The Biblical position on Homosexuality and Gay marriage

Judgement is judgement.
Would you stone a gay, or a whore?
If you believe that is the will of your God why don't you?
It says in several verses to kill them right?
That is the old way isn't it?
Do you believe it would be wrong for you to kill them?
Because it would be evil to kill them?
Is it evil to follow the serpent and commit the very first sin?
Is it better to judge and be judged, or to judge not?

How do you think it is possible to be as innocent as a dove if you carry the idea that you know right and wrong as God does?
Do doves have any concept of good and evil?

If you have it within yourself to discern good and evil, why do you need commandments? Why do you need the Bible at all? For to know good and evil is to be as God right?

Nothing of what you assert here has anything to do with the mechanics of homosexuality. Good and evil are ethical judgements made by the individual according to their own needs and experience. From my point of view anytime someone attempts to impose their view and desires on me, they are doing evil. Personally I found the bible contradictory and confusing. Along with some spectacular beauty and wisdom it also contains filth and mind stultifying superstition. Its confusion has been used to manipulate people and impose the will of the few upon the many. The laws of the bible are not simple. There are complex rules about cleanliness, slaughter and sexual relations. The apparently simple words of wisdom the Jesus character is reputed to have spoken are actually very complex for the analytical person. Even the "golden rule" requires us to carefully analyze our own best interests when we decide upon how to treat another person. They can be likened to Asimov's 3 laws of robotics, which while simply stated, lead to very complex decision making processes.

You might consider asking all your questions in one post.


Here again you want to exclude any definition of judging you don't like. Here again you want to lump Israel's national laws with the church in the age of grace. Here again you try to force a false dilemma. You might as well give it up, I won't fall for any of that.


Jesus said to be both at the same time; you'll have to go to Him if you have a problem with that. Why do you ignore the wise as serpents part?



We DON'T have it within ourselves; we use the BIBLE to get our standards. The Bible is written so that we know what God wants, what is right and wrong. Even the NT says that the OT was written for us as examples and lessons to learn.

Seriously, you're just throwing around disjointed ideas and bits of scripture and hoping something sticks to the wall. Come back with a coherent argument and I might respond again. Otherwise I'll just ignore you.

A person who follows the Bible and Jesus in particular has a responsibility to follow the laws as best they can.
To force a viewpoint on someone else is to pass judgement.
I will not engage in homosexual relations, however I do not believe Jesus wanted us to judge others for their decisions as only God can judge.
My stance is it is not for man to make his own laws and play God but for the individual to live his or her life according to their own beliefs. A follower of Jesus is responsible to spread the good news but if someone does not accept it we must not judge them.

God bless you OP. These are perilous times. Don't back down.

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Our world is destroyed now because good people, especially Christians, have failed to stand up and do anything! We cannot tolerate any evil and filth any longer! this includes pornography, homosexuality, lewdness, drunkeness, fornication, adultry etc.

It is very simple and coherent.
The Bible tells us rules.
The first rule man broke was to take the knowledge of good and evil.
This opened our minds to other sins.
God kicks us out of the garden for this.
Man is given rules to follow and is caused to suffer if he breaks the rules.
Jesus comes announced by John the baptist.
Jesus came and fulfilled the prophesies.
Jesus taught us how to follow him and be as God intended us to be.
The most important occurrence in the new testament is forgiveness.
Jesus died and wiped away our sins.
The only people that Jesus ever judged in the new testament were the money changers in the church using God for profit.
All are sinners, but Jesus washes away our sins.
Once we are born again we are clean and free of sin.
John 3:17 "God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him may have everlasting life".
Jesus is not about judgement he is about forgiveness.
Man is capable of being free from sin and clean if you just let go of all of them.
What was the first sin that was passed from generation to generation? The knowledge of good and evil.
Its simple you can be as pure as a dove, and as cunning as a serpent without embracing the lies of the devil.

I will not engage in homosexual activity because I was born a heterosexual and find thoughts of homosexual activity disgusting and nauseating. Judgement is a higher intellectual activity which requires the taking in and balancing of information. It is my right and duty to judge and discriminate carefully when I hire people for my company. If you defer judgement to an outside agency you are in danger of not making the best decision and accepting a lower level of service. Each person lives within the confines of their own imagination and is responsible to themselves and while I feel they should not allow others to impose upon them, I would not impose that view on any other person. A follower of Jesus has a first responsibility to analyze his teachings and measure their behavior by it. The example of a good person they become is far louder than any little words they may speak. In fact often for many people speaking words is a substitute for them doing the right thing.

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Did you know there are approximately 300,000 Christian churches in the United States?
Pornography, homosexuality, lewdness, drunkenness, divorce, prostitution, murder, rape, theft are all rampant in the United States, although we have many laws to forbid many of these practices.

All it would take is a simple reformation of the people who want to follow Jesus to lead by example and the crime would drop.
Spread the good news free yourself from your bonds of sin.

I don't really care what your favored scripture says.

The bible also says that you can't wear two different fabrics at once, I seriously doubt you're wearing a toga right now.
But yes, let's pay attention to one of the laws of leviticus and ignore the others.

There is a difference between making a logical decision and judging something as good and evil.

Love thy enemy.
Turn the other cheek.
Do not judge.
Be like minded.
Do not resist authority, even.
Respect everyone else.

Lead them to the truth.
BUT REBUKE EVERYONE WHO BREAKS THE LAW OF GOD.
Do not be partakers of her sin.
Do not drink of the cup of her fornications, LEST YOU WILL DRINK THE CUP OF THE WRATH OF GOD.

