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The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013

 
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Obama Nation of Desolation?
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
The nation of Israel was established in 1947. According to the RSV of the Holy Bible, 70 years are to pass until the end of desolations. We are already IN the last 7 year period called the "tribulation"! The end of transgressions is to come sometime in the year 2017 (1947 plus 70 years) according to the present calendar we use.
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Very much correct. Father has told me, that there are only several years left.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Great thread OP 5 stars and pin!!

Question.... do you think this is the first 3 1/2 years that the Christian's have to go through - then the rapture, thus the possible population reduction? I sure hope so.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


There isn't going to be a Rapture.
That's pre-millenialist pipe dream.

bonghit
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It really is. It's only for those weak in faith and direction. If it were true, it would have happened BEFORE the AC was revealed. Well, here everyone is. God is no Respecter of persons. If no one else got raptured, of the which these men were far more greater with/in God than ourselves, why would the most wicked of generations get a free pass? 1 Peter Ch4 (KJV) says enough by itself.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
how, exactly, did you get from 70 weeks to 70 years?

I be confuse.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
There is an illuminati card that is called "Populaation reduction" and it shows a skull of death cloud coming over a city and the face has a 322 going clockwise around the facee. Always thought it was wierd representing the date 3/22 or MArch 22nd that something big and deadly is planned to happen one of these years.
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Thanks for reminding me about that! I've seen the card ,and it's just plain creepy.
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daniel speaks of the "Bath of the Ischaar" but unless people accept the Bible is mistranslated from hebrew to other languages they never grasp the truth.
English Bibles say "daughter of the woman".this things go and causes destruction.It isnt a daughter of a woman.It is a dry thermonuclear bomb.
I could tell so much but I cannot because as soon as I try i am abused or ridiculed.I just sit back and wait.What is about to hit this earth is beyond the expectations of all people.
I want to tell.I want to warn.I trued.But they mock me.They abuse me.they say i am a liar.I have never asked anyone to give me anything,just to listen and to turn fully to God.that is all.
Yet in their pride they think they KNOW ALL the truth and I can know nothing of the truth.God speaks to them but would never speak to me.that is what they think.
I can prove that video is incorrect.daniel says after 62 weeks Messiah is cut off.That happened when Jesus was crucified.the order to rebuild was in 401BC.
the 7 weeks (49 years) ends in 2016 as the order to restore was in 1967.It is also overlapping and dates from 1960 and ends in 2009 which is the beginning of the last week.
the middle is indeed in 2013.However many claim satan will walk into a temple blah blah blah.
The man of sin will soon be revealed.
SOON!But first sacrifice and oblation ends.Just as isaiah22 says.Just as Jesus says.
God bless.Pray it is ALL that can or will save you.Forget guns,food stockpiles etc.PRAYER is all that can sustain you.
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I feel what you are saying, something dire is going to happen nobody will be prepared. Email me lovepanerai@gmail.com
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
Thanks for posting. I started to research this years ago but got side tracked.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
For followup in March
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
It is my understanding that the seal judgements take place in the first 3.5 years of the trib. You, and many others, are suggesting that we are nearly at the end of the 1st 3.5 year period, yet by the 4th seal scripture clearly states that 1/4 of all living things will have been killed. This does not even include the persecution in the 5th seal, or the natural disasters in the 6th.

Clearly these things have not happened yet.

This theory doesn't fit with scripture.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
The nation of Israel was established in 1947. According to the RSV of the Holy Bible, 70 years are to pass until the end of desolations. We are already IN the last 7 year period called the "tribulation"! The end of transgressions is to come sometime in the year 2017 (1947 plus 70 years) according to the present calendar we use.
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Yes, the AoD is the State of Israel(counter to the Talmudic oaths the Hebrews made with God).

Makes sense.
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Thread: **1947** The Most Mysterious year of the 20th century

Thread: THE ALIEN INVASION OF 1947 ( ROSWELL) HAS CHANGED OUR WORLD

Thread: 1947...




Crabwood:::

59 lines horizontal resolution in "picture" of "alien".
33 concentric lines of code in disc.



59 X 33 = 1947

The numbers 33 and 1947 both have a lot of significance.

The message disc was halved by the one length of "picture" frame.

