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I think I know that the 2nd Christ is here on Earth in the flesh. Lets talk about it.

 
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John 3
Apart from the clear message of keeping the commandments, not sinning, loving one another, there seems to be clues for recognizing the second comming of the Lord. One of them is not using the terminology of Christ. It matches the idea that the Lord will not come to save from sins, so its not called the Christ. This is incredible. Basically it tells you not expect someone who comes to save us from our sins!

Maybe thats why one cant point the finger to "the Christ". Because there wont be any salvation from sins and we should not be expecting that.

Talks about "the son of god manifested", as if creating a counter point for him being NOT manifested when he comes as the Lord.

It creates a series of conditions:
since you know the truth (or you should know if you followed the way, i.e. all the carefully placed clues on this book)

[wich should raise eyebrows, because there are so many clues and puzzles and interpretations and indications of people not understanding, not hearing, not seeing, not having wisdom, being in darkness and so on to the point that you ask yourself, how come the culture never mentions how cryptic the Bible is, because its a feat of itself]

Wich also lets clear that there will be deception and the people who really didnt "got the message" will fall for it. But its not that what will happen in real life will be great wonders and miracles that will deceive people only. It seems like the Bible itself plays a role by being the way it is, so that there are many locks, keys and layers of understanding.

And then it continues

"the world knoweth us not, because it him it not". The Sons of God were not known. But its not talking about christians only, this Gospel is of John the Baptist, wich had the spirit of the prophecy. So it this "knoweth us not", might mean "therefore the world DID NOT RECOGNIZED US".

And that seems to be sense of that part of the Gospel, give clues so that people could "knoweth", but in the sense of identify, recognize, diferentiate.

And then it goes (John 3:2) "Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

This "not yet appear what we shall be" might indicate the remmants sons of God alone, or it might include also the angels (if they dwell amongst us).

"when he shall appear" to me its clear, its about the 2nd comming, the return of the Lord.

now the last part is the most important: "if you are like him, then you will see him, AS HE IS".

This indicate that everyone who is not like him, WILL NOT SEE HIM AS HE IS.

So many people might be thinking about some grandiose, glorious return. But what this imply, is that most will not recognize him, because IT WILL LOOK LIKE HE IS A NOBODY.

But then again, if YOU ARE LIKE HIM, then you CAN recognize him.

Now, knowing all the story of Jesus Christ from the first time, if he were to come again, "without being manifested" (wich will be mentioned a little later on the scripture), how would he be like? And then you have to imagine a cross over of ortodox semite jew with true/hardcore/fundamentalist/scripturalist christian. Wich is completelly different from the Christ, or "manifested form", or the one described with special effects "heavens scrolling open and bright light..."

At John 3:6, it seems to indicate again, that those who sinned, or were in sin, did not know him. But if you keep interpreting "know" as "recognize/identify", then its a clear message saying, THOSE WHO ARE IN SIN WILL NOT RECOGNIZE HIM.

And it keeps talking about the FIRST comming of the Lord as him being MANIFESTED. But then you think, "why is scripture telling me that?" It doesnt have any other purpose unless it is to create a counter paralel to say that "When he comes the second time, it is not to remove the sins, therefore he will not be manifested!"

John 3:9 is a circling argument, if you are born of god you dont sin, and you keep your seed, and you cannot sin, because you are born of God. This is to reinforce the idea of not Sin, but also indicates the need to keep "the seed". Maybe it refers to the "life", to the "connection with God". The 777 as opposed to the 666, and if you lose the seed, you go from 777 to 666, through Sin. Something like that I heard earlier on the thread. I dont saw it on the Bible though.

John 3:10, talks about being manifested BY KEEPING THE SEED, i.e. Not sinning. But also by being righteous and loving their brothers.

