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Canadians... is this true about your healthcare?

 
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I honestly believe if we stopped having wars and implemented some cost-cutting procedures, we could insure our uninsured and improve our current healthcare system without throwing the whole thing to the wind.
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EXACTLY.

I more or less avoid political arguments on the 'net because people are so left-right polarized right now they can't even think straight. There is a third option, which many people are coming to know, which is recognizing the real problem is all government, not just one party or the other.

Do I think we, as a society, should provide free healthcare and education for everyone? ABSOLUTELY. Do I think Obamacare is the answer? No way in hell. If we removed all foreign presence save for a few strategic locations (there are still threats in this world), and streamlined the ridiculous number of government agencies down to a few effective ones, we could do both AND eliminate all but the slightest amount of taxes. Obama and Romney both offer no solution to that and nothing but extension of over-reaching government.

Remember, these people are only out for themselves and will do anything to protect their lifestyle.
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So Please explain to me WHY healthcare should be FREE?

Should food and shelter also be free?

THere is no free lunch, especially when the government is giving it out, you can be sure their other hand is in your back pocket.
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You misunderstand. I am suggesting government shrink to a point where it could easily afford these things by NOT providing housing subsidies, food stamps, or fighting wars and taxing and regulating everything in sight. A government scaled down to a streamlined state could EASILY afford to provide basic services without ever needing to hit our pocketbooks for anything. Basic health and education of the people, along with maintaining basic sense of order, is something a good government should be concerned with. Outside of those basic functions, however, it would have no place in commerce, allowing free enterprise to still run itself without the same level of interference it currently experiences.

I understand how you came to that conclusion, but understand....I detest socialism and dislike certain aspects of capitalism. I think it's time we re-evaluate a few things and take a look at how a republic and central government should be run in this day and age. Truthfully, I think the founding fathers probably had it right and human nature and greed has led it all very astray at our expense.
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This is EXACTLY what you can expect OP...a lot of Canadian hospital have "waiting suites"...something that does not exist in the US...more or less a hospital room where they chuck your almost dead ass while you "wait" to get treated. There are few to little MRI machines, little to none for more advanced scanners, little to none on most advanced medical equiptment and processes because the entire system is not only depressed, it's over loaded. SO the waiting times to get a non life threatening operation is very long...so if you blew that knee apart and can't walk?...have a good time cruising around on crutches for several months...if you can...
 Quoting: SHR


Where exactly do you get this information? Because the reality that I witness with my own eyes on a regular basis is in direct opposition to almost the entirety of your post.
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I dont know what province you live in but if you visit any major urban hospital in Alberta you will see the ER is CHOKED with persons on stretchers and with paramedics who must wait with these patients until the ER Doc takes over care.

Its ridiculous. Due to rationing there are not enough family docs, chronic care beds, or hospitals. The government thinks the best way to reduce costs is to reduce hospitals and docs. currently up to 50% of provincial budgets are spent on health and the governments are broke. Even ALberta is struggling with billions in deficit spending.

One genius government in Alberta actually imploded one of the largest hospitals in Canada creating a critical shortage of beds in Calgary that hasn't been fixed to this day

THe provincial governments are generally hostile to health providers and are in endless negotiations with them to limit salaries and benefits. They also strictly limit competition to the public system.
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4 months sounds pretty short for Canada, it's more like 8-18 months, and that's when you're lucky enough to find a doctor first.
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11/05/2012 11:46 AM
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The good docs go to the states.

I don't like Canadian health care, but I don't like health care in general.

Eat organic, take your non-petrochemical based vitamins, go out in the sun, do a hard days work, get off the couch, mediatate and just take care of yourself.

Wait times for somethings are ridiculous. My child has allergies and we had to wait over a year and a half to see the allergist.

I just read as much as I can about natural health and do everything in house now.
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No, our medical system is not perfect. As stated by some, certain medical procedures can have long wait times if it is not life threatening. If you have say a heart attack though you can receive very fast care. My father-in-law had a heartattact, now we do have an old hospital as this is a small community, but they have enough to get him stabalized. Within a few hours they had a plane at the local airport and he was flown to a much larger hospital where he was given a stint for his heart. He was home a day or so later, feeling much better then he had is years. Cost, he had to pay on a later date the air ambulance bill. If he was low income they would also have been payed for.
So while we may not have a perfect system, at least if we are sick we do not need to ransom the rest of our lives to paying off the hospital. Anyone not happy with the speed of the system can alway get the what they want and pay for it themselves just like they would have to if lived in the US, but at least if they are poor they can still get it here, even if they have to wait. How many poor people can say that there.
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Canadians are fed lies about the US system too

Medicare covers the poor.