Add 33 to 1947..then 1/2 of 33 (16.5) to 1980..then 1/2 of 16.5 (8.25) to 1996.5 and so on.


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Translation of the CRABwood message

"Beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises. Much pain but still time. Believe. There is good out there. We oppose deception. Conduit closing"


Thread: The Answer lies in Cancer.



Fear not.


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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
The abomination of desolation already happened. It is the DOME OF THE ROCK. 1290 years after the animal sacrifces were stopped at the temple mount the Dome of the Rock was built.

The inscription on the inside of the dome is blasphemy at its best...

"In the name of God, the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no god but God. He is One. He has no associate. Unto Him belongeth sovereignty and unto Him belongeth praise. He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He has Power over all things. Muhammad is the servant of God and His Messenger."

"nor utter aught concerning God save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of God, and His Word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and say not 'Three' - Cease! (it is) "
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Great thread OP 5 stars and pin!!

Question.... do you think this is the first 3 1/2 years that the Christian's have to go through - then the rapture, thus the possible population reduction? I sure hope so.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


There isn't going to be a Rapture.
That's pre-millenialist pipe dream.

bonghit
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There's already been a "rapture" in the past. As there will be more to come. Just because you're either blind and or stupid to comprehend that doesn't change that truth.

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Repent for The Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand.
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Great thread OP 5 stars and pin!!

Question.... do you think this is the first 3 1/2 years that the Christian's have to go through - then the rapture, thus the possible population reduction? I sure hope so.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


There isn't going to be a Rapture.
That's pre-millenialist pipe dream.

bonghit
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There's already been a "rapture" in the past. As there will be more to come. Just because you're either blind and or stupid to comprehend that doesn't change that truth.

afro
afroafroafroafroafroafroafroafroafro
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Just because people don't beleive in your silly doctrine doesn't mean that they are stupid.

Have you been caught away yet?Have the dead in Christ rose and you see Jesus coming back in the clouds?Nope i thought not..the rapture hasn't happened yet and won't happen until the signs are fulfilled
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Great thread OP 5 stars and pin!!

Question.... do you think this is the first 3 1/2 years that the Christian's have to go through - then the rapture, thus the possible population reduction? I sure hope so.
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There will be somewhat of a population reduction at the rapture, but sadly I don't think it'll be a big number.

But the Great Tribulation will kill off most of the world's population (maybe around 75%), so that will be an extreme population reduction.
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Any comments?
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I don't understand the math. How does 2009+3.5=2013? That would normally = 2012.5

I could however see how 2017-3.5=2013.5

It's my understanding that the Antichrist will sign or confirm an agreement, perhaps a peace treaty, with Israel that is supposed to last 7 years. And half-way thru that 7 years, he'll make the Jewish Temple sacrifice cease. He'll stand in the rebuilt Temple and declare himself to be god. He'll also perhaps erect a statue or something of himself in the Temple and demand that people worship him or his image there in the Temple. (Abomination of Desolation)

Has a 7 yr peace treaty been signed with Israel over the last few years? No.

Has the Jewish Temple been rebuilt yet? No.

It seems we have a couple more signs to see first before the ObamaNation of Desolation takes place.

For me, I'm keeping my eyes on this years' Passover and Resurrection Sunday. It could be a memorable one. (I don't use the pagan word 'Easter')

Passover this year will be: March 26-April 1
And Resurrection Sunday will be: March 31
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Great thread OP 5 stars and pin!!

Question.... do you think this is the first 3 1/2 years that the Christian's have to go through - then the rapture, thus the possible population reduction? I sure hope so.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


There isn't going to be a Rapture.
That's pre-millenialist pipe dream.

bonghit
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It really is. It's only for those weak in faith and direction. If it were true, it would have happened BEFORE the AC was revealed. Well, here everyone is. God is no Respecter of persons. If no one else got raptured, of the which these men were far more greater with/in God than ourselves, why would the most wicked of generations get a free pass? 1 Peter Ch4 (KJV) says enough by itself.
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It's not a pipe dream at all. There is very solid biblical support for a pre-Tribulation rapture, despite what all the haters think or push over onto people.

