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When the sea begins to churn and the hurricanes come, remember where your Anchor is, and who is the Captain of the ship.

The Christian faith is based upon a fact of history: Jesus rose from the dead.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



actually that particular metaphor based belief system is "fact" because it is based upon the winter solstice (christ death, dec) and the spring equinox (christ rise, spring)

its why we celebrate easter (christ arise from dead; christ = sun) in the spring

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Give the Quran a chance and see if you can find your answer
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F****k U

F*****k ur Koran

& F*****k mohammad the pedophile in the ass til it bleeds


mrmoses
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yes you can proceed with your bible quotes now.
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Seek...... and you shall find...




Ask and it shall be given to you




There is no way to the Father but through Christ Jesus.




PERIOD!




Try it.




Your eternal life depends on it.




mrmoses
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thanks for your concern for my eternal life.....

you can keep your twisted beliefs for yourself
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bump




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Guess I need to bump this...........




This is what its all about after all.




There is no other name under heaven by which we might be saved.




You either have ears to hear or you don't.... it is not for everyone afterall.




mrmoses
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dude.... are you like.... kidding?
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When the sea begins to churn and the hurricanes come, remember where your Anchor is, and who is the Captain of the ship.

The Christian faith is based upon a fact of history: Jesus rose from the dead.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



actually that particular metaphor based belief system is "fact" because it is based upon the winter solstice (christ death, dec) and the spring equinox (christ rise, spring)

its why we celebrate easter (christ arise from dead; christ = sun) in the spring
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


No. Not at all. It is not a "metaphor based belief system". It is a fact-based testimony from eyewitnesses who faithfully recorded what they saw and heard and touched. It is the method used in any court of law to determine the veracity of a past event by a reasonable degree of probability.

People are entitled to how ever many interpretations of it they want, but they're not entitled to change what actually happened in history.

As I would hope you know, Jesus was likely born in the fall. The Israelites had been given two primary sets of festivals, one set in the spring and the other in fall. Passover, for example, was to commemorate the freeing of Israel from Egypt; this too is a fact of history. Yet it also did look forward to its ultimate fulfillment in the self-sacrifice of Christ, the Firstborn who was to die to save the rest. Everything had a purpose, and none of them were merely on the level of pagan/heathen solstice and equinox celebrations.

We celebrate the resurrection of Christ in the spring because that's when it happened. While his death was a direct fulfillment of the Passover, his resurrection was a direct fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits-- a fitting festival for springtime, but not to celebrate springtime. In other words, you have it backwards: we don't celebrate Jesus' resurrection because it's springtime, we celebrate in the spring because it's when Jesus arose.
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When the sea begins to churn and the hurricanes come, remember where your Anchor is, and who is the Captain of the ship.

The Christian faith is based upon a fact of history: Jesus rose from the dead.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



actually that particular metaphor based belief system is "fact" because it is based upon the winter solstice (christ death, dec) and the spring equinox (christ rise, spring)

its why we celebrate easter (christ arise from dead; christ = sun) in the spring
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


No. Not at all. It is not a "metaphor based belief system". It is a fact-based testimony from eyewitnesses who faithfully recorded what they saw and heard and touched. It is the method used in any court of law to determine the veracity of a past event by a reasonable degree of probability.

People are entitled to how ever many interpretations of it they want, but they're not entitled to change what actually happened in history.

As I would hope you know, Jesus was likely born in the fall. The Israelites had been given two primary sets of festivals, one set in the spring and the other in fall. Passover, for example, was to commemorate the freeing of Israel from Egypt; this too is a fact of history. Yet it also did look forward to its ultimate fulfillment in the self-sacrifice of Christ, the Firstborn who was to die to save the rest. Everything had a purpose, and none of them were merely on the level of pagan/heathen solstice and equinox celebrations.