In fact the hospital I work at (a major cancer center) only collects about 30% of its billings. We treat many patients who cannot pay. Health providers are in general generous ethical people. Most do not want to be government employees.
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

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that is BS

in my 42 years of living I've never waited 22 hours in waiting room...NOR has anyone else I know or met.
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This is EXACTLY what you can expect OP...a lot of Canadian hospital have "waiting suites"...something that does not exist in the US...more or less a hospital room where they chuck your almost dead ass while you "wait" to get treated. There are few to little MRI machines, little to none for more advanced scanners, little to none on most advanced medical equiptment and processes because the entire system is not only depressed, it's over loaded. SO the waiting times to get a non life threatening operation is very long...so if you blew that knee apart and can't walk?...have a good time cruising around on crutches for several months...if you can...
 Quoting: SHR


Where exactly do you get this information? Because the reality that I witness with my own eyes on a regular basis is in direct opposition to almost the entirety of your post.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6630717


I dont know what province you live in but if you visit any major urban hospital in Alberta you will see the ER is CHOKED with persons on stretchers and with paramedics who must wait with these patients until the ER Doc takes over care.

Its ridiculous. Due to rationing there are not enough family docs, chronic care beds, or hospitals. The government thinks the best way to reduce costs is to reduce hospitals and docs. currently up to 50% of provincial budgets are spent on health and the governments are broke. Even ALberta is struggling with billions in deficit spending.

One genius government in Alberta actually imploded one of the largest hospitals in Canada creating a critical shortage of beds in Calgary that hasn't been fixed to this day

THe provincial governments are generally hostile to health providers and are in endless negotiations with them to limit salaries and benefits. They also strictly limit competition to the public system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2330341


I'm in Ontario and while we do have areas (mostly rural and far north) underserved by family doctors, ER is not an issue. The post I replied to stated a lack of equipment and scanners - something that is totally false in my area. Sure, hospitals in norther communities and rural areas are not cutting edge but they're serving tiny populations. Longest I ever waited for ER was 1.5 hours and that was because it was minor. Even then, I saw a nurse within 5 minutes to ensure it did not need immediate attention. Having said that, I've heard from friends and coworkers of multiple hour waits to get care depending on the hospital but serious emergencies always take priority and will push those non serious issues down the list further.
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

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that is BS

in my 42 years of living I've never waited 22 hours in waiting room...NOR has anyone else I know or met.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


Your BS my dad waited 36 hours and he had a heart issue.

I waited 4 days in an ER with a bowel obstruction

I've had 14 operations in this country, I know how bad it is. You stupid Canadians who go to a hospital for a cut finger every 5 years have no idea. You all make me sick
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

You can wait years to fix non-life threatening conditions like angina and crippling hip arthritis

Currently most wealthy canadians come to the US to get top-notch and rapid care.

When the government takes over as single payer the following happens

1. Rationing of services
2. removal of competition
3. Unionization of the allied health personnel
4. Loss of innovation
5. Politicization of system
6. Increased costs and loss of services
7 loss of choice
8. intimidation of physicians and whistle blowers who stand up for patients


I know this, I am (was) a Canadian Physician and I am very happy to be practising in the USA. The physicians here have a voice and can bring the services their patient need without having to beg and plead with retarded socialist government health "managers"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2330341


There's a whole lot of BS in this post, I don't even know where to begin. Canadian physician my ass. Here's a tip for next time, try not to be so over the top with your exaggeration - you'll get more bites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6630717


BS indeed! I have never waited to see my family doctor more than 30 minutes or in ER more than 3,5 hours. They take first those with serious conditions or after accidents. Always had a good care in hospitals and post-op care with nurses visiting my home, sometimes twice daily and with free supplies. Maybe I am the lucky one... LOL...

BTW, if your condition is serious they will operate on you right away. And everything is free of charge. Hence, if you don't have work or private benefits, you have to pay for your medications and dental.

But... I do not think that Americans will get the same free medical care like Canadians do. Not with Obama plan... Besides, where is he going to get the money for it?!
“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.” - Dr. Seuss
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11/05/2012 11:58 AM
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Canada is moving into a heavily subsidized public/private clinic system.. you must pay a base premium. When you go to most doctors and clinics now they have a checklist to rate how bad you need service. If you answer wrong you get moved down the list.
If you need an MRI you have to go through the checklist of procedures, a bill is produced for each stage. Then you can go to the next profitable level for the Public/private system that is now developing.
Administrative cost and CEO wages have gone through the roof accounting for most if not all of the cost increases. We have all the money in the world for equipment, and Administration.

