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Gnosticism vs Christianity

 
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"To understand Gnosticism, said Hans Jonas, one needs something very much like a musical ear. Such a Gnostic "musical ear" is not come by easily. One person who seemingly possesses it is Professor Clark Emery of the University of Miami. In a small work on William Blake, Emery summarizes twelve points on which Gnostics tended to agree. Nowhere in the current literature have I found anything else so concise and accurate in describing the normative characteristics of the Gnostic mythos. Hence I shall present it here as a suggested collection of criteria that one might apply in determining what Gnosticism is. The following characteristics may be considered normative for all Gnostic teachers and groups in the era of classical Gnosticism; thus one who adheres to some or all of them today might properly be called a Gnostic:

The Gnostics posited an original spiritual unity that came to be split into a plurality.
As a result of the precosmic division the universe was created. This was done by a leader possessing inferior spiritual powers and who often resembled the Old Testament Jehovah.
A female emanation of God was involved in the cosmic creation (albeit in a much more positive role than the leader).
In the cosmos, space and time have a malevolent character and may be personified as demonic beings separating man from God.
For man, the universe is a vast prison. He is enslaved both by the physical laws of nature and by such moral laws as the Mosaic code.
Mankind may be personified as Adam, who lies in the deep sleep of ignorance, his powers of spiritual self-awareness stupefied by materiality.
Within each natural man is an "inner man," a fallen spark of the divine substance. Since this exists in each man, we have the possibility of awakening from our stupefaction.
What effects the awakening is not obedience, faith, or good works, but knowledge.
Before the awakening, men undergo troubled dreams.
Man does not attain the knowledge that awakens him from these dreams by cognition but through revelatory experience, and this knowledge is not information but a modification of the sensate being.
The awakening (i.e., the salvation) of any individual is a cosmic event.
Since the effort is to restore the wholeness and unity of the Godhead, active rebellion against the moral law of the Old Testament is enjoined upon every man."


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Everyone makes it so complicated when it really isn't. Gnosis is the knowing that comes from within. Hence, know thyself. As within, so without.

We do not look without for our answers or spiritual path because that is only the illusion.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV




I would think there is more illusion possible inside, than outside, where reality sits.
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"To understand Gnosticism, said Hans Jonas, one needs something very much like a musical ear. Such a Gnostic "musical ear" is not come by easily. One person who seemingly possesses it is Professor Clark Emery of the University of Miami. In a small work on William Blake, Emery summarizes twelve points on which Gnostics tended to agree. Nowhere in the current literature have I found anything else so concise and accurate in describing the normative characteristics of the Gnostic mythos. Hence I shall present it here as a suggested collection of criteria that one might apply in determining what Gnosticism is. The following characteristics may be considered normative for all Gnostic teachers and groups in the era of classical Gnosticism; thus one who adheres to some or all of them today might properly be called a Gnostic:

The Gnostics posited an original spiritual unity that came to be split into a plurality.
As a result of the precosmic division the universe was created. This was done by a leader possessing inferior spiritual powers and who often resembled the Old Testament Jehovah.
A female emanation of God was involved in the cosmic creation (albeit in a much more positive role than the leader).
In the cosmos, space and time have a malevolent character and may be personified as demonic beings separating man from God.
For man, the universe is a vast prison. He is enslaved both by the physical laws of nature and by such moral laws as the Mosaic code.
Mankind may be personified as Adam, who lies in the deep sleep of ignorance, his powers of spiritual self-awareness stupefied by materiality.
Within each natural man is an "inner man," a fallen spark of the divine substance. Since this exists in each man, we have the possibility of awakening from our stupefaction.
What effects the awakening is not obedience, faith, or good works, but knowledge.
Before the awakening, men undergo troubled dreams.
Man does not attain the knowledge that awakens him from these dreams by cognition but through revelatory experience, and this knowledge is not information but a modification of the sensate being.
The awakening (i.e., the salvation) of any individual is a cosmic event.
Since the effort is to restore the wholeness and unity of the Godhead, active rebellion against the moral law of the Old Testament is enjoined upon every man."


[link to gnosis.org]
 Quoting: K.Kool


Everyone makes it so complicated when it really isn't. Gnosis is the knowing that comes from within. Hence, know thyself. As within, so without.

We do not look without for our answers or spiritual path because that is only the illusion.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV




I would think there is more illusion possible inside, than outside, where reality sits.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream
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Any understanding I may or may not have has been acquired directly; through alchemical stellar gnosticism - which I also call Ancient Future Earth-Star Wisdom...

I don't think Jesus Christ and Gnosticism are in opposition to one another; they are actually complementary and provide context towards greater clarity.

