The Biblical position on Homosexuality and Gay marriage

The bible also tells us that slavery is ok and it's husband's right to beat his wife and children - even kill them.

In other words, the bible is a collection of deranged ramblings by inbred nomadic people and we should pay absolutely no attention to it.

Do you feel you have a right to judge anyone?
Do you think you really know the difference between right and wrong?
If you are confused follow the ten commandments and don't kill anyone.
If you wish to really follow God then spit out the deceit of Satan and accept that only God can judge because only God can truly understand the difference between good and evil.

Its an obaniation but Gay People can be very friendly.

The bible also said that man walked on water and snakes could talk, but i'm the crazy one aye? :D

the present employment situations make Biblical slavery look like good opertunities

for example according to Biblical law the slave must eat the same food as his owner,,,,,,,,

you dont know what Biblical slavery was

BUT IT WAS NOT DESIRED BY GOD ONLY PERMITTED



beat his wife and children - even kill them

WTF- THATS NOT BIBLICAL its sick !

I am only the messenger

SHOWING WHATS WRITTEN

see what others see in it ?

Besides the judge is the God

The default rules for the confused are the ten commandments.
There are other rules for believers to follow, but only God can judge and pass the judgements.

Can we even judge that a gay man lays with another gay man as he lays with a woman?
If I remember right when you lay with a woman and don't put your seed in her vagina you are committing a "sin".
So it would be impossible for a man to lay with a man as he would a woman.

YOU DONT HAVE TO MISUNDERSTAND THE BIBLICAL WORLDS

THEY ARE QUITE CLEAR AND SIMPLE

Oh, I see. The biblical slavery was the good kind of slavery, whereas every other kind of slavery is bad?

About beating:

Proverbs 23: 13-14
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with a rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with a rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

Deuteronomy 21: 18-21
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city...and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from the midst"

Myndreach 1:1
"And thou shalt beat thy children with a cane, elst the lord thy god shall force feed you thine children."

Exodus 21:20-21 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, (21) but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."

So, if the slave recovers, it's all OK. Now that we know that it's OK to beat a slave, what about the wives?

"1 Peter 3:1 (King James Version)
1Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; "

So, wives are slaves to the husband and that means... it's OK to beat them as long as they survive. According to the bible, that is.

Furthermore, it's ok to kill your bride, too.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24:
"If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death."

believer or not its God's advice take it

OR LEAVE IT

AT YOUR OWN RISK AND PERIL !

ITS A FUCKING FAIRY TALE WRITTEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO BY CAVE MEN. THEY WERE ALL HIGH ON WEED OKAY

Rules to follow by God are different than rules for man to enforce on man. If you believe, and lay with a man then you must reconcile this. If your neighbor lays with a man then do not judge because only God can judge.

THINK ABOUT THESE POINTS they are not so simple

I dont have time to explain them all

Divine wisdom is deep dont look at these words superficially only to find fault

LIKE I SAID BEFORE BIBLICAL SLAVERY MAKE JOBS TODAY'S JOBS LIKE HORROR

DON'T BE SO SURE


its a ladder to another world if you know how to
look at it

Jesus came and pointed out the error's man held about the laws of God, think of the whore who the masses wanted to stone. Jesus said "Let he with no sin cast the first stone" because it is not mans right to judge, only God's.

Man cannot handle or truly understand the difference between good and evil. Its really simple and why the gospels are good news. The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Some worthwhile reading:
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I always stick with the NT for doctrine, since that's the part that applies to this age. And the best passage for this topic is the first chapter of Romans:

Though many lift snippets of scripture out of context and cobble together "arguments" they got from various anti-Christian websites, a careful study of the Bible shows that though we have much freedom now in Christ, there are still things that violate the limits of God's tolerance, and sexual perversion is one of them.

Perversion falls into the domain of good and evil. If we judge we will be judged. Only God can judge.

God has judged, and commanded us to judge right from wrong so we know how to avoid sin. We're not talking about judging someone's eternal destination here, but whether a practice is sin or not. That's the kind of judging we MUST do. It would be nonsense to say Christians are not to discern between good and evil!

