Moontard here: THE friggin MOON is NOT RIGHT!

I see, thank you for that info.

it's 3:00 pm here, and i am not looking at it RIGHT now, but what you are describing is EXACTLY what i saw when i went out to get coffee w/ my girlfriend about.. an hour and a half, MAYBE 2 hours ago

How is this possible?

And that's how the Moon phases were --> [link to www.moonconnection.com] --> [link to static.ddmcdn.com]

Standing vertical with its shadow. Period.


However, there no reason to worry about. This for the good people.

Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 11/06/2012 05:34 PM

And yet AGAIN because you refuse to learn, those diagrams can not possbly show you field rotation because they don't know where you are or when you'll be looking at it.

And AGAIN because you refuse to learn, field rotation has been known about for centuries. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't exist. EVERYTHING in the sky undergoes the same apparent rotation EVERYTIME they are up. Just because you never noticed until 2007 doesn't mean it didn't happen before. Unless of course the ancient Egyptians and Shakespeare were lying and the old pictures posted in this thread are fakes and the textbooks that describe field rotation are wrong and old computer tracking telescopes are all wrong. No, since you never saw it before all those things are just part of some giant conspiracy right?

How do you actually function with such extreme paranoia?

Let's think for a second. IF the Moon is high in the sky then yes, the phase will be vertical. But what about when near the horizon, rising and/or setting? If vertical then, then the lit side that would be pointing to the Sun would point either North or South. Does that even seem the slightest bit right to you? Think of a waxing first quarter Moon, rising in the daytime about 6 hours after sunrise. IF the phase appeared vertical while rising then the lit part would be to the South, but the Sun would be to the West. The only way for the lit part to point to the sun would be for it to be on the top. Variation in the observer's location, the Sun's orbit and the Moon's orbit would affect the exact observed angle but it should never appear perfectly vertical unless perhaps you were exactly at the North pole but even then there should be a small angle. If you still think so it means you're either a troll or you have zero ability to spatially visualize anything.

Last Edited by LHP598 on 11/06/2012 06:40 PM

And yet AGAIN the Dumb Uneducated Cockily Moron will refuse that field rotation even exists.


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you put a lot of thought into that didn't you? I can tell. Don't stress yourself.

It's bed time, schoolboy.

Will take some more years until you may drive a Ducati M900.


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I will try to explain this.

How the moon looks is depending on a lot of factors:
1. Position of the observer, date and time
2. Field rotation
3. Orbital time of the Moon around Earth
4. Orbital eccentricity of the Moon
5. Inclination of the moons orbit
6. Orbital eccentricity of the Earth
7. Inclination of Erath axis
All this movement is quite complex and an observer on Earth will see the Moon in exact the same position only after 18.something years.
But the most significant and noticable change is the field rotation.

Let's take a Moon in it's 3rd quarter, a waning, halflit Moon.
It rises around midnight and sets around noon.

Let's now go to the equator around the time of the summer or winter solstice.
(Actually you have to be a little offside of the equator because of the inclined (tilted) moon orbit, but let us make it simple)

Go out at midnight and face east to see the Moon rise.
You will notice, that the terminator (the border between the lit and dark side) is horizontal - lit site down, dark side up.
(Most people who are the first time close to the equator are a little surprised to see it like this)
You watch it rising as Earth rotates around its axis - 1 o'clock, 2, 3 - you have to lean back as its going higher in the sky - still lit site down, dark side up.
4 o'clock, 5, 6 - it's now direct overhead, quite uncomfortable to watch, but still lit site down, dark side up.
7 o'clock, 8 - if you go on watching the Moon (now in the daylight) and don't care, you fall on your ass - but still lit site down, dark side up.
You can now make a headstand to keep on watching - but most probably you will turn to the west.
But what's that? Now the lit side is up and the dark side is down.
You turn back to the east and bow back and again lit site down, dark side up.

Facing east: lit site down, dark side up - facing west: lit side is up and dark side down.
Obviously it is not the Moon that turns around, it is you.


Now lets go back in time - to the rising Moon at midnight.
But now we move away from the equator to the north by let's say 25° (to the south in the southern hemispere).
When the moon rises you will notice, that the terminator is no more horizontal - it's tilted by the amount you went to the north (south).
When you follow the path of the Moon from low in the east, now high in the south (north) and low in the west, you turn around and earth rotates.
Apparently the moon rotates - at moon rise the terminator is tilted to the right (left), at its highest point it's vertical and when the Moon sets its tilted to the left (right).
But it is you and the Earth that turn around and rotate. It's the same phenomenon as it is at the equator.


Of course this is an ideal set of parameters - the terminator is not vertical most times of the year - because we didn't take into accont the above mentioned numbers 3 to 7.
But for the times around the solstices it's quite accurate.



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All I know is I took a picture of the moon on November 3rd at 10:40pm after work in the East. I went to bed about 12:00am. Time change happened at 2am on Sunday the 4rth of November. I took pictures of the sun when I woke up. I figured the moon should be long gone from my area by then. Wrong. The moon was in the sky in the West at 9:43am(10:43am really as with time change we gained an hour, right?). Please tell me why I could still see it even though it should be long gone by then. We rotate about a 24 hour period no matter what the world says our time is. So shouldn't the moon be halfway across the world at that time...or at the very least so low buildings would obscure it? It was pretty visible. Just saying is all. I know the OP was concerned about the way the moon was darkening but since this thread is about the moon I figured someone would see my question and answer it if they could. anybody have something similar happen this week? Should I be seeing the moon still around after 12 hours?

nevermind Kissplash.
You´re the one, who is being kind.
I feel sorry for some people who are answering in the way, they answer you. They don´t know what they´re doing to themselves and others. Sadly those kind of people come into threads and poisoning the whole atmosphere until no one has the desire to even write anything about it anymore. But that´s on purpose. Best way is to just ignore people with such an energy and stay away, they will learn it the hard way and by this I mean the very hard way..

be well

Due to its inclined orbit the Moon can be up for more or less than 12 hours depending on the phase and time of year. Very similar to the way we have longer days in the summer because the Sun is up longer with the tilt of the Earth.

oh! haven't read the thread yet but just last night had this same convo with my daughter! while driving home we both noticed that the moon looked sideways but instead of left or right side, it was a bottom half? wtf is that about?!

I posted the answer to your question 6 posts above:
Thread: Moontard here: THE friggin MOON is NOT RIGHT! (Page 8)


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This is not winter, it's fucking fall.. I mean seriously?

lets make a new book about that!

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Thank you for your kind words! They made me feel a whole lot better! I'm just trying to make sense of this world the same as anyone else on here. When I see things that don't make sense with my own eyes I wanna know more. But I want THAT info to make sense too. And I'm not looking for a fight...if anything I try to avoid that part of me cuz I know it drops me further from ascension. Again, thanks for the the kindness.

So shouldn't that phase of longer days be over? Especially with the time change and hte fact that we are getting shorter days. I realize that the sun and the moon are sometimes close together in the sky but not always and certainly not on the days I mentioned. It was pretty high up when I took my pic. I dunno. I know on Stellarium it had a hiccup to it at the horizon but we did have a time change. I'm sure the program had to account for it. On Stellarium it is super low on the horizon for the time I mentioned so maybe Stellarium was wrong?