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| AFewGoodWomen User ID: 21140569  United States11/05/2012 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1570311 United States11/05/2012 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would highly discourage anyone from installing a pellet stove as most require electricity to fucntion properly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8950 Also, what happens when deliveries can't be made and you run out of pellets? You are fucked. With a wood stove you could burn your furniture if it came to that. We installed a wood burning furnace a few years ago....28 cords of wood in the back and 7 in the basement.....My husband still thinks we need more. lol I highly doubt you could store even 1 cord in your basement. Are you dumb? A chord of wood is only 4x4x8 in feet. 4 foot wide, 4 foot high and 8 foot long. Easily stored in a basement. I am not the poster you responded to, but I had to chime in on another Urban Dweller trying to act smart. I could fit a chord of wood in my walk in closet and still have 2 ft walking room on the side and 4 feet above. Learn a little before speaking. |
Kirk  User ID: 25384388 United States11/05/2012 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Search for the title before posting... I'm sure there will be several more of this post today and tomorrow. Quoting: Giftedest The man and gas station owner were arrested for using 5 gallon paint buckets. Look at the picture of 30 buckets stacked in the van with the lids coming off. It could be deadly to more than the van driver, k. I could give two shits about other threads, most good stories get lost forever here, so having the same topic posted more than once is the only way shit gets pinned that is important. And yeah, we know he broke the law, but it just shows you how fucking desperate these people are. And this bullshit about the lids expanding, that is complete bullshit, its all fucking plastic. My plastic gas cans don't expand do yours? the problem is transport. 150 gallons of gas in plastic buckets could torch a whole intersection and everyone in it. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15170057  Canada11/05/2012 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which is more dangerous? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334 Freezing to death from generators not running or possibly using the wrong container for gas? The Government is here to protect you, even if it kills you in the process. Was it the BEST option to haul gas like that? Nope. Was it a better option then letting your children and others face freezing nights without power. Hell yes. Of course, since the idiots on this thread are not facing the issue, they have no right to judge what they would do, nor what others have the right to do to protect their own. Children need to be raised in a home and to have a wood stove or pellet stove for back up heat. Its what is done in the winter in the midwest and northern and mountain states. You cant place your lives 100 percent on the utility line and the gas station. This ^^^^^^ no kidding. |
| Beezy User ID: 1508256 United States11/05/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I have a beef with the Lame Stream Media and the way they report. The headline was totally wrong. The headline doesn't match the story. Should be "men arrested for transporting gas in unapproved containers". And with that said, if he could go that far to get the gas, he should have been able to get the containers. I would rather have less gas and get home alive with it, than to take the risk that he took for himself, everyone at the station, and everyone on the highway between the gas station and home. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15170057 Canada11/05/2012 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which is more dangerous? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334 Freezing to death from generators not running or possibly using the wrong container for gas? The Government is here to protect you, even if it kills you in the process. Was it the BEST option to haul gas like that? Nope. Was it a better option then letting your children and others face freezing nights without power. Hell yes. Of course, since the idiots on this thread are not facing the issue, they have no right to judge what they would do, nor what others have the right to do to protect their own. Children need to be raised in a home and to have a wood stove or pellet stove for back up heat. Its what is done in the winter in the midwest and northern and mountain states. You cant place your lives 100 percent on the utility line and the gas station. I don't know if you are aware, but in most cities now, it is illegal to have an open fireplace & burning wood, coal. Where I live, only "natural gas" & electricity is allowed. We can thank environmental laws for this. Maybe that's "most cities" in Canada. I think there were a couple places in the USA that did inspections and made people take out or modify their fireplaces, but that's surely the exception rather than the rule here. Another reason to NOT live in a city. |
| Sledster User ID: 982167  Germany11/05/2012 01:43 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005 Good Luck If you do store some gas. Don't forget to put stabilizer in it :) What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? Gasoline is a liquid, liquids neither compress nor expand (thermal expansion coefficient is VERY low) due to temperature changes. A stabilizer is a product that when added to fuel will allow a longer term of storage prior to the fuel breaking down. One has nothing to do with the other. I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already! Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15170057 Canada11/05/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I have a beef with the Lame Stream Media and the way they report. The headline was totally wrong. The headline doesn't match the story. Should be "men arrested for transporting gas in unapproved containers". Quoting: Beezy And with that said, if he could go that far to get the gas, he should have been able to get the containers. I would rather have less gas and get home alive with it, than to take the risk that he took for himself, everyone at the station, and everyone on the highway between the gas station and home. Under the desperate circumstances, he should not be arrested, people should help him find proper gas cans instead. Good Lord, how sad. :( |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27068914 Canada11/05/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the great US of A, you get arrested for trying to help out your neighbors. