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Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...

 
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Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
He's a full-blown, blue Democrat, and a person I consider to be highly intelligent and very professional (in business), so I thought it would be interesting to hear his perspective on the political side of things.

First, I asked who he was voting for, and he of course said Obama (while holding his nose - which was interesting). While he was not thrilled with Obama's performance since 2008, his biggest concern was on the social front, and what impact a Romney presidency might have on what I like to call "liberal rights." He thought Obama was more aligned with him in this regard, and this was really the ONLY reason he could give for voting to give Obama another four years.

This was a bit surprising to me, so I then began to question him on a myriad of issues, to see what he thought and how he formed those opinions.

1) What News sources do you rely on? - Mainly CNN and CNBC, but also watch Fox periodically (I think he was maybe trying to pander a little to me - knowing that I'm a conservative). He pulls most of his print media from Yahoo and local rags, and largely ignores the main publications like the WSJ and NYT.

2) Obamacare - He was most definitely against Obamacare and agreed that we were lied to (fine vs. tax thing), but said that the Massachusetts form of it was actually pretty good, and well run. He did not think that any form of it should be applied to the entire country via some federal bureaucracy though, and certainly did not agree with the "mandate." That said, he believed that a change needed to be made and seemed to lean more toward a state controlled form of healthcare administration (as touted by the GOP - go figure). Heck, he even said that he was voting for Scott Brown - who was elected specifically in backlash to Obamacare - yet still planned to vote Obama? Interesting to say the least.

3) Obama Economy - He was disappointed in Obama's performance in this regard, but did throw the "Bush did it" talking point out there that so many of the Dems like to use - saying that Obama just needed more time to turn things around; however, he also acknowledged that if Obama's past performance was any indication of the next term, a "turnaround" was going to be arduous at best. In fact, I pressed him a little on this front, and he really couldn't come up with much of anything in support of Obama policy in this regard - other than the GM bailout (which he acknowledged was a poor decision to begin with). He also acknowledged the "tax the rich/redistribution" plan of Obama was equally concerning, but did not believe that it would be as bad as the "right" made it sound....yet he still planned to vote Obama?

4) Benghazi - He appeared to be very uninformed on Benghazi or Chris Stevens, and could only talk topically about it. He was surprised to hear some of the things I mentioned - particularly about General Ham, and the CIA safe house meetings, and said that he would research this himself (maybe he'll awaken before tomorrow). Wow!

5) Foreign Policy - Again, he appeared to be very uninformed on this front as well, and didn't seem to care much one way or the other. Again, Wow!

There was more, but this was the gist of it. So, given that this was more of a business meeting, and given the need for us to remain somewhat neutral as a result - I only gently pressed him to hopefully do a little more research before he cast his vote - but I'm not holding my breath.

In short, this guy is what I would consider the average "somewhat informed" Democrat voter from the north (not a GLP'r by any means). He's a great guy, but his lack of grasp on most all issues we should all be considering heavily in this election was absolutely amazing to me. He truly adheres to party lines, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, and regardless of concerns he even voiced himself. That said, what I took away from this is that he simply wasn't informed - at all (and in his defense, too busy to be so). In fact, I believe that I truly could have swayed his opinion if we had the time.

So, while my hour with this person was a little disappointing, I think it is at least an indication that many Dems may well surprise this country come tomorrow. My guess is that there are a number of people that actually have researched beyond their traditional news sources, and have concluded that Obama simply isn't right for this country - and will actually vote their conscience instead. They're smarter than this administration and the MSM give them credit for, and have fully awoken to the lies they've been fed. Guess we'll see, but if a tried-in-the-wool Democrat is holding his nose (even while still voting Obama), I'm confident that others won't be so kind.

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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
bump
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
its a sad state of affairs...
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
and yet op, everything you have formed as an idea, has been fo4rced feed to you on here. Go figure.
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
romney has it


i know a few dems who are voting for romney
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
Amazing how few people in this country are awake politically enough to even tell you the issues of the day, much less give a real reason to vote for either candidate...

Like it or not, most people who will vote for Obama, aren't really voting for Obama, they can't give you a valid reason to vote FOR Obama, they can't defend his record or his forgotten promises, they are voting against Romney, mainly because they were told too by the MSM.

