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Moontard here: THE friggin MOON is NOT RIGHT!

 
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It is 10.16am here in New Zealand. I am looking at the moon and the sun, they are near each other in the daytime sky.


i have read the following info on various sites:

"If the Sun and the Moon are in the daytime sky together, then the moon has to be in a crescent or quarter phase. For this to occur, Moon has to be more or less between Sun and Earth. In that instance we can only see relatively small portion of its lit surface and most of it is unlit."
[link to wiki.answers.com]

But the moon looks larger than a quarter,
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Quarter phase means it's half full. It IS at quarter phase today.
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I see, thank you for that info.
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It is 10.16am here in New Zealand. I am looking at the moon and the sun, they are near each other in the daytime sky.


i have read the following info on various sites:

"If the Sun and the Moon are in the daytime sky together, then the moon has to be in a crescent or quarter phase. For this to occur, Moon has to be more or less between Sun and Earth. In that instance we can only see relatively small portion of its lit surface and most of it is unlit."
[link to wiki.answers.com]

But the moon looks larger than a quarter, and it is sitting on a funny angle, a bit like this:

x x x x x x
x x
x x
x x
x x
x x
x x
x
x
 Quoting: wtf is wrong with moon 1338602


this is exactly what i am seeing and you're on the other fuckin side of the earth


wtf this i why this shit boggles my mind
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Do you mean you are looking at the moon right now too???

How can we both be looking at the moon, coz as you say, we are on opposite sides of the earth.

What time of the day is it where you are?

It is now 10.52am here.

Also, could someone explain why the diagram i made with crosses is changed when i post it, i have seen other posters make diagrams with crosses, and theirs have obviously posted correctly...
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it's 3:00 pm here, and i am not looking at it RIGHT now, but what you are describing is EXACTLY what i saw when i went out to get coffee w/ my girlfriend about.. an hour and a half, MAYBE 2 hours ago
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It is 10.16am here in New Zealand. I am looking at the moon and the sun, they are near each other in the daytime sky.


i have read the following info on various sites:

"If the Sun and the Moon are in the daytime sky together, then the moon has to be in a crescent or quarter phase. For this to occur, Moon has to be more or less between Sun and Earth. In that instance we can only see relatively small portion of its lit surface and most of it is unlit."
[link to wiki.answers.com]

But the moon looks larger than a quarter, and it is sitting on a funny angle, a bit like this:

x x x x x x
x x
x x
x x
x x
x x
x x
x
x
 Quoting: wtf is wrong with moon 1338602


this is exactly what i am seeing and you're on the other fuckin side of the earth


wtf this i why this shit boggles my mind
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Do you mean you are looking at the moon right now too???

How can we both be looking at the moon, coz as you say, we are on opposite sides of the earth.

What time of the day is it where you are?

It is now 10.52am here.

Also, could someone explain why the diagram i made with crosses is changed when i post it, i have seen other posters make diagrams with crosses, and theirs have obviously posted correctly...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1338602


it's 3:00 pm here, and i am not looking at it RIGHT now, but what you are describing is EXACTLY what i saw when i went out to get coffee w/ my girlfriend about.. an hour and a half, MAYBE 2 hours ago
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How is this possible?
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Something is going on since almost late 2007.
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And that's how the Moon phases were --> [link to www.moonconnection.com] --> [link to static.ddmcdn.com]

Standing vertical with its shadow. Period.


However, there no reason to worry about. This for the good people.

Last Edited by DVCMCM on 11/06/2012 05:34 PM
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Something is going on since almost late 2007.
 Quoting: DUCM900


And that's how the Moon phases were --> [link to www.moonconnection.com] --> [link to static.ddmcdn.com]

Standing vertical with its shadow. Period.


However, there no reason to worry about. This for the good people.
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And yet AGAIN because you refuse to learn, those diagrams can not possbly show you field rotation because they don't know where you are or when you'll be looking at it.

