I think I know that the 2nd Christ is here on Earth in the flesh. Lets talk about it.

How about this you have her come on GLP to answer questions.

What would she think about that?

Sorry for hijacking your thread OP. I meant no malice.

Frankly, I posted here because it seemed like a friendly thread. If I were to make another post about this, I'd be afraid of the barrage of abuse I'd face.

If you post it.

I will play defense and protect you.

I was thinking that people on this topic were operating under the premise that we already know that TPTB will do regarding the spirituality/female/mother.

Thats not what God refered to "deceive even the ellect".

That cant fool any Christian.

Now, the guy Im thinking about is the real danger to christians, because he has been prepared by God and can potentially deceive his own people.

you mentioned something about astrological signs in your first posts? could you enlarge upon what type of signs?

The rib was takin' from men to make him always want her.

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Why do people always quote the religious books verbatim and insist that every word of it is an absolute? It is not and all you are doing is denying your own connection with God by putting another layer in between you and God. God wants you to refer to it for guidance but speak directly to God. THAT is how you walk with God and develop your relationship.

It's just so disheartening. These books that were meant to help us, hinder us by keeping us away from our power and our God.

Promise? I am feeling a little anxious and overwhelmed.

I Promise

Ok let's go then.

You can do it!

she is the woman of purple and scarlet who is dressed in fancy garb, not the Bride of Christ.

...i remote view both the past and the future including the correct metaphor versions the Vatican has locked up in its vaults...never mind about the rest,i deleted..

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Hi Ceti,
I remote viewed under many levels under the Vatican too. It was hot as hell down below there.

It is ZAKK!

Yes I am here now

John 3
Apart from the clear message of keeping the commandments, not sinning, loving one another, there seems to be clues for recognizing the second comming of the Lord. One of them is not using the terminology of Christ. It matches the idea that the Lord will not come to save from sins, so its not called the Christ. This is incredible. Basically it tells you not expect someone who comes to save us from our sins!

Maybe thats why one cant point the finger to "the Christ". Because there wont be any salvation from sins and we should not be expecting that.

Talks about "the son of god manifested", as if creating a counter point for him being NOT manifested when he comes as the Lord.

It creates a series of conditions:
since you know the truth (or you should know if you followed the way, i.e. all the carefully placed clues on this book)

[wich should raise eyebrows, because there are so many clues and puzzles and interpretations and indications of people not understanding, not hearing, not seeing, not having wisdom, being in darkness and so on to the point that you ask yourself, how come the culture never mentions how cryptic the Bible is, because its a feat of itself]

Wich also lets clear that there will be deception and the people who really didnt "got the message" will fall for it. But its not that what will happen in real life will be great wonders and miracles that will deceive people only. It seems like the Bible itself plays a role by being the way it is, so that there are many locks, keys and layers of understanding.

And then it continues

"the world knoweth us not, because it him it not". The Sons of God were not known. But its not talking about christians only, this Gospel is of John the Baptist, wich had the spirit of the prophecy. So it this "knoweth us not", might mean "therefore the world DID NOT RECOGNIZED US".

And that seems to be sense of that part of the Gospel, give clues so that people could "knoweth", but in the sense of identify, recognize, diferentiate.

And then it goes (John 3:2) "Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

This "not yet appear what we shall be" might indicate the remmants sons of God alone, or it might include also the angels (if they dwell amongst us).

"when he shall appear" to me its clear, its about the 2nd comming, the return of the Lord.

now the last part is the most important: "if you are like him, then you will see him, AS HE IS".

This indicate that everyone who is not like him, WILL NOT SEE HIM AS HE IS.

So many people might be thinking about some grandiose, glorious return. But what this imply, is that most will not recognize him, because IT WILL LOOK LIKE HE IS A NOBODY.

But then again, if YOU ARE LIKE HIM, then you CAN recognize him.

Now, knowing all the story of Jesus Christ from the first time, if he were to come again, "without being manifested" (wich will be mentioned a little later on the scripture), how would he be like? And then you have to imagine a cross over of ortodox semite jew with true/hardcore/fundamentalist/scripturalist christian. Wich is completelly different from the Christ, or "manifested form", or the one described with special effects "heavens scrolling open and bright light..."