This goes right back into Malachi 4:5-6. Wich states that in the later days Elijah would come back to turn the hearts of the father back to the children and vice-versa, or a curse.
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The pupose of this last servant of Isaiah 42 which is not Jesus is to bring the two houses of Israel back together as it was in the time of king David and to feed the people during the 7 year famine of the word of God just as the Joseph story is about him feeding the people during the physical famine because in the bible you always have the physical first and then the spiritual in the end.
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several disciples are...and know why.

christ...not quite yet.
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John 3
Apart from the clear message of keeping the commandments, not sinning, loving one another, there seems to be clues for recognizing the second comming of the Lord. One of them is not using the terminology of Christ. It matches the idea that the Lord will not come to save from sins, so its not called the Christ. This is incredible. Basically it tells you not expect someone who comes to save us from our sins!

Maybe thats why one cant point the finger to "the Christ". Because there wont be any salvation from sins and we should not be expecting that.

Talks about "the son of god manifested", as if creating a counter point for him being NOT manifested when he comes as the Lord.

It creates a series of conditions:
since you know the truth (or you should know if you followed the way, i.e. all the carefully placed clues on this book)

[wich should raise eyebrows, because there are so many clues and puzzles and interpretations and indications of people not understanding, not hearing, not seeing, not having wisdom, being in darkness and so on to the point that you ask yourself, how come the culture never mentions how cryptic the Bible is, because its a feat of itself]

Wich also lets clear that there will be deception and the people who really didnt "got the message" will fall for it. But its not that what will happen in real life will be great wonders and miracles that will deceive people only. It seems like the Bible itself plays a role by being the way it is, so that there are many locks, keys and layers of understanding.

And then it continues

"the world knoweth us not, because it him it not". The Sons of God were not known. But its not talking about christians only, this Gospel is of John the Baptist, wich had the spirit of the prophecy. So it this "knoweth us not", might mean "therefore the world DID NOT RECOGNIZED US".

And that seems to be sense of that part of the Gospel, give clues so that people could "knoweth", but in the sense of identify, recognize, diferentiate.

And then it goes (John 3:2) "Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

This "not yet appear what we shall be" might indicate the remmants sons of God alone, or it might include also the angels (if they dwell amongst us).

"when he shall appear" to me its clear, its about the 2nd comming, the return of the Lord.

now the last part is the most important: "if you are like him, then you will see him, AS HE IS".

This indicate that everyone who is not like him, WILL NOT SEE HIM AS HE IS.

So many people might be thinking about some grandiose, glorious return. But what this imply, is that most will not recognize him, because IT WILL LOOK LIKE HE IS A NOBODY.

But then again, if YOU ARE LIKE HIM, then you CAN recognize him.

Now, knowing all the story of Jesus Christ from the first time, if he were to come again, "without being manifested" (wich will be mentioned a little later on the scripture), how would he be like? And then you have to imagine a cross over of ortodox semite jew with true/hardcore/fundamentalist/scripturalist christian. Wich is completelly different from the Christ, or "manifested form", or the one described with special effects "heavens scrolling open and bright light..."

At John 3:6, it seems to indicate again, that those who sinned, or were in sin, did not know him. But if you keep interpreting "know" as "recognize/identify", then its a clear message saying, THOSE WHO ARE IN SIN WILL NOT RECOGNIZE HIM.

And it keeps talking about the FIRST comming of the Lord as him being MANIFESTED. But then you think, "why is scripture telling me that?" It doesnt have any other purpose unless it is to create a counter paralel to say that "When he comes the second time, it is not to remove the sins, therefore he will not be manifested!"

John 3:9 is a circling argument, if you are born of god you dont sin, and you keep your seed, and you cannot sin, because you are born of God. This is to reinforce the idea of not Sin, but also indicates the need to keep "the seed". Maybe it refers to the "life", to the "connection with God". The 777 as opposed to the 666, and if you lose the seed, you go from 777 to 666, through Sin. Something like that I heard earlier on the thread. I dont saw it on the Bible though.