Although I am utilizing a different model than the greater majority; and I equate 'Christ' and the 'Peacock Angel' also with the ''Central Axis'' and with the Christos Logosphere - which is the 144,000 Faceted core at the central axis of the entirety.

Now, John Lamb Lash may not agree ...

Honeycomb Light of the Christos
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Mesotes, Matrix of Animal Powers
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Jesus can live inside you, but he doesn't force his way in..

If you only allow him to be a historical figure, that is who he will be for you.

At a certain point in time, you will find yourself in opposition.
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"To understand Gnosticism, said Hans Jonas, one needs something very much like a musical ear. Such a Gnostic "musical ear" is not come by easily. One person who seemingly possesses it is Professor Clark Emery of the University of Miami. In a small work on William Blake, Emery summarizes twelve points on which Gnostics tended to agree. Nowhere in the current literature have I found anything else so concise and accurate in describing the normative characteristics of the Gnostic mythos. Hence I shall present it here as a suggested collection of criteria that one might apply in determining what Gnosticism is. The following characteristics may be considered normative for all Gnostic teachers and groups in the era of classical Gnosticism; thus one who adheres to some or all of them today might properly be called a Gnostic:

The Gnostics posited an original spiritual unity that came to be split into a plurality.
As a result of the precosmic division the universe was created. This was done by a leader possessing inferior spiritual powers and who often resembled the Old Testament Jehovah.
A female emanation of God was involved in the cosmic creation (albeit in a much more positive role than the leader).
In the cosmos, space and time have a malevolent character and may be personified as demonic beings separating man from God.
For man, the universe is a vast prison. He is enslaved both by the physical laws of nature and by such moral laws as the Mosaic code.
Mankind may be personified as Adam, who lies in the deep sleep of ignorance, his powers of spiritual self-awareness stupefied by materiality.
Within each natural man is an "inner man," a fallen spark of the divine substance. Since this exists in each man, we have the possibility of awakening from our stupefaction.
What effects the awakening is not obedience, faith, or good works, but knowledge.
Before the awakening, men undergo troubled dreams.
Man does not attain the knowledge that awakens him from these dreams by cognition but through revelatory experience, and this knowledge is not information but a modification of the sensate being.
The awakening (i.e., the salvation) of any individual is a cosmic event.
Since the effort is to restore the wholeness and unity of the Godhead, active rebellion against the moral law of the Old Testament is enjoined upon every man."


[link to gnosis.org]
 Quoting: K.Kool


Everyone makes it so complicated when it really isn't. Gnosis is the knowing that comes from within. Hence, know thyself. As within, so without.

We do not look without for our answers or spiritual path because that is only the illusion.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV




I would think there is more illusion possible inside, than outside, where reality sits.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream
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Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
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Everyone makes it so complicated when it really isn't. Gnosis is the knowing that comes from within. Hence, know thyself. As within, so without.

We do not look without for our answers or spiritual path because that is only the illusion.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV




I would think there is more illusion possible inside, than outside, where reality sits.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240




Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
 Quoting: K.Kool


You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
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I would think there is more illusion possible inside, than outside, where reality sits.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240




Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
 Quoting: K.Kool


You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
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Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240




Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
 Quoting: K.Kool


You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Our DNA is where Gnosis comes from. It takes a long time to change the internal. In this life, we are just recording new memories and cells to add on to the circle of life which is us incarnated in the flesh. To must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive is our carnal beastly flesh needs.

It is in meditative silence where we either

A. Tap our DNA for Gnosis or

B. Tap into the God consciousness to create or for ideas

If you live "only" in the beastly flesh, you will not be Able to do neither A or B like a Gnostic Cain and or an Adept or Magi.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 11/08/2012 08:18 PM
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Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream
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Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
 Quoting: K.Kool


You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
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Sure... Just be careful what you label real and what you label illusion.
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Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
 Quoting: K.Kool


You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Sure... Just be careful what you label real and what you label illusion.
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Illusions get exposed for what they are, reality remains.
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You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Sure... Just be careful what you label real and what you label illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Illusions get exposed for what they are, reality remains.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Is death an illusion or reality? hf
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sing your bullshit during decomposition
let's see you stop that beeeyotsh

jerkit i wonder if the worms and bacteria will take on your personality traits?
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Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
 Quoting: K.Kool


You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Our DNA is where Gnosis comes from. It takes a long time to change the internal. In this life, we are just recording new memories and cells to add on to the circle of life which is us incarnated in the flesh. To must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive is our carnal beastly flesh needs.