And it's not for the weak of faith or direction at all. Once the AoD takes place, a simple study of Daniel will tell you when the day of our Lord's return at the Battle of Armageddon will be. There's no worries about being right with God at that time, for you can count the days until the Lord's Return after the AoD.

But if you love God and people, and want your loved ones to go to heaven and avoid the judgement of God during the Tribulation, then you will want all your loved ones to get saved before the rapture happens.

If your heart is right with God, you won't be sitting around waiting for your escape, you'll be out winning as many souls as possible for Christ before Yeshua(Jesus) takes you away. After that, all those who are still lost and left behind will suffer God's judgment. If you have a heart for people, you will not want this to happen.

And I don't think the Antichrist has been revealed yet. Many people like to think that BO is him, but he doesn't seem to fill all the requirements. The Jewish people will believe this character to be their messiah. I don't see that happening with BO. Maybe BO will be the knowing or unknowing predecessor of the Antichrist as he tries to set everything up for him for when he comes.

Or alternatively, maybe Satan will so completely deceive the Jewish people that they will come to believe anything. But they are not there yet.

God is no respector of persons, but He does distinguish between the wheat and the tares(weeds), the saved children of God and the unsaved. And He has been known to separate them from time to time. And He will do so again.

Fortunately for us, we don't have to compare ourselves against the great men of God from long ago. It's because we are not justified by our works, but by faith alone in Yeshua. He is our justification, and He is much greater than all the imperfect great men of God from long ago. His sacrifice is the only reason we will ever go to heaven at all. We will not earn a 'free pass', but rather we will do what God wills us to do. If God wants us to go to heaven, we go. Just pray that if and when the rapture time comes, that God will snatch you up to heaven whether you believe in the rapture or not.

And yes, Peter wrote of the suffering that Christians must endure, and that's very true. Christians are persecuted every day around the world right now. But must good and true Christians suffer the wrath of God? The Tribulation is going to be full of the wrath of God. His judgments against the earth's inhabitants are what are going to kill about 75% of the planet. Do you feel that you need God's judgment against you?
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
The nation of Israel was established in 1947. According to the RSV of the Holy Bible, 70 years are to pass until the end of desolations. We are already IN the last 7 year period called the "tribulation"! The end of transgressions is to come sometime in the year 2017 (1947 plus 70 years) according to the present calendar we use.
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You are off by one year.

Month of Nov.the time frame of Israel becoming a nation again in 1948.

2018 is the 70th year.

But you are right about the 70 years.

Satan will arrive in the month of April of what year, I do not know.

Those who understood Daniel know the season. There is only four seasons on this earth.
Spring , summer, fall, winter.

hf
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Any comments?
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I don't understand the math. How does 2009+3.5=2013? That would normally = 2012.5

I could however see how 2017-3.5=2013.5

It's my understanding that the Antichrist will sign or confirm an agreement, perhaps a peace treaty, with Israel that is supposed to last 7 years. And half-way thru that 7 years, he'll make the Jewish Temple sacrifice cease. He'll stand in the rebuilt Temple and declare himself to be god. He'll also perhaps erect a statue or something of himself in the Temple and demand that people worship him or his image there in the Temple. (Abomination of Desolation)

Has a 7 yr peace treaty been signed with Israel over the last few years? No.

Has the Jewish Temple been rebuilt yet? No.

It seems we have a couple more signs to see first before the ObamaNation of Desolation takes place.

For me, I'm keeping my eyes on this years' Passover and Resurrection Sunday. It could be a memorable one. (I don't use the pagan word 'Easter')

Passover this year will be: March 26-April 1
And Resurrection Sunday will be: March 31
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Just a bit of insight for ya.

Go read Eze.chapter 28.
Tyrus is one of Satan's names and it is an ancient name.

In that chapter you will see Satan and that he is called a man, and is called a "cherub" so that should make it quite clear for you what Chapter 28 is talking about.

When you see the stones written in verse 13 those are the colors coming off of his body.

I know that most churches teach that Satan will put his evil spirit into some human.
That is part of the deception.

There is only one that is the abomination of desolation because he is the only one that has been judged already.
Again read Eze. 28 to confirm that statement.
No not even the angels spoken of by Paul and also by Jude in verse 6 has been judged yet. Those angels that sinned.

