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Canadians... is this true about your healthcare?

 
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11/05/2012 07:34 PM
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Obamacare is a copy of Canadacare.
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Obamacare is a copy of Canadacare.
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in other words, it stands for We (as the gov) don't care.
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I posted this over a month ago and no one read it. Now people are all omg at this thread? What the fuck ever!

Thread: Please Read - Healthcare Canada and Diverticulitis
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I posted this over a month ago and no one read it. Now people are all omg at this thread? What the fuck ever!

Thread: Please Read - Healthcare Canada and Diverticulitis
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11/05/2012 07:40 PM
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Re: Canadians... is this true about your healthcare?
Each province has it's own care, it's easy to look up by province. If I'm traveling to another province it still costs me nothing to pay out (we're taxed high though, so it's NOT FREE!), that province just bills the province I live in for my care. That's why we all carry our own health cards that have numbers.

All you do is is put in the province name + health care to find information. To me this is what the states need to do.

Google Alberta health care, this comes up:

[link to www.health.alberta.ca]

Saskatchewan health care:


[link to www.health.gov.sk.ca]

Manitoba health Care:

[link to www.gov.mb.ca]

[link to www.health.gov.on.ca]

We All have our own unique care and WAIT times etc....


That's closer to Romney proposed in his state.
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11/05/2012 07:43 PM
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The commercial you saw played with a few of the facts, she did not have a brain tumor, she had a benign cyst, although a serious thing it was not life threatening, she actually cancelled an appointment here and opted to go to the US, her choice.

There are a lot of fallacies in this thread. The one person said 15000 charged by the Doctor, umm thats a big no, I used to do the billing for what was then called ohip, for each action the Dr did, there was a fee he/she could charge. For example they could charge for the visit, an exam, a script and so on, but even a surgical procedure was not 15000. Actually I think you would be surprised how little some of the charges were.

The person saying they were a Dr, here, sure you were.

Canadian health care is not free, we pay for it with our taxes, if you took my share of health care off my taxes it would probably not cover what an insurance company would charge, I would pay more.

Sometimes yes there are waits in the ER, but that is mainly because silly people go there and fill the waiting rooms with colds, ER stands for Emergency , if you have noticed those ads on tv lately saying so and so had a rash he had a choice of going to a clinic or a nurse practitioner. They are trying to show people you don't always need to go to the ER.

Canadian health care is not perfect, nor is the American system, BOTH have their flaws, there are horror stories from both countries. But I suppose if you see it as Capitalist or Socialist, you have already made up your mind. Now a person with common sense would see good and bad to both systems.
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The commercial you saw played with a few of the facts, she did not have a brain tumor, she had a benign cyst, although a serious thing it was not life threatening, she actually cancelled an appointment here and opted to go to the US, her choice.

There are a lot of fallacies in this thread. The one person said 15000 charged by the Doctor, umm thats a big no, I used to do the billing for what was then called ohip, for each action the Dr did, there was a fee he/she could charge. For example they could charge for the visit, an exam, a script and so on, but even a surgical procedure was not 15000. Actually I think you would be surprised how little some of the charges were.

The person saying they were a Dr, here, sure you were.

Canadian health care is not free, we pay for it with our taxes, if you took my share of health care off my taxes it would probably not cover what an insurance company would charge, I would pay more.

Sometimes yes there are waits in the ER, but that is mainly because silly people go there and fill the waiting rooms with colds, ER stands for Emergency , if you have noticed those ads on tv lately saying so and so had a rash he had a choice of going to a clinic or a nurse practitioner. They are trying to show people you don't always need to go to the ER.