We celebrate the resurrection of Christ in the spring because that's when it happened. While his death was a direct fulfillment of the Passover, his resurrection was a direct fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits-- a fitting festival for springtime, but not to celebrate springtime. In other words, you have it backwards: we don't celebrate Jesus' resurrection because it's springtime, we celebrate in the spring because it's when Jesus arose.
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Well said - I always enjoy your words :-)

hf
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Ok I am at the fork in the road. Seriously. In my confusion I feel like giving up. I don't know what is going on. I believe I sought out God I believe Jesus spoke to me telling me to have Faith....3 times...have faith... It's a long story but He revealed Himself to me.. so with that I was told things to come and was told Jesus' words which I read in the bible after the fact... And no I was not reading the bible before...ever! There was a lot of symbolism... Ok well this was 6 years ago .. some things have come to pass but not the main thing. Now I just don't know why this has all happened Plus I have had several dreams the. Past year and a half ...and I don't know what is going on. I don't know what happened or why or why things continue to happen . I feel like forgetting this whole thing its too much I want answers I want to know the truth and if I roll with this I know its a dangerous road ... I am at the fork.. I don't know what to do because I don't have all the answers ...what if He didn't really reveal Himself you know I don't even know what happened anymore so ill be walking by some sort of lie.. yet what if He did and He did speak all these things and I let the whole thing go... I can't be half way with it I'm either in or out....I am not a church going liar who thinks there is no road to actually walk.. so I am at the fork in the road ...knowing the risks on each road. I am either about to let the whole God experience go and forget it because its been in my head for six years or roll with it ... Did anyone have an experience of God where He told you something to come and you had to wait?? and it either happened or didn'?? And how did this affect your faith?
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It's real, and you should persevere......I had a extremely bizarre, unorthodox spiritual experience, that never provided answers, but as others have said, stick to His Word, and persever. It's how i have traveled my path and led me to where I am today.
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Well said - I always enjoy your words :-)

hf
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Thanks! And I always am blessed by your encouragement. cool2
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Give the Quran a chance and see if you can find your answer
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F****k U





F*****k ur Koran




& F*****k mohammad the pedophile in the ass til it bleeds




mrmoses
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Just don't be this guy. Love is the most important thing regardless of race, religion, past, or sexual preference.
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Seeking spiritual advice on GLP is NEVER a good idea. I'm praying for you.
free your inner baboon.
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Op Jesus speaks to us all in his own way.
Make sure you are not playing into the devils hands by observing the ideas you hold and try to discern if they are leading you to judge. Only God can judge and if your faith is telling you, you can judge or you have the truth about good and evil it is a lie.
The first and greatest deception by Satan is to get humanity caught in the trap of good and evil. Only God knows the truth about good and evil and these ideas lead to judgements.
God does not want us to judge.
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When the sea begins to churn and the hurricanes come, remember where your Anchor is, and who is the Captain of the ship.

The Christian faith is based upon a fact of history: Jesus rose from the dead.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



actually that particular metaphor based belief system is "fact" because it is based upon the winter solstice (christ death, dec) and the spring equinox (christ rise, spring)

its why we celebrate easter (christ arise from dead; christ = sun) in the spring
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


No. Not at all. It is not a "metaphor based belief system". It is a fact-based testimony from eyewitnesses who faithfully recorded what they saw and heard and touched. It is the method used in any court of law to determine the veracity of a past event by a reasonable degree of probability.

People are entitled to how ever many interpretations of it they want, but they're not entitled to change what actually happened in history.

As I would hope you know, Jesus was likely born in the fall. The Israelites had been given two primary sets of festivals, one set in the spring and the other in fall. Passover, for example, was to commemorate the freeing of Israel from Egypt; this too is a fact of history. Yet it also did look forward to its ultimate fulfillment in the self-sacrifice of Christ, the Firstborn who was to die to save the rest. Everything had a purpose, and none of them were merely on the level of pagan/heathen solstice and equinox celebrations.

We celebrate the resurrection of Christ in the spring because that's when it happened. While his death was a direct fulfillment of the Passover, his resurrection was a direct fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits-- a fitting festival for springtime, but not to celebrate springtime. In other words, you have it backwards: we don't celebrate Jesus' resurrection because it's springtime, we celebrate in the spring because it's when Jesus arose.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


History is an abstraction; and it is dilluted by elitist self interest, indoctrination, the need for legitimacy of empire, and of course...religious bias.