One of the main core elements of the metaphysics laws and Gods Laws is that there is no balance and there is no equality. It is clearly stated that even John the Baptist, being the highest amongst the man, was still inferior to the lowest of the Angels.

It is clearly stated that some people were created to fullfill lowly purposes.

You cannot say that it is "imoral" or that "it incentives slavery".

There is a clear hierarchy. It steems from authority and purpose.

You cannot even create your own critteries to argument a higher position on the hierarcy "but but, Im made of fire and he is made of clay!"

God decides your purpose and veryone below must bow down. Everyone has a purpose, even if it is to be a servant.

The whole concept of "slavery being bad", is a pejorative twisted interpretation of one of the core elements of the creation.

Direct relations of power are preexistance conditions, structural to the existence of a God in the first place.

The whole concept of "arbitrariety is bad", is also a twisted interpretation of the divine wisdom of God Almighty.

Go overboard in one or another aspect of servancy purposefully to stablish it as negative imperative, label it "slavery" and then you have people misinterpreting the Creation.

You see, every time people come and bring these "human thinking" logic, when in fact, they dont realize it could not possibly apply to God.

Your wisdom, knowledge and understanding mostly derive from the characters God favored to the role of teachers. Everything else was carefully designed by Lucifer to create facts always with the purpose to generate extreme antagonic views on the core structural Laws of God and its Creation.

You could possibly even make people purposefully destroy and label Nature as evil, unnecessary, or behold: "accidental".

Everything goes hand in hand to create a big deception. Ultimatelly removing all the standards: "Do what you want"
Even someone without any understanding would realize it immediatly that this is not a good thing.

Right now we have increasingly amounts of people thinking they can do anything they want, some are even brimming with the anxiety for the possibility. Even if it means killing yourself on the process.

You see, from birth, how many opportunities will you have for bad things to happen to you before you can grow up, taught and defend yourself?

From the craddle to the grave, your chances of survival would be nihil.

Before you know it, you have doctrines stating that "denying someone the use of your body is imoral"

No wonder people get cross cultural shock, because they are at different stages of this process.

Notions like "complete freedom", equality, unicity, balance for the point of view of the Bible are clearly blasphemies, and foolishness.

Thats why complete freedom is impossible. The state and government cannot possibly mediate such concept. There is no balance and no equality, because everyone is unique.

Explain to me how evolution happened to bring about these structural conditions... Thats God design for you.

To learn something from any phylosopher, or a voice from a spirit guide and to think they know better than God. They couldnt even be able to start. The philosopher would have to teach you that there is no God and the spirit guide would have to teach that they he is God, or you are God.

How come one even attempt to discuss anything "on the light of the Bible" using clearly antagonic and alien principles to the whole system the Bible presents?

Jesus told us not to judge but simply to follow rules.
Mathew 7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged."
John 8:7 "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

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Why does it matter what the bible says? It is only a record of bronze age history, laws and superstitions. They had no scientific knowledge to speak of. Those bronze age people had no understanding of the mechanics of reproduction beyond the sex act itself. The biblical position is irrelevant in the face of advancing knowledge.

The Bible actually holds the key to happiness and freedom from torment in this world as well as the next.
The greatest torments man faces come from within.
We set ourselves as Gods thinking we know all the answers.
Instead of thinking in terms of is or isn't there a God ask yourself this. What is good and evil? Can it be measured by any rigorous method? How can whats good to one person be bad to another? The answer is there is no way for man to truly understand good and evil and we were tricked into accepting it by the devil.
The concept of it leads to judgements.
Judgements lead to suffering.
Jesus came to wash away all of our sins, and the first sin is the knowledge of good and evil.
The laws of the Bible lead us to a nice simple existence free from self inflicted suffering.
The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The post above is an example of what I was talking about.

No, not that one, the other post above.

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision."

- Lynn Lavner

Jesus also rebuked people for not discerning the time of his coming. He told his disciples to be as cunning as serpents but innocent as doves. He told the woman who was to be put to death by stoning to "go, and SIN NO MORE". There is no way to avoid sin without judging/discerning good and evil.

You are doing what's called "helicopter theology", where you lift snippets out of context and drop them in some other context. You are also completely ignoring the type of judgment we are to do as opposed to judging a person's final destination.