John 3:10, talks about being manifested BY KEEPING THE SEED, i.e. Not sinning. But also by being righteous and loving their brothers.

This goes right back into Malachi 4:5-6. Wich states that in the later days Elijah would come back to turn the hearts of the father back to the children and vice-versa, or a curse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27122171


The pupose of this last servant of Isaiah 42 which is not Jesus is to bring the two houses of Israel back together as it was in the time of king David and to feed the people during the 7 year famine of the word of God just as the Joseph story is about him feeding the people during the physical famine because in the bible you always have the physical first and then the spiritual in the end.
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Im now thinking the guy I know could be the Lord, not manifested.

If the person im thinking is the same person you are thinking, and its role is really to be a servant of Isaiah (wich I havent read yet), then the northern house of Israel is not US, or UK. But something else, because this guy Im speaking about is from somewhere else.

So for the northern house of Israel to be US or UK, then it has to be 2 different people that are "from God". Are you thinking of someone that you heard on any other thread?


But he is still a jew, but not by nationality.
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So Im not thinking of the King of Kings.
But the once and future King.

The Lord, but not the Christ.

Jesus was the Lord and the Christ.

Now, by reading John 3 there is a clear distinction between the "coming of the Lord" and the "coming of the Christ".

Or the Son of Man manifested = Christ, and the Son of Man non manifested = still the Lord.
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The different terminologies.

The living God, God, Son of Man, Son of God, Sons of God, the Father, the Lord, The once and future King, the King of Kings

It is very specific. And confusing.

So when the word Saviour, or Christ, or Annointed is mentioned is one thing. When Holy Ghost, or the Spirit, is another...

Its like one has to read the Bible many times to start understanding.
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When moses was in the desert there was a rock that gave forth water and God told moses to strike the rock once.
The rock represented Jesus, as Jesus gives living water. Moses struck the rock and it gave forth water. this is representing Jesus being struck for our sins on the cross. Another day came and God said speak to the rock and it will give forth water. Instead of speaking to the rock Moses struck the rock 2 more times and because of this Moses didn't enter the promise land. Jesus didn't need to be sacraficed or struck again so this is the reason
for the two witnesses in the end.

Here is 2 examples of Moses playing the part of God to the people:

Exodus 4:14-16
14 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know
that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in
his heart. 15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

Exodus 7:1
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

Now go to Dueteronomy 18:15-19
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

verse 15 and 16 Moses is speaking in the place of God saying I will raise up a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy bretheren, like unto me;......so that would be Jesus because Jesus is like God and moses is speaking in the place of God. Divide these verses correctly and you will see this last moshiach or prophet that is to come. The reason God sent Jesus was because the people were afraid when God came like a great fire.

now lets go to verse 17-19:
It starts out moses speaking and saying The Lord said unto me.....so now Moses isn't playing the part of God to the people here Moses is playing the part of a regular man because God is speaking to Moses. Now verse 18 God is still speaking to Moses and God says I will raise up a prophet from among their bretheren, like unto thee(like moses not like God), and I will put my words in his mouth: and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. verse 19 and it shall come to pass, that whosever will not harken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.......(This is that last day moshiach)
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I thank you for posting that.

John 5:6-12 gets it clear the connection between

the truth, the life, the way, the witness, the spirit

And when you go back to the Genesis, when God says about "if you eat from the fruit you SHALL SURELLY DIE".

In many verses, when God talks about life, he is talkinga about that component of connection to him, and the spirit.

It is taught with certain logic as to be scientific, metaphysic law, but with simple terms we could understand.

So when we got the Saviour, the Christ, the first time, the mechanics of salvation/universe got translated into believing in him, his sacrifice, his water, his spirit and his blood.

The fountain of living waters you just quoted. Matches the "Im the truth, the way and the life".

It is repeated over and over in similar ways, through different terminology across the whole Bible.