So given that neither of us would be justified in citing "history" as it is written; unless of course... there are multiple versions of said history, from multiple interests i.e. not just christian, muslim, or jewish...

you would bias history to your beliefs, as would I. And I assume you are using the single source: The Bible as a historical account?

History affirms through multiple sources, that the truth can be found in the ongoing battle between the people and the moneychangers seeking to enslave them. Its present TODAY; and it is present in the NT; Mat 21:12.

We see it with Ceasar, Lincoln, JFK, Andrew Jackson.... the old war. The Vatican, the Templars. This is where we need to look; not sensationalistic beliefs that abstract and dllute the truth.

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GOD reveals himself through the scriptures NOT through dreams and visions.. dont be decieved .
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First of all, always test the spirits first. Ask them, in Jesus name, in whose name do you come. If the answer is in Jesus Christ, Son of God, Redeemer of the World, you will know that this is from God and not spirits pretending to be God, to confuse you.

Second of all, God's time is not our time. A thousand days are as one day and one day is as a thousand. There is no time in heaven. We may think that an event is not happening fast enough but it is in God's time.


Third of all, if it truly is God, He is waiting to see if you will be patient and if you truly want to follow
Him. He loves you and will never lie to you. The evil one will, and he will try to confuse you to make you give up.

We are close to the end of the battle and the devil is truly going about like a roaring lion to devour souls.

If you really want to know what is going on, go to the website thewarningsecondcoming.com

God Bless You

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Christ knocks on the door of people's hearts. But He will not force His way in. The person must open the door.


Christ is the Seeker.


He is alive.


Turn over your life completely to Him. Give yourself to Him.



He knows the thoughts of people.....and what is in their hearts.


Fancy words or actions are not required.....just you.


Cry out to Him.
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Keep your focus on your relationship with Christ alone and immerse yourself in His Word. Ask the Father to reveal Truth by revelation of the Holy Spirit through His Word. Your answer will come by faith and the peace of Christ will confirm.

I will agree in prayer for you, friendhf
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+1, and OP, please don't think that every church member is bad. There are good and bad Churches, just like there is good and bad people. There is strength in numbers and often a Church family is where you will find answers from other people who have already gone through what you are going through.
Find a good bible believing church where you feel welcome and learn how to deal with the few who want to cause trouble.
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And were you ever at the fork in the road?
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How long to wait?

Well, Noah was told what was coming... he worked on his boat for like 100 or more years before the Flood. Are you any different than Noah?

Mary and Joseph knew Who their Son was. They waited 33 years before the Resurrection. Are you any different than Mary and Joseph?

How many of the disciples were killed because of their belief in Christ? What manner of steadfast commitment is that? Are you any less patient?

The Bible is full of incidents like this. How long did Abraham wait for a son? How long did the Hebrews wander in the desert?

You said, "if I roll with this I know its a dangerous road ... I am at the fork" -- dangerous how? Like being fired? Like being killed? Like what kind of dangerous?

God will not have you do evil. If it is evil you are being directed to do, it is not of God.

Read the Word. God is consistent, logical, and True. As Jesus said, "Henceforth, I call you my friends."
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Definition: Faith is belief with strong conviction; firm belief in something for which there may be no tangible proof; complete trust in or devotion to. Faith is the opposite of doubt.
Faith is possibly the single-most important element of the Christian life. Hebrews 11:6 states, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." (NIV)

The Bible gives this description of faith in Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." (NIV)

Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
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OP, the first thing I want you to know is that you are not alone. The fact that you reached out like you did suggests that you already know this to be true. Just know that you are among friends here, those who will not judge you and care about you without ever having met you. It is a very comforting feeling, I assure you :-)

I, and I know quite a few others here have been where you are now. What I think you are struggling with is giving up control. The hardest thing to do in strengthening your faith is having enough trust in God to let Him take over for you. Your fear of not having control over your life is what is most frustrating to you - at least that's how it was for me. Willingly submit yourself to the will of God, and allow Him to show you the path He has set for you.

