So many say that they are "God fearing Christians". Question, why are you afraid of God?

For His Son being crucified by humans on Earth , may be ?!

Worship means that you are a subject, child or possession of God. Lesser than God.

I am not. I am a part of God...

You don't have a clue...

Enlighten me.

that just reinforces how totally stupid religion is.

Worship at the masters feet or he will burn you in hell. Sounds like Kim Jong lll to me. why the hell would i want to go to heaven if i have to bow and kiss the ass of some grand master?

shit is just stupid as hell

fear is not love so NO I DO NOT FEAR GOD

Come on. You wouldn't believe me if I did now would you? Be honest.

Secondly, this void between us is too wide for us to have any common ground to have a real in-depth discussion of God.

Not that I would mind, but it would be a complete waste of our time.

It was you who said, you believe I have no clue. The next logical questions of mine is what do you mean by that?

Basic conversation.

I agree !!!! Hello jesus !! ? jesus you there ???.....hello


chirp...chirp....

I meant that you are so far from the real truth of who and what we really are, that we cannot find any common ground to discuss this very deep and important topic.

That is not an attack, but the truth.

That is what I meant by you not having a clue.

Secondly, there is the issue of you already having made up your mind and it would not matter what I said anyway.

That is completely ok. This life is about choice.

All I am saying in this whole thread is this. Think for yourself. Understand that you were put on this planet to learn, not to be a controlled, guided and punished like a child or domesticated animal.

We are here to walk our own path and to make our own choices. Not to be controlled or punished by some control freak in the sky.

See?

do you fear the police?
do you fear the courts?
do you fear the judges?
do you fear your teachers?

do you fear your father?

the answer can only be answered if you put 'fear' in perspective.

you don't go around 'running away' from the above because you fear them

but if you are guilty of wrong doing,

you become fearful of their judgements and punishments for your wrong doing.

God is the epitomy of that.
He loves you, but you should fear his wrath.
He loves you because he has made a way to know him and understand him on a human level, by sending Jesus.
He loves you because Jesus whom he sent, took the wrath of God that YOU deserve because you are a sinner, and that wrath will be thwarted on judgement day via Jesus if you believe in whom He says he is, and that you repent and have faith.
God is to be feared for he is a jealous God, (as a husband would be jealous of his wife, a mother would be jealous of her child if they turned away from them and loved another). God hates sin, and he will punish it.
No different then the judge in a court would judge you and penalize you for wrong doing.

It's just the final judgement is forever.
If you don't have faith in Jesus, you should fear that forever thing....

Exactly, however it is a learning process and we are in our
childhood. Clearly, God is not vulnerable to us. It is about us making conscious choices and the meaning of them.

Well, in your religion, God would punish us with fire if we made wrong choices. Right? So, we learn from pain and suffering handed down by God?

By whom?

That's sick. That is an abusive parent...

No. I'll never believe that silliness.

By us...

We volunteered to come here. To learn...

yes there is deliberate wrong doing on this plane, but mostly people are ignorant as shit of how god works. Man cannot perfect his knowing in a single life, and thus has many experiences via reincarnation to get someplace with it, but the reincarnation on this world is excessive, because of the iniquity still present here that confused people.

Man does not need a bible or any other book, he just needs some decent teaching lest he forget what he does know, I guess anyway. I have no idea after incarnating here to study this religious bs on this world, how it holds such a grip over people. but it surely does.

Where from?

Like I said, you have no clue. You are just baiting me. You don't really want to learn anything, you just want to argue.

You answer this question for yourself...

I did already. What is yours?

there are basically three groups here, the ones of the Lucifer Rebellion who agreed to come here so they could understand...... for they didn't, and I don't know why.

And the ones evolving on this world....no of the lucifer rebellion


and those of us who do come by intent for its value and to serve its uplifting. This is a study world for those from paradise too, because of the lessons in FUCK up that are on this world.

And I should add a 4th group, those made over the long years in the underground labs here, who were created stupid on purpose as a way for the thugs to destroy God on this world and its working well. These are the robotoids, the automatons who do not reason and rarely survive to being any sort of eternal life. These are the one who most attend churches. Because they cannot reason and the churches were in part created to control them. And by churches, I mean the Islamic ones too. All these institutions.

This is a multifaceted world.

There was a passage in the Old Testament book of Isiah 14:12 which prophesied the overthrow of Babylon's king, stating: 'How are you fallen from heaven, day star, son of the dawn!' As is made clear by the term 'son of the dawn', the Isaiah reference was to the King of Babylon, but astronomically the 'day star' or 'morning star' is Venus, which appears in the sky before sunrise. In Latin, Venus 'the light-bringer' was referred to as the lux-fer, or as it was more commonly written, 'the lucifer'.