However, on the flip side, most people voting for Romney are also just voting against Obama. Romney hasn't been very specific about his plan either.

This commonly happens when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils...
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
So how does he feel the election is going?

Is Obama going to win or Romeny?

Sure he knows or has a feeling...
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
rich and shallow, with no real knowledge or interest in truth?

Yep.
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
Amazing how few people in this country are awake politically enough to even tell you the issues of the day, much less give a real reason to vote for either candidate...

Like it or not, most people who will vote for Obama, aren't really voting for Obama, they can't give you a valid reason to vote FOR Obama, they can't defend his record or his forgotten promises, they are voting against Romney, mainly because they were told too by the MSM.

However, on the flip side, most people voting for Romney are also just voting against Obama. Romney hasn't been very specific about his plan either.

This commonly happens when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


True. Although, I'm of a mind that Romney isn't quite as evil as the left (or right) want us to believe.

Hope I'm right, but if not, I will be one of the most ardent for his removal - and a revamping of all things political in this country.
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
romney has it


i know a few dems who are voting for romney
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Me, too. Most of them are Blue Dog Dems and feel as though their party has abandoned them.
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
So how does he feel the election is going?

Is Obama going to win or Romeny?

Sure he knows or has a feeling...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1357677


He said he thought that it would be "close," but at least acknowledged that Obama was fighting an uphill battle.
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
rich and shallow, with no real knowledge or interest in truth?

Yep.
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I wouldn't say that necessarily. He is very successful, and extremely busy in his work. So, he simply hasn't taken (or had) the time to research the truth (as many of us here do continuously).

I've known him for a little over five years though, and find him to be a very sincere person with high integrity (in business). I will say that he is married, but has no kids, which could be one reason for his lack of knowledge or passion on the political front; however, I really think his current position is simply a result of his career (and upbringing). If you do not perceive a threat to your kids or loved-ones (because you don't have any), you're less apt to concern yourself with these things (until it's too late unfortunately).
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
and yet op, everything you have formed as an idea, has been fo4rced feed to you on here. Go figure.
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While GLP has been a source, I certainly don't rely on it to form my opinion. That said, much of the discussion here resonates with me, so I do enjoy visiting frequently and sharing my opinion.

Logic and fact are what I rely upon though, and while difficult to sometimes ascertain (particularly these days), GLP provides a good basis from which to research and confirm - as long as you learn to filter through the bullshit.

From where do you discern your opinion?
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
Amazing how few people in this country are awake politically enough to even tell you the issues of the day, much less give a real reason to vote for either candidate...

Like it or not, most people who will vote for Obama, aren't really voting for Obama, they can't give you a valid reason to vote FOR Obama, they can't defend his record or his forgotten promises, they are voting against Romney, mainly because they were told too by the MSM.

However, on the flip side, most people voting for Romney are also just voting against Obama. Romney hasn't been very specific about his plan either.

This commonly happens when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


True. Although, I'm of a mind that Romney isn't quite as evil as the left (or right) want us to believe.

Hope I'm right, but if not, I will be one of the most ardent for his removal - and a revamping of all things political in this country.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


Romney is a cabal shill like Obama.
So in very simple terms..he ain't gonna do shit.
Just another big talker rubbing the sheeple behind the ears and telling them what they want to hear.

Geez you people are so freaking gullible
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
Amazing how few people in this country are awake politically enough to even tell you the issues of the day, much less give a real reason to vote for either candidate...

Like it or not, most people who will vote for Obama, aren't really voting for Obama, they can't give you a valid reason to vote FOR Obama, they can't defend his record or his forgotten promises, they are voting against Romney, mainly because they were told too by the MSM.

However, on the flip side, most people voting for Romney are also just voting against Obama. Romney hasn't been very specific about his plan either.

This commonly happens when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


True. Although, I'm of a mind that Romney isn't quite as evil as the left (or right) want us to believe.

Hope I'm right, but if not, I will be one of the most ardent for his removal - and a revamping of all things political in this country.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


Romney is a cabal shill like Obama.
So in very simple terms..he ain't gonna do shit.
Just another big talker rubbing the sheeple behind the ears and telling them what they want to hear.

