I think I know that the 2nd Christ is here on Earth in the flesh. Lets talk about it.

John 3
Apart from the clear message of keeping the commandments, not sinning, loving one another, there seems to be clues for recognizing the second comming of the Lord. One of them is not using the terminology of Christ. It matches the idea that the Lord will not come to save from sins, so its not called the Christ. This is incredible. Basically it tells you not expect someone who comes to save us from our sins!

Maybe thats why one cant point the finger to "the Christ". Because there wont be any salvation from sins and we should not be expecting that.

Talks about "the son of god manifested", as if creating a counter point for him being NOT manifested when he comes as the Lord.

It creates a series of conditions:
since you know the truth (or you should know if you followed the way, i.e. all the carefully placed clues on this book)

[wich should raise eyebrows, because there are so many clues and puzzles and interpretations and indications of people not understanding, not hearing, not seeing, not having wisdom, being in darkness and so on to the point that you ask yourself, how come the culture never mentions how cryptic the Bible is, because its a feat of itself]

Wich also lets clear that there will be deception and the people who really didnt "got the message" will fall for it. But its not that what will happen in real life will be great wonders and miracles that will deceive people only. It seems like the Bible itself plays a role by being the way it is, so that there are many locks, keys and layers of understanding.

And then it continues

"the world knoweth us not, because it him it not". The Sons of God were not known. But its not talking about christians only, this Gospel is of John the Baptist, wich had the spirit of the prophecy. So it this "knoweth us not", might mean "therefore the world DID NOT RECOGNIZED US".

And that seems to be sense of that part of the Gospel, give clues so that people could "knoweth", but in the sense of identify, recognize, diferentiate.

And then it goes (John 3:2) "Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

This "not yet appear what we shall be" might indicate the remmants sons of God alone, or it might include also the angels (if they dwell amongst us).

"when he shall appear" to me its clear, its about the 2nd comming, the return of the Lord.

now the last part is the most important: "if you are like him, then you will see him, AS HE IS".

This indicate that everyone who is not like him, WILL NOT SEE HIM AS HE IS.

So many people might be thinking about some grandiose, glorious return. But what this imply, is that most will not recognize him, because IT WILL LOOK LIKE HE IS A NOBODY.

But then again, if YOU ARE LIKE HIM, then you CAN recognize him.

Now, knowing all the story of Jesus Christ from the first time, if he were to come again, "without being manifested" (wich will be mentioned a little later on the scripture), how would he be like? And then you have to imagine a cross over of ortodox semite jew with true/hardcore/fundamentalist/scripturalist christian. Wich is completelly different from the Christ, or "manifested form", or the one described with special effects "heavens scrolling open and bright light..."

At John 3:6, it seems to indicate again, that those who sinned, or were in sin, did not know him. But if you keep interpreting "know" as "recognize/identify", then its a clear message saying, THOSE WHO ARE IN SIN WILL NOT RECOGNIZE HIM.

And it keeps talking about the FIRST comming of the Lord as him being MANIFESTED. But then you think, "why is scripture telling me that?" It doesnt have any other purpose unless it is to create a counter paralel to say that "When he comes the second time, it is not to remove the sins, therefore he will not be manifested!"

John 3:9 is a circling argument, if you are born of god you dont sin, and you keep your seed, and you cannot sin, because you are born of God. This is to reinforce the idea of not Sin, but also indicates the need to keep "the seed". Maybe it refers to the "life", to the "connection with God". The 777 as opposed to the 666, and if you lose the seed, you go from 777 to 666, through Sin. Something like that I heard earlier on the thread. I dont saw it on the Bible though.

John 3:10, talks about being manifested BY KEEPING THE SEED, i.e. Not sinning. But also by being righteous and loving their brothers.

This goes right back into Malachi 4:5-6. Wich states that in the later days Elijah would come back to turn the hearts of the father back to the children and vice-versa, or a curse.

The pupose of this last servant of Isaiah 42 which is not Jesus is to bring the two houses of Israel back together as it was in the time of king David and to feed the people during the 7 year famine of the word of God just as the Joseph story is about him feeding the people during the physical famine because in the bible you always have the physical first and then the spiritual in the end.