Prior to 1667, the term lucifer (lux-fer: 'light-bringer') had never been associated with a male entity - and certainly not with an evil Satan. Even after Milton's death, in 18th century dictionaries, the correct reference is given. For instance, the 1721-94 Nathan Bailey's Etymological Dictionary states: 'Lucifer - The morning or day star; the planet Venus, when it rises before the sun'. But, notwithstanding, following Milton's lead, Freemasons were now not only sun cultists - they were also satanists!

theres your devil.

what kind of BS is this? You too bought the "only son of God" story? Put on your mind. All THINKING beings are Sons of God in various stages of development. You do not understand the Father at all, if you can make such a statement as this. The Father cannot be offended. The Father is the Creative MIND, and although he counts as a person, he is much more than you ones think he is. He is intact thru the Trinity, the entirety of the creation. There are 5.6 TRILLION planets with evolutionary life that has evolved thinking people. And that doesn't include the planets that are seeded with Life but have not yet developed intelligent mind. And it doesn't include those planets that went into light and life, eternity and are then removed from the evolutionary planet counts.

Then there are the billions and billions of "heaven worlds" which are custom built worlds you EARN at some point and on which the angels are created and live who serve the Creation. When the 7 superuniverses are "complete" there will be about 7 trillion evolutionary worlds, and about 500 billon heaven worlds and that is not the END, for in the very outer space WE SEE here now, there are almost uncountable new universes forming. There are now 700,000 universes in development which does not include those in the outer space rings.

Do you ones thus GET HOW BIG THE TRINITY as GOD IS? God did not create one little son, 2nd person Trinity to come to this ignorant planet. OK GET THAT, its big out there. And all of OUT THERE IS PLANNED AND MANAGED. Grow up people, you have the benefit of the Hubble now, and it picks up some of the milky Way, which is but part of one Superuniverse, and a bunch of the new stuff forming in the outer space rings. The CREATION IS MASSIVE and continues to grow more Massive. I would suggest some of you in your ignorance put away which ever stupid dumb holy book you follow, for they all are, and start reading WALTER RUSSELL a great Christ who this past century illumined the world, or tried to, about the nature of God and how God creates. Most of the rules etc are rules by Hierarchy which if followed would cause this planet to finally come into balance. That it is tilted, says it is not in balance, if it were, it would hang straight up and down and there would be no seasons. Man is horrificially unbalanced on this world and he has little time to balanced himself, because of the energy cycles we have moved into, like that photon belt, plus the energies of the Milky Way, plus the Wave from Paradise /b]

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What I meant by this last post is that yes, there is wrong, but we learn from our mistakes as well as from our successes. I did not mean that there are not wrong choices, but whether or not we learn from our wrong choices.

We certainly don't need to be punished or rewarded by some evil control freak in the sky they call God when we make a choice.

I agree with your posts here. Thanks.

Worship means to respect God. You respect your earthly parents and should respect your creator even more.

You confuse the father of yours with your Creator. LOL

Yes it is.

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"and those of us who do come by intent for its value and to serve its uplifting."

I call these beings the Wanderers...

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"These are the robotoids, the automatons who do not reason and rarely survive to being any sort of eternal life."

I see these beings as "souless". In other words they are are only physical earthly beings.

Thanks

"Fear", like many English words has different meanings depending on context. The phrase "God-fearing" does not relate anxiety or worry about a danger, but reverance and respect. Get a dictionary and look it up.

The same is true for the phrase "fearfully and wonderfully made" which is a quote from the Bible. It doesn't mean to be worried about the danger of our creation, but to have awe and respect for how complex we are.

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Throughout the patriarchal era, the emergent Hebrews endeavoured to support Adon the Lord but, at every turn, El Shaddai (the storm god Jehovah) retaliated with floods, tempests, famines and general destruction. Even at the time of the Captivity (around 586 BC), the Bible explains that Jerusalem was overthrown at Jehovah's bidding. Tens of thousands of Israelites were then taken hostage into Babylon simply because one of their past kings (a descendant of King David) had erected altars in veneration of Baal the Adon.

It was during the course of this Captivity that the Israelites finally conceded. They decided, after generations of Adon support, to succumb to the opposing god of wrath, developing a new religion out of sheer fear of his retribution. It was, in fact, at this time that the apparent name of Jehovah first appeared - little more than 500 years before the time of Jesus. Subsequently, the Christian Church took Jehovah on board as well, calling him simply God, and all the hitherto social concepts of Adon were totally discarded. The two religions were henceforth both faiths of fear, and even today their followers are classified as 'God fearing'.