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Hypothetical question to those with "Faith"

 
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Hypothetical question to those with "Faith"
If you can genuinely bring yourself to imagine a scenario where your religious belief were reviled to be totally incorrect, how would you feel about how to have conducted yourself up until this point?

Do you think you would feel embarrassed for having such strong convictions for something that was false. Would you maybe feel regret for trying to pass them false beliefs onto others. Or would you feel non of those, feeling that you have only acted with the best intentions?
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I guess no one with faith would like to go anywhere near this question. I wonder why?
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Re: Hypothetical question to those with "Faith"
Seeming as no one with "Faith" seems to want to answer the question, maybe people without religious convictions might like to role play as someone of "Faith" to try and answer the question.

This could be entertaining popcorn
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They won't be able to quote a bible verse to answer this one, the sheep can't actually think on their own, you won't get an answer, at least not an intelligent one.
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I wonder why?
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Your spelling is atrocious!
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Re: Hypothetical question to those with "Faith"
If you can genuinely bring yourself to imagine a scenario where your religious belief were reviled to be totally incorrect, how would you feel about how to have conducted yourself up until this point?

Do you think you would feel embarrassed for having such strong convictions for something that was false. Would you maybe feel regret for trying to pass them false beliefs onto others. Or would you feel non of those, feeling that you have only acted with the best intentions?
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"where your religious belief......."



You have a system of beliefs as well OP......although you might not call them "religious" beliefs.


You were not raised out in the forest by animals......but had information and beliefs fed to you since the day that you were born.......by parents, friends, teachers, society, writers, philosophers, etc., etc., etc.


You have incorporated various thoughts, viewpoints, etc of other human beings into your current belief system.


It might not be called Christianity......or have a formal name. There are 1000's of belief systems available out there.


We will label yours as: # 597.


Before I met Christ......my formal belief system was: # 314.


He came to me.....and corrected me......so I gave up # 314......and now follow Him.


"The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we our children of God."
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They won't be able to quote a bible verse to answer this one, the sheep can't actually think on their own, you won't get an answer, at least not an intelligent one.
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1rof1 Indeed.

However, I can't say that I haven't been there before. The sheep are just as important as we are.

Conquering the fear of hell isn't for the faint of heart.

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/04/2012 08:57 PM
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I can ask you the very same question. What would you feel when you die and stand in front of the heavens gates?

I'm a man of faith, if, for some reason, my faith is proven to be wrong, I will feel upset, yes. But I will also feel glad as I lived my life being the best human being as I could.

So, if I'm wrong, I would have wasted some time worshiping a God that supposedly should exist, but nothing beyond that. But if you are wrong, then you have lost your soul. Who's got more to lose here?
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HE lives, HE lives, HE lives within my heart. HE is my faith and I know HE lives.
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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But I will also feel glad as I lived my life being the best human being as I could.
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You don't need faith for that.

Are you starting to see the bigger picture?

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/04/2012 09:30 PM
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Re: Hypothetical question to those with "Faith"
If you can genuinely bring yourself to imagine a scenario where your religious belief were reviled to be totally incorrect, how would you feel about how to have conducted yourself up until this point?

Do you think you would feel embarrassed for having such strong convictions for something that was false. Would you maybe feel regret for trying to pass them false beliefs onto others. Or would you feel non of those, feeling that you have only acted with the best intentions?
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We don't know for sure how they will react when the truth is given. Some will be sickened unto death of body though. Others will totally NOT face it and remain as they are to the end.

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 11/04/2012 09:34 PM
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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If you can genuinely bring yourself to imagine a scenario where your religious belief were reviled to be totally incorrect, how would you feel about how to have conducted yourself up until this point?

Do you think you would feel embarrassed for having such strong convictions for something that was false. Would you maybe feel regret for trying to pass them false beliefs onto others. Or would you feel non of those, feeling that you have only acted with the best intentions?
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We don't know for sure how they will react when the truth is given. Some will be sickened unto death of body though.
 Quoting: God Loves ALL


I consider consumerism a sort of "faith" in and of itself. Your reply made me think of that.
~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few.

~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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this doesn't make any sense. Jesus Christ is the Lord God an you will never be able to prove He isn't because He is... so that would never happen. Dumb question Op, its called an education, get one.
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this doesn't make any sense. Jesus Christ is the Lord God an you will never be able to prove He isn't because He is... so that would never happen. Dumb question Op, its called an education, get one.
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And here's the pot calling the kettle black. Prove that he is, rather than regurgitating some writings from a book. Prove it.

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/04/2012 09:41 PM
~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few.

~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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Re: Hypothetical question to those with "Faith"
one should never be ashamed to share with others love, peace, hope and joy.....

these are all good things to pass on.



helping the poor, the helpless, the less fortunate.....

these are all good things as well.

I will never be ashamed to pass on the attributes of faith in GOD.
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one should never be ashamed to share with others love, peace, hope and joy.....

these are all good things to pass on.



helping the poor, the helpless, the less fortunate.....

these are all good things as well.

I will never be ashamed to pass on the attributes of faith in GOD.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


Why do you need faith in God to help the poor, helpless and less fortunate?

Love, peace, hope and joy are because of faith in God? Interesting.

It's sad that you people are mind controlled to think you need faith in God to manifest these attributes.

The entire concept of "God" that most of you think of was cunningly crafted by your controllers. Watch THX 1138.

I'm sure the coffers of the churches of your different faiths' are eternally happy. If you don't contribute, you'll go to hell!