Whenever God talks about life, its about this.
When they want to talk about what we were taught to understand as life and death, they use "asleep/sleep". You are not alive when you are born of water, or water and blood, but water, blood and spirit. Thats why the baptism in water. Or the reason to be "reborn in Jesus Christ".

There is a reason for all that.

"He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

Wich is believing (and keeping all the commandments and not sinning, And loving one another). And then he talks about the witness as the one who believes on the Son of God. And calls a liar whoever doesnt believes. So the wording "witness" could be synonimous/paralel of "truth".

Relates Spirit with witness. Witness as opposed of liar. And then "Spirit is truth".

And it also related spirit, water and blood. "even Jesus Christ" so it tells us that it came of flesh.
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Adam is Gods first born and scripture says that Israel is Gods firstborn Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn We know Adam went into a deep sleep that Eve could come forth. So Adam and Eve are a foreshadow of the house of Israel separating after king solomon.The northern kingdom represents Eve(the gentile). The southern kingdom represents Adam(the jew). Just as Adam was asleep when Eve was awake, so are the jews asleep to the fact that Jesus is their salvation(tree of life). Eve gave Adam from the (tree of good and evil) in the beginning of the story. At the end of the bible Eve(gentile christian) gives Adam(Jew) from the tree of life(Jesus Christ) and life in re-instated When Elijah comes the scripture says he will turn the heart of the father to the children and the heart of the children to the father. Who are the fathers? The fathers are those that teach the truth. What is the truth, Jesus Christ said " I am the way, the truth and the life and not man comes to the father but by me. So the fathers are those who teach Jesus Christ crucified, rose again 3 days later and is the atonement for sin. The children are those who receive this truth. You can see a chain of events, The father(teachers of truth) and the children(recievers of truth) heart become one, then Israel(christian) and Judah(jew) turn their heart toward one another, which in turn represent Adam turning his heart toward Eve and Even turning her heart toward Adam that they become one again...that they can turn their heart toward God and God can turn His heart toward them and all is finished and complete!! (The last day servant represents Adam and the other witness represents Eve just as Moses and Aaron were a shadow of the same thing)

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John 5:20

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

My interpretation of this is clear.

The Son of God is come, +understanding, that we may know (RECOGNIZE) him that is True (and not deception); and we are in him that is true, just like in Son Jesus Christ.

HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME GUY. The one who is come, that will be recognized by the christians, is the Son of God, like his Son Jesus Christ.

"This is the true God".

And then, to make sure people dont get deceived, it says on John 5:21

"Little Children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen."

There is a clear message on the entire Gospel of John about the return of "Son of God", the Lord that is NOT manifested.

Wich is clearly not the same entity as the Christ, or the Christ expected from the "heavens opening like scrolls".

And this is the guy I think Im talking about. This is the guy that might be the Nobody. The one that christians/jews would spot in an instant.
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Hi Ceti,
I remote viewed under many levels under the Vatican too. It was hot as hell down below there.
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...i was spun out of Operation Paperclip...my 2 bloodlines are the Grail and the Vril which just means ESP and PSI abilities...it has nothing to do with false religious history...most still haven't figured out if we tell the lies loud enough and the lies long enough they will believe the lies as being true told to them generation after generation...the lies are the surface meanings of EVERY religious text ever written and the way histories were created...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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All things were made by him
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, wich lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.




The Bible says Jesus was the Light. And then goes even to say redundantly that he was the TRUE LIGHT.

