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Jews Speak the TRUTH About The Holocaust.

 
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 Quoting: Lada D


I'm not saying I believe the counterpoints that I've offered here, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. However, I will say this:

If you believe that the absolute truth is the Party-Line History book version of the Holocaust, you're either Naive, a Shill or deliberately Ignorant.


Lada D

I believe the many video statements made by both:
- survivors of the camps
- Allied soldiers (both Soviet as well as Western allied soldiers) who witnessed the camps during liberation or as prisoners themselves (especially airmen shot down were in danger of being sent to the concentration camps
- German guards who confessed on video (recently) and come clean

I believe in the official documents from the Germans about orders of Zyklon B etc., the number of Jewish prisoners transported (without killing them, the numbers could never have been kept in the camps).

I believe in the photo's and films taken not only by the allies, but by Germans as well, showing the treatment of Jewish people.

But most of all, I believe the stories and experiences I have heard from holocaust survivers myself.

It might be hard to believe that something like this really happened for you people in the USA. But here in mainland Europe proof of this is still everywhere around.
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I suggest everyone here to watch World War 2 documentaries like "the Last War Heroes", where American and English soldiers who are still alive tell about what they witnessed when the liberated the concentration camps.

 Quoting: Dutch Rebel 1568275


What did they witness? All of those "extermination camps" were in Eastern Europe: [link to www.google.de] No English or American soldier has seen them before the end of the Cold War.
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My Husband is Polish, and his Father had Siblings at Auschwitz.

They were never heard from again, and he will tell you until he's blue in the face all the usual conjecture about Nazis and death camps and everything else.

Why? Because the media told him so.

Did he see his sibs executed by Nazis? No
Can he be certain they didn't die of Starvation? NO
Can he be certain they didn't die of Disease? NO
Can he be certain they didn't get carted off to Siberia? NO
Can he be certain the Russian "Liberators" didn't kill him? NO

But the history books told him the Nazis did it. So therefore, it's the Nazis.

See how that works?
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Joseph Goebbels
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27130245


I guess that's why they have to pass laws to keep people from telling the truth.

EU adopts measure outlawing Holocaust denial
[link to www.nytimes.com]
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It's a RACE!.
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Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both "Jewish." However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries.
 Quoting: subzero86


So, Some Races of "Jews" are not real than?
 Quoting: 984857345


I've said all I can say to convince you...it's pointless !

You've clearly stated your hatred for many cultures in your threads so nothing I'll say will convince you otherwise !

And for the record I'm a Christian, blue eyed, white as milk man of Jewish descent not that it matters...your nazi attitude is sickening !
 Quoting: subzero86


A while back you said you are a Jew who wants to immigrate to Israel. Cant keep your story straight.
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 Quoting: Lada D


I'm not saying I believe the counterpoints that I've offered here, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. However, I will say this:

If you believe that the absolute truth is the Party-Line History book version of the Holocaust, you're either Naive, a Shill or deliberately Ignorant.
 Quoting: Dutch Rebel 1568275


Lada D

I believe the many video statements made by both:
- survivors of the camps
- Allied soldiers (both Soviet as well as Western allied soldiers) who witnessed the camps during liberation or as prisoners themselves (especially airmen shot down were in danger of being sent to the concentration camps
- German guards who confessed on video (recently) and come clean

I believe in the official documents from the Germans about orders of Zyklon B etc., the number of Jewish prisoners transported (without killing them, the numbers could never have been kept in the camps).

I believe in the photo's and films taken not only by the allies, but by Germans as well, showing the treatment of Jewish people.

But most of all, I believe the stories and experiences I have heard from holocaust survivers myself.

It might be hard to believe that something like this really happened for you people in the USA. But here in mainland Europe proof of this is still everywhere around.


What do you believe? Suvivor stories are all over the book. You believe in gas chambers?
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My Husband is Polish, and his Father had Siblings at Auschwitz.

They were never heard from again, and he will tell you until he's blue in the face all the usual conjecture about Nazis and death camps and everything else.

Why? Because the media told him so.

Did he see his sibs executed by Nazis? No
Can he be certain they didn't die of Starvation? NO
Can he be certain they didn't die of Disease? NO
Can he be certain they didn't get carted off to Siberia? NO
Can he be certain the Russian "Liberators" didn't kill him? NO

But the history books told him the Nazis did it. So therefore, it's the Nazis.

See how that works?
 Quoting: Lada D


Why does it matter how they died ? Does it really matter if the Nazis gassed them, starved them, or sent them to Siberia ?

The thing is they were killed, one way or another !