Canadian health care is not perfect, nor is the American system, BOTH have their flaws, there are horror stories from both countries. But I suppose if you see it as Capitalist or Socialist, you have already made up your mind. Now a person with common sense would see good and bad to both systems.
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Well done, I agree, you said it well. Canadians do LIVE longer then American's, that say's we're not doing to bad as well in the end game which counts big time.
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11/05/2012 08:02 PM
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I had a cyst removed and it took only a week to do the surgery. By the way there is no such thing as free health care. We pay harmonized sales tax of 15%. For every hundred I make, 15 of it goes to taxes. Not to mention, the money that comes off my check. Even my household bills are taxed.
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I had a cyst removed and it took only a week to do the surgery. By the way there is no such thing as free health care. We pay harmonized sales tax of 15%. For every hundred I make, 15 of it goes to taxes. Not to mention, the money that comes off my check. Even my household bills are taxed.
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I'm curious to the amount American's pay monthly for insurance premiums on average.
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11/05/2012 08:15 PM
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BTW, if health insurance forms are like life insurance forms to fill out, I hate that. So many fricken questions!!!!!! hiding
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11/05/2012 08:17 PM
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I had a cyst removed and it took only a week to do the surgery. By the way there is no such thing as free health care. We pay harmonized sales tax of 15%. For every hundred I make, 15 of it goes to taxes. Not to mention, the money that comes off my check. Even my household bills are taxed.
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I'm curious to the amount American's pay monthly for insurance premiums on average.
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My cousin is paying just over $500 per month in Minneapolis.
She is 57.
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I had a cyst removed and it took only a week to do the surgery. By the way there is no such thing as free health care. We pay harmonized sales tax of 15%. For every hundred I make, 15 of it goes to taxes. Not to mention, the money that comes off my check. Even my household bills are taxed.
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I'm curious to the amount American's pay monthly for insurance premiums on average.
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My cousin is paying just over $500 per month in Minneapolis.
She is 57.
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11/05/2012 08:21 PM
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Obamacare is a copy of Romneycare. Obama said so himself
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11/05/2012 08:26 PM
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Problem is getting in the system, once your in your fine. If your problem is not urgent you gonna wait, wait very long. Waiting the ER for over 24 hours ? Hell yeah.
There is no Nibiru, only Zuul.
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11/05/2012 08:55 PM
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I live in Pennsylvania and last night a political ad came on the TV with a Canadian woman. She had a brain related eye condition that had caused partial blindness and needed urgent surgery to save her vision and her life. She was told there would be a 4 month wait in Canada so she came to the US for her care because she fortunately had the resources. She said that we in the US need to be informed that under Obamacare we will have the same kind of healthcare crises due to long waits. very disturbing. I realize this was a potical ad, but I have always felt that Obamacare would mean rationing and long wait times. What do you say? I say we need to fix the US healthcare system without putting the gov't in control or scenarios like this are likely!
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Yes wait times is a must... you have access to a lot of health care... but special thing like this eye surgery yes you have to wait..

That said... I am not for Obama Care or Privet Health care...

in real sense it needs to somewhere in the middle...

where people pay for things they can afford.. or sell better products and give the patient a choice..

For example - if you break your arm in the US you have to go to the hospital and you insurance pays for most things except your co-pay if you have one... that you agreed to before...

Here you don;t pay for anything you can go get a cast plaster for your arm or you can pay for a better cast and get a fiberglass cast... both will heal the same one is for comfort and the other is for savings..

If you break a leg you have to pay for things like crutches and for a boot... the other thing you have to pay for is things like casts or slings and so on...

that said those are not a whole lot and people can cover that kind of thing...

The biggest problem with our health care is not its setup but because of the privet health care in the US they take our Doctors and Nurses from us... paying them twice or three times the amount they can make here in Canada...

This is the famous brain Drain that has happen since the 70s
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11/05/2012 09:32 PM
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I live in Pennsylvania and last night a political ad came on the TV with a Canadian woman. She had a brain related eye condition that had caused partial blindness and needed urgent surgery to save her vision and her life. She was told there would be a 4 month wait in Canada so she came to the US for her care because she fortunately had the resources. She said that we in the US need to be informed that under Obamacare we will have the same kind of healthcare crises due to long waits. very disturbing. I realize this was a potical ad, but I have always felt that Obamacare would mean rationing and long wait times. What do you say? I say we need to fix the US healthcare system without putting the gov't in control or scenarios like this are likely!
 Quoting: worried 10398131


Yes wait times is a must... you have access to a lot of health care... but special thing like this eye surgery yes you have to wait..

That said... I am not for Obama Care or Privet Health care...

in real sense it needs to somewhere in the middle...

where people pay for things they can afford.. or sell better products and give the patient a choice..

For example - if you break your arm in the US you have to go to the hospital and you insurance pays for most things except your co-pay if you have one... that you agreed to before...

Here you don;t pay for anything you can go get a cast plaster for your arm or you can pay for a better cast and get a fiberglass cast... both will heal the same one is for comfort and the other is for savings..

If you break a leg you have to pay for things like crutches and for a boot... the other thing you have to pay for is things like casts or slings and so on...

that said those are not a whole lot and people can cover that kind of thing...

The biggest problem with our health care is not its setup but because of the privet health care in the US they take our Doctors and Nurses from us... paying them twice or three times the amount they can make here in Canada...

This is the famous brain Drain that has happen since the 70s
 Quoting: FATMANGOBOOM


We pretty much have that freedom now.

If you have the cash, don't like the line up, just head out of the country and buy the healthcare you want.

I have been fortunate and have have very good care from my docs here.

No complaints on the health care I receive.
Never had to wait long for anything or any procedure.
Docs are easy to get in to see and my own is compassionate and caring.
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11/05/2012 11:31 PM
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To all the Canadians who think I am full of BS, Im sorry.

I really did work in Canada for 18 years and have had to leave because of the insanity in the medical system, particularly in Alberta. I am for real. Listen or not, I really don't give a crap about the Canadian system any more. I remain bitter, saddened and disappointed with my experience.

Alberta is a corrupt province with a socialist leaning government obsessed with control.

They basically destroyed a functional regional system and cancer program without any evidence to create a central control structure under a "superboard" with the hopes of controlling costs in the system, and mostly to spite outspoken CEOs who wouldn't tow the government line.

Their bureaucrats waste millions and there is a revolving door of administrators leaving with incredible severance packages.