At John 3:6, it seems to indicate again, that those who sinned, or were in sin, did not know him. But if you keep interpreting "know" as "recognize/identify", then its a clear message saying, THOSE WHO ARE IN SIN WILL NOT RECOGNIZE HIM.

And it keeps talking about the FIRST comming of the Lord as him being MANIFESTED. But then you think, "why is scripture telling me that?" It doesnt have any other purpose unless it is to create a counter paralel to say that "When he comes the second time, it is not to remove the sins, therefore he will not be manifested!"

John 3:9 is a circling argument, if you are born of god you dont sin, and you keep your seed, and you cannot sin, because you are born of God. This is to reinforce the idea of not Sin, but also indicates the need to keep "the seed". Maybe it refers to the "life", to the "connection with God". The 777 as opposed to the 666, and if you lose the seed, you go from 777 to 666, through Sin. Something like that I heard earlier on the thread. I dont saw it on the Bible though.

John 3:10, talks about being manifested BY KEEPING THE SEED, i.e. Not sinning. But also by being righteous and loving their brothers.

This goes right back into Malachi 4:5-6. Wich states that in the later days Elijah would come back to turn the hearts of the father back to the children and vice-versa, or a curse.

The pupose of this last servant of Isaiah 42 which is not Jesus is to bring the two houses of Israel back together as it was in the time of king David and to feed the people during the 7 year famine of the word of God just as the Joseph story is about him feeding the people during the physical famine because in the bible you always have the physical first and then the spiritual in the end.

several disciples are...and know why.

christ...not quite yet.

Im now thinking the guy I know could be the Lord, not manifested.

If the person im thinking is the same person you are thinking, and its role is really to be a servant of Isaiah (wich I havent read yet), then the northern house of Israel is not US, or UK. But something else, because this guy Im speaking about is from somewhere else.

So for the northern house of Israel to be US or UK, then it has to be 2 different people that are "from God". Are you thinking of someone that you heard on any other thread?


But he is still a jew, but not by nationality.

So Im not thinking of the King of Kings.
But the once and future King.

The Lord, but not the Christ.

Jesus was the Lord and the Christ.

Now, by reading John 3 there is a clear distinction between the "coming of the Lord" and the "coming of the Christ".

Or the Son of Man manifested = Christ, and the Son of Man non manifested = still the Lord.

The different terminologies.

The living God, God, Son of Man, Son of God, Sons of God, the Father, the Lord, The once and future King, the King of Kings

It is very specific. And confusing.

So when the word Saviour, or Christ, or Annointed is mentioned is one thing. When Holy Ghost, or the Spirit, is another...

Its like one has to read the Bible many times to start understanding.

When moses was in the desert there was a rock that gave forth water and God told moses to strike the rock once.
The rock represented Jesus, as Jesus gives living water. Moses struck the rock and it gave forth water. this is representing Jesus being struck for our sins on the cross. Another day came and God said speak to the rock and it will give forth water. Instead of speaking to the rock Moses struck the rock 2 more times and because of this Moses didn't enter the promise land. Jesus didn't need to be sacraficed or struck again so this is the reason
for the two witnesses in the end.
Here is 2 examples of Moses playing the part of God to the people:

Exodus 4:14-16
14 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know
that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in
his heart. 15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

Exodus 7:1
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

Now go to Dueteronomy 18:15-19
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

verse 15 and 16 Moses is speaking in the place of God saying I will raise up a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy bretheren, like unto me;......so that would be Jesus because Jesus is like God and moses is speaking in the place of God. Divide these verses correctly and you will see this last moshiach or prophet that is to come. The reason God sent Jesus was because the people were afraid when God came like a great fire.

now lets go to verse 17-19:
It starts out moses speaking and saying The Lord said unto me.....so now Moses isn't playing the part of God to the people here Moses is playing the part of a regular man because God is speaking to Moses. Now verse 18 God is still speaking to Moses and God says I will raise up a prophet from among their bretheren, like unto thee(like moses not like God), and I will put my words in his mouth: and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. verse 19 and it shall come to pass, that whosever will not harken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.......(This is that last day moshiach)

I thank you for posting that.

