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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11326620 United Kingdom 11/05/2012 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is just one example of how it can all go wrong, from a recent gas shortage scare: "Panic at the pumps: Mum fights for her life after setting fire to herself pouring petrol in home because daughter had run out of fuel" [link to www.mirror.co.uk] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7554855 What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? Gasoline is a liquid, liquids neither compress nor expand (thermal expansion coefficient is VERY low) due to temperature changes. A stabilizer is a product that when added to fuel will allow a longer term of storage prior to the fuel breaking down. One has nothing to do with the other. This past summer, I purchased 2 small plastic gas cans & filled them with gasoline. I stored outside by a hedge & covered them lightly with a tarp. After a few months went by I went to check on them & they were both swollen. I opened the caps slowly to release the gases & dumped the gasoline into my car. So lesson learned. How the can we store gasoline safely with this happening. I assume you want to power a generator. Use propane. Enormous shelf life. no, I don't have a generator. I was merely being pro-active in having some emergency gas on hand for my car, in case of an emergency & I need to get out of dodge quick. So whats the reason then that the gas can expanded? Is it 100% unsafe then to store gasoline? |
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Sharty Mc Bean User ID: 27054112 Netherlands 11/05/2012 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prepping? How much gas have you stored in preparation? Just curious. have a barrel with 200 liters with gas and have 1500 liters diesel. i have food for 1 year at least. and after that i have a huge garden to grow shit. i am as prepared as can be. its what i do. people call me crazy... i know who is crazy and it aint me,,,,, shitheads when TSHTF they will be coming to take your shit cause YOU got a BIG mouth.... the real sheeps dont read glp!! They start to die from starvation and no facebook 3 days after shtf! the good thing in germany is, if you are armed you are king. in merica you face a million armed negroes and other sheep that want to steal your shit. have a nice day... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25327582 Canada 11/05/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That guy is stupid for using 5 gallon buckets to store gas. He shouldnt be arrested though. Gas taken from him until he can store it properly, but not arrested. Quoting: 284dan No where in the article does it say that he was going to "store it". He was bringing it back for his neighbors. If the authorities were on the "ball" & doing their job, then this man would not have had to resort to doing this. Also, why did not the cop give an escort to the man so he could deliver the gas safely. This sad story just highlights the insurmountable problems these people are facing, & the lacksadasical attitude of the authorities. Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't. A neighbor who was being a hero gets fined. People who were trying to help themselves get to go without gas. What a world we now live in. Makes me sick. And all the libtards want to do is bemoan the broken laws... FFS! Do you think that in a crisis situation well intentioned but clueless citizens should be allowed to drive bombs around? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the article: Quoting: Laura Bow The gas was returned to underground storage tanks, police said. Wonder where the gas actually went...back to the original store, to a tank in the area....or somewhere else? The gas was paid for, why not at least transport it safely to where it was to be intended for the friends and family who needed it? Exactly. But these people in control lack any compassion or common sense. |
Beezy User ID: 1508256 United States 11/05/2012 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That guy is stupid for using 5 gallon buckets to store gas. He shouldnt be arrested though. Gas taken from him until he can store it properly, but not arrested. Quoting: 284dan No where in the article does it say that he was going to "store it". He was bringing it back for his neighbors. If the authorities were on the "ball" & doing their job, then this man would not have had to resort to doing this. Also, why did not the cop give an escort to the man so he could deliver the gas safely. This sad story just highlights the insurmountable problems these people are facing, & the lacksadasical attitude of the authorities. Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't. A neighbor who was being a hero gets fined. People who were trying to help themselves get to go without gas. What a world we now live in. Makes me sick. And all the libtards want to do is bemoan the broken laws... FFS! Do you think that in a crisis situation well intentioned but clueless citizens should be allowed to drive bombs around? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didnt say Fireplaces or OPEN anything, I said a woodburning stove which is contained . You do know what a woodburning stove is right? And of course fireplaces though are legal here. Its usually already built into homes but its no where near able to provide livable heat like a woodburning stove can. Heres a link to woodburning stoves from ACE hardware, practically sold in every city of the USA [link to www.acehardware.com] I was replying to your statement about children etc. Since cities have stict laws about wooodburning stoves, this makes it impossible for most average families or poorer families. I just spoke to my own city about this & if we live in condo's we cannot install a woodburning stove at all. Only private independent standing homes can "apply" for a permit & has to be inspected, & the fire dept. also have to be part of it. Plus, one's home insurance goes up. Again, with so much of big brother involved, it becomes financially impossible for most. Again, you think us Americans are moronic and stupid? Of course it has to be up to code !!!!!!!! youll burn your place down if it isnt !!!! And of course condos and apartments cant have a stove, duh ! But if one was to raise a family, of course youre expected to provide a real home for them. and boo hoo hoo, too many hurdles to save your families life if the heat went out. Boo hoo, cant save up money no, for something that could save your life, Cant walk down or make phone calls to make sure everythings good to go, yeah, too much trouble to make a fire, only heating elements and furnace from utility company can provide us like a baby and a teat, boo hoo, cry me a river. Wow...chill out Apollo. I was not intimating that Americans are stupid. You seem to be venting so I will drop the subject. Sorry if I offended you. |