There are two tribs. The first one is when Satan shows up and the second is the vials of God being poured out.

That is the best I can share that on this thread right now without going too deep.
Satan will land 7 miles north of Mt.Zion and will bring 7000 beautiful angels with him. Satan is very beautiful in his appearance.

Christ had shorten that time of Satan or no flesh shall be saved as written in Mark 13.
And if Christ says "Behold I have foretold you ALL things, that you can be assured that He gave the timing of how short Satan will be here before Christ comes to his faithful.
Go read REv. 9:5 and 9:10 and that is the time frame and proof that Christ revealed even the timing or length of time that Christ is going to give to Satan to deceive the world.
Paul tells us in 2 Thess. 2:1,2,3,4 that there will be a falling away of those that believe in Jesus! And that the "man" of sin (it is he who is called a man in Eze. 28 and a cherub> that man who will be revealed. as written by Paul in 2 Thess. 2.

I can assure you that the 7000 spoken of in Romans 11:4 will not bend a knee to "Baal" which is another name for Satan symbolically and they will be filled with the Holy Spirit 3 months before Christ comes. Jesus talked about this in Mark 13:9,10,11 and what they are to do and not do.
And in Mark 13:12 we see that many will deliver their family up to Satan thinking he is Jesus.(Heb. 2:14 defines who "death" is. The devil.

Many many Christians shall fall in the "hour of temptation" because they put their trust into some man and or church system.

Bit long, but it reals a bunch of info.
And the 3 months before Christ coming is what Jesus was telling us in Mark 13:9,10,11.
And it is written. Does anyone know where it is written?
I do. And so does all of those that have the latter day sealing.
hf

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calculation is wrong. I re-did it here, be back later.

Actually I might make a thread for it.
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Good morning Dease/ others here:

To begin to understand this time line, we have to first put away some incorrect teachings that have commonly been passed onto and throughout the Christian community. Before someone gets bent out of shape regarding that statement, I ask that you understand that I, too, was in that category being raised in the Deep South; the very buckle of the Bible Belt. Specifically, I am referring to a "7 Year Great Tribulation", as well as "Pre-Tribulation Rapture".

The ideology of a pre-tribulation rapture stems primarily from Darby in the late 19th Century. As brief an overview as possible: taking advantage of the rampant rate of illiteracy of a time in which most people were only gaining their knowledge of the teachings of The Bible solely by what they were told from behind the podium; the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture was taught as a "fire escape". Specifically, "if you join in our religion, you will not have to endure these trying times where X, Y, or Z will take place". Since there was not the understanding at that time of which we benefit now, prophecy was skewed, taken out of context, taken out of time line, and used as "fuel" for this "fire".

As we now live in the "Time of Understanding" referred to in Daniel 12, we do now understand more of the time line of the prophecies within both the Old and New Testament, as well as the many colorful references, analogies, and metaphors given within.

There is a three and a half (3 1/2) year build up preceding the "actual" time of tribulation. During this time, there is great unrest, death, a fighting among men. It is this time that a great war - The 6th Trumpet War - takes place, in which 1/3 of mankind is killed. That's in the neighborhood of ~2.3 Billion people.

This war I do not believe will be as symmetrical nor conventional as we are accustomed to seeing, nor one primarily of nation against nation, though these will exist at the same time. It will be primarily focused as a War on The Elect, in which the battle of Godly vs. Godlessness, and vice-versa, will be motivating purpose This will entail person against person, though some will hide behind historical covers of their respective nation. During this time, I believe the following will play out:

People against people
Nations against their own people
Nations against nations

This time will bring about great tragedies of death, loss, turmoil, and trauma. These tragedies will result from the aforementioned list, as well as additional disease, famine, and pestilence (all of which I do have my personal beliefs about, as well as how they will come about - but probably better saved for another time). As if these aren't enough, a great demonic presence within this world will exist alongside of and battling against mankind - specific to battle the Elect, and the Elect's Great Commission of sharing and teaching the Word of God.

It is immediately after this time that there exists a false peace, one which is laid at the feet of the Anti-Christ who readily takes credit for the brokerage and bringing about of such.

