accept "i am" as meaning so much when it is very peculiarly used in both cases?

I'll let you ponder those dilemmas for a little while.

Lastly people quote all manner of passages, (usually said by men or reported by men like Paul or from John in Revelations again purporting to be from GOD) that claim Jesus is GOD.

Can we trust men's views on making this decision or should the only version that merits consideration be that of Jesus the "Son of GOD" as declared. He was on Earth afterall and surely it is following his precise teachings that make you Christian.

Why didn't the most intelligent being ever simply say "I am GOD" if Jesus was truly GOD. GOD said this -

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


I hope this has helped in sorting the wheat from the charf.

Good luck with your studies.

I eagerly await the abuse from Christians who don't know their Bibles!

Whom but God alone could overcome Hell, whom but God alone has the power to release the spirits which by eternal law were forever condemned. Whom but God alone can not be truly killed whom is immortal and eternal with infinite power and omnipresent.

Man shall one day know the mystery of wonders for now focus on the name Jesus and what was done for you. Whom Jesus is beyond the name of incarnation of that time is a mystery shown in the Millenium.

False Christs which do not repent shall be taken into the pit and those whom follow them and do not repent before that day shall be taken also.

It is best you stop spreading your poisons unto the field.

dont worry about it

Mystery of Omnipresence...

Quantum physics in it theorys may hold answer to thou question. Some of mans knowledge is relevant but much is distorted.

No, Jesus is not God or the Son of God, Jesus is a Prophet just like all the others. Read the Quran or Google the Quran about this

Ye know not what ye speak and are decieved all religions hold corruption some more than others, the middle eastern have been decieved most Molech is behind much of the religions like the Quran, he wet by name Allah pretending to be God and has people worship his image by the Mecca stone.

Jesus is Horus or the cosmic Christ , our sun
That being said Christians also believe in Jehovah which really is Jupiter
Also Yahweh is the same as the sun
Even Joan or arc stated Jesus Is archangel Michael
Perhaps some Christian groups are connected to the great white brotherhood of light or conditional love indirectly through the name of Jesus

And by the way we are all one with God , the universal creator Source or One

deceptions world is decieved knows not. Jesus is God. God came to save the lost, the word Son means something more than english definiation.

Yes Jesus was God in the flesh. Sent as an atonement for mankind's sins. The only way one can be born again and delivered from death is by accepting Jesus Christ as savior and repenting(changing) from a life of sin. The only one can live with Agape (true love), love that is pure, and not perverted or selfish, is with the holy spirit which is basically Jesus/God dwelling inside us to direct us and help us to stand against the principalities of power that war against us.

Ye are not divine but a fallen spirit in similitude to your Father Satan, offer adoption by the true God. Why do you think it was said ye being evil know how give good gifts, ye only know because God which is good gave Light to world through the Son Jesus. I am that I am.

Ye have potentional to be a god if choose good. Or remain a devil if choose evil.

Son of God

I see a lot of people spreading false doctrine and lies on this post. Be very careful. The King James Version bible is the living breathing word of God. The full truth can be found therein. Christianity isn't about religion but about a personal relationship with Christ. It's hard to find a church today that teaches sound doctrine.

Jesus Christ is savior of mankind if you have any questions how to be saved or about the word of god, send me a PM and I'll help you.

God Bless Friend.

He is both God and the son of God, part of the Holy Trinity.

A god can't be evil?

Not deception, only in your limited mind I guess
Discernment is important though
Look within and you will know

Ye know not whom you insult for that reason I forgive you but caution you against it.

they are not a god if evil.

Well some people would consider Jehovah or Jupiter evil in the Old Testament , he did some nasty shit to humanity
Wasn't Jehovah considered a god

I would do some real research on king James
You Christians trust this guy? Lol
Get a grip, the voice of god is within your heart not some silly book

Bible has deceptions also.

The christians don't even know mate...

God is the creator.

He created Jesus in His image.

Think of Jesus as God's twin son.

The Godhead

[Part 1]:

Isaiah 55:8-9
8) For my thoughts are not your thoughts,

neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9) For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

so are my ways higher than your ways,

and my thoughts than your thoughts.


Proverbs 3:5-7
5) Trust in the Lord with all thine heart;

and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6) In all thy ways acknowledge him,

and he shall direct thy paths.


7) Be not wise in thine own eyes:

fear the Lord, and depart from evil.


[Part 2]:


1 John 4:1-3
1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


2 John 1:7
7) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


Genesis 1:26
26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


John 1:1-16
1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2) The same was in the beginning with God.

3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7) The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8) He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15) John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16) And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.


Isaiah 9:6
6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:

and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,

The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Philippians 2:5-11
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Hebrews 1:1-14
1) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

4) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6) And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7) And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10) And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12) And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


Hebrews 2:9-18
9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

12) Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

13) And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15) And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16) For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17) Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

18) For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.



Hebrews 3:6-11
6) But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

7) Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

9) When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

10) Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

11) So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)


1 Timothy 3:16
16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Isaiah 48:11-12
11) For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it:

for how should my name be polluted?

and I will not give my glory unto another.


12) Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called;

I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.


Revelation 22:13
13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Revelation 1:8-11
8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9) I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10) I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.


Isaiah 43:11-15
11) I, even I, am the Lord;

and beside me there is no saviour.

12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed,

when there was no strange god among you:

therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.

13) Yea, before the day was I am he;

and there is none that can deliver out of my hand:

I will work, and who shall let it?

14) Thus saith the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.

15) I am the Lord, your Holy One,

the creator of Israel, your King.


John 18:4-6
4) Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

5) They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

6) As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.


Isaiah 44:6
6) Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel,

and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;

I am the first, and I am the last;

and beside me there is no God.


Isaiah 63:8
8) For he said, Surely they are my people,

children that will not lie:

so he was their Saviour.


John 8:23-24
23) And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


Luke 9:18-22
18) And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?

19) They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.

20) He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

21) And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing;

22) Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.


Ephesians 4:9-10
9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


Colossians 2:8-9
8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


James 3:9
9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.


John 13:3
3) Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;


John 13:31-32
31) Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

32) If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.


John 16:27-28
27) For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

28) I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.


John 17:5
5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


John 17:17
17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


John 8:32-36
32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


1 Corinthians 10:1-4
1) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Acts 17:23-31
23)For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24) God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25) Neither is worshiped with men 's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26) And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27) That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man 's device.

30) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (KJV)


John 14:16-18
16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


1 John 5:7-8
7) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8) And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Atheists need to acknowledge that not everyone is what they claim. Isn't that the point? I think atheists just love to generalize everyone, in order to boost their ego. This is where biblical knowledge is key.

So many "Christians" and not ONE lick of biblical proof or Scripture.