And AGAIN because you refuse to learn, field rotation has been known about for centuries. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't exist. EVERYTHING in the sky undergoes the same apparent rotation EVERYTIME they are up. Just because you never noticed until 2007 doesn't mean it didn't happen before. Unless of course the ancient Egyptians and Shakespeare were lying and the old pictures posted in this thread are fakes and the textbooks that describe field rotation are wrong and old computer tracking telescopes are all wrong. No, since you never saw it before all those things are just part of some giant conspiracy right?

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Something is going on since almost late 2007.
 Quoting: DUCM900


And that's how the Moon phases were --> [link to www.moonconnection.com] --> [link to static.ddmcdn.com]

Standing vertical with its shadow. Period.


However, there no reason to worry about. This for the good people.
 Quoting: DUCM900


Let's think for a second. IF the Moon is high in the sky then yes, the phase will be vertical. But what about when near the horizon, rising and/or setting? If vertical then, then the lit side that would be pointing to the Sun would point either North or South. Does that even seem the slightest bit right to you? Think of a waxing first quarter Moon, rising in the daytime about 6 hours after sunrise. IF the phase appeared vertical while rising then the lit part would be to the South, but the Sun would be to the West. The only way for the lit part to point to the sun would be for it to be on the top. Variation in the observer's location, the Sun's orbit and the Moon's orbit would affect the exact observed angle but it should never appear perfectly vertical unless perhaps you were exactly at the North pole but even then there should be a small angle. If you still think so it means you're either a troll or you have zero ability to spatially visualize anything.

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Something is going on since almost late 2007.
 Quoting: DUCM900


And that's how the Moon phases were --> [link to www.moonconnection.com] --> [link to static.ddmcdn.com]

Standing vertical with its shadow. Period.


However, there no reason to worry about. This for the good people.
 Quoting: DUCM900


And yet AGAIN because you refuse to learn, those diagrams can not possbly show you field rotation because they don't know where you are or when you'll be looking at it.

And AGAIN because you refuse to learn, field rotation has been known about for centuries. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't exist. EVERYTHING in the sky undergoes the same apparent rotation EVERYTIME they are up. Just because you never noticed until 2007 doesn't mean it didn't happen before. Unless of course the ancient Egyptians and Shakespeare were lying and the old pictures posted in this thread are fakes and the textbooks that describe field rotation are wrong and old computer tracking telescopes are all wrong. No, since you never saw it before all those things are just part of some giant conspiracy right?

How do you actually function with such extreme paranoia?
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine

And yet AGAIN the Dumb Uneducated Cockily Moron will refuse that field rotation even exists.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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you put a lot of thought into that didn't you? I can tell. Don't stress yourself.
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It's bed time, schoolboy.

Will take some more years until you may drive a Ducati M900.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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can any of you astronomytards maybe help dig up like, a 3d model of how the moon orbits the earth? or one with the earth/moon in relation to the sun as well, demonstrating how the shadow on the moon is cast (or the bright side lit up if that's the case?) i can only find like, flat 2D ones that show it as being totally planar. surely if there is so much variation it can't be totally planar, right? like does it go around in a wobble or a cloud (like a diagram of electrons around a nucleus in an atom)

sorry if this sounds retarded, like i said, trying to imagine how it works in 3d space boggles my noggin
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I will try to explain this.

How the moon looks is depending on a lot of factors:
1. Position of the observer, date and time
2. Field rotation
3. Orbital time of the Moon around Earth
4. Orbital eccentricity of the Moon
5. Inclination of the moons orbit
6. Orbital eccentricity of the Earth
7. Inclination of Erath axis
All this movement is quite complex and an observer on Earth will see the Moon in exact the same position only after 18.something years.
But the most significant and noticable change is the field rotation.

Let's take a Moon in it's 3rd quarter, a waning, halflit Moon.
It rises around midnight and sets around noon.