They hired a lunatic economist (Stephen DUckett) from Australia who refused to be the government mouth piece and was promptly dismissed over a Cookie incident

They dismantled one of the best cancer programs in the country, basically because other physicians were jealous and have yet to provide appropriate quality assurance and control testing for cancer testing placing Alberta patients at risk

THe government is getting illegal kickbacks from the major lab CLS.

They created a top down central control nightmare removing input from front line workers, Physicians have no real say in how the system is operated and are faced with Gag orders, bullying and termination if they speak out.

Canadians love their health system, in fact its often thought of as the basis of a national identity. Canadians were once a proud pioneer people who valued freedom, THey have turned into a bunch of frightened ninnies who demand state care from cradle to grave. THe worst part of the canadian state is the lack of choice. Many european nations have found ways to balance public and private medicine. Canada has not.

Canadians will soon see either reduced services, more rationing, and more taxes and user fees to support this universal system that has grown out of control - far beyond the initial noble goals of preventing people from losing everything because of catastrophic illness.
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Americans: If you must adopt universal healthcare insurance

PLEASE PLEASE do not also allow the government to build and run the hospitals too!! you cant have both the payer be the payee it makes no damn sense.

this is the problem in Canada.
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I had a cyst removed and it took only a week to do the surgery. By the way there is no such thing as free health care. We pay harmonized sales tax of 15%. For every hundred I make, 15 of it goes to taxes. Not to mention, the money that comes off my check. Even my household bills are taxed.
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Almost 50% of canadian provincial expenditures are on health care.
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Our system definitely isn't perfect, and with so many levels of administrators I suspect we could spend our money more wisely.

With that said I saw an article that compared both systems and the american system was 3-4 times more expensive on average. A knee replacement here is about 10 grand and in the us 40 something grand.

Seems to me with no insurance and a mildly important problem and you are selling your home to live or paying it off over the rest of your life.

I never understood the American obsession with hating socialism and equating it to communism.

You want a choice? Sure no problem only 10% of you have the financial ability to choose and that number is dwindling. Your illusion of freedom will soon be replaced by tyrannical system the world has never seen.
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11/06/2012 06:53 AM
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The problem with the Canadian system [it's unique among similar nations, the British NHS being the most similar] is it allows no choice. NO PRIVATE INSURER AND HEALTH-PLAN MAY COMPETE AGAINST THE STATE SYSTEM. Border areas of the U.S. do a booming business in all kinds of medical procedures, xrays, etc., from Canadians who wait a coon's age to get a procedure done. There's also a serious shortage in Canada of various things we take for granted in the U.S. The Canadian state system seriously rations both care and investment in medical equipment, especially state of the art stuff.

And Canadian healthcare IS NOT 'Free'. Canadians pay a fortune in taxes and fees, much of this is to maintain their state sponsored heathcare system.

I also think many Canadians don't understand the U.S. has government sponsored heathcare in the form of Medicare and Medicaid. 'Poor' people in the U.S. have coverage, often even free prescriptions to boot. It's people who're not 'poor' enough to get 'Free' care, and have trouble paying healthcare premiums, who have trouble in the U.S., and of course those with catastrophic illnesses who don't qualify for 'Free' care. BUT, many of the millions un-insured in the U.S., are un-insured by choice, often young adults.

I agree though healthcare costs are way out of control. The government HEAVILY subsidizes the healthcare system in the U.S. and has right IMO to institute price controls.
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11/06/2012 06:56 AM
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ObamaCare is not like the Canadian system. The Canadian is a strict single payer system [I think the only other comparable country that has 'socialized' heathcare that is also single payer is the UK...the German, French, Dutch, etc. are not]

ObamaCare is exactly like RomneyCare in Massachusetts.
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For what it's worth.

I know someone who was diagnosed with HEP C. He lives in Canada. He has been a cardiac surgeon for over 40 years and in his retirement he still flies up north to the Yukon on volunteer missions.

With having HEP C he was near death and needed a new liver. He would have died waiting for one in Canada so he looked at the US option. In Wisconsin they had a liver for him. He paid half a million dollars and got the transplant done in the US. He spent 6 months recovering in Madison before going home.

Cliff Notes:

- well respected Canadian doctor diagnosed with HEP C
- determined to be a fatal condition
- Couldn't get care in Canada
- Had transplant done in the US
- Never got reimbursed


Side note: Wisconsin's donor program should be adopted everywhere in the world. Instead of asking to be a donor everyone assumes donor status unless you ask NOT to be.
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11/06/2012 10:24 AM
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We need more doctors in some areas.
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Your system discourages Dr's to want to become Dr's...
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11/06/2012 01:01 PM
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ObamaCare is not like the Canadian system. The Canadian is a strict single payer system [I think the only other comparable country that has 'socialized' heathcare that is also single payer is the UK...the German, French, Dutch, etc. are not]

ObamaCare is exactly like RomneyCare in Massachusetts.
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ObamaCare is more intrusive than Canada Health... some of the demands that they have made are just nuts...

the implant of RFID chips... is nuts... Biotechnology is where they are pushing this and it will be wrapped in healthcare saving lives making it easier for you...

what a load....

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