I know tons of people who's coverage is below the upper social tiers access levels. You managed to find a Doctor outside of the walk in clinics...

even the Doctors have a checklist now... wrong answer you get moved to the back of the line.

Here... the 1 key correct answer is that you have major pain and it is unbearable... then they will move you forward...
Your medical record's are now government/state property, with sales right to the medical information granted to private companies.
they even have a fee schedual for the companies for producing these records.
price's for a single record, to prices for thousands of records. You no longer own your medical information the Nannie state does and can sell it at a profit to whoever it decides for whatever use the purchaser decides.

Everything is billed in 15 min time blocks.
the clinics that act as street level access hire fresh out of school meat, make it easy to do formula medical care and proscribe the "correct" "Pharma drugs".

Here you can buy access, bypass the system, and use Public facilities and bump the public line for publicly paid for equipment and facilities.

beware who makes the profit on a public system.
The medical suppliers here now have publicly guaranteed profits with no real limits on profits.

They also have the benefit of access to publicly paid for facilities without the liability of funding them.

on the other side people figure they have a right to see a doctors for every little sniffle(get a Publicly paid for Flu shot right now), scratch (a shot), Tired (a Vitamin shot)......plus the doctors visit,etc,etc,etc...
Now who pays for all this and how. Do some compound interest work on the numbers to see when it blows up (How many Years)... and it will, I guarantee it.

The medical service level from the 80's here has gone to shit... the profits(cost increases) have not gone to the public/private system here. They do not go back into the care system, instead they line the corporate profit margin's. No benefit increase in the quality of service...

Just formula check lists... maxing out the cost to the system.

And I'm a died in the wool Commie by the way. But I look after my own health as much as possible now. Fuck the public and private nannie state assholes.

The moment you take any tax break, or any money from the Public/Government you are a publicly socialized Welfare bum.
Period.

I don't give a shit whether you claim you are a socialist or a conservative.
You expect someone else to pay for your sense of entitlement and rights.

Beware of what you ask for. You just might get it.

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Many times when you hear some horror story about waiting for surgery or whatnot there is something else going on. People failing to get a second opinion ranks high up there. People with a good family doctor seldom have complaints. People who stroll into medi-centers without an appointment because of the sniffles in a poor part of town well.... wait, with all the other people who have the sniffles.

If I need a refill on my prescription I go to the guy who burns through prescription pads like crazy.
If I want a good medical assessment or physical I make an appointment and see my family doctor.
If I'm bleeding profusely I'll hit any hospital in reach.
If something ain't right I'll spend an extra few minutes traveling to the hospital on the outskirts of town, the one not full of people bleeding profusely.

Some things are like everything else in life. Either you get me or you don't.
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Put it this way... I recently splitt head open and was diagnosed with a mild concussion. Sure I had to wait, but in 5 hours I got staples, tetanus shot, a CT scan and a discussion with a specialist. Thankfully there was no brain damage, and all I had to pay for was parking.

If I were in the states I probably would have stayed home, my cut would get infected and I'd never know the full consequences of the damage.
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4 months sounds pretty short for Canada, it's more like 8-18 months, and that's when you're lucky enough to find a doctor first.
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Where do you live? I waited 2 weeks for ultrasound and one month for MRI. Both were not emergency tests.
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

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that is BS

in my 42 years of living I've never waited 22 hours in waiting room...NOR has anyone else I know or met.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23367695


Your BS my dad waited 36 hours and he had a heart issue.

I waited 4 days in an ER with a bowel obstruction

I've had 14 operations in this country, I know how bad it is. You stupid Canadians who go to a hospital for a cut finger every 5 years have no idea. You all make me sick
bird
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Canadians are fed continuous BS about how wonderful their health system is.

In my opinion its a complete disaster, especially in Alberta. I worked in it for 18 years and seen it go from a great one payer private supplier system into a centrally planned, communist style disaster.
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

You can wait years to fix non-life threatening conditions like angina and crippling hip arthritis

Currently most wealthy canadians come to the US to get top-notch and rapid care.

