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THE LEFT/RIGHT PARADIGM AND THE NWO ARE A BATTLE OF IDEAS.

 
*Evan* (OP)

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Read Glenn Beck and Jonah Goldberg? Seriously? How can a sane individual promote these shills?

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 Quoting: GT


The fact that you criticise those books without ever reading them tells me who the real shill is...
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I'll make a deal with you--I'll read both of these books if you read two books by Al Franken.
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I didn't say you had to read them, but I wouldn't call anyone names or a shill for promoting reading material that I myself havn't read.
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OP you are a little confused.

The ideological struggle going on right now is...

Neoconservatism/Neoliberalism VS. Classical Liberalism aka Libertarianism.

The establishment Left and the establishment Right don't agree with each other on the surface, but they are both working toward the same ends...creating debts to the banks.

Libertarians want to actually shrink the size of government so that the banks have less control over the population.


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I hear ya. My views most closely allign to libertarian. I would put libertarians in the individuality, personal responsibility, liberty category.
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
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Yeah, we wouldn't want anyone to enjoy a national past time or root for the home team for fun or anything. That might be fun and we just can't have that. rolleyes
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
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Can you tell me what I am brainwashed about?

Because I don't think you can....
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
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Yeah, we wouldn't want anyone to enjoy a national past time or root for the home team for fun or anything. That might be fun and we just can't have that. rolleyes
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lol

Maybe he was a Tigers fan?

1dunno1

chuckle
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I'd prefer socialism over corporate fascism anyday, but it's not like we have a say in it. Corporations are the new feudal lords and we're just serfs. Keep giving your money to idiots like Goldberg and Beck and see who gets richer.
 Quoting: GT


I don't want either. I want what our founders wanted.


As for Beck, I have done well in my life by living and applying the same principles he promotes....so 1dunno1

If you don't like him, that's fine. I wouldn't expect everyone to..
 Quoting: *Evan*


Great.

You've "done well" by whos standards?

The "go to work/pay your taxes/buy a big house and car/be a good boy or go to hell" peoples standards or the "unconditionally love your brothers and sisters/don't let greed blind your path' peoples standards?
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5stars
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I'd prefer socialism over corporate fascism anyday, but it's not like we have a say in it. Corporations are the new feudal lords and we're just serfs. Keep giving your money to idiots like Goldberg and Beck and see who gets richer.
 Quoting: GT


I don't want either. I want what our founders wanted.


As for Beck, I have done well in my life by living and applying the same principles he promotes....so 1dunno1

If you don't like him, that's fine. I wouldn't expect everyone to..
 Quoting: *Evan*


Great.

You've "done well" by whos standards?

The "go to work/pay your taxes/buy a big house and car/be a good boy or go to hell" peoples standards or the "unconditionally love your brothers and sisters/don't let greed blind your path' peoples standards?
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lol

Whose standards but my own would matter? It's my life, I have my own criteria for judging my own success. My own goals and own faults.

The same as anyone else.

Funny how people are always trying to find that "gotcha" moment or scenario. If someone is happy and successful, someone has to try and derail that.

We call them haters.
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5stars
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cheers
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
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Can you tell me what I am brainwashed about?

Because I don't think you can....
 Quoting: *Evan*


Just pointing out that "bleeding" the colors of a sports team which you have zero input or control over is just a bit over the top imo, that's all.

If you're that hardcore serious over a group of overpaid boys playing with balls then I would take serious issue with where your priorities lay in life.

"Your" team won the big trophy, wow, great.
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OP you are a little confused.

The ideological struggle going on right now is...

Neoconservatism/Neoliberalism VS. Classical Liberalism aka Libertarianism.

The establishment Left and the establishment Right don't agree with each other on the surface, but they are both working toward the same ends...creating debts to the banks.

Libertarians want to actually shrink the size of government so that the banks have less control over the population.


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THAT is awesome
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


Can you tell me what I am brainwashed about?

Because I don't think you can....
 Quoting: *Evan*


Just pointing out that "bleeding" the colors of a sports team which you have zero input or control over is just a bit over the top imo, that's all.

If you're that hardcore serious over a group of overpaid boys playing with balls then I would take serious issue with where your priorities lay in life.
"Your" team won the big trophy, wow, great.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


So basically you can't tell me how I am "brainwashed"?

I didn't think so.