Sledster User ID: 982167 Germany 11/05/2012 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sledster Gasoline is a liquid, liquids neither compress nor expand (thermal expansion coefficient is VERY low) due to temperature changes. A stabilizer is a product that when added to fuel will allow a longer term of storage prior to the fuel breaking down. One has nothing to do with the other. This past summer, I purchased 2 small plastic gas cans & filled them with gasoline. I stored outside by a hedge & covered them lightly with a tarp. After a few months went by I went to check on them & they were both swollen. I opened the caps slowly to release the gases & dumped the gasoline into my car. So lesson learned. How the can we store gasoline safely with this happening. I assume you want to power a generator. Use propane. Enormous shelf life. no, I don't have a generator. I was merely being pro-active in having some emergency gas on hand for my car, in case of an emergency & I need to get out of dodge quick. So whats the reason then that the gas can expanded? Is it 100% unsafe then to store gasoline? Well, it's not the liquid fuel that expands. The liquid fuel will vaporize when warm and the pressure comes from having a certain amount of empty headspace above the fuel where the vapors collect. These vapors are what create the pressure in the can, not the liquid fuel itself. Remove as much headspace as you can and the fuel cannot vaporize enough to increase the pressure in the container. Simple physics. No it is safe to store gas, but the chemistry of todays fuels dont allow for long-term storage. You should rotate out gasoline about once every 3 months or so. Because in the US we add Ethanol to our fuel, the ethanol will absorb water into the fuel and 10% of the total volume of fuel will essentially be useless. Any modern blend of gasoline will break down after about 6 months to a year and varnish will appear on the container. Not much to do about that. If you have to store fuel, Propane, Diesel, or LNG are better choices. I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already! Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21468381 Canada 11/05/2012 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | say what ya want people, they are 'unlawful containers' and very dangerous. Quoting: thetrickybigguy How the fuck are they anymore dangerous than a plastic gas can? How? And don't tell me its because you can't pour the gas out of them. EVER HEARD OF A FUCKING FUNNEL? i didn't make the law, it just is WTF it is... nuff said. In emergencies, it used to be common to ignore stupid laws and exercise judgment. That's our role as humans. But this stupid zero-tolerance society has turned too many of us into drones, including you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That guy is stupid for using 5 gallon buckets to store gas. He shouldnt be arrested though. Gas taken from him until he can store it properly, but not arrested. Quoting: 284dan No where in the article does it say that he was going to "store it". He was bringing it back for his neighbors. If the authorities were on the "ball" & doing their job, then this man would not have had to resort to doing this. Also, why did not the cop give an escort to the man so he could deliver the gas safely. This sad story just highlights the insurmountable problems these people are facing, & the lacksadasical attitude of the authorities. Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't. A neighbor who was being a hero gets fined. People who were trying to help themselves get to go without gas. What a world we now live in. Makes me sick. And all the libtards want to do is bemoan the broken laws... FFS! Do you think that in a crisis situation well intentioned but clueless citizens should be allowed to drive bombs around? hmmm. not sure who you were replying to. But there many unanswered questions here. Why was proper gas cans not available at a discounted price at the gas stations? Why was the local gas stations not being topped up to keep the locals supplied? Why have the authorities let things get so bad, that residents are forced to take risky chances like this man did? Let point the blame where it belongs, on the useless authorities. |
stars User ID: 17867407 United States 11/05/2012 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 150 gallons of gas in paint cans? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23793796 That isn't hording, that is just plain stupid, the kind of stupid that gets people killed. That is dangerous, You cannot drive next to that or live next to that. In case of spill, and flame, there will be trouble.. Improperly stored gasonline shouldnt be allowed period, this is why we have laws. stars |
Sledster User ID: 982167 Germany 11/05/2012 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That guy is stupid for using 5 gallon buckets to store gas. He shouldnt be arrested though. Gas taken from him until he can store it properly, but not arrested. Quoting: 284dan No where in the article does it say that he was going to "store it". He was bringing it back for his neighbors. If the authorities were on the "ball" & doing their job, then this man would not have had to resort to doing this. Also, why did not the cop give an escort to the man so he could deliver the gas safely. This sad story just highlights the insurmountable problems these people are facing, & the lacksadasical attitude of the authorities. Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't. A neighbor who was being a hero gets fined. People who were trying to help themselves get to go without gas. What a world we now live in. Makes me sick. And all the libtards want to do is bemoan the broken laws... FFS! Do you think that in a crisis situation well intentioned but clueless citizens should be allowed to drive bombs around? That's exactly why stupid laws get onto the books in the first place. Liberal lawmakers wanting to "save" people from themselves. Can you say 32 oz Coke at 7/11? No? I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already! Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick. |