Geez you people are so freaking gullible
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27013867


So, I take it that you're either not voting tomorrow, or plan to vote for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul? If so, I submit that you are the gullible fool.

I will allow you to elaborate before commenting further though.....
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Re: Just visited with a Democrat business associate of mine from Boston...
Amazing how few people in this country are awake politically enough to even tell you the issues of the day, much less give a real reason to vote for either candidate...

Like it or not, most people who will vote for Obama, aren't really voting for Obama, they can't give you a valid reason to vote FOR Obama, they can't defend his record or his forgotten promises, they are voting against Romney, mainly because they were told too by the MSM.

However, on the flip side, most people voting for Romney are also just voting against Obama. Romney hasn't been very specific about his plan either.

This commonly happens when we have to vote for the lesser of two evils...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


True. Although, I'm of a mind that Romney isn't quite as evil as the left (or right) want us to believe.

Hope I'm right, but if not, I will be one of the most ardent for his removal - and a revamping of all things political in this country.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


Romney is a cabal shill like Obama.
So in very simple terms..he ain't gonna do shit.
Just another big talker rubbing the sheeple behind the ears and telling them what they want to hear.

Geez you people are so freaking gullible
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27013867


So, I take it that you're either not voting tomorrow, or plan to vote for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul? If so, I submit that you are the gullible fool.

I will allow you to elaborate before commenting further though.....
 Quoting: SaveUSa


I'm a gullible fool for not taking part in your sham elections to make you sad little sheeple feel like you've actually done something important? LOL good one oh brainless one.

You vote counts..well..because Fox news,MSNBC,and your favorite Cabal shill told you so LMAO!!
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True. Although, I'm of a mind that Romney isn't quite as evil as the left (or right) want us to believe.

Hope I'm right, but if not, I will be one of the most ardent for his removal - and a revamping of all things political in this country.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


Romney is a cabal shill like Obama.
So in very simple terms..he ain't gonna do shit.
Just another big talker rubbing the sheeple behind the ears and telling them what they want to hear.

Geez you people are so freaking gullible
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27013867


So, I take it that you're either not voting tomorrow, or plan to vote for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul? If so, I submit that you are the gullible fool.

I will allow you to elaborate before commenting further though.....
 Quoting: SaveUSa


I'm a gullible fool for not taking part in your sham elections to make you sad little sheeple feel like you've actually done something important? LOL good one oh brainless one.

You vote counts..well..because Fox news,MSNBC,and your favorite Cabal shill told you so LMAO!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27013867


You've obviously spent entirely too much time here - on the "questionable" threads no less....So, I guess I won't bother asking you to elaborate any further. Now go back to your Obama holding pen, and ask them for a different troll.
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Romney is a cabal shill like Obama.
So in very simple terms..he ain't gonna do shit.
Just another big talker rubbing the sheeple behind the ears and telling them what they want to hear.

Geez you people are so freaking gullible
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27013867


So, I take it that you're either not voting tomorrow, or plan to vote for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul? If so, I submit that you are the gullible fool.

I will allow you to elaborate before commenting further though.....
 Quoting: SaveUSa


I'm a gullible fool for not taking part in your sham elections to make you sad little sheeple feel like you've actually done something important? LOL good one oh brainless one.

You vote counts..well..because Fox news,MSNBC,and your favorite Cabal shill told you so LMAO!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27013867


You've obviously spent entirely too much time here - on the "questionable" threads no less....So, I guess I won't bother asking you to elaborate any further. Now go back to your Obama holding pen, and ask them for a different troll.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


Lol what an adorable little child..thinking what Faux News and the rest of mainstream tell him is reality.Soon enough bubba you're gonna find that you in fact were the deluded one that had no grasp of reality.

Your vote counts because the govt suits and the dum dum box tells you so.Obammy is gonna fix things this time around..he promisises (lulz).Mittens is gonna save amer'ca from the evil commie antichrist and usher in a golden age of conservatism..cause he told you soo (lul lul lul lulzzzzz)

Enjoy your pretend election tomorrow bubba hahahahahahahaha

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