The point at which the Anti-Christ makes this proclamation - being solely responsible for the new era of peace - that he then eludes to himself as God; this is The Abomination of Desolation.

From this point, and with the gravity of the prior 3 1/2 years, that the Anti-Christ is readily and openly accepted, including his programs (both openly and deceptively) devised to rule the world. These programs or rule include:

One World Religion
One Word Government
One World Monetary System

The single-most important factor for the enforcement of these programs, as well as the open enticement of people to participate in and follow them is "The Mark of The Beast" ("...lest no man buy or sell, save he who has the mark...").

These programs, specifically "The Mark" will be so openly and readily accepted due to the people's experiences in the immediately prior 3 1/2 years. They will be presented as "THE" answer to the war, famine, pestilence, and even in-fighting among people. Each will be bought into by the people as a result of being presented as "for your best interest", and "for your own safety and security".

It is this time - the second 3 1/2 years during the open reign of the Anti-Christ - that the Great Tribulation exists. The events of this time will make the events of the preceding 3 1/2 years, as well as any other time in history, pale in comparison.

It is at the end of this time that the Battle of Armageddon ensues, culminating in the return of our Savior - defeating Satan and those who do his bidding. It is at this time that the Elect will be forever with Christ.

I do hope this has not been too brief or rushed (I did gloss over 7 years here in a few paragraphs), but I do think it necessary to lay the groundwork in order to begin to recognize the events and actions that lay before us in order to now address the point of Dease's thread:

Yes, according to the Bible and the prophecies given within - including the cautionary words of Christ Himself - I do believe it quite possible we are entering into the initial 3 1/2 years that precede "The Great Tribulation". We will experience and be exposed to things we have never conceived, much less ever witnessed before. As previously stated, I do have my beliefs on what these things may be, as well as how they will come about, but to not take away from this thread any further - I'll keep those for now.

Now is the time we need strong men on their knees-
before they're called to stand on the wall.

Godspeed to all of us
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Good morning Dease/ others here:

To begin to understand this time line, we have to first put away some incorrect teachings that have commonly been passed onto and throughout the Christian community. Before someone gets bent out of shape regarding that statement, I ask that you understand that I, too, was in that category being raised in the Deep South; the very buckle of the Bible Belt. Specifically, I am referring to a "7 Year Great Tribulation", as well as "Pre-Tribulation Rapture".

The ideology of a pre-tribulation rapture stems primarily from Darby in the late 19th Century. As brief an overview as possible: taking advantage of the rampant rate of illiteracy of a time in which most people were only gaining their knowledge of the teachings of The Bible solely by what they were told from behind the podium; the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture was taught as a "fire escape". Specifically, "if you join in our religion, you will not have to endure these trying times where X, Y, or Z will take place". Since there was not the understanding at that time of which we benefit now, prophecy was skewed, taken out of context, taken out of time line, and used as "fuel" for this "fire".

As we now live in the "Time of Understanding" referred to in Daniel 12, we do now understand more of the time line of the prophecies within both the Old and New Testament, as well as the many colorful references, analogies, and metaphors given within.

There is a three and a half (3 1/2) year build up preceding the "actual" time of tribulation. During this time, there is great unrest, death, a fighting among men. It is this time that a great war - The 6th Trumpet War - takes place, in which 1/3 of mankind is killed. That's in the neighborhood of ~2.3 Billion people.

This war I do not believe will be as symmetrical nor conventional as we are accustomed to seeing, nor one primarily of nation against nation, though these will exist at the same time. It will be primarily focused as a War on The Elect, in which the battle of Godly vs. Godlessness, and vice-versa, will be motivating purpose This will entail person against person, though some will hide behind historical covers of their respective nation. During this time, I believe the following will play out:

People against people
Nations against their own people
Nations against nations

This time will bring about great tragedies of death, loss, turmoil, and trauma. These tragedies will result from the aforementioned list, as well as additional disease, famine, and pestilence (all of which I do have my personal beliefs about, as well as how they will come about - but probably better saved for another time). As if these aren't enough, a great demonic presence within this world will exist alongside of and battling against mankind - specific to battle the Elect, and the Elect's Great Commission of sharing and teaching the Word of God.

It is immediately after this time that there exists a false peace, one which is laid at the feet of the Anti-Christ who readily takes credit for the brokerage and bringing about of such.