When the government takes over as single payer the following happens

1. Rationing of services
2. removal of competition
3. Unionization of the allied health personnel
4. Loss of innovation
5. Politicization of system
6. Increased costs and loss of services
7 loss of choice
8. intimidation of physicians and whistle blowers who stand up for patients


I know this, I am (was) a Canadian Physician and I am very happy to be practising in the USA. The physicians here have a voice and can bring the services their patient need without having to beg and plead with retarded socialist government health "managers"
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You are one of the problems Canadian health system have. Doctors running away to USA to get richer. You got your medical diploma in Canada but abandoned this country for America to have more $$$ on your bank account.
“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.” - Dr. Seuss
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Are there any age cut-offs on certain procedures? (i.e. will they give you a pacemaker at age 90 for instance or heart surgery at age 80?) Also, the woman in the ad claimed her doctor told her she would die if she had to wait 4 months, so I don't know why there is a problem with re-imbursement by the Canadian gov't. I have to go out, but I will check back. Thanks.
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mother-in-law was 86 when she got the pace maker
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

You can wait years to fix non-life threatening conditions like angina and crippling hip arthritis

Currently most wealthy canadians come to the US to get top-notch and rapid care.

When the government takes over as single payer the following happens

1. Rationing of services
2. removal of competition
3. Unionization of the allied health personnel
4. Loss of innovation
5. Politicization of system
6. Increased costs and loss of services
7 loss of choice
8. intimidation of physicians and whistle blowers who stand up for patients


I know this, I am (was) a Canadian Physician and I am very happy to be practising in the USA. The physicians here have a voice and can bring the services their patient need without having to beg and plead with retarded socialist government health "managers"
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LOL you don't know shit, Doctor Shill

"22 hrs in emergency"
Why didn't you put your golf clubs down and go help?

OP Canadians don't worry about health care, it's costs and availability. How many Canadians have you heard of the lost everything because they were driven into bankruptcy because of medical bills?
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when I broke both my wrists in Mexico Dec. 2011
when I got back I went to er and in less than 3 hrs. I had both wrists
exrayed, had casts put on and was back home.

I don't know anyone who has waited 22 hrs.
Maybe it was just a really bad day for the person
who did have to wait.
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Sometimes there are waits for certain procedures, yes.

But here is the major difference. The insurance industry in the US is set up to make a profit. They do that (obviously) by collecting more than they pay out. That means many people

a) can not afford health insurance

b) don't get benefits because insurance companies work hard to make sure they pay out as little as possible.

The cost of insurance makes your medical system one of the most expensive (if not the most expensive) in the world, and leaves many, many millions unable to afford preventative care. I can see my doctor regularly and so have a chance to deal with things early, long before they become a problem. If I have a critical situation, I receive immediate care - not based on what I can afford, but based on the best available care.

We are working hard in Canada to come up with innovative ways to reduce wait-times, and to provide the best service we can to all Canadians. There was an article in HuffPo about the most prosperous nations today, and they all - without exception -- are countries with a strong social safety net.

Obamacare strikes me as somewhere in the middle between privatization and not-for-profit insurance. But it's better than what you had, where the whole point was to make money -- and lots of it -- and the health of Americans be damned. I think you will be better off.

My 2 cents. Of course, your mileage may vary.

:-)
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I go along with that also. Your current system is for the benefit of the drug companies and big bussiness and making money. Change it. Obama care looks like a good start. We modified ours as we went along.

You guys need a third party system to go with changed health care. More parties means more scrutiny of other party's. You need to vote third party green party to get a third party system happening. They don't need to win this election but enough votes will create a third party. This may be your last chance for change and ever getting another party into Washinton. This may very well be your last Election. They are both the same thing really.
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our system isn't perfect. there are waits, but I personally haven't had many problems. but I'm 25 and healthy..healthcare is free for me because I'm a student and I don't make much money. I would have to pay a monthly premium of about 60 bucks if I was making over 30,000/year.
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our doctors keep moving away to the US because of the difference in salaries.

happens with careers which require degrees of any kind.

we call it The Brain Drain

so i don't think you guys will have anything to worry about

but i will vouch for this lady, i've waiting nearly a year for a CAT-scan on my back, and a friend of mine had what was obviously a life threatening illness has been waiting for almost two years for his tests.
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

You can wait years to fix non-life threatening conditions like angina and crippling hip arthritis

Currently most wealthy canadians come to the US to get top-notch and rapid care.

