Honestly, why do you think Lucifer rebelled?

Oh, and if Enoch is correct, lucifer and co rebelled because they dug the chicas here...

I would guess they grew to desire the sensual experiences humans have here... the loves, passions, tragedies of the free will God gives us here... it is probably quite seductive... all the emotions expressed... to us they seem quite real and meaningful... they often blind us to the real purpose of the experiences...

plus they resented having to watch and manage us for God without being allowed direct action and control...

lucifer was kept here as part of his punishment and because it served a useful purpose of essentially weeding out God's free will creations...

lucifer's prime objective seems to be control over us and destruction of as many of God's creations as possible... like a hardened convict might wish prison on those who are free...

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Wow, did Lucifer rebeled ? realy ?

Never thought he? did :))

Maybe he? was bored or something and accepted the role :)
Anyway, all stays in the big family :)

But i like the stories about he's wings
Hahaha

Lucifer or Satan? Earth is hell. We should not even be here. Satan tricked us into incarnating or did it by stealing our spirit..

Sounds like you're describing Satan.

If you are talking about the great dragon or serpent, he was made that way from the beginning, for he was always a liar and murderer (John 8:44, KJV).

He was never a model being then went to free will and chose to be bad.

He was a defect from the beginning and then he created this world.

He was made, though he denies it, and he was made out of desire to "self emanate" from the self without the true One who is the source (the Barbelo where Yeshua comes from), hence the devil or who you speak of is made of light and darkness.

He was a mess so he made a mess, which is why the world is so fucked up.

You are brazilian so you know Raul Seixas.
Raul Seixas was one of the first channels of Luciferian philosophy since the baby boom generation.

Similar to Charles Manson perceiving the paradigm shift, except Raul Seixas decided to be a champion mover here on Brazil, just like the Elvis on US or the Beetles were on UK.

All of his songs speak through Lucifer point of view, like "I was born 10 thousand years ago" or the one that is called "Metamorphose Ambulante", wich is basically about change/freedom, and how human beings are subject to change (the new idea presented at the time)

He mocked the "crying rocks" (true christians) in another song and managed to change the perception to the point where to be normal (the current paradigm was to be christian) was to be crazy.

So how something was, or how something is now, is not any indicative by itself. If one, we should evaluate more important things. Christians choose the fruits. I dont know what critery would the Luciferians consider the most important to showcase the "best of their system". Probably for them it is yet to come.

Anyway, when you speak of Jews. Know that Jews were exterminated in the Holocaust mainly because they would not addapt to the idea of civilized europe. Herzel thought to subject jews to "baptism" on the Catholic Church as an strategy to integrate them socially and be more tolerable, but ultimatelly didnt worked out.

We all know how it ended. Same with the Protestants on south of Germany and the millions of Protestants on Russia during the bolchevik revolution.

So changing or not changing, by itself is not a valid point.

Hahaha :))) Well said :))
So well that in fact i understood nothing at all :P

Are you or real ?

Or am i seeing just the light and the dark in you ?
Oh no, Lucifer, is that you ?

Greetings, liar :D

Hahaha :))

Here's more about this specific account:





You can contact the deceased girl's family members, to verify and back up what Kat is saying.

Also here's something interesting.

Many who seen Jesus (in an NDE or taken out of the body) all state he has blue eyes.

In addition, many who state, they went to heaven, that flowers sing.

Kat, also confirms both pieces of information. That Jesus has blue eyes, and that flowers sing in heaven.

She also states, she seen the 4 living creatures around God's throne, described in the Bible.

This little 4 year old girl, taken to heaven, also confirms seeing the 4 living creatures around God. This little girl also confirms, the plants are alive there. She stated the grass was speaking to her. In addition like Kat, she comes across information about the deceased, that was unknown to her. After research, this information was then verified to be true down to the exact details. This includes the information of a little boy that was murdered. She knew his name, and described how he died in exact details.

You know, illusions of grandeur are a well known symptom of narcissistic personality disorder......

Really if anyone wanted to get the full spliel on open your eyes, all you'd have to do is read this entire thread.

Such ignorance these days. If you honestly don't believe in good and evil you are truly blind. It is around us every second of every day. Some folks are filled with darkness, others filled with light. Lucifer is VERY much real, same as our Lord Above! I'm not a Bibletard by any means but when people deny the obvious it is sad.

I weep for your soul. For just a second.

Dad created him to have that attitude. So where does the fault truly lie?

In any event, I find the much more fascinating story revolves around all the idiot humans who think they know anything at all about The Fall.

Where do you think you came from? If it wasn't for that bit of rebellion, you wouldn't even exist.

You are Lucifer and you are Christ.
And you are Blind too.

I weep no for your soul. Don't spend a second on this de-visionary thoughts :-D

Be Love !

Please expand that idea :)

Is fascinating for me.

Please !

The truth is the majority have not investigated what really happened. When God the Father created Man in his image he told the angels to bow before his image. The majority did but Lucifer said that he would not bow before a creation that was of clay/dirt when he was created by spirit/fire because he felt he was above Man he refused to bow, which is why he has done all evil things against humanity, which he hates because we are the image of the creator and his fall was due to not bowing or paying respect to Man GOD's image. You can find this info in the lost books of Adam and Eve 1 and 2 just do a quick search read for yourself

We all have that body.
We all can hold the spirit of Lucifer.
We all can learn to train our Dragons(s)

So why are you better than me ?

Yet, you're not the only one that can do this.