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8950 The state doesn't want you to think or act on your own, therefore you are arrested for circumventing the states "disaster" recovery aparatus. Imagine what 5 gallons of gas would have done to help all those people surive a little longer. Disgusting: [link to www.nbcconnecticut.com] Police arrested a 47-year-old New York man accused of filling up 30 five-gallon Home Depot buckets with gasoline on Saturday night. According to investigators, Yunus Latif, of Richmond Hill, collected money from his neighbors, bought gas at a Valero station almost 80 miles away in Orange and planned to bring it back to his neighborhood, where they had no power and gas. That owner of the Valero gas station, located at 347 Boston Post Road, was arrested as well. Both men were issued a misdemeanor summons for violation of regulation concerning flammable or combustible liquids. THE REAL STORY IS THE REAL DANGER OF A 55MPH FIREBALL KILLING INOCENTS GET WITH IT OP ONE STATIC AND ITS A BURNING NEIBOURHOOD |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States11/05/2012 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I have a beef with the Lame Stream Media and the way they report. The headline was totally wrong. The headline doesn't match the story. Should be "men arrested for transporting gas in unapproved containers". Quoting: Beezy And with that said, if he could go that far to get the gas, he should have been able to get the containers. I would rather have less gas and get home alive with it, than to take the risk that he took for himself, everyone at the station, and everyone on the highway between the gas station and home. Another uninformed comment. It's great to hear the views of so many clueless people, but the fact is that in the affected area you can get gasoline, you can even get generators, but the very hardest thing to get is gas cans. |
| 284dan User ID: 9107938 United States11/05/2012 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That guy is stupid for using 5 gallon buckets to store gas. He shouldnt be arrested though. Gas taken from him until he can store it properly, but not arrested. It`s OK to tell your Government No. Proud Patriot and Pro 2nd Amendment. Democrats Stole The 2020 Election. |
| Laura Bow User ID: 1158661 United States11/05/2012 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the article: The gas was returned to underground storage tanks, police said. Wonder where the gas actually went...back to the original store, to a tank in the area....or somewhere else? The gas was paid for, why not at least transport it safely to where it was to be intended for the friends and family who needed it? Last Edited by Laura Bow on 11/05/2012 01:48 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada11/05/2012 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST Children need to be raised in a home and to have a wood stove or pellet stove for back up heat. Its what is done in the winter in the midwest and northern and mountain states. You cant place your lives 100 percent on the utility line and the gas station. I don't know if you are aware, but in most cities now, it is illegal to have an open fireplace & burning wood, coal. Where I live, only "natural gas" & electricity is allowed. We can thank environmental laws for this. I didnt say Fireplaces or OPEN anything, I said a woodburning stove which is contained . You do know what a woodburning stove is right? And of course fireplaces though are legal here. Its usually already built into homes but its no where near able to provide livable heat like a woodburning stove can. Heres a link to woodburning stoves from ACE hardware, practically sold in every city of the USA [link to www.acehardware.com] I was replying to your statement about children etc. Since cities have stict laws about wooodburning stoves, this makes it impossible for most average families or poorer families. I just spoke to my own city about this & if we live in condo's we cannot install a woodburning stove at all. Only private independent standing homes can "apply" for a permit & has to be inspected, & the fire dept. also have to be part of it. Plus, one's home insurance goes up. Again, with so much of big brother involved, it becomes financially impossible for most. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23200542 United States11/05/2012 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That guy is stupid for using 5 gallon buckets to store gas. He shouldnt be arrested though. Gas taken from him until he can store it properly, but not arrested. Quoting: 284dan I agree and really wondering - what constitutes being arrested - certainly there is some criteria of some sort. in this situation I don't think he should have been arrested and I like your proposed solution, provided proper containers are available. |
| Sledster User ID: 982167 Germany11/05/2012 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Stupid!!! IT Burns!!! Quoting: Sledster I would transport 200 gallons of gasoline in empty MILK JUGS if it meant the difference between my family freezing to death or having heat for a couple of days. What good are you and the gasoline if both burn up making the trip? Worse yet, as you get into the city, the fumes ignite and begin to burn, you lose control and crash into homes and apartments, the gas explodes and a massive fire consumes a block, and hundreds die, more are burnt and out in the cold. A little common sense, even when desperate is always the way to go. But some people lose all common sense when they are in crisis mode... Which is why the NY, NJ areas are so dangerous now. How long until you have huge fires from people attempting to keep warm? Could be even worse with the approaching storm, high winds and power outages again, along with bitter cold... Where are you at AC? Florida? or California? You must have good weather and I bet your goddamn gas stations are open. These people have a crisis on their hands and all you want to do is whine about what "COULD" happen. Grow the fuck up and get a pair of balls somewhere, because you may need to think outside of the goddamn box once in your life in order to SURVIVE. That's what these people are doing and I dont blame them one bit. The cops were in the wrong for taking the man's fuel from him, illegal containers or not! That kind of shit just pisses me off and you want to banter about laws being broken. Get a fucking CLUE! I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already! Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15170057 Canada11/05/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7554855 I don't know if you are aware, but in most cities now, it is illegal to have an open fireplace & burning wood, coal. Where I live, only "natural gas" & electricity is allowed. We can thank environmental laws for this. I didnt say Fireplaces or OPEN anything, I said a woodburning stove which is contained . You do know what a woodburning stove is right? And of course fireplaces though are legal here. Its usually already built into homes but its no where near able to provide livable heat like a woodburning stove can. Heres a link to woodburning stoves from ACE hardware, practically sold in every city of the USA [link to www.acehardware.com] I was replying to your statement about children etc. Since cities have stict laws about wooodburning stoves, this makes it impossible for most average families or poorer families. I just spoke to my own city about this & if we live in condo's we cannot install a woodburning stove at all. Only private independent standing homes can "apply" for a permit & has to be inspected, & the fire dept. also have to be part of it. Plus, one's home insurance goes up. Again, with so much of big brother involved, it becomes financially impossible for most. All true and sickening, they make hard so we have to depend on the government for basic necessities. |
| Kirk User ID: 25384388 United States11/05/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Stupid!!! IT Burns!!! Quoting: Sledster I would transport 200 gallons of gasoline in empty MILK JUGS if it meant the difference between my family freezing to death or having heat for a couple of days. You fucking Government shills can all GO TO HELL! I remember seeing the outside wall blown out of an apartment when a 1 pound propane bottle leaked. Not a hole, the entire wall. The owner of the bottle had re-filled it. Turns out it would have been way cheaper to have bought a new one. Your guy with the paint cans was transporting over a thousand pounds of fuel. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada11/05/2012 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005 Good Luck If you do store some gas. Don't forget to put stabilizer in it :) What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? Gasoline is a liquid, liquids neither compress nor expand (thermal expansion coefficient is VERY low) due to temperature changes. A stabilizer is a product that when added to fuel will allow a longer term of storage prior to the fuel breaking down. One has nothing to do with the other. This past summer, I purchased 2 small plastic gas cans & filled them with gasoline. I stored outside by a hedge & covered them lightly with a tarp. After a few months went by I went to check on them & they were both swollen. I opened the caps slowly to release the gases & dumped the gasoline into my car. So lesson learned. How the can we store gasoline safely with this happening. |
| thetrickybigguy User ID: 27048813 United States11/05/2012 01:55 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prepping? How much gas have you stored in preparation? Just curious. have a barrel with 200 liters with gas and have 1500 liters diesel. i have food for 1 year at least. and after that i have a huge garden to grow shit. i am as prepared as can be. its what i do. people call me crazy... i know who is crazy and it aint me,,,,, shitheads when TSHTF they will be coming to take your shit cause YOU got a BIG mouth....  Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~ Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~ Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~ Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poloi' in Greek meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~ “When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.” If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain. Winston Churchill |
| Kirk User ID: 25384388 United States11/05/2012 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which is more dangerous? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334 Freezing to death from generators not running or possibly using the wrong container for gas? The Government is here to protect you, even if it kills you in the process. Was it the BEST option to haul gas like that? Nope. Was it a better option then letting your children and others face freezing nights without power. Hell yes. Of course, since the idiots on this thread are not facing the issue, they have no right to judge what they would do, nor what others have the right to do to protect their own. Children need to be raised in a home and to have a wood stove or pellet stove for back up heat. Its what is done in the winter in the midwest and northern and mountain states. You cant place your lives 100 percent on the utility line and the gas station. pellet stoves require electricity to run the auger. you need a wood stove. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
| Kirk User ID: 25384388 United States11/05/2012 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? Gasoline is a liquid, liquids neither compress nor expand (thermal expansion coefficient is VERY low) due to temperature changes. A stabilizer is a product that when added to fuel will allow a longer term of storage prior to the fuel breaking down. One has nothing to do with the other. This past summer, I purchased 2 small plastic gas cans & filled them with gasoline. I stored outside by a hedge & covered them lightly with a tarp. After a few months went by I went to check on them & they were both swollen. I opened the caps slowly to release the gases & dumped the gasoline into my car. So lesson learned. How the can we store gasoline safely with this happening. I assume you want to power a generator. Use propane. Enormous shelf life. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24184617 United States11/05/2012 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree it isn't safe to transport that much gasoline in that manner. However, unless someone plows into him there isn't much danger except to the man himself because of fumes. Gas cans do NOT have vents any more, and the National Guard in NJ was allowing people to fill up any type of container with gas. They "returned the gas to the underground storage facilities" in this man's case...did it get sold twice? Did he get his money back? Quoting: snark yea there is plenty of danger... its cold out and the guy prolly had the heat in the car on also the owner got arrested for selling him the gas |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States11/05/2012 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7554855 I don't know if you are aware, but in most cities now, it is illegal to have an open fireplace & burning wood, coal. Where I live, only "natural