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Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?

 
Anonymous Coward
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11/05/2012 11:34 AM
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Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?
Please discuss.
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11/05/2012 11:36 AM
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Re: Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?
it certainly falls into a gray area at least.
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11/05/2012 11:37 AM
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Re: Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?
Yes

All government ponzi schemes are socialist
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11/05/2012 11:38 AM
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Re: Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?
Yes. Social Security is now considered a government retirement plan; there exists a myriad of such plans commercially available. If one were able to avoid social Security taxes and instead invest in one of these plans, there would be no need for SS. But since we can't, it's socialism.
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Re: Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?
corporatism is the evil we are
in struggle against.
freedom!
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11/05/2012 11:46 AM
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Re: Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?
NO, nor entitlement.
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11/05/2012 11:57 AM

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Re: Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?
Yes.
Social Security is a gray area because at least there is the possibility of getting the money you paid in back and if you don’t pay into it then you don’t get anything, but they are both government programs with mandatory taxes that only pay back the alleged owner of the money if the beneficiary survives long enough and qualifies for “reimbursement”. If you can’t withdraw your money from your account then it isn’t really yours. If you die before you can get it back and it is not considered as part of your estate but remains with the government then it never was yours to begin with. If the money in the program is never really yours but is collected as a tax from the whole population and then doled out by the government based on your qualified need, then it is socialism.

It is worth noting that Social Security was argued as unconstitutional before it was passed, but the Supreme court backed down because FDR threatened to simply appoint as many judges as needed to get the verdict he wanted. It is still unconstitutional as is Medicare, but the court hasn’t concerned itself much with adhering to constitutional limitations on government in the last century. Oh, and for all you ignorant people who insist that it is by calling it a “tax, the reason for that tax is not enumerated anywhere in Article One of the Constitution and the Tenth Amendment states that any power not explicitly given to the federal government through the Constitution is a power that is retained by the states and the people.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Re: Do you consider Medicare and Social security socialism?
beats living in cambodia for example
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all planks of the communist manifesto are in place in the USA

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TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO

Could this be happening in America? If so, how?

Our "elected representatives" have passed laws implementing these anti-freedom concepts. The communists have achieved a de facto FEDERAL SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT in America.

In 1848 Karl Marx and Frederick Engels wrote a book outlining a political ideology, titled "The Communist Manifesto". Marxism's basic theme is that the proletariat (the "exploited" working class of a capitalistic society) will suffer from alienation and will rise up against the "bourgeoisie" (the middle class) and overthrow the system of "capitalism." After a brief period of rule by "the dictatorship of the proletariat" the classless society of communism would emerge. In his Manifesto Marx described the following ten steps as necessary steps to be taken to destroy a free enterprise society!! Notice how many of these conditions, foreign to the principles that America was founded upon, have now, in 1997, been realized by the concerted efforts of socialist activists? Remember, government interference in your daily life and business is intrusion and deprivation of our liberties!

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