Its clearly hinting at other/s non true light.
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There goes the Lucifer is the Christ, or Lucifer is Jesus or Lucifer is the Light theories.
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Hi Ceti,
I remote viewed under many levels under the Vatican too. It was hot as hell down below there.
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...i was spun out of Operation Paperclip...my 2 bloodlines are the Grail and the Vril which just means ESP and PSI abilities...it has nothing to do with false religious history...most still haven't figured out if we tell the lies loud enough and the lies long enough they will believe the lies as being true told to them generation after generation...the lies are the surface meanings of EVERY religious text ever written and the way histories were created...
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yep, i was shown all the lies a long time ago, and I was shown all the things they hide down in the abyss of the harlot.
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Christ is not here, when He returns it will not be in the flesh As that was done way with and all will see and hear Him return, it will be no secret and prior to His return there is NO secret rapture return.
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Why is Elijah told to be one of the two witnesses? Because Elijah represent a type of forerunner to the other witnesses, just as John the baptist with the Elijah spirit was a forerunner to Jesus. The other witness is the servant found in Isaiah 42 which has been misinterpreted. as Jesus. Don't get me wrong Jesus is the only one through whom salvation comes but some verses people contribute to Jesus are not Jesus but the last day servant(2nd christ):
Here is an example: Isaiah 42 most people think this is Jesus but if you notice it is Jesus who is speaking: Because we know Jesus is the CREATOR of everything according to the bible:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

I will highlight the areas that prove Jesus is speaking:
Verse 5: We know Jesus created the heavens and earth
Verse 6: This servant is "a light" to the gentiles...Jesus isn't "a" light Jesus is "the light" John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Acts 13:47 Paul and Barnabas was a light
King James Version (KJV)
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
The verses in Isaiah 49 are not talking about Paul and Barnabas because paul states in Acts 13:47 the Lord commanded "us" (plural) to be a light. In Isaiah 49:6 the Lord states I will give "thee"(singular) for a light!

Verse 19: This servant is called Blind...Jesus was never blind as he was about His "Fathers business at the age of 12"
Isaiah 42
King James Version (KJV)
42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, and a light for the Gentiles
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.
13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.
16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant?
20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?
24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.
25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to
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All things were made by him
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, wich lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.




The Bible says Jesus was the Light. And then goes even to say redundantly that he was the TRUE LIGHT.

Its clearly hinting at other/s non true light.
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The key is that Jesus is "the light" and this servant in Isaiah is "a light"...Jesus' first born hides in the shadow of many verses people think refer to Jesus. Isaiah 51:16 And I have put my words in your mouth, and I have covered you in the shadow of my hand, that I may establish the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, you are my people.(this is Jesus speaking because Jesus has a shadow and laid the foundations of earth but the Father doesn't have a shadow, we know this from James 1:17:Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

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Christ is not here, when He returns it will not be in the flesh As that was done way with and all will see and hear Him return, it will be no secret and prior to His return there is NO secret rapture return.
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Yes, but this refers to the end of the end of the prophecies.

But I want to understand who are the other characters that are already on the earth, in the flesh.

I want to relate the person I know, with the characters on the prophecies.

We already ruled out its not the Christ, and it cant be the Christ for other reasons.

No man can point the finger and say he is here, or he is there. When it comes, people will know by themselves.
At the same time, the Christ is just one of the "figures", the very last one to appear and be seen.

Before that, it will be asked of believers that they are able to identify many things. So it goes beyond believing, keeping the commandments, not practice of any sin that lead unto death, and loving your brothers and sisters.

There are signs already. Some are fake, some are real. Its time for christians to start paying attention.

Ive spot this male, that is clearly sent by God. Currently inactive, but broke some ever stablished Paradigms on the Matrix as if it was nothing and nobody knows how. This man is clearly working for God. He played, and/or is to play a role in the future.
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Waterman, what is your take on the parable of the Mature Fig Tree?

I think the mature fig tree represent the believers who are "ready", those who had the patience of the saints, those who overcame the world.

Right now, I think we are not there yet.



I think that before this happen, other passages of the Bible, apparently unrelated, also use the parable of the fig tree, but in a different chronologic point.

Such as the wild fig tree shaking, and some natural branches breaking falling, only to be graffled... wich then could lead to getting closer to the mature fig trees, shortly after.