Let's now go to the equator around the time of the summer or winter solstice.
(Actually you have to be a little offside of the equator because of the inclined (tilted) moon orbit, but let us make it simple)

Go out at midnight and face east to see the Moon rise.
You will notice, that the terminator (the border between the lit and dark side) is horizontal - lit site down, dark side up.
(Most people who are the first time close to the equator are a little surprised to see it like this)
You watch it rising as Earth rotates around its axis - 1 o'clock, 2, 3 - you have to lean back as its going higher in the sky - still lit site down, dark side up.
4 o'clock, 5, 6 - it's now direct overhead, quite uncomfortable to watch, but still lit site down, dark side up.
7 o'clock, 8 - if you go on watching the Moon (now in the daylight) and don't care, you fall on your ass - but still lit site down, dark side up.
You can now make a headstand to keep on watching - but most probably you will turn to the west.
But what's that? Now the lit side is up and the dark side is down.
You turn back to the east and bow back and again lit site down, dark side up.

Facing east: lit site down, dark side up - facing west: lit side is up and dark side down.
Obviously it is not the Moon that turns around, it is you.


Now lets go back in time - to the rising Moon at midnight.
But now we move away from the equator to the north by let's say 25° (to the south in the southern hemispere).
When the moon rises you will notice, that the terminator is no more horizontal - it's tilted by the amount you went to the north (south).
When you follow the path of the Moon from low in the east, now high in the south (north) and low in the west, you turn around and earth rotates.
Apparently the moon rotates - at moon rise the terminator is tilted to the right (left), at its highest point it's vertical and when the Moon sets its tilted to the left (right).
But it is you and the Earth that turn around and rotate. It's the same phenomenon as it is at the equator.


Of course this is an ideal set of parameters - the terminator is not vertical most times of the year - because we didn't take into accont the above mentioned numbers 3 to 7.
But for the times around the solstices it's quite accurate.



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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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That avatar of yours speaks for its self. I mean really. The moon blowing up thing was off the top of his head just like the moon. Yes you fool we all know everything moves evryday but it also moves a certain way. Not all over the place. We have moved in the galaxy. The galaxy moves. Stands to reason things would change. Now go to bed. Its past your bedtime.
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All I know is I took a picture of the moon on November 3rd at 10:40pm after work in the East. I went to bed about 12:00am. Time change happened at 2am on Sunday the 4rth of November. I took pictures of the sun when I woke up. I figured the moon should be long gone from my area by then. Wrong. The moon was in the sky in the West at 9:43am(10:43am really as with time change we gained an hour, right?). Please tell me why I could still see it even though it should be long gone by then. We rotate about a 24 hour period no matter what the world says our time is. So shouldn't the moon be halfway across the world at that time...or at the very least so low buildings would obscure it? It was pretty visible. Just saying is all. I know the OP was concerned about the way the moon was darkening but since this thread is about the moon I figured someone would see my question and answer it if they could. anybody have something similar happen this week? Should I be seeing the moon still around after 12 hours?
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nevermind Kissplash.
You´re the one, who is being kind.
I feel sorry for some people who are answering in the way, they answer you. They don´t know what they´re doing to themselves and others. Sadly those kind of people come into threads and poisoning the whole atmosphere until no one has the desire to even write anything about it anymore. But that´s on purpose. Best way is to just ignore people with such an energy and stay away, they will learn it the hard way and by this I mean the very hard way..

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All I know is I took a picture of the moon on November 3rd at 10:40pm after work in the East. I went to bed about 12:00am. Time change happened at 2am on Sunday the 4rth of November. I took pictures of the sun when I woke up. I figured the moon should be long gone from my area by then. Wrong. The moon was in the sky in the West at 9:43am(10:43am really as with time change we gained an hour, right?). Please tell me why I could still see it even though it should be long gone by then. We rotate about a 24 hour period no matter what the world says our time is. So shouldn't the moon be halfway across the world at that time...or at the very least so low buildings would obscure it? It was pretty visible. Just saying is all. I know the OP was concerned about the way the moon was darkening but since this thread is about the moon I figured someone would see my question and answer it if they could. anybody have something similar happen this week? Should I be seeing the moon still around after 12 hours?
 Quoting: Kissplash