"ooh you like sports, you must not know a thing about anything else"

And you worry about my logic?

chuckle
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I'd prefer socialism over corporate fascism anyday, but it's not like we have a say in it. Corporations are the new feudal lords and we're just serfs. Keep giving your money to idiots like Goldberg and Beck and see who gets richer.
 Quoting: GT


I don't want either. I want what our founders wanted.


As for Beck, I have done well in my life by living and applying the same principles he promotes....so 1dunno1

If you don't like him, that's fine. I wouldn't expect everyone to..
 Quoting: *Evan*


Great.

You've "done well" by whos standards?

The "go to work/pay your taxes/buy a big house and car/be a good boy or go to hell" peoples standards or the "unconditionally love your brothers and sisters/don't let greed blind your path' peoples standards?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


lol

Whose standards but my own would matter? It's my life, I have my own criteria for judging my own success. My own goals and own faults.

The same as anyone else.

Funny how people are always trying to find that "gotcha" moment or scenario. If someone is happy and successful, someone has to try and derail that.

We call them haters.
 Quoting: *Evan*


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you saying Becks standards matter to you since you align with his beliefs?

Not looking to getcha or be a hater, didn't you just say you wouldn't expect everyone to "like him"?
That makes me a hater now huh?1dunno1
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The left right paradigm is to keep idiots busy arguing while those in charge continue to print money and charge interest on it.
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LOL at a Glenn Beck book being used as something to ignite change.
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Congrats, you just went full glpeetard.
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I don't want either. I want what our founders wanted.


As for Beck, I have done well in my life by living and applying the same principles he promotes....so 1dunno1

If you don't like him, that's fine. I wouldn't expect everyone to..
 Quoting: *Evan*


Great.

You've "done well" by whos standards?

The "go to work/pay your taxes/buy a big house and car/be a good boy or go to hell" peoples standards or the "unconditionally love your brothers and sisters/don't let greed blind your path' peoples standards?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


lol

Whose standards but my own would matter? It's my life, I have my own criteria for judging my own success. My own goals and own faults.

The same as anyone else.

Funny how people are always trying to find that "gotcha" moment or scenario. If someone is happy and successful, someone has to try and derail that.

We call them haters.
 Quoting: *Evan*


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you saying Becks standards matter to you since you align with his beliefs?

Not looking to getcha or be a hater, didn't you just say you wouldn't expect everyone to "like him"?
That makes me a hater now huh?1dunno1
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You are asking questions and posting about stuff this thread is not about. If you want to stay on topic you can stay around.....if not, and it's just more attempted derailment.....I will get rid of the problem.

:)
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


Can you tell me what I am brainwashed about?

Because I don't think you can....
 Quoting: *Evan*


Just pointing out that "bleeding" the colors of a sports team which you have zero input or control over is just a bit over the top imo, that's all.

If you're that hardcore serious over a group of overpaid boys playing with balls then I would take serious issue with where your priorities lay in life.
"Your" team won the big trophy, wow, great.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


So basically you can't tell me how I am "brainwashed"?

I didn't think so.

"ooh you like sports, you must not know a thing about anything else"

And you worry about my logic?

chuckle
 Quoting: *Evan*


Do you "like" sports or do you BLEED them?

Your bias clouds your judgement, that defines you as brainwashed.
To see the big picture, step back, watch, sssshhhhhh.
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The left right paradigm is to keep idiots busy arguing while those in charge continue to print money and charge interest on it.
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There is a problem with the monetary system yes, but there are also two very different ideologies struggling for power in America right now. Kind of always has been actually.

It's just now, we are at a tipping point.
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Can you tell me what I am brainwashed about?

Because I don't think you can....
 Quoting: *Evan*


Just pointing out that "bleeding" the colors of a sports team which you have zero input or control over is just a bit over the top imo, that's all.

If you're that hardcore serious over a group of overpaid boys playing with balls then I would take serious issue with where your priorities lay in life.
"Your" team won the big trophy, wow, great.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


So basically you can't tell me how I am "brainwashed"?

I didn't think so.

"ooh you like sports, you must not know a thing about anything else"

And you worry about my logic?

chuckle
 Quoting: *Evan*


Do you "like" sports or do you BLEED them?

Your bias clouds your judgement, that defines you as brainwashed.
To see the big picture, step back, watch, sssshhhhhh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


My bias towards what? Freedom, liberty, personal responsibility?

I guess I am bias towards those things..
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lol

Whose standards but my own would matter? It's my life, I have my own criteria for judging my own success. My own goals and own faults.