This I read in Romans 11


And then, there are passages about the fig tree, that talk about the season and the leaves of it, wich could be yet another previous indicator of the later two stages. Probably the stage at wich we are now.
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mature fig fruits*
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It seems like key to understanding the prophecies.
And understanding what is it that we are doing in this life, and what is it that is happening, and is it that will happen, and how everything is connected.

Is this idea of the fig tree, the man who sit upon the tree, the leaves, the branches, the seasons, the fruits. It is spread all over the Bible.

"Master what will be the sign of your return?"
And then he talks about the fig fruits being mature as if this was the first signal to look forward, when in reality it seems like the LAST THING that will happen.
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Christ is not here, when He returns it will not be in the flesh As that was done way with and all will see and hear Him return, it will be no secret and prior to His return there is NO secret rapture return.
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Yes, but this refers to the end of the end of the prophecies.

But I want to understand who are the other characters that are already on the earth, in the flesh.

I want to relate the person I know, with the characters on the prophecies.

We already ruled out its not the Christ, and it cant be the Christ for other reasons.

No man can point the finger and say he is here, or he is there. When it comes, people will know by themselves.
At the same time, the Christ is just one of the "figures", the very last one to appear and be seen.

Before that, it will be asked of believers that they are able to identify many things. So it goes beyond believing, keeping the commandments, not practice of any sin that lead unto death, and loving your brothers and sisters.

There are signs already. Some are fake, some are real. Its time for christians to start paying attention.

Ive spot this male, that is clearly sent by God. Currently inactive, but broke some ever stablished Paradigms on the Matrix as if it was nothing and nobody knows how. This man is clearly working for God. He played, and/or is to play a role in the future.
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So, how did he break the paradigms? Are you saying he posts on GLP, and through that venue he did this?

And, what do you mean by currently inactive?
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* hello, is this thing on? *
Saptaparna ~
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~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.
~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?
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Hi Ceti,
I remote viewed under many levels under the Vatican too. It was hot as hell down below there.
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...i was spun out of Operation Paperclip...my 2 bloodlines are the Grail and the Vril which just means ESP and PSI abilities...it has nothing to do with false religious history...most still haven't figured out if we tell the lies loud enough and the lies long enough they will believe the lies as being true told to them generation after generation...the lies are the surface meanings of EVERY religious text ever written and the way histories were created...
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yep, i was shown all the lies a long time ago, and I was shown all the things they hide down in the abyss of the harlot.
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...shhhhh, we dont talk about the machine,1rof1
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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I think I know that the 2nd Christ is here on Earth in the flesh. Lets talk about it.
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the biggest clue as to who he is ,is the little scroll he has ,that has everyone's name in it. Is your name in his book?
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Christ is not here, when He returns it will not be in the flesh As that was done way with and all will see and hear Him return, it will be no secret and prior to His return there is NO secret rapture return.
 Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228


Yes, but this refers to the end of the end of the prophecies.

But I want to understand who are the other characters that are already on the earth, in the flesh.

I want to relate the person I know, with the characters on the prophecies.

We already ruled out its not the Christ, and it cant be the Christ for other reasons.

No man can point the finger and say he is here, or he is there. When it comes, people will know by themselves.
At the same time, the Christ is just one of the "figures", the very last one to appear and be seen.

Before that, it will be asked of believers that they are able to identify many things. So it goes beyond believing, keeping the commandments, not practice of any sin that lead unto death, and loving your brothers and sisters.

There are signs already. Some are fake, some are real. Its time for christians to start paying attention.

Ive spot this male, that is clearly sent by God. Currently inactive, but broke some ever stablished Paradigms on the Matrix as if it was nothing and nobody knows how. This man is clearly working for God. He played, and/or is to play a role in the future.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27122171


So, how did he break the paradigms? Are you saying he posts on GLP, and through that venue he did this?

And, what do you mean by currently inactive?
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inactive = "and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
James 2:27

That is what he is doing.
Journalists = Spotters

He broke the paradigms by proving Gods existence through the area of knowledge he exceeds on.
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Waterman, what is your take on the parable of the Mature Fig Tree?