gas" & electricity is allowed. We can thank environmental laws for this. I didnt say Fireplaces or OPEN anything, I said a woodburning stove which is contained . You do know what a woodburning stove is right? And of course fireplaces though are legal here. Its usually already built into homes but its no where near able to provide livable heat like a woodburning stove can. Heres a link to woodburning stoves from ACE hardware, practically sold in every city of the USA [link to www.acehardware.com] I was replying to your statement about children etc. Since cities have stict laws about wooodburning stoves, this makes it impossible for most average families or poorer families. I just spoke to my own city about this & if we live in condo's we cannot install a woodburning stove at all. Only private independent standing homes can "apply" for a permit & has to be inspected, & the fire dept. also have to be part of it. Plus, one's home insurance goes up. Again, with so much of big brother involved, it becomes financially impossible for most. Again, you think us Americans are moronic and stupid? Of course it has to be up to code !!!!!!!! youll burn your place down if it isnt !!!! And of course condos and apartments cant have a stove, duh ! But if one was to raise a family, of course youre expected to provide a real home for them. and boo hoo hoo, too many hurdles to save your families life if the heat went out. Boo hoo, cant save up money no, for something that could save your life, Cant walk down or make phone calls to make sure everythings good to go, yeah, too much trouble to make a fire, only heating elements and furnace from utility company can provide us like a baby and a teat, boo hoo, cry me a river. |
| thetrickybigguy User ID: 27048813 United States11/05/2012 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this guy got his sisters van confiscated because it had illegal tanks in it and because he was stealing gas from stations. [link to www.sun-sentinel.com] Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~ Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~ Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~ Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poloi' in Greek meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~ “When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.” If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain. Winston Churchill |
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| Beezy User ID: 1508256 United States11/05/2012 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I have a beef with the Lame Stream Media and the way they report. The headline was totally wrong. The headline doesn't match the story. Should be "men arrested for transporting gas in unapproved containers". Quoting: Beezy And with that said, if he could go that far to get the gas, he should have been able to get the containers. I would rather have less gas and get home alive with it, than to take the risk that he took for himself, everyone at the station, and everyone on the highway between the gas station and home. Another uninformed comment. It's great to hear the views of so many clueless people, but the fact is that in the affected area you can get gasoline, you can even get generators, but the very hardest thing to get is gas cans. Not sure that West Haven, Conn was that adversly affected. Hey, the dude drove all that way, he can get the gas cans there! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States11/05/2012 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which is more dangerous? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334 Freezing to death from generators not running or possibly using the wrong container for gas? The Government is here to protect you, even if it kills you in the process. Was it the BEST option to haul gas like that? Nope. Was it a better option then letting your children and others face freezing nights without power. Hell yes. Of course, since the idiots on this thread are not facing the issue, they have no right to judge what they would do, nor what others have the right to do to protect their own. Children need to be raised in a home and to have a wood stove or pellet stove for back up heat. Its what is done in the winter in the midwest and northern and mountain states. You cant place your lives 100 percent on the utility line and the gas station. pellet stoves require electricity to run the auger. you need a wood stove. Yeah, my mistake mentioning pellet, lol. Ive re clarified myself, Had a pellet stove for a mere 6 months in my residence after I installed it, Had to move again, wont get one again, went back to wood. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada11/05/2012 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That guy is stupid for using 5 gallon buckets to store gas. He shouldnt be arrested though. Gas taken from him until he can store it properly, but not arrested. Quoting: 284dan No where in the article does it say that he was going to "store it". He was bringing it back for his neighbors. If the authorities were on the "ball" & doing their job, then this man would not have had to resort to doing this. Also, why did not the cop give an escort to the man so he could deliver the gas safely. This sad story just highlights the insurmountable problems these people are facing, & the lacksadasical attitude of the authorities. Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't. A neighbor who was being a hero gets fined. People who were trying to help themselves get to go without gas. What a world we now live in. Makes me sick. |
| Sledster User ID: 982167 Germany11/05/2012 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That guy is stupid for using 5 gallon buckets to store gas. He shouldnt be arrested though. Gas taken from him until he can store it properly, but not arrested. Quoting: 284dan No where in the article does it say that he was going to "store it". He was bringing it back for his neighbors. If the authorities were on the "ball" & doing their job, then this man would not have had to resort to doing this. Also, why did not the cop give an escort to the man so he could deliver the gas safely. This sad story just highlights the insurmountable problems these people are facing, & the lacksadasical attitude of the authorities. Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't. A neighbor who was being a hero gets fined. People who were trying to help themselves get to go without gas. What a world we now live in. Makes me sick. And all the libtards want to do is bemoan the broken laws... FFS! I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already! Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick. |