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/04/2012 09:58 PM
~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few.

~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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this doesn't make any sense. Jesus Christ is the Lord God an you will never be able to prove He isn't because He is... so that would never happen. Dumb question Op, its called an education, get one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26863283


And here's the pot calling the kettle black. Prove that he is, rather than regurgitating some writings from a book. Prove it.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


It is not a science class.


God's mechanism for salvation is by faith......believing without seeing.


The Jews many times saw the miracles of God firsthand......but were soonafter in rebellion against Him.
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this doesn't make any sense. Jesus Christ is the Lord God an you will never be able to prove He isn't because He is... so that would never happen. Dumb question Op, its called an education, get one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26863283


And here's the pot calling the kettle black. Prove that he is, rather than regurgitating some writings from a book. Prove it.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


It is not a science class.


God's mechanism for salvation is by faith......believing without seeing.


The Jews many times saw the miracles of God firsthand......but were soonafter in rebellion against Him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25839887


This entire reply made no sense. Can you elaborate?

Believing without seeing. I think your notion of "seeing" and mine are two different things.

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/04/2012 10:01 PM
~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few.

~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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this doesn't make any sense. Jesus Christ is the Lord God an you will never be able to prove He isn't because He is... so that would never happen. Dumb question Op, its called an education, get one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26863283


And here's the pot calling the kettle black. Prove that he is, rather than regurgitating some writings from a book. Prove it.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


It is not a science class.


God's mechanism for salvation is by faith......believing without seeing.


The Jews many times saw the miracles of God firsthand......but were soonafter in rebellion against Him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25839887


No its not. Its from the determined will to understake eternal life. One always has it anyway unless rejected. It is an individual decision.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread
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I can ask you the very same question. What would you feel when you die and stand in front of the heavens gates?

I'm a man of faith, if, for some reason, my faith is proven to be wrong, I will feel upset, yes. But I will also feel glad as I lived my life being the best human being as I could.

So, if I'm wrong, I would have wasted some time worshiping a God that supposedly should exist, but nothing beyond that. But if you are wrong, then you have lost your soul. Who's got more to lose here?
 Quoting: CripplingLies


Well said, and I agree. People without faith find it comforting to mock those different than they are, yet they expect those they are mocking to respond with love. I would agree that there are those who talk the talk, but do not walk the walk so to speak.

The bottom line is this: people of faith should demonstrate their faith with their example, and let their deeds speak for them. If they do not, then it becomes clear that they do not believe what they are saying, and they are more conflicted than those they have decided to judge.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

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The bottom line is this: people of faith should demonstrate their faith with their example, and let their deeds speak for them. If they do not, then it becomes clear that they do not believe what they are saying, and they are more conflicted than those they have decided to judge.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well said :)
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~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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The bottom line is this: people of faith should demonstrate their faith with their example, and let their deeds speak for them. If they do not, then it becomes clear that they do not believe what they are saying, and they are more conflicted than those they have decided to judge.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well said :)
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Nice to see you again :-)

hf
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Disclaimer: You get what you give. If you give me nothing of substance, I will most likely return the favor. If you don't like the message, ask yourself why - don't just kill the messenger.

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I would just isolate myself and regroup my thoughts.

shit happens.
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The bottom line is this: people of faith should demonstrate their faith with their example, and let their deeds speak for them. If they do not, then it becomes clear that they do not believe what they are saying, and they are more conflicted than those they have decided to judge.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well said :)
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Nice to see you again :-)

hf
 Quoting: Rising Son


You too sir. For the record, I was not mocking anyone :) I was just using a little logic, that's all :) I'm also a theist...but not in the sense that most theists are. (hard to explain).

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/04/2012 10:20 PM
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~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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It's always better to find out you may be in error, than to live your life in error and never finding out the truth.
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The bottom line is this: people of faith should demonstrate their faith with their example, and let their deeds speak for them. If they do not, then it becomes clear that they do not believe what they are saying, and they are more conflicted than those they have decided to judge.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well said :)
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Nice to see you again :-)

hf
 Quoting: Rising Son


You too sir. For the record, I was not mocking anyone :) I was just using a little logic, that's all :)
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


I understand - what frustrates you about religious people frustrates me just the same. Anyone who lives their life in contradiction is difficult to relate to, much less understand.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Disclaimer: You get what you give. If you give me nothing of substance, I will most likely return the favor. If you don't like the message, ask yourself why - don't just kill the messenger.

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Re: Hypothetical question to those with "Faith"
If you can genuinely bring yourself to imagine a scenario where your religious belief were reviled to be totally incorrect, how would you feel about how to have conducted yourself up until this point?

Do you think you would feel embarrassed for having such strong convictions for something that was false. Would you maybe feel regret for trying to pass them false beliefs onto others. Or would you feel non of those, feeling that you have only acted with the best intentions?
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What is your answer?
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I understand - what frustrates you about religious people frustrates me just the same. Anyone who lives their life in contradiction is difficult to relate to, much less understand.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Indeed. You are wise :)
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Re: Hypothetical question to those with "Faith"
But I will also feel glad as I lived my life being the best human being as I could.
 Quoting: CripplingLies


You don't need faith for that.

Are you starting to see the bigger picture?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Yes, this is known as good values. Depends on how one is brought up.
Ever hear: do unto others as you wish them to do unto you?
I am old enough to have lived in the times kids were brought up properly.
The newer generations have a lot to learn or we are all in a pickle.
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