You also must come to terms with the fact that you will never figure everything out, and that's okay. Our entire life is a classroom, and the lessons we don't learn the first time will be taught again. Just be sure you are willing to learn when they come your way. Slow down, and let each lesson sink in. You are trying to figure out a short cut, and life does not work that way. If you do not build a good foundation with easier lessons, you will struggle with the trials you must face.

I hope I have been of some help to you. Above all else, put your trust in God :-)
 Quoting: Rising Son


I was going to say something along the lines of this. You have to have faith in the Father. Try to align your will with the Lord's. Just keep praying and offer yourself to do His will through you... That's all you can do, God bless.
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History is an abstraction; and it is dilluted by elitist self interest, indoctrination, the need for legitimacy of empire, and of course...religious bias.

So given that neither of us would be justified in citing "history" as it is written; unless of course... there are multiple versions of said history, from multiple interests i.e. not just christian, muslim, or jewish...

you would bias history to your beliefs, as would I. And I assume you are using the single source: The Bible as a historical account?

History affirms through multiple sources, that the truth can be found in the ongoing battle between the people and the moneychangers seeking to enslave them. Its present TODAY; and it is present in the NT; Mat 21:12.

We see it with Ceasar, Lincoln, JFK, Andrew Jackson.... the old war. The Vatican, the Templars. This is where we need to look; not sensationalistic beliefs that abstract and dllute the truth.
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Granted that "history is written by the victors" for the most part, but I wouldn't call it an abstraction. I agree that by cross-examining various accounts (which is the purpose and value of four Gospels) we can get a reasonably accurate picture, especially given the sheer volume of manuscripts and quotations of the New Testament. And bias is hardly the exclusive domain of religion; those who immediately dismiss any historical account because it's religious are showing not only bias but a double standard.

The Bible is a viable and accurate historical account, as much as any other, and no more biased than the various king-commissioned or benefactor-ordered histories. People didn't write histories for free, and the materials were not cheap. So pick your bias, but don't expect to find one without it. And it is wise to consider various historical traditions, as I have indeed done.

So let me assure you that I have dared to put the Bible under a microscope, a practice that has been repeated by an incredible number of people over the centuries, and curiously not done to other religious writings to anywhere near the same extent. As someone said, "The Bible is an anvil that has worn out many hammers".

And since I have concluded that the Bible, and thus the Gospels, present an accurate account of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, I have a deep personal conviction that this is historical fact. This is my anchor, my measuring rod, my taproot.
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Ok I am at the fork in the road. Seriously. In my confusion I feel like giving up. I don't know what is going on. I believe I sought out God I believe Jesus spoke to me telling me to have Faith....3 times...have faith... It's a long story but He revealed Himself to me.. so with that I was told things to come and was told Jesus' words which I read in the bible after the fact... And no I was not reading the bible before...ever! There was a lot of symbolism... Ok well this was 6 years ago .. some things have come to pass but not the main thing. Now I just don't know why this has all happened Plus I have had several dreams the. Past year and a half ...and I don't know what is going on. I don't know what happened or why or why things continue to happen . I feel like forgetting this whole thing its too much I want answers I want to know the truth and if I roll with this I know its a dangerous road ... I am at the fork.. I don't know what to do because I don't have all the answers ...what if He didn't really reveal Himself you know I don't even know what happened anymore so ill be walking by some sort of lie.. yet what if He did and He did speak all these things and I let the whole thing go... I can't be half way with it I'm either in or out....I am not a church going liar who thinks there is no road to actually walk.. so I am at the fork in the road ...knowing the risks on each road. I am either about to let the whole God experience go and forget it because its been in my head for six years or roll with it ... Did anyone have an experience of God where He told you something to come and you had to wait?? and it either happened or didn'?? And how did this affect your faith?
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you said in your post that you didn't know what to do because You didn't have all the answers.... The truth is .....is that you will never have all the answers.... That's what walking by faith is all about.....

When the whole world is crumbling around a Christian and someone asks him.... How's it going.....a Christian will reply..... all is well , Because as Christians we walk by faith not by sight

Just focus on reading your Bible because this is how we feed the spiritual man

When you start to get negative thoughts again just realize that this is the way that Satan tries to defeat your faith.... Just resist him with the scriptures And if He comes back resist them again.... And if he comes back resist him again.... And he shall flee
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Dear Op,
First of all, DONT GIVE UP.