The point at which the Anti-Christ makes this proclamation - being solely responsible for the new era of peace - that he then eludes to himself as God; this is The Abomination of Desolation.

From this point, and with the gravity of the prior 3 1/2 years, that the Anti-Christ is readily and openly accepted, including his programs (both openly and deceptively) devised to rule the world. These programs or rule include:

One World Religion
One Word Government
One World Monetary System

The single-most important factor for the enforcement of these programs, as well as the open enticement of people to participate in and follow them is "The Mark of The Beast" ("...lest no man buy or sell, save he who has the mark...").

These programs, specifically "The Mark" will be so openly and readily accepted due to the people's experiences in the immediately prior 3 1/2 years. They will be presented as "THE" answer to the war, famine, pestilence, and even in-fighting among people. Each will be bought into by the people as a result of being presented as "for your best interest", and "for your own safety and security".

It is this time - the second 3 1/2 years during the open reign of the Anti-Christ - that the Great Tribulation exists. The events of this time will make the events of the preceding 3 1/2 years, as well as any other time in history, pale in comparison.

It is at the end of this time that the Battle of Armageddon ensues, culminating in the return of our Savior - defeating Satan and those who do his bidding. It is at this time that the Elect will be forever with Christ.

I do hope this has not been too brief or rushed (I did gloss over 7 years here in a few paragraphs), but I do think it necessary to lay the groundwork in order to begin to recognize the events and actions that lay before us in order to now address the point of Dease's thread:

Yes, according to the Bible and the prophecies given within - including the cautionary words of Christ Himself - I do believe it quite possible we are entering into the initial 3 1/2 years that precede "The Great Tribulation". We will experience and be exposed to things we have never conceived, much less ever witnessed before. As previously stated, I do have my beliefs on what these things may be, as well as how they will come about, but to not take away from this thread any further - I'll keep those for now.

Now is the time we need strong men on their knees-
before they're called to stand on the wall.

Godspeed to all of us
 Quoting: ClydeX


I want to share this with you. If I say something that you believe is different than what you believe, forgive me for stepping on your belief.

I want you to understand this up front. In the Word God gives the description of what Satan will look like and is important in the "hour of temptation".

Book of Eze. 28 God is describing Satan. He is called a man, and also a "cherub" in that chapter.
All angels that come down except arch angels are called men.
Many believe that some man will be filled with Satan's evil spirit and be the anti-christ. And that is why so many fail to see that the truth of Eze. 28 and will put some "flesh" man as the end time anti-christ.
Satan is the only one judged, not even the angels of Jude 6 has been judged yet. So the abomination of desolation is Satan himself. Read Eze. you see the judgement of God turning Satan into "ashes". Completely destroyed into nothingness.

Now for the second part.
Christ had shorten the time of when Satan is here defacto and tells us in Mark 13:20 or NO flesh shall be saved.
Christ also tells us He foretold us all things. ANd I know the Lord is the KIng of Kings and Lord of Lord full of glory and full of truth.
So if Christ makes the statement that He had shorten the time or no flesh shall be saved, then how much time will Satan have to be here when he comes? It is written and it is quite clear.
Rev. chapter 9 is where you see the time that he has that God gives Satan to fool the whole world that he is God.
Rev. 9:5 and 9:10.
And as you read there see Rev. 9:4 God commands Satan that he can deceive all he wishes , but those that have the seal of God in their foreheads.
The demeanor of Satan will not be to kill anyone , excepts he messes up and kills the two witnesses. Satan will come in peacefully and prosperously making everyone and even many Christians think he is Jesus.

I have more for ya, but I don't want to get into a word battle and all with you.
Christ had shorten the prophecy of Daniel time line of latter day events.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
Any comments?
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I don't understand the math. How does 2009+3.5=2013? That would normally = 2012.5

I could however see how 2017-3.5=2013.5

It's my understanding that the Antichrist will sign or confirm an agreement, perhaps a peace treaty, with Israel that is supposed to last 7 years. And half-way thru that 7 years, he'll make the Jewish Temple sacrifice cease. He'll stand in the rebuilt Temple and declare himself to be god. He'll also perhaps erect a statue or something of himself in the Temple and demand that people worship him or his image there in the Temple. (Abomination of Desolation)

Has a 7 yr peace treaty been signed with Israel over the last few years? No.