It is in meditative silence where we either

A. Tap our DNA for Gnosis or

B. Tap into the God consciousness to create or for ideas

If you live "only" in the beastly flesh, you will not be Able to do neither A or B like a Gnostic Cain and or an Adept or Magi.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



In DNA, is the smallest molecule, that also gives matter its
substance, if this molecule is conscious, it would be the God particle.
If your communication with it is only to feed knowledge to it, you can never hear its (His) response.
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Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Sure... Just be careful what you label real and what you label illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Illusions get exposed for what they are, reality remains.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Is death an illusion or reality? hf
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As real as it gets

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You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Our DNA is where Gnosis comes from. It takes a long time to change the internal. In this life, we are just recording new memories and cells to add on to the circle of life which is us incarnated in the flesh. To must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive is our carnal beastly flesh needs.

It is in meditative silence where we either

A. Tap our DNA for Gnosis or

B. Tap into the God consciousness to create or for ideas

If you live "only" in the beastly flesh, you will not be Able to do neither A or B like a Gnostic Cain and or an Adept or Magi.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



In DNA, is the smallest molecule, that also gives matter its
substance, if this molecule is conscious, it would be the God particle.
If your communication with it is only to feed knowledge to it, you can never hear its (His) response.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Bea-U-T-i-fUlhf

Hence, meditative silence and why in this day and age can be one of the hardest feats of human will. Therefor, it has been a war against our DNA and soul.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 11/08/2012 08:51 PM
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Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Our DNA is where Gnosis comes from. It takes a long time to change the internal. In this life, we are just recording new memories and cells to add on to the circle of life which is us incarnated in the flesh. To must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive is our carnal beastly flesh needs.

It is in meditative silence where we either

A. Tap our DNA for Gnosis or

B. Tap into the God consciousness to create or for ideas

If you live "only" in the beastly flesh, you will not be Able to do neither A or B like a Gnostic Cain and or an Adept or Magi.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



In DNA, is the smallest molecule, that also gives matter its
substance, if this molecule is conscious, it would be the God particle.
If your communication with it is only to feed knowledge to it, you can never hear its (His) response.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Bea-U-T-i-fUlhf

Hence, meditative silence and why in this day and age can be one of he hardest feats of human will. Therefor, it has been a war against our DNA and soul.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV




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Really interesting exposition of the satanic Gnostic Agenda laid out in Hollywood. They will always set up the antagonist to be God, and the hero to be Satan or the rebel against God's system.

Gnostics always portray it, like The Matrix, as "breaking free" or "liberating your mind" from oppression. But Gnosticism is ultimately a Lie, because you are simply enslaving yourself to self-worship and satanic thinking, masqueraded as a liberation.

[link to nwointelreport.blogspot.com]
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Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240




Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
 Quoting: K.Kool


You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Nope. Hunger, shelter, "the things you seek to survive" are for the body. It keeps the body alive, but despite anyone efforts to keep the body alive it will die, hence all those things you stated as outside are also part of the illusion.

"Man cannot live on bread alone but on every Word of God"

Many people spend their entire existence and energy to keeping the body alive thinking that is life, but they only dig a deeper trap, reinforcing a prison by never understanding that which the true self is within. The true reality is within

"The Kingdom of God is within"
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Really interesting exposition of the satanic Gnostic Agenda laid out in Hollywood. They will always set up the antagonist to be God, and the hero to be Satan or the rebel against God's system.

Gnostics always portray it, like The Matrix, as "breaking free" or "liberating your mind" from oppression. But Gnosticism is ultimately a Lie, because you are simply enslaving yourself to self-worship and satanic thinking, masqueraded as a liberation.

[link to nwointelreport.blogspot.com]
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Yes, I can see that, being deceived is a popular passtime in these days.


Elevating your own self to Godlike status is what satan did
and that is what he wants to convince others to do.
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Really interesting exposition of the satanic Gnostic Agenda laid out in Hollywood. They will always set up the antagonist to be God, and the hero to be Satan or the rebel against God's system.

Gnostics always portray it, like The Matrix, as "breaking free" or "liberating your mind" from oppression. But Gnosticism is ultimately a Lie, because you are simply enslaving yourself to self-worship and satanic thinking, masqueraded as a liberation.

[link to nwointelreport.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519



Yes, I can see that, being deceived is a popular passtime in these days.


Elevating your own self to Godlike status is what satan did
and that is what he wants to convince others to do.
 Quoting: K.Kool


How do we become one with God and nature if we do not elevate ourselves to that same level of "being?"
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Really interesting exposition of the satanic Gnostic Agenda laid out in Hollywood. They will always set up the antagonist to be God, and the hero to be Satan or the rebel against God's system.

Gnostics always portray it, like The Matrix, as "breaking free" or "liberating your mind" from oppression. But Gnosticism is ultimately a Lie, because you are simply enslaving yourself to self-worship and satanic thinking, masqueraded as a liberation.

[link to nwointelreport.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


So, we are to look outside of ourselves for the truth and our own answers in order to follow our individual paths? That is what you are saying?
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Isn't free will great?