The same as anyone else.

Funny how people are always trying to find that "gotcha" moment or scenario. If someone is happy and successful, someone has to try and derail that.

We call them haters.
 Quoting: *Evan*


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you saying Becks standards matter to you since you align with his beliefs?

Not looking to getcha or be a hater, didn't you just say you wouldn't expect everyone to "like him"?
That makes me a hater now huh?1dunno1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


You are asking questions and posting about stuff this thread is not about. If you want to stay on topic you can stay around.....if not, and it's just more attempted derailment.....I will get rid of the problem.

:)
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I'm answering YOUR questions dumbass
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eh you were warned...

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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


Can you tell me what I am brainwashed about?

Because I don't think you can....
 Quoting: *Evan*


Just pointing out that "bleeding" the colors of a sports team which you have zero input or control over is just a bit over the top imo, that's all.

If you're that hardcore serious over a group of overpaid boys playing with balls then I would take serious issue with where your priorities lay in life.

"Your" team won the big trophy, wow, great.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


Oh, ffs. Not everything is a freaking conspiracy. Hobbies are good for you, maybe you should try knitting. Maybe it will unclench your behind.
The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. Romans 13:11

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 10:22

Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


Can you tell me what I am brainwashed about?

Because I don't think you can....
 Quoting: *Evan*


Just pointing out that "bleeding" the colors of a sports team which you have zero input or control over is just a bit over the top imo, that's all.

If you're that hardcore serious over a group of overpaid boys playing with balls then I would take serious issue with where your priorities lay in life.

"Your" team won the big trophy, wow, great.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


Oh, ffs. Not everything is a freaking conspiracy. Hobbies are good for you, maybe you should try knitting. Maybe it will unclench your behind.
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chuckle
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There is no left/right paradigm. Maybe once, a long time ago there was. But now both parties are virtually the same with their minor differences being played up by the media. This is to keep the American people pitted against each other instead of the real enemies: the elitists who will act in their own interest regardless of the empty label placed on them. It doesn't matter if Romney or Obama is elected. The endgame is the same. The only real opportunity for "change" is to overthrow the two party system.
"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."-George Carlin

"Freedom, baby...is never having to say you're sorry."-The Devil's Advocate

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."-George Orwell

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There is no left/right paradigm. Maybe once, a long time ago there was. But now both parties are virtually the same with their minor differences being played up by the media. This is to keep the American people pitted against each other instead of the real enemies: the elitists who will act in their own interest regardless of the empty label placed on them. It doesn't matter if Romney or Obama is elected. The endgame is the same. The only real opportunity for "change" is to overthrow the two party system.
 Quoting: letsgetnihilistic


I know many people feel this way. I agree to an extent...but I still stick with my point of two competing ideas being at war.

The Elite want a one world government right? Well, many people on the faar left would also like to see that. They allign with that IDEA.

I myself prefer America to be a sovereign country.
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Says the guy who "bleeds black and orange" over a sports team.

Sorry OP but if any ones been brainwashed its you.
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Can you tell me what I am brainwashed about?

Because I don't think you can....
 Quoting: *Evan*


Just pointing out that "bleeding" the colors of a sports team which you have zero input or control over is just a bit over the top imo, that's all.

If you're that hardcore serious over a group of overpaid boys playing with balls then I would take serious issue with where your priorities lay in life.

"Your" team won the big trophy, wow, great.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


Oh, ffs. Not everything is a freaking conspiracy. Hobbies are good for you, maybe you should try knitting. Maybe it will unclench your behind.
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It's all a zionist psy-op
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teeth and arse , ass holes and elbows
educate yourselves sure , but its never the fight but how you fight , a Ghandi style rise keeping the love , keeping the will , is whats needed , for with every revolution in anger risen has soon its own issues in aggression , to do these things of change without conflict within ones mind , is the goal and with wisdom and braveheart , dont bark back when the dogs are barking.
the voice the conciance and the way , a bit holmsish , i see everything , that is my curse
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teeth and arse , ass holes and elbows
educate yourselves sure , but its never the fight but how you fight , a Ghandi style rise keeping the love , keeping the will , is whats needed , for with every revolution in anger risen has soon its own issues in aggression , to do these things of change without conflict within ones mind , is the goal and with wisdom and braveheart , dont bark back when the dogs are barking.
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Always good advice
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Just a hint from an old film you all should have watched till now cool2
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Just a hint from an old film you all should have watched till now cool2
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