Has the Jewish Temple been rebuilt yet? No.

It seems we have a couple more signs to see first before the ObamaNation of Desolation takes place.

For me, I'm keeping my eyes on this years' Passover and Resurrection Sunday. It could be a memorable one. (I don't use the pagan word 'Easter')

Passover this year will be: March 26-April 1
And Resurrection Sunday will be: March 31
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Just a bit of insight for ya.

Go read Eze.chapter 28.
Tyrus is one of Satan's names and it is an ancient name.

In that chapter you will see Satan and that he is called a man, and is called a "cherub" so that should make it quite clear for you what Chapter 28 is talking about.

When you see the stones written in verse 13 those are the colors coming off of his body.

I know that most churches teach that Satan will put his evil spirit into some human.
That is part of the deception.

There is only one that is the abomination of desolation because he is the only one that has been judged already.
Again read Eze. 28 to confirm that statement.
No not even the angels spoken of by Paul and also by Jude in verse 6 has been judged yet. Those angels that sinned.

There are two tribs. The first one is when Satan shows up and the second is the vials of God being poured out.

That is the best I can share that on this thread right now without going too deep.
Satan will land 7 miles north of Mt.Zion and will bring 7000 beautiful angels with him. Satan is very beautiful in his appearance.

Christ had shorten that time of Satan or no flesh shall be saved as written in Mark 13.
And if Christ says "Behold I have foretold you ALL things, that you can be assured that He gave the timing of how short Satan will be here before Christ comes to his faithful.
Go read REv. 9:5 and 9:10 and that is the time frame and proof that Christ revealed even the timing or length of time that Christ is going to give to Satan to deceive the world.
Paul tells us in 2 Thess. 2:1,2,3,4 that there will be a falling away of those that believe in Jesus! And that the "man" of sin (it is he who is called a man in Eze. 28 and a cherub> that man who will be revealed. as written by Paul in 2 Thess. 2.

I can assure you that the 7000 spoken of in Romans 11:4 will not bend a knee to "Baal" which is another name for Satan symbolically and they will be filled with the Holy Spirit 3 months before Christ comes. Jesus talked about this in Mark 13:9,10,11 and what they are to do and not do.
And in Mark 13:12 we see that many will deliver their family up to Satan thinking he is Jesus.(Heb. 2:14 defines who "death" is. The devil.

Many many Christians shall fall in the "hour of temptation" because they put their trust into some man and or church system.

Bit long, but it reals a bunch of info.
And the 3 months before Christ coming is what Jesus was telling us in Mark 13:9,10,11.
And it is written. Does anyone know where it is written?
I do. And so does all of those that have the latter day sealing.
hf
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Ez 28 says that a foreign army kills the King of Tyre.

But Rev 20:10 says that Satan was thrown into the Lake of Fire forever. It says nothing about a foreign army killing Satan.

So therefore The King of Tyre cannot be Satan.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
Everyone keeps using that no man knows when He will return but no one has noticed that the scripture surrounding the event only the Father knows the timing of is the END of EVERYTHING after the 1000 years with the Messiah that has not happened yet. We will not know when the end will be but of the coming of the Messiah he would have us not be in the dark because he called us friend. Those in the dark will not know that the time is near and will be caught unaware and sleeping hence those that know him will not.
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Re: The Abomination Of Desolation : March 22, 2013
Its really sad when Fundie tards call the Jewish Moshiach the Anti Christ

Bring it on Christians !

The Jewish people will raise up a man who will be a great political leader and military strategist. He will be put in place by God himself. And he will restore Torah..and the Beit Hamikdash

HE IS NOT THE ANTI CHRIST !!!!!

REPEAT. MOSHIACH is NOT the ANTI CHRIST !

Youre multi milion publications campaign slandering the one whom the Jewish people will choose is wearing thin, Enough already

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A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH

BY APOLLO


Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies..


Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out !

"Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah"

You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now !

Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach

Principle XII. The era of the Messiah

And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets.

Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles.

3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything .

QOUTE:

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach



-Apollo