I think the mature fig tree represent the believers who are "ready", those who had the patience of the saints, those who overcame the world.

Right now, I think we are not there yet.



I think that before this happen, other passages of the Bible, apparently unrelated, also use the parable of the fig tree, but in a different chronologic point.

Such as the wild fig tree shaking, and some natural branches breaking falling, only to be graffled... wich then could lead to getting closer to the mature fig trees, shortly after.

This I read in Romans 11


And then, there are passages about the fig tree, that talk about the season and the leaves of it, wich could be yet another previous indicator of the later two stages. Probably the stage at wich we are now.
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Matthew 24:32-34
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The fig tree is represents Israel. The parable says when the fig tree(Israel) is tender(young) know that summer is near...Israel came back as a nation May 5 1948(summer was near)then it mentions putting forth leaves(to grow), which indicates in 1967(israel is young only 19 years old) the 6 day war where Israel gained control of 967 Israel gained all of the Sinai Penninsula, the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. This more then tripled the total land under control of Israel prior to the war. It goes on to say this generation will not pass til all things are fulfilled. How long is a generation? Psalms 90:10 .)
The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. So it says 80 years tops is a generation. We start from the year Israel came back which is 1948 and add 80 for the maximum date and get 2028.That is the maximum I think it will actually start in the fall of 2013 I believe there is a 7 year tribulation but I also think there is a 42 month furnace of affliction or time of jacobs trouble before the 7 years..most think jacobs trouble is in the 7 years but I think it is 42 months prior and the war of Gog and Magog against Israel I see that being the hidden spiritual Israel(lost 10 tribes united states) being destroyed. Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel(united states) shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years: They are buring weapons for 7 years so this gog magog war is apparently prior to the 7 year trib and I believe that is the 42 month period prior to the 7 year tribulation.
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days(years): be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10)

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Christ is not here, when He returns it will not be in the flesh As that was done way with and all will see and hear Him return, it will be no secret and prior to His return there is NO secret rapture return.
 Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228


Yes, but this refers to the end of the end of the prophecies.

But I want to understand who are the other characters that are already on the earth, in the flesh.

I want to relate the person I know, with the characters on the prophecies.

We already ruled out its not the Christ, and it cant be the Christ for other reasons.

No man can point the finger and say he is here, or he is there. When it comes, people will know by themselves.
At the same time, the Christ is just one of the "figures", the very last one to appear and be seen.

Before that, it will be asked of believers that they are able to identify many things. So it goes beyond believing, keeping the commandments, not practice of any sin that lead unto death, and loving your brothers and sisters.

There are signs already. Some are fake, some are real. Its time for christians to start paying attention.

Ive spot this male, that is clearly sent by God. Currently inactive, but broke some ever stablished Paradigms on the Matrix as if it was nothing and nobody knows how. This man is clearly working for God. He played, and/or is to play a role in the future.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27122171


So, how did he break the paradigms? Are you saying he posts on GLP, and through that venue he did this?

And, what do you mean by currently inactive?
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inactive = "and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
James 2:27

That is what he is doing.
Journalists = Spotters

He broke the paradigms by proving Gods existence through the area of knowledge he exceeds on.
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And, what is that area of knowledge? Does he publish this stuff, or where did you see his 'knowledge'?
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it is much more simple Op

it is about an energy that is returning to restore the balance
it has already returned
it was spoken of in all the cultures of the world
basic symbols which connect from culture to culture and point to the same event
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So, where did you see this guy, OP?
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Is Michael Lee Hall the person you are speaking of, OP? If so, you can go ahead and post it. Hell, he's claimed he is the Enki's messenger and something else. I'll have to look it up.

No, that can't be right because you said this guy was not from North America.

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~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.
~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?
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So, where did you see this guy, OP?
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op "thinks" he knows what a contradiction!he don't know him,he's a wanna be just like the rest!rockonmilitia

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