Due to its inclined orbit the Moon can be up for more or less than 12 hours depending on the phase and time of year. Very similar to the way we have longer days in the summer because the Sun is up longer with the tilt of the Earth.
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oh! haven't read the thread yet but just last night had this same convo with my daughter! while driving home we both noticed that the moon looked sideways but instead of left or right side, it was a bottom half? wtf is that about?!
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oh! haven't read the thread yet but just last night had this same convo with my daughter! while driving home we both noticed that the moon looked sideways but instead of left or right side, it was a bottom half? wtf is that about?!
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I posted the answer to your question 6 posts above:
Thread: Moontard here: THE friggin MOON is NOT RIGHT! (Page 8)


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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Are you fucking retarded?

From your own link!

"The terms wet moon and dry moon originate from Hawaiian mythology, where it was thought that the moon appeared as a bowl which would fill up with rain. The period where this is most common, January 20 - February 18, corresponds with Kaelo the Water Bearer in Hawaiian astrology and makes the moon known as the "dripping wet moon". As the year passes into summer, the crescent shape shifts, pouring out the water and causing the summer rains. After the "bowl" empties, it dries out and rights itself, creating the "dry moon"."

January and February are not THIS TIME EVERY YEAR!
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Can you read? It says it happens in the winter, this is winter. Says its "most common" Jan Feb, which shows it also happens outside those months. Duh.
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This is not winter, it's fucking fall.. I mean seriously?
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i mean that fucker is an egg and it's gonna hatch and drop into the ocean and then pupate an then fuck some serious shit up. probably the leviathan from revelation, if you're into that sorta thing
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lets make a new book about that! shitstir2
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nevermind Kissplash.
You´re the one, who is being kind.
I feel sorry for some people who are answering in the way, they answer you. They don´t know what they´re doing to themselves and others. Sadly those kind of people come into threads and poisoning the whole atmosphere until no one has the desire to even write anything about it anymore. But that´s on purpose. Best way is to just ignore people with such an energy and stay away, they will learn it the hard way and by this I mean the very hard way..

be well

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 Quoting: Iolair


Thank you for your kind words! They made me feel a whole lot better! I'm just trying to make sense of this world the same as anyone else on here. When I see things that don't make sense with my own eyes I wanna know more. But I want THAT info to make sense too. And I'm not looking for a fight...if anything I try to avoid that part of me cuz I know it drops me further from ascension. Again, thanks for the the kindness. smile_kiss
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All I know is I took a picture of the moon on November 3rd at 10:40pm after work in the East. I went to bed about 12:00am. Time change happened at 2am on Sunday the 4rth of November. I took pictures of the sun when I woke up. I figured the moon should be long gone from my area by then. Wrong. The moon was in the sky in the West at 9:43am(10:43am really as with time change we gained an hour, right?). Please tell me why I could still see it even though it should be long gone by then. We rotate about a 24 hour period no matter what the world says our time is. So shouldn't the moon be halfway across the world at that time...or at the very least so low buildings would obscure it? It was pretty visible. Just saying is all. I know the OP was concerned about the way the moon was darkening but since this thread is about the moon I figured someone would see my question and answer it if they could. anybody have something similar happen this week? Should I be seeing the moon still around after 12 hours?
 Quoting: Kissplash


Due to its inclined orbit the Moon can be up for more or less than 12 hours depending on the phase and time of year. Very similar to the way we have longer days in the summer because the Sun is up longer with the tilt of the Earth.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


So shouldn't that phase of longer days be over? Especially with the time change and hte fact that we are getting shorter days. I realize that the sun and the moon are sometimes close together in the sky but not always and certainly not on the days I mentioned. It was pretty high up when I took my pic. I dunno. I know on Stellarium it had a hiccup to it at the horizon but we did have a time change. I'm sure the program had to account for it. On Stellarium it is super low on the horizon for the time I mentioned so maybe Stellarium was wrong?
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Something is going on since almost late 2007.
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And that's how the Moon phases were --> [link to www.moonconnection.com] --> [link to static.ddmcdn.com]

Standing vertical with its shadow. Period.


However, there no reason to worry about. This for the good people.
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