The behaviour imperative is clear: rebuke and reproach them for their behavior and teach them the truth, if they not comply, do not partake on their sins. Do not be part of their system.

Its the Bible clearly teaching: YOU WILL NOT "ADDAPT". YOU WILL NOT "ACCEPT THEM", YOU WILL NOT "BECOME LIKE THEM". YOU WILL NOT LIVE AMONGST THEM OR BE PART OF THEIR BEAST SYSTEM.

The Judgement comes when the Christians are so surrounded that they cannot really keep the behavior taught by God anymore, lest they be killed.

The thing is the Bible teachings for Christians are clear, you do not do this, you do not do that, but when people around ARE WRONG, they are wrong and you will not comply with them, you will not partake on their sin.

When God means, you do not Judge. Its basically saying "Because only I am the Judge".

So people are mixing up "judgement" with reproach and rebuking.

"Oh, you do not comply to our social rules you are a fundamentalist intolerant judgemental primitive uncivilized christian".

This is their wording strategy. But the Bible said it would happen, it happened before and so on. Christians knows that homosexualism is inherently an abomination.

No amount of sugar coating

"Oh, homosexuals love too"

No amount of "human thinking" standards

"The science/medicine/psychology has proven that their biologic genre do not match their psychologic genre"

The point of life according to the KJV Bible doctrine is not to love life.

"Homossexuals have the right to be happy too"

Every single argument they can come up with falls short under the Truth, the Word of God.

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may ! not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

The Bible describe the behaviours of angels.

Angels do not judge. But they only rebuke.


When Gabriel came to Zachariah, father of John the Baptist to tell him he would have a child.

He didnt initially believed Gabriel, Gabriel then rebuked him for that.


Thats not Judgement.

What will become of us when we all start copy pasting.

You copy paste the old half thought out deceptive arguments and I will copy paste the answers to every single possible deception attempt.

Deal?

When do we start?

All of this is Exhibit A on whether the OT can be applied to the NT and mixed together as Jesus said not to do in his parable of the wine skins. What a mashed-up mess it makes.

What will become of us when we all start copy pasting.

You copy paste the old half thought out deceptive arguments and I will copy paste the answers to every single possible deception attempt.

Deal?

When do we start?

I've started. It's your turn to explain why certain parts of Leviticus matter while others don't. Feel free to include any quotes from Jesus regarding homosexuality while you're at it - assuming you can find any.

Last Edited by ToSeek on 11/05/2012 11:00 AM

Poor findings. None of them close by what really happens if two of the same sex resolve their time in having sex.

Do they in freedom or have fear. There that all-resolving-formula God is to mess with.

To insist and to argue ernestly with such rather tired sentences, at base and not as decoration, that just unveils a stubborn mentality or to a suffering fear.

But where the fear is, there is -

I posted this only to discuss the Biblical prohibition on homosexuality


AND HOW MARRAIGE IS A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION AND GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE IN IT OR IN THE BEDROOM FOR THAT MATTER


As far as explaining all the laws of the Torah
thats another matter

1) Employment to day is worse than "Biblical slavery"

2) McDonalds don't pay enough

3)If she wants it she will tell you the truth

4)Invite the neighbors to the Barbq
if they are still upset as they are vegans
roast tofu

5)Biblical death penalty has not been active since end of first Temple, Capitol cases are tried only by the court of 71 judges who include Prophets. There has been none since beginning of 2nd temple period,
BOTTOM LIKE IS TIMES HAVE CHANGE-THERE IS NO PROPHETS OR COURT OF 71 AT THIS TIME

6)Both do spiritual and, or physical damage
both are destructive in different ways


7)Its referring to descendents of Ahron who approach the Alter,the blemishes are defined and perfect vision is not required


8)This transgression does not entail physical death
but these hairs "can" act as antennea for spiritual inspiration and insight, by cutting them they dont work as well

9)The "spiritual" impurity is only transmitted by the animal itself but not its finished tanned hides ie FOOTBALL
so no problem- SPIRITUAL DEFILEMENT WAS VERY RELEVANT IN THE PROPHETIC PERIOD - NOW NOT SO MUCH

10) Its not good to mix plant, GIVE THEM SPACE TO GROW
its not a physical thing as much as spiritual.
cotton/polyester blend is fine , it is wool and linen mixture that block flow of spiritual energy
Linen is VERY conductive-this commandment is like mixed seed in nature

true
" God's word is eternal and unchanging"

BUT ONE MUST UNDERSTAND HOW IT APPLIES
THIS REQUIRES THE "ORAL LAW"

I says in the Bible :

"Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'Throughout the generations to come you are to make fringes on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each fringe."

How do you make fringes ?

ONLY BY ORAL LAW CAN YOU KNOW
THE WHOLE BIBLE IS LIKE A INDEX TO THE WEALTH
OF THE ORAL TRADITION WHICH EXPLAINS IT
OTHERWISE ONE CAN TELL MUCH FROM WHAT THE BIBLE IS TELLING
YOU TO DO !

MANY OF THE ANSWERS YOU SEEK
or maybe not

are here

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for those who WANT TO KNOW
FOR SURE

TO SOME TRUTH IS IRRELEVANT


Any one can do what they want

but don't say the Bible says it


OK

correct op TOTALLY CORRECT , BURN EM ALL ....

lets not


God sorts it all out sooner


or


LATER

Verily!

We are to judge SIN

We are not to judge a person's heart...

HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONS ARE AN ABOMINATION AND SIN period.

Perverts choose unhealthy activity and when they become diseased the burden is put on society as a whole. Other people should not have to pay their mental problems and acts of perversion. It is not hip, cute or gay, it is a sickness.