You can float your life away on the stream, enjoy the experience.
 Quoting: K.Kool


You said reality is outside and I disagree. I think our waking lives are an illusion, much like a dream as the nursery rhyme states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27338240



Your internal reality is a constantly shifting, reactionary, sensory experience, the only respite are brief moments of meditative silence, in which you cannot remain because you must drink, eat and seek shelter to survive.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Nope. Hunger, shelter, "the things you seek to survive" are for the body. It keeps the body alive, but despite anyone efforts to keep the body alive it will die, hence all those things you stated as outside are also part of the illusion.

"Man cannot live on bread alone but on every Word of God"

Many people spend their entire existence and energy to keeping the body alive thinking that is life, but they only dig a deeper trap, reinforcing a prison by never understanding that which the true self is within. The true reality is within

"The Kingdom of God is within"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26826431


clappa
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Really interesting exposition of the satanic Gnostic Agenda laid out in Hollywood. They will always set up the antagonist to be God, and the hero to be Satan or the rebel against God's system.

Gnostics always portray it, like The Matrix, as "breaking free" or "liberating your mind" from oppression. But Gnosticism is ultimately a Lie, because you are simply enslaving yourself to self-worship and satanic thinking, masqueraded as a liberation.

[link to nwointelreport.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519



Yes, I can see that, being deceived is a popular passtime in these days.


Elevating your own self to Godlike status is what satan did
and that is what he wants to convince others to do.
 Quoting: K.Kool


How do we become one with God and nature if we do not elevate ourselves to that same level of "being?"
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



'Being' and 'one' are descriptions of a certain feeling state, I get it in nature, and in church.

I contain God within me, it is not that he is completely external, He exits everywhere and in everything, consciously.
I guess when you can do that, after years of seeking knowledge, you might have the right to call yourself a god..
though not God, since you did not create the Universe.
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christianity = if you want to know divinity, come in here and we will tell you what it is

gnosticism = if you want to know divinity, seek it inside yourself and learn for yourself
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christianity = if you want to know divinity, come in here and we will tell you what it is

gnosticism = if you want to know divinity, seek it inside yourself and learn for yourself
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and as i understand it, the goal of gnosticism is not to become a god, but to reunite your spark of divinity with the source.
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christianity = if you want to know divinity, come in here and we will tell you what it is

gnosticism = if you want to know divinity, seek it inside yourself and learn for yourself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1595910




There is a long history of inner experiences in the Church:

"Mystical theology is the science which treats of acts and experiences or states of the soul which cannot be produced by human effort or industry even with the ordinary aid of Divine grace. It comprises among its subjects all extraordinary forms of prayer, the higher forms of contemplation in all their varieties or gradations, private revelations, visions, and the union growing out of these between God and the soul, known as the mystical union. As the science of all that is extraordinary in the relations between the Divinity and the human spirit, mystical theology is the complement of ascetical, which treats of Christian perfection and of its acquisition by the practice of virtue, particularly by the observance of the counsels. The contents of mystical theology are doctrinal as well as experimental, as it not only records the experiences of souls mystically favoured, but also lays down rules for their guidance, which are based on the authority of the Scriptures, on the teachings of the Fathers of the Church, and on the explanations of theologians, many of them eminent as mystics. Its rules and precepts are usually framed for the special use of those who have occasion to direct souls in the ways of mysticism, so as to preserve them from error while facilitating their advancement. It must therefore take note of the erroneous systems of prayer, like Quietism or Semiquietism, and of the self-illusion or deception of souls that mistake the powers of darkness for those of light or the promptings of their own self-seeking for Divine communications. It is this part of the science that necessitates inquiry into various phases of occultism, diabolism, etc., into which writers like Görres have gone so extensively"


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Really interesting exposition of the satanic Gnostic Agenda laid out in Hollywood. They will always set up the antagonist to be God, and the hero to be Satan or the rebel against God's system.

Gnostics always portray it, like The Matrix, as "breaking free" or "liberating your mind" from oppression. But Gnosticism is ultimately a Lie, because you are simply enslaving yourself to self-worship and satanic thinking, masqueraded as a liberation.

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Yes, I can see that, being deceived is a popular passtime in these days.


Elevating your own self to Godlike status is what satan did
and that is what he wants to convince others to do.
 Quoting: K.Kool


How do we become one with God and nature if we do not elevate ourselves to that same level of "being?"
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



'Being' and 'one' are descriptions of a certain feeling state, I get it in nature, and in church.

I contain God within me, it is not that he is completely external, He exits everywhere and in everything, consciously.
I guess when you can do that, after years of seeking knowledge, you might have the right to call yourself a god..
though not God, since you did not create the Universe.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Very nice again and your words are very wise. Thanks for sharing them.hf
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