Honestly, why do you think Lucifer rebelled?

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Last Edited by Open Your Eyes on 11/04/2012 07:43 PM

Now don't LoL me Lucifer :)

You say you was bread to be the next Lucifer.
Greetings to the great Family then :)

And have some fancy wings when time comes :P

I still love you !

Well, from reading Revelation 21, up to the end of Bible we get only a brief textual description of God's New Jerusalem.
It does sound too self centered, too symmetric, pompous and dry.

Just like our current courts of Law and when I get into those I feel really bad, just from being there and looking around. So the description the authors on the Bible gave might not be a good indication of it.

We dont know how is to live under God's New Jerusalem. One could assume the Father know what is best for us. And one could assume that we cant really properly evaluate it, because "our perceptions are incomplete, rigged so to speak".

One cannot say that we know how is to live under the Law, because it has always been corrupt, always hybrids, always tares. No particular time period of our history can provide a good example of what would be like under God's tutelage.

But on the other hand
Well, now we know how is to live under Lucifer's. Sorta.
So far, I dont like it. I feel like Lot in Babylon. People are so deceived (christian perspective) or disconnected/asleep (luciferian perspective) that doesnt feel right. The values of the human being are wrong, we have lost most standards. I dont feel like going around praying on the weak/dumb either. It feels like the design of human beings couldnt possibly match the design of Lucifer's. Neither what we have now could possibly be up to whatever standards he intended. For example, God gave us different and unique gifts, but gave us the same needs. It seems like a very complicated mechanism to breed conflict. How could Lucifer counter it? Doesnt feel like he ever cared about it, unless you think the Social Contract or the Declaration of Human Rights amount to anything. On the Bible, we have the doctrine designed to mitigate/balance "complete" free will and uniqueness/individuality under the Law of God.

The thing is, it seems like Lucifer barelly got started as well. It feels like he spent 10 thousand years just designing and implementing to get to this point. You see, his Golden Age didnt started yet.

No seriously, look up Hermes Trismegistus. He wrote books older than ones written by Moses (aka the Torah, the Old Testament...4500BC when Hermes works is 9000 BCE)

And in his writing he called this dude "God," which is true because he did create the world, but he's not the True God. This dude is light and dark, like duality God.

If I were Hermes I'd believe the same thing he did because this God really made some awesome revelations.

But, thank Yeshua, the one who died on the cross almost 2000 years ago. He comes from Father and only He is the way to the Father. By hearing of His Gospel, by the Holy Ghost the truth is revealed.

A lot of people believe in the same God as Hermes did, the Jews, Catholics, etc. Some even say he is even Jesus Christ, which may be true. Thats why I call Him Yeshua, because Yeshua is not this God who forms the light and creates darkness (Isaiah 45:7).

That is Yaldaboath, that is who many many people worship, thinking he is the true God, because he DOES deceives the WHOLE world (Revelations 12:9)

I enjoy your sassy personality!



Last Edited by Open Your Eyes on 11/04/2012 07:50 PM

Gods have agendas
Deceiving is merely a game.

The Creator (or Source) is the only so called G0D i can aknowledge.

Hermes was just a "priest" preaching.
Is people's problem if they bow to everyone that can play with their minds.

Lucifer is just a concept.
In fact, the name is describing a planet in the sky.
You all assume that Lucifer is a he when in fact can be a she too.
Being a concept, its personalisation can be done in many ways.

Rebellion can describe a certain type of energy flowing too

And so on, and so on...

But who am i to speak in front of people who read books full with dead written words ?
Nobody...

So keep Bee-Lie-ving... or keep Bee-Living.
Is your choice :-D

Oh Clever One!

I like you

Lucifer is not the devil ffs. He is the human torch lighting our path. Creating what we call life. Matrix. So we can have choice to be, using the rule of creation and destruction. We are stuck here temporarily. Like a 'creator's boot-camp' per say. Soon the milky way will be our play-ground. Then the universe, then beyond. Why do we have to label everything? Everything is. White hats need black hats because they love to protect. Black hats need white hats because they love to infiltrate. Learning, Creation, destruction. like playing with lego's. Everyone has a place.

Don't tempt me Lucifer :-D



Just Rise and Shine :)

I will tempt you because you like it!

It excites you!

He rebelled because God needed him to do it. Just like Jesus needed Judas to do what he did. Its all part of the plan.

Simple question. Simple answer. He rebelled cause God ordered the angels to bow to adam who was made of clay. Lucifer is an angel of fire and thought he was better than adam. It was the first instance of pride, one the the 7 deadly sins.

who are you talking about?

Judas was framed

He was told to, not framed.

Lucifer stepped outside of God's law. The Law, or commandments are the perfect law of liberty.
He wanted to challenge that law,rebelled, and drew a 1/3 of the angels with him. They were cast out.