I suggest that all Nobodies move on the same hill :-D

And i was geneticaly modified to love you all :p

Nananana nanaa :-D

it is simple.

Lucifer has many 'defects'

first, he hates authority

second, he is irresponsible

third, in order to compensate for his self inflicted pain, he blames others

fourth, he serves only one being, HIMSELF. and at any COST to others.

so....he rebelled...JUST AS MOST HUMANS DO NOW.

how many of you, here, now, are angered by posts here that talk of 'God'??????

well? you know the anger of Lucifer because you follow him.

Now don't LoL me Lucifer :)

You say you was bread to be the next Lucifer.
Greetings to the great Family then :)

And have some fancy wings when time comes :P

I still love you !

Well, from reading Revelation 21, up to the end of Bible we get only a brief textual description of God's New Jerusalem.
It does sound too self centered, too symmetric, pompous and dry.

Just like our current courts of Law and when I get into those I feel really bad, just from being there and looking around. So the description the authors on the Bible gave might not be a good indication of it.

We dont know how is to live under God's New Jerusalem. One could assume the Father know what is best for us. And one could assume that we cant really properly evaluate it, because "our perceptions are incomplete, rigged so to speak".

One cannot say that we know how is to live under the Law, because it has always been corrupt, always hybrids, always tares. No particular time period of our history can provide a good example of what would be like under God's tutelage.

But on the other hand
Well, now we know how is to live under Lucifer's. Sorta.
So far, I dont like it. I feel like Lot in Babylon. People are so deceived (christian perspective) or disconnected/asleep (luciferian perspective) that doesnt feel right. The values of the human being are wrong, we have lost most standards. I dont feel like going around praying on the weak/dumb either. It feels like the design of human beings couldnt possibly match the design of Lucifer's. Neither what we have now could possibly be up to whatever standards he intended. For example, God gave us different and unique gifts, but gave us the same needs. It seems like a very complicated mechanism to breed conflict. How could Lucifer counter it? Doesnt feel like he ever cared about it, unless you think the Social Contract or the Declaration of Human Rights amount to anything. On the Bible, we have the doctrine designed to mitigate/balance "complete" free will and uniqueness/individuality under the Law of God.

The thing is, it seems like Lucifer barelly got started as well. It feels like he spent 10 thousand years just designing and implementing to get to this point. You see, his Golden Age didnt started yet.

No seriously, look up Hermes Trismegistus. He wrote books older than ones written by Moses (aka the Torah, the Old Testament...4500BC when Hermes works is 9000 BCE)

And in his writing he called this dude "God," which is true because he did create the world, but he's not the True God. This dude is light and dark, like duality God.

If I were Hermes I'd believe the same thing he did because this God really made some awesome revelations.

But, thank Yeshua, the one who died on the cross almost 2000 years ago. He comes from Father and only He is the way to the Father. By hearing of His Gospel, by the Holy Ghost the truth is revealed.

A lot of people believe in the same God as Hermes did, the Jews, Catholics, etc. Some even say he is even Jesus Christ, which may be true. Thats why I call Him Yeshua, because Yeshua is not this God who forms the light and creates darkness (Isaiah 45:7).

That is Yaldaboath, that is who many many people worship, thinking he is the true God, because he DOES deceives the WHOLE world (Revelations 12:9)

Gods have agendas
Deceiving is merely a game.

The Creator (or Source) is the only so called G0D i can aknowledge.

Hermes was just a "priest" preaching.
Is people's problem if they bow to everyone that can play with their minds.

Lucifer is just a concept.
In fact, the name is describing a planet in the sky.
You all assume that Lucifer is a he when in fact can be a she too.
Being a concept, its personalisation can be done in many ways.

Rebellion can describe a certain type of energy flowing too

And so on, and so on...

But who am i to speak in front of people who read books full with dead written words ?
Nobody...

So keep Bee-Lie-ving... or keep Bee-Living.
Is your choice :-D

Lucifer is not the devil ffs. He is the human torch lighting our path. Creating what we call life. Matrix. So we can have choice to be, using the rule of creation and destruction. We are stuck here temporarily. Like a 'creator's boot-camp' per say. Soon the milky way will be our play-ground. Then the universe, then beyond. Why do we have to label everything? Everything is. White hats need black hats because they love to protect. Black hats need white hats because they love to infiltrate. Learning, Creation, destruction. like playing with lego's. Everyone has a place.

Don't tempt me Lucifer :-D



Just Rise and Shine :)

He rebelled because God needed him to do it. Just like Jesus needed Judas to do what he did. Its all part of the plan.

Simple question. Simple answer. He rebelled cause God ordered the angels to bow to adam who was made of clay. Lucifer is an angel of fire and thought he was better than adam. It was the first instance of pride, one the the 7 deadly sins.

who are you talking about?

Judas was framed

He was told to, not framed.

Lucifer stepped outside of God's law. The Law, or commandments are the perfect law of liberty.
He wanted to challenge that law,rebelled, and drew a 1/3 of the angels with him. They were cast out.

Don't you get it, to have a perfect society, you have to have law as a guideline to have harmony within the society.

Take the french revolution, and what happened then.

The 10 commandments are guidelines. If we all kept them, our world wouldn't be in the situation it's in.

OYE then you are Christ Michael son right?
and Esu is your brother the good brother correct?

Why would you want to compete with your Father/God.

1)The laws can be bent but not never broken
2)Lucifer and 1/3(trinity) volunteered
3)Perfection does not exist entirely, only from a closed point of view.