John 5:6-12 gets it clear the connection between

the truth, the life, the way, the witness, the spirit

And when you go back to the Genesis, when God says about "if you eat from the fruit you SHALL SURELLY DIE".

In many verses, when God talks about life, he is talkinga about that component of connection to him, and the spirit.

It is taught with certain logic as to be scientific, metaphysic law, but with simple terms we could understand.

So when we got the Saviour, the Christ, the first time, the mechanics of salvation/universe got translated into believing in him, his sacrifice, his water, his spirit and his blood.

The fountain of living waters you just quoted. Matches the "Im the truth, the way and the life".

It is repeated over and over in similar ways, through different terminology across the whole Bible.

Whenever God talks about life, its about this.
When they want to talk about what we were taught to understand as life and death, they use "asleep/sleep". You are not alive when you are born of water, or water and blood, but water, blood and spirit. Thats why the baptism in water. Or the reason to be "reborn in Jesus Christ".

There is a reason for all that.

"He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

Wich is believing (and keeping all the commandments and not sinning, And loving one another). And then he talks about the witness as the one who believes on the Son of God. And calls a liar whoever doesnt believes. So the wording "witness" could be synonimous/paralel of "truth".

Relates Spirit with witness. Witness as opposed of liar. And then "Spirit is truth".

And it also related spirit, water and blood. "even Jesus Christ" so it tells us that it came of flesh.

Adam is Gods first born and scripture says that Israel is Gods firstborn Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn We know Adam went into a deep sleep that Eve could come forth. So Adam and Eve are a foreshadow of the house of Israel separating after king solomon.The northern kingdom represents Eve(the gentile). The southern kingdom represents Adam(the jew). Just as Adam was asleep when Eve was awake, so are the jews asleep to the fact that Jesus is their salvation(tree of life). Eve gave Adam from the (tree of good and evil) in the beginning of the story. At the end of the bible Eve(gentile christian) gives Adam(Jew) from the tree of life(Jesus Christ) and life in re-instated When Elijah comes the scripture says he will turn the heart of the father to the children and the heart of the children to the father. Who are the fathers? The fathers are those that teach the truth. What is the truth, Jesus Christ said " I am the way, the truth and the life and not man comes to the father but by me. So the fathers are those who teach Jesus Christ crucified, rose again 3 days later and is the atonement for sin. The children are those who receive this truth. You can see a chain of events, The father(teachers of truth) and the children(recievers of truth) heart become one, then Israel(christian) and Judah(jew) turn their heart toward one another, which in turn represent Adam turning his heart toward Eve and Even turning her heart toward Adam that they become one again...that they can turn their heart toward God and God can turn His heart toward them and all is finished and complete!! (The last day servant represents Adam and the other witness represents Eve just as Moses and Aaron were a shadow of the same thing)

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John 5:20

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

My interpretation of this is clear.

The Son of God is come, +understanding, that we may know (RECOGNIZE) him that is True (and not deception); and we are in him that is true, just like in Son Jesus Christ.

HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME GUY. The one who is come, that will be recognized by the christians, is the Son of God, like his Son Jesus Christ.

"This is the true God".

And then, to make sure people dont get deceived, it says on John 5:21

"Little Children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen."

There is a clear message on the entire Gospel of John about the return of "Son of God", the Lord that is NOT manifested.

Wich is clearly not the same entity as the Christ, or the Christ expected from the "heavens opening like scrolls".

And this is the guy I think Im talking about. This is the guy that might be the Nobody. The one that christians/jews would spot in an instant.

...i was spun out of Operation Paperclip...my 2 bloodlines are the Grail and the Vril which just means ESP and PSI abilities...it has nothing to do with false religious history...most still haven't figured out if we tell the lies loud enough and the lies long enough they will believe the lies as being true told to them generation after generation...the lies are the surface meanings of EVERY religious text ever written and the way histories were created...

All things were made by him
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, wich lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.




The Bible says Jesus was the Light. And then goes even to say redundantly that he was the TRUE LIGHT.

Its clearly hinting at other/s non true light.

There goes the Lucifer is the Christ, or Lucifer is Jesus or Lucifer is the Light theories.