thetrickybigguy User ID: 27048813 United States 11/05/2012 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26692998 Prepping? How much gas have you stored in preparation? Just curious. have a barrel with 200 liters with gas and have 1500 liters diesel. i have food for 1 year at least. and after that i have a huge garden to grow shit. i am as prepared as can be. its what i do. people call me crazy... i know who is crazy and it aint me,,,,, shitheads when TSHTF they will be coming to take your shit cause YOU got a BIG mouth.... the real sheeps dont read glp!! They start to die from starvation and no facebook 3 days after shtf! the good thing in germany is, if you are armed you are king. in merica you face a million armed negroes and other sheep that want to steal your shit. have a nice day... WTF have people called you crazy? cause you have obviously run your mouth about your 'preps' have a nice day. Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~ Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~ Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~ Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poloi' in Greek meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~ “When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.” If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain. Winston Churchill |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8950 How the fuck are they anymore dangerous than a plastic gas can? How? And don't tell me its because you can't pour the gas out of them. EVER HEARD OF A FUCKING FUNNEL? i didn't make the law, it just is WTF it is... nuff said. In emergencies, it used to be common to ignore stupid laws and exercise judgment. That's our role as humans. But this stupid zero-tolerance society has turned too many of us into drones, including you. Amen to the above. On one hand they want people to take care of themselves & when they try to do this under dire circumstances, they are punished by the f........g laws. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States 11/05/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST I didnt say Fireplaces or OPEN anything, I said a woodburning stove which is contained . You do know what a woodburning stove is right? And of course fireplaces though are legal here. Its usually already built into homes but its no where near able to provide livable heat like a woodburning stove can. Heres a link to woodburning stoves from ACE hardware, practically sold in every city of the USA [link to www.acehardware.com] I was replying to your statement about children etc. Since cities have stict laws about wooodburning stoves, this makes it impossible for most average families or poorer families. I just spoke to my own city about this & if we live in condo's we cannot install a woodburning stove at all. Only private independent standing homes can "apply" for a permit & has to be inspected, & the fire dept. also have to be part of it. Plus, one's home insurance goes up. Again, with so much of big brother involved, it becomes financially impossible for most. Again, you think us Americans are moronic and stupid? Of course it has to be up to code !!!!!!!! youll burn your place down if it isnt !!!! And of course condos and apartments cant have a stove, duh ! But if one was to raise a family, of course youre expected to provide a real home for them. and boo hoo hoo, too many hurdles to save your families life if the heat went out. Boo hoo, cant save up money no, for something that could save your life, Cant walk down or make phone calls to make sure everythings good to go, yeah, too much trouble to make a fire, only heating elements and furnace from utility company can provide us like a baby and a teat, boo hoo, cry me a river. Wow...chill out Apollo. I was not intimating that Americans are stupid. You seem to be venting so I will drop the subject. Sorry if I offended you. Sorry bout that also, seemed like you were building up a mountain of excuses not to have a woodburning stove, or maybe that was my perception only.. I have other things going on and Im grumpy today, Im sorry. Peace.. |
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Blue Skies User ID: 19168576 United States 11/05/2012 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005 Good Luck If you do store some gas. Don't forget to put stabilizer in it :) What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? Stabilizer just helps you store gas for a longer period of time. Keeps it fresh. [link to www.alpharubicon.com] :kitten on fence: |
thetrickybigguy User ID: 27048813 United States 11/05/2012 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | say what ya want people, they are 'unlawful containers' and very dangerous. Quoting: thetrickybigguy How the fuck are they anymore dangerous than a plastic gas can? How? And don't tell me its because you can't pour the gas out of them. EVER HEARD OF A FUCKING FUNNEL? i didn't make the law, it just is WTF it is... nuff said. In emergencies, it used to be common to ignore stupid laws and exercise judgment. That's our role as humans. But this stupid zero-tolerance society has turned too many of us into drones, including you. you got me fucked up with somebody else cause i am so not even close to a drone but you made your point and i respect that. Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~ Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~ Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~ Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poloi' in Greek meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~ “When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.” If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain. Winston Churchill |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gasoline is a blend of refined oils designed to break down in a short period of time. Therefore it is not suitable for longterm storage. If you have the resources, setting up a propane system is more practicable. Lacking that try to setup your survival using non powered technology like that used by your grandparents. Where you have access to cheap fuel like wood or coal, the steam engine is the best choice for heating and power. Learn to process your own food for storage, dehydrate, pressure canning, vacuum packing. If you can only afford one thing then dry pack corn for longterm storage. Learn how to cook and bake with it. Of course clean water is a given for surviving more than a few days. Plan on moving away from high risk areas. One of the things I have noticed with many of the Sandy survivors is that they are just sitting around waiting for someone else to put their lives back in order. A community that is self sufficient does not need the government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005 Good Luck If you do store some gas. Don't forget to put stabilizer in it :) What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? Stabilizer just helps you store gas for a longer period of time. Keeps it fresh. [link to www.alpharubicon.com] tks for answering my question. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26936404 United States 11/05/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Search for the title before posting... I'm sure there will be several more of this post today and tomorrow. Quoting: Giftedest The man and gas station owner were arrested for using 5 gallon paint buckets. Look at the picture of 30 buckets stacked in the van with the lids coming off. It could be deadly to more than the van driver, k. I could give two shits about other threads, most good stories get lost forever here, so having the same topic posted more than once is the only way shit gets pinned that is important. And yeah, we know he broke the law, but it just shows you how fucking desperate these people are. And this bullshit about the lids expanding, that is complete bullshit, its all fucking plastic. My plastic gas cans don't expand do yours? the problem is transport. 150 gallons of gas in plastic buckets could torch a whole intersection and everyone in it. A better solution would have been to use 3 or 4 industrial steel 55 gallon drums. Pumps are available cheaply from Harbor freight. They would easily go in a PU truck or van, though an SUV is more difficult. I have modified 5 gallon plastic "approved" containers to vent safely, as I won't stand for the stupid EPA trying to violate the laws of physics. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26966978 United States 11/05/2012 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the great US of A, you get arrested for trying to help out your neighbors. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8950 The state doesn't want you to think or act on your own, therefore you are arrested for circumventing the states "disaster" recovery aparatus. Imagine what 5 gallons of gas would have done to help all those people surive a little longer. Disgusting: [link to www.nbcconnecticut.com] Police arrested a 47-year-old New York man accused of filling up 30 five-gallon Home Depot buckets with gasoline on Saturday night. According to investigators, Yunus Latif, of Richmond Hill, collected money from his neighbors, bought gas at a Valero station almost 80 miles away in Orange and planned to bring it back to his neighborhood, where they had no power and gas. Too much gas to travel like that they way they are contained. Good heart & good idea, bad execution. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7554855 Canada 11/05/2012 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7554855 I was replying to your statement about children etc. Since cities have stict laws about wooodburning stoves, this makes it impossible for most average families or poorer families. I just spoke to my own city about this & if we live in condo's we cannot install a woodburning stove at all. Only private independent standing homes can "apply" for a permit & has to be inspected, & the fire dept. also have to be part of it. Plus, one's home insurance goes up. Again, with so much of big brother involved, it becomes financially impossible for most. Again, you think us Americans are moronic and stupid? Of course it has to be up to code !!!!!!!! youll burn your place down if it isnt !!!! And of course condos and apartments cant have a stove, duh ! But if one was to raise a family, of course youre expected to provide a real home for them. and boo hoo hoo, too many hurdles to save your families life if the heat went out. Boo hoo, cant save up money no, for something that could save your life, Cant walk down or make phone calls to make sure everythings good to go, yeah, too much trouble to make a fire, only heating elements and furnace from utility company can provide us like a baby and a teat, boo hoo, cry me a river. Wow...chill out Apollo. I was not intimating that Americans are stupid. You seem to be venting so I will drop the subject. Sorry if I offended you. Sorry bout that also, seemed like you were building up a mountain of excuses not to have a woodburning stove, or maybe that was my perception only.. I have other things going on and Im grumpy today, Im sorry. Peace.. No worries, I know you are not normally grumpy. Unfortunately I live in a condo, & I can't have a woodburning stove. Wish I could move to the country & have one. Its what I grew up with. But home sales have come to a halt & that keeps me stuck in cityville for now. I hope the energies clear up for you soon Apollo. Be well. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27058084 United States 11/05/2012 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is a stabiliser? Will it stop the expansion of the gas, while being stored? Gasoline is a liquid, liquids neither compress nor expand (thermal expansion coefficient is VERY low) due to temperature changes. A stabilizer is a product that when added to fuel will allow a longer term of storage prior to the fuel breaking down. One has nothing to do with the other. This past summer, I purchased 2 small plastic gas cans & filled them with gasoline. I stored outside by a hedge & covered them lightly with a tarp. After a few months went by I went to check on them & they were both swollen. I opened the caps slowly to release the gases & dumped the gasoline into my car. So lesson learned. How the can we store gasoline safely with this happening. I think it would have taken less than a few months for this guy to drive back to the city and deliver the desperately needed fuel. |
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