When the government takes over as single payer the following happens

1. Rationing of services
2. removal of competition
3. Unionization of the allied health personnel
4. Loss of innovation
5. Politicization of system
6. Increased costs and loss of services
7 loss of choice
8. intimidation of physicians and whistle blowers who stand up for patients


I know this, I am (was) a Canadian Physician and I am very happy to be practising in the USA. The physicians here have a voice and can bring the services their patient need without having to beg and plead with retarded socialist government health "managers"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2330341


LOL you don't know shit, Doctor Shill

"22 hrs in emergency"
Why didn't you put your golf clubs down and go help?

OP Canadians don't worry about health care, it's costs and availability. How many Canadians have you heard of the lost everything because they were driven into bankruptcy because of medical bills?
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It doesn't matter what you think. I speak the truth.

I unfortunately had to live it.
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our system isn't perfect. there are waits, but I personally haven't had many problems. but I'm 25 and healthy..healthcare is free for me because I'm a student and I don't make much money. I would have to pay a monthly premium of about 60 bucks if I was making over 30,000/year.
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it appears to be "free" but 50% of your tax supports it
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

You can wait years to fix non-life threatening conditions like angina and crippling hip arthritis

Currently most wealthy canadians come to the US to get top-notch and rapid care.

When the government takes over as single payer the following happens

1. Rationing of services
2. removal of competition
3. Unionization of the allied health personnel
4. Loss of innovation
5. Politicization of system
6. Increased costs and loss of services
7 loss of choice
8. intimidation of physicians and whistle blowers who stand up for patients


I know this, I am (was) a Canadian Physician and I am very happy to be practising in the USA. The physicians here have a voice and can bring the services their patient need without having to beg and plead with retarded socialist government health "managers"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2330341


LOL you don't know shit, Doctor Shill

"22 hrs in emergency"
Why didn't you put your golf clubs down and go help?

OP Canadians don't worry about health care, it's costs and availability. How many Canadians have you heard of the lost everything because they were driven into bankruptcy because of medical bills?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26281584


Exactly, good post! This doctor may not be about the Hippocratic Oath but about hypocrisy. LOL

I am originally from Europe. Had two choices, either USA or Canada. Choose the second one and I am very happy and proud to be Canadian. Learned the language, got my second education, work and pay taxes here. And I thank God for our free medical care system.

Just few months ago I posted on yahoo asking those who were living in both countries America and Canada, which country they would choose (thumbs up and down) if they have a choice? There was many replays and besides just one all of them voted for Canada. And the one who didn;t wrote that he is moving to Florida because of lower taxes.

When it comes to American "free" Obama health care it won't be free at all because Americans will have to pay for it and that means higher taxes. The only Americans who will actually benefit from it are those ones who are on food stamps.
“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.” - Dr. Seuss
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Thanks for the reply, but could the patient not have gone to an area of Canada that had the right doctors or would there still be a long wait? In the US, a patient like her could have immediate surgery under our current system. I am so worried about Obamacare. We have millions more citizens than Canada and I envision a bureauocratic healthcare nightmare. They definitely are not telling us the full implications of Obamacare and people are going to be shocked and angry. But it will be too late to turn back.
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The point is not so much that the doctors weren't available it is more to the point that this case was not deemed to be urgent. Therefore there was a wait. It is the same as if you go into an emergency room here, the person who has been stabbed and is bleeding to death is going to be seen before the person who has come in with the sniffles. In the states Mr./Mrs. sniffles may verywell get priority if thier insurance is better than Mr/Mrs bleeders.
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If the condition is life threatening and a doctor isn't locally available they will send you to another location or abroad and reimburse the doctor.

The woman you reference from your story attempted to get reimbursed but her doctors insist that it was not a life threatening condition. She was not pre-approved for care when she chose to go to the US and get treatment. Therefore, she was not eligible for reimbursement.
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Yes blindness is night life threatening, good one.
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THe Canadian Health System is a disaster.

You can wait up to 22 hrs in emergency or longer to see a physician

You can wait years to fix non-life threatening conditions like angina and crippling hip arthritis

Currently most wealthy canadians come to the US to get top-notch and rapid care.

When the government takes over as single payer the following happens

1. Rationing of services
2. removal of competition
3. Unionization of the allied health personnel
4. Loss of innovation
5. Politicization of system
6. Increased costs and loss of services
7 loss of choice
8. intimidation of physicians and whistle blowers who stand up for patients


I know this, I am (was) a Canadian Physician and I am very happy to be practising in the USA. The physicians here have a voice and can bring the services their patient need without having to beg and plead with retarded socialist government health "managers"
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Agreed, for you coming from a socialist european culture, Canada will certainly be more comfortable.