You are NOT crazy.
I have had many dreams come true too and revelations that God was speaking. And, it was not craziness because every dream, every vision was steeped in TRUTH.

My answer to you during this time is very simple.
'You shall know a tree by it's FRUIT.'

When God is speaking/spoke to you, it always produces a result(fruit) that you can see or experience. You cant 'let God go', because He has not let you go. He chose you. Not the other way around.

I want you to ask God to help you to understand what your purpose is at this time. Do it as an act of faith. Not as an act of desperation. God loves you greatly. Take a break from this forum. And, increase your communication with HIM.

When I am hearing from God, I make it a point to diminish the 'noise' that comes from other people.

Remember, you shall know the tree by it's fruits.

Your brother in Christ
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Grow some balls and see the truth - and it shall set you free!
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Yes many times, 1st in Act 2:17 he tells us
'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

We are in the last days.

I will give you my latest big one, I moved from Montana to Texas and in a place where the lake was drying up and just hot and dry, well I know that God is in charge of all weather and uses it to send messages, so we do not know where to move at in Texas , right now at my moms. He sent me many dreams of always the same thing , many roads to take and I was going on wrong ones , so I finally just ask him God if you want me to stay right where I am at, fill this Lake 5 feet within a month. He did, You have to ask God who is speaking to you to reveal what he wants, as man can lead you on the wrong path, but be very specific, and say I need to bind anything of satan. Private email me.hf
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OP, the first thing I want you to know is that you are not alone. The fact that you reached out like you did suggests that you already know this to be true. Just know that you are among friends here, those who will not judge you and care about you without ever having met you. It is a very comforting feeling, I assure you :-)

I, and I know quite a few others here have been where you are now. What I think you are struggling with is giving up control. The hardest thing to do in strengthening your faith is having enough trust in God to let Him take over for you. Your fear of not having control over your life is what is most frustrating to you - at least that's how it was for me. Willingly submit yourself to the will of God, and allow Him to show you the path He has set for you.

You also must come to terms with the fact that you will never figure everything out, and that's okay. Our entire life is a classroom, and the lessons we don't learn the first time will be taught again. Just be sure you are willing to learn when they come your way. Slow down, and let each lesson sink in. You are trying to figure out a short cut, and life does not work that way. If you do not build a good foundation with easier lessons, you will struggle with the trials you must face.

I hope I have been of some help to you. Above all else, put your trust in God :-)
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we can help and pray with youhf
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Ok I am at the fork in the road. Seriously. In my confusion I feel like giving up. I don't know what is going on. I believe I sought out God I believe Jesus spoke to me telling me to have Faith....3 times...have faith... It's a long story but He revealed Himself to me.. so with that I was told things to come and was told Jesus' words which I read in the bible after the fact... And no I was not reading the bible before...ever! There was a lot of symbolism... Ok well this was 6 years ago .. some things have come to pass but not the main thing. Now I just don't know why this has all happened Plus I have had several dreams the. Past year and a half ...and I don't know what is going on. I don't know what happened or why or why things continue to happen . I feel like forgetting this whole thing its too much I want answers I want to know the truth and if I roll with this I know its a dangerous road ... I am at the fork.. I don't know what to do because I don't have all the answers ...what if He didn't really reveal Himself you know I don't even know what happened anymore so ill be walking by some sort of lie.. yet what if He did and He did speak all these things and I let the whole thing go... I can't be half way with it I'm either in or out....I am not a church going liar who thinks there is no road to actually walk.. so I am at the fork in the road ...knowing the risks on each road. I am either about to let the whole God experience go and forget it because its been in my head for six years or roll with it ... Did anyone have an experience of God where He told you something to come and you had to wait?? and it either happened or didn'?? And how did this affect your faith?
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Go with the flow hf
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

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Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


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Re: serious christians not church people i need advice
This is for you , wow it is this weeks wisdomhf

Furthermore, if God instructs you to do something, be assured that His plan is better than any other plan you could have.