Don't you get it, to have a perfect society, you have to have law as a guideline to have harmony within the society.

Take the french revolution, and what happened then.

The 10 commandments are guidelines. If we all kept them, our world wouldn't be in the situation it's in.

OYE then you are Christ Michael son right?
and Esu is your brother the good brother correct?

Why would you want to compete with your Father/God.

Still piecing together the puzzle.

Was told the truth will be revealed to me next month.

And I love my father.

1)The laws can be bent but not never broken
2)Lucifer and 1/3(trinity) volunteered
3)Perfection does not exist entirely, only from a closed point of view.

During the Renaissance it was accepted that Hermes Trismegistus was a contemporary of Moses, however after Casaubon’s dating of the Hermetic writings as no earlier than the second or third century CE, the whole of Renaissance Hermeticism collapsed.

The Hermetica [a work believed written by Hermes] are Egyptian-Greek wisdom texts from the 2nd and 3rd centuries CE

Likewise Gnostic Christianity, is based on books, that dates to around early-mid second century, that's written much later than many of the books of the Bible.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Ah, truth comes packed in Christmas presents :-D

Merry Christmas for you dear :)

Damn, i can feel you :-D

Stop turning me on, u little devil !

Hahaha

So you already know.

How about a hint?

Last Edited by Open Your Eyes on 11/04/2012 09:02 PM

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The extraordinary qualities with which Adam was blessed, physical and spiritual as well, aroused the envy of the angels. They attempted to consume him with fire, and he would have perished, had not the protecting hand of God rested upon him, and established peace between him and the heavenly host. In particular, Satan was jealous of the first man, and his evil thoughts finally led to his fall. After Adam had been endowed with a soul, God invited all the angels to come and pay him reverence and homage. Satan, the greatest of the angels in heaven, with twelve wings, instead of six like all the others, refused to pay heed to the behest of God, saying, "Thou didst create us angels from the splendor of the Shekinah, and now Thou dost command us to cast ourselves down before the creature which Thou didst fashion out of the dust of the ground!" God answered, "Yet this dust of the ground has more wisdom and understanding than thou." Satan demanded a trial of wit with Adam, and God assented thereto, saying: "I have created beasts, birds, and reptiles, I shall have them all come before thee and before Adam. If thou art able to give them names, I shall command Adam to show honor unto thee, and thou shalt rest next to the Shekinah of My glory. But if not, and Adam calls them by the names I have assigned to them, then thou wilt be subject to Adam, and he shall have a place in My garden, and cultivate it." Thus spake God, and He betook Himself to Paradise, Satan following Him. When Adam beheld God, he said to his wife, "O come, let us worship and bow down; let us kneel before the Lord our Maker." Now Satan attempted to assign names to the animals. He failed with the first two that presented themselves, the ox and the cow. God led two others before him, the camel and the donkey, with the same result. Then God turned to Adam, and questioned him regarding the names of the same animals, framing His questions in such wise that the first letter of the first word was the same as the first letter of the name of the animal standing before him. Thus Adam divined the proper name, and Satan was forced to acknowledge the superiority of the first man. Nevertheless he broke out in wild outcries that reached the heavens, and he refused to do homage unto Adam as he had been bidden. The host of angels led by him did likewise, in spite of the urgent representations of Michael, who was the first to prostrate himself before Adam in order to show a good example to the other angels. Michael addressed Satan: "Give adoration to the image of God! But if thou doest it not, then the Lord God will break out in wrath against thee." Satan replied: "If He breaks out in wrath against me, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will be like the Most High!" At once God flung Satan and his host out of heaven, down to the earth, and from that moment dates the enmity between Satan and man.'
– Haggada (volume 1, chapter 2)



And We have given you (mankind) power in the earth, and appointed for you therein livelihoods. Little give ye thanks!
And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.
He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee ? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.
He said: Then go down hence! It is not for thee to show pride here, so go forth! Lo! thou art of those degraded.
– Qur'an 7:10-13

Selfishness. He didn't want to serve others. In other words: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. The correct position is: Do what God wilt shall be the whole of the law. Helping and serving others, especially the less fortunate or more needy, in a family or community is the essence of righteousness and harmonious living.

^THIS^

Humans have a higher station in Heaven than Angels. Lucifer considered man inferior and rebelled. That's why he hates mankind.

Oh, dear :))

You was very well instructed for your next job :)

I am pondering now: should i surrender, or should i call for Crist to save me ?

Or maybe should i have both choices, surrender, lift up after surrending and let the flow showing these beautiful human e-motions...

Well, surprises are surprises.
Wait for Santa, Satan :-D

I cannot tell you how any apples are in your present. Is not Fair :-D

So how did Lucifer evolve mankind faster? by introducing "Freewill" to mankind I believe ?

You know i am am here - Enki