Some canadian doctors (like GPS still have autonomy) wheras others like Lab Physicians end up working for the government or in big government supported factory labs.

The Canadian system is certainly not "FREE" its supported nby tax and every provincial jurisdiction is struggling with its unsustainability





LOL you don't know shit, Doctor Shill

"22 hrs in emergency"
Why didn't you put your golf clubs down and go help?

OP Canadians don't worry about health care, it's costs and availability. How many Canadians have you heard of the lost everything because they were driven into bankruptcy because of medical bills?
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Exactly, good post! This doctor may not be about the Hippocratic Oath but about hypocrisy. LOL

I am originally from Europe. Had two choices, either USA or Canada. Choose the second one and I am very happy and proud to be Canadian. Learned the language, got my second education, work and pay taxes here. And I thank God for our free medical care system.

Just few months ago I posted on yahoo asking those who were living in both countries America and Canada, which country they would choose (thumbs up and down) if they have a choice? There was many replays and besides just one all of them voted for Canada. And the one who didn;t wrote that he is moving to Florida because of lower taxes.

When it comes to American "free" Obama health care it won't be free at all because Americans will have to pay for it and that means higher taxes. The only Americans who will actually benefit from it are those ones who are on food stamps.
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I know this, I am (was) a Canadian Physician and I am very happy to be practising in the USA. The physicians here have a voice and can bring the services their patient need without having to beg and plead with retarded socialist government health "managers"
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I call bsflag A doctor would know hwo to spell practicing
not to mention in the States you wouldn't have to deal with a 'retarded socialist gov't" you would have to deal a retarded insurance adjuster. Same same, if not worse cause the insurance looser is trying to save the company money where as gov'ts never have a problem spending the public money.
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The waiting in Canada can be very very very very long, i did wait 2 year to a nuclear radiologie.

Since people do no pay we do not realize how many worker in the healthcare system abuse that system.

Example: i go see the doctor , i wait 6 hours sit in a room then i finally see him , he pass 15 minute with me then send me back home.

How much does it cost? i have absolute no idea, but a friend of mine did some research and that little 15 minute with a doctor could go as high at 15 000$ and no one will ever notice.

Remember the story of a Australian u got his baby in Canada then received a invoice of 1 million dollar, us Canadian have absolute no idea how much it cost and we still think, things goes wrong cause we do not have enough money.


Let see how thing are important for us:


School Teacher: 25$/Hours
Doctor: 35$/Hours
Judge: 40$/Hours
Prostitute: 100$/Hours
Hockey Player: 10 000$/Hours

This is how thing work in Canada and i am sure not too far from the U.S. except Doctor that are able to put plastic inside our body will be pay a lot more.
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bsflag

plain and simple. My wife is a new canadian perm res from Mexico, I took her to the emrgency for an ear infection. A few month later we got a bill total $126 because it was "after hours" care and $50 "non payment" fee. (long story but there was screw up with alberta health and some computers going down earlier in the year.
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If the condition is life threatening and a doctor isn't locally available they will send you to another location or abroad and reimburse the doctor.

The woman you reference from your story attempted to get reimbursed but her doctors insist that it was not a life threatening condition. She was not pre-approved for care when she chose to go to the US and get treatment. Therefore, she was not eligible for reimbursement.
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Yeah because being frikkin' BLIND is a real picnic....

This is EXACTLY what you can expect OP...a lot of Canadian hospital have "waiting suites"...something that does not exist in the US...more or less a hospital room where they chuck your almost dead ass while you "wait" to get treated. There are few to little MRI machines, little to none for more advanced scanners, little to none on most advanced medical equiptment and processes because the entire system is not only depressed, it's over loaded. SO the waiting times to get a non life threatening operation is very long...so if you blew that knee apart and can't walk?...have a good time cruising around on crutches for several months...if you can...

Canaduh also has less people living in the entire massive country than California...

So you can use your imagination to get a picture of just how great a similar system will operate here...once we pile in all the "uninsured" which by many estimates is also larger than the entire population of Canada...

ZOMFG but we're PAYING for them!!!...so the solution is...uuummm..let's PAY for them!...fuckin brilliant...Oh and while we're at it?...let's create 10,000 new regulations that a medical Svengali can not figure out to make that "easier"...
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FYI waiting suites are for greaving family in an emergency case.