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Proverbs 15:1
A soft answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Re: serious christians not church people i need advice
To go with the flow op..you have got to get in the stream..
You cant flow if you sit on the river bank consumed with doubts and fears..and what ifs..the flow will take you..
and will give you signs
hf
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Re: serious christians not church people i need advice
History is an abstraction; and it is dilluted by elitist self interest, indoctrination, the need for legitimacy of empire, and of course...religious bias.

So given that neither of us would be justified in citing "history" as it is written; unless of course... there are multiple versions of said history, from multiple interests i.e. not just christian, muslim, or jewish...

you would bias history to your beliefs, as would I. And I assume you are using the single source: The Bible as a historical account?

History affirms through multiple sources, that the truth can be found in the ongoing battle between the people and the moneychangers seeking to enslave them. Its present TODAY; and it is present in the NT; Mat 21:12.

We see it with Ceasar, Lincoln, JFK, Andrew Jackson.... the old war. The Vatican, the Templars. This is where we need to look; not sensationalistic beliefs that abstract and dllute the truth.
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Granted that "history is written by the victors" for the most part, but I wouldn't call it an abstraction. I agree that by cross-examining various accounts (which is the purpose and value of four Gospels) we can get a reasonably accurate picture, especially given the sheer volume of manuscripts and quotations of the New Testament. And bias is hardly the exclusive domain of religion; those who immediately dismiss any historical account because it's religious are showing not only bias but a double standard.

The Bible is a viable and accurate historical account, as much as any other, and no more biased than the various king-commissioned or benefactor-ordered histories. People didn't write histories for free, and the materials were not cheap. So pick your bias, but don't expect to find one without it. And it is wise to consider various historical traditions, as I have indeed done.

So let me assure you that I have dared to put the Bible under a microscope, a practice that has been repeated by an incredible number of people over the centuries, and curiously not done to other religious writings to anywhere near the same extent. As someone said, "The Bible is an anvil that has worn out many hammers".

And since I have concluded that the Bible, and thus the Gospels, present an accurate account of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, I have a deep personal conviction that this is historical fact. This is my anchor, my measuring rod, my taproot.
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you raise some good points; may discernment prevail.
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Re: serious christians not church people i need advice
History is an abstraction; and it is dilluted by elitist self interest, indoctrination, the need for legitimacy of empire, and of course...religious bias.

So given that neither of us would be justified in citing "history" as it is written; unless of course... there are multiple versions of said history, from multiple interests i.e. not just christian, muslim, or jewish...

you would bias history to your beliefs, as would I. And I assume you are using the single source: The Bible as a historical account?

History affirms through multiple sources, that the truth can be found in the ongoing battle between the people and the moneychangers seeking to enslave them. Its present TODAY; and it is present in the NT; Mat 21:12.

We see it with Ceasar, Lincoln, JFK, Andrew Jackson.... the old war. The Vatican, the Templars. This is where we need to look; not sensationalistic beliefs that abstract and dllute the truth.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


Granted that "history is written by the victors" for the most part, but I wouldn't call it an abstraction. I agree that by cross-examining various accounts (which is the purpose and value of four Gospels) we can get a reasonably accurate picture, especially given the sheer volume of manuscripts and quotations of the New Testament. And bias is hardly the exclusive domain of religion; those who immediately dismiss any historical account because it's religious are showing not only bias but a double standard.

The Bible is a viable and accurate historical account, as much as any other, and no more biased than the various king-commissioned or benefactor-ordered histories. People didn't write histories for free, and the materials were not cheap. So pick your bias, but don't expect to find one without it. And it is wise to consider various historical traditions, as I have indeed done.

So let me assure you that I have dared to put the Bible under a microscope, a practice that has been repeated by an incredible number of people over the centuries, and curiously not done to other religious writings to anywhere near the same extent. As someone said, "The Bible is an anvil that has worn out many hammers".

And since I have concluded that the Bible, and thus the Gospels, present an accurate account of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, I have a deep personal conviction that this is historical fact. This is my anchor, my measuring rod, my taproot.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


you raise some good points; may discernment prevail.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


hf
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)

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