Hi Ceti,
I remote viewed under many levels under the Vatican too. It was hot as hell down below there.

...i was spun out of Operation Paperclip...my 2 bloodlines are the Grail and the Vril which just means ESP and PSI abilities...it has nothing to do with false religious history...most still haven't figured out if we tell the lies loud enough and the lies long enough they will believe the lies as being true told to them generation after generation...the lies are the surface meanings of EVERY religious text ever written and the way histories were created...

Why is Elijah told to be one of the two witnesses? Because Elijah represent a type of forerunner to the other witnesses, just as John the baptist with the Elijah spirit was a forerunner to Jesus. The other witness is the servant found in Isaiah 42 which has been misinterpreted. as Jesus. Don't get me wrong Jesus is the only one through whom salvation comes but some verses people contribute to Jesus are not Jesus but the last day servant(2nd christ):
Here is an example: Isaiah 42 most people think this is Jesus but if you notice it is Jesus who is speaking: Because we know Jesus is the CREATOR of everything according to the bible:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

I will highlight the areas that prove Jesus is speaking:
Verse 5: We know Jesus created the heavens and earth
Verse 6: This servant is "a light" to the gentiles...Jesus isn't "a" light Jesus is "the light" John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Acts 13:47 Paul and Barnabas was a light
King James Version (KJV)
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
The verses in Isaiah 49 are not talking about Paul and Barnabas because paul states in Acts 13:47 the Lord commanded "us" (plural) to be a light. In Isaiah 49:6 the Lord states I will give "thee"(singular) for a light!

Verse 19: This servant is called Blind...Jesus was never blind as he was about His "Fathers business at the age of 12"
Isaiah 42
King James Version (KJV)
42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, and a light for the Gentiles
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.
13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.
16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant?
20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?
24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.
25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to

All things were made by him
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, wich lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.




The Bible says Jesus was the Light. And then goes even to say redundantly that he was the TRUE LIGHT.

Its clearly hinting at other/s non true light.

Christ is not here, when He returns it will not be in the flesh As that was done way with and all will see and hear Him return, it will be no secret and prior to His return there is NO secret rapture return.

Yes, but this refers to the end of the end of the prophecies.

But I want to understand who are the other characters that are already on the earth, in the flesh.

I want to relate the person I know, with the characters on the prophecies.

We already ruled out its not the Christ, and it cant be the Christ for other reasons.

No man can point the finger and say he is here, or he is there. When it comes, people will know by themselves.
At the same time, the Christ is just one of the "figures", the very last one to appear and be seen.

Before that, it will be asked of believers that they are able to identify many things. So it goes beyond believing, keeping the commandments, not practice of any sin that lead unto death, and loving your brothers and sisters.

There are signs already. Some are fake, some are real. Its time for christians to start paying attention.

Ive spot this male, that is clearly sent by God. Currently inactive, but broke some ever stablished Paradigms on the Matrix as if it was nothing and nobody knows how. This man is clearly working for God. He played, and/or is to play a role in the future.

yep, i was shown all the lies a long time ago, and I was shown all the things they hide down in the abyss of the harlot.

I think I know that the 2nd Christ is here on Earth in the flesh. Lets talk about it.

So, how did he break the paradigms? Are you saying he posts on GLP, and through that venue he did this?

And, what do you mean by currently inactive?

Waterman, what is your take on the parable of the Mature Fig Tree?

I think the mature fig tree represent the believers who are "ready", those who had the patience of the saints, those who overcame the world.

Right now, I think we are not there yet.



I think that before this happen, other passages of the Bible, apparently unrelated, also use the parable of the fig tree, but in a different chronologic point.

Such as the wild fig tree shaking, and some natural branches breaking falling, only to be graffled... wich then could lead to getting closer to the mature fig trees, shortly after.

This I read in Romans 11


And then, there are passages about the fig tree, that talk about the season and the leaves of it, wich could be yet another previous indicator of the later two stages. Probably the stage at wich we are now.

inactive = "and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
James 2:27

That is what he is doing.
Journalists = Spotters

He broke the paradigms by proving Gods existence through the area of knowledge he exceeds on.

So, where did you see this guy, OP?