Do you tell your husband that you don't believe in the holocaust ?
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But most of all, I believe the stories and experiences I have heard from holocaust survivers myself.
 Quoting: Dutch Rebel 1568275


What do you believe? Suvivor stories are all over the book. You believe in gas chambers?

It might be hard to believe that something like this really happened for you people in the USA. But here in mainland Europe proof of this is still everywhere around.
 Quoting: Dutch Rebel 1568275


No its not. No gas chamber still exists.
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It's a RACE!.
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Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both "Jewish." However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries.
 Quoting: subzero86


So, Some Races of "Jews" are not real than?
 Quoting: 984857345


I've said all I can say to convince you...it's pointless !

You've clearly stated your hatred for many cultures in your threads so nothing I'll say will convince you otherwise !

And for the record I'm a Christian, blue eyed, white as milk man of Jewish descent not that it matters...your nazi attitude is sickening !
 Quoting: subzero86



No, I am a Jew who is Racist against Jews and English People. I only hate Jews and English People.
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I suggest everyone here to watch World War 2 documentaries like "the Last War Heroes", where American and English soldiers who are still alive tell about what they witnessed when the liberated the concentration camps.

 Quoting: Dutch Rebel 1568275


What did they witness? All of those "extermination camps" were in Eastern Europe: [link to www.google.de] No English or American soldier has seen them before the end of the Cold War.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3028474



That's why I said concentration camps, not extermination camps, regarding the documentary "the Last War Heroes".

Those concentration camps like Buchenwald, Mauthausen didn't have gas chambers, but used the Jewish inmates as slave labour, and still had an enormous mortality rate.

However, as stated in other replies from me, there have been allied soldiers who have witnessed the extermination camps...for instance the 1.400 British POW's who were interned in Auschwitz III (Monowitz).
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I've said all I can say to convince you...it's pointless !

You've clearly stated your hatred for many cultures in your threads so nothing I'll say will convince you otherwise !

And for the record I'm a Christian, blue eyed, white as milk man of Jewish descent not that it matters...your nazi attitude is sickening !
 Quoting: subzero86


A while back you said you are a Jew who wants to immigrate to Israel. Cant keep your story straight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121204


As I've stated earlier, I'm of Jewish descent but I was born and raised a Christian ! How is that not keeping my story straight ? A Christian Jewish guy can't immigrate to Israel or what ?
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I've said all I can say to convince you...it's pointless !

You've clearly stated your hatred for many cultures in your threads so nothing I'll say will convince you otherwise !

And for the record I'm a Christian, blue eyed, white as milk man of Jewish descent not that it matters...your nazi attitude is sickening !
 Quoting: subzero86


A while back you said you are a Jew who wants to immigrate to Israel. Cant keep your story straight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121204


As I've stated earlier, I'm of Jewish descent but I was born and raised a Christian ! How is that not keeping my story straight ? A Christian Jewish guy can't immigrate to Israel or what ?
 Quoting: subzero86


Your not just a christian, your a jew by blood who has enormous loyality to Jews and Israel. Dont pretend yourself to be something else than you are.
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Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both "Jewish." However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries.
 Quoting: subzero86


So, Some Races of "Jews" are not real than?
 Quoting: 984857345


I've said all I can say to convince you...it's pointless !

You've clearly stated your hatred for many cultures in your threads so nothing I'll say will convince you otherwise !

And for the record I'm a Christian, blue eyed, white as milk man of Jewish descent not that it matters...your nazi attitude is sickening !
 Quoting: subzero86



No, I am a Jew who is Racist against Jews and English People. I only hate Jews and English People.
 Quoting: 984857345



why stop there?
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I've said all I can say to convince you...it's pointless !

You've clearly stated your hatred for many cultures in your threads so nothing I'll say will convince you otherwise !

And for the record I'm a Christian, blue eyed, white as milk man of Jewish descent not that it matters...your nazi attitude is sickening !
 Quoting: subzero86


A while back you said you are a Jew who wants to immigrate to Israel. Cant keep your story straight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121204


As I've stated earlier, I'm of Jewish descent but I was born and raised a Christian ! How is that not keeping my story straight ? A Christian Jewish guy can't immigrate to Israel or what ?
 Quoting: subzero86


Your not just a christian, your a jew by blood who has enormous loyality to Jews and Israel. Dont pretend yourself to be something else than you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121204


Why do you assume he has this "enormous Loyalty"?

Israel isn't just the homeland for Jews, it is the Homeland of Christianity too.

And Islam.

Not to mention the Navel of the World to Pre-deluvial Sumerians.

Jerusalem has been important for a long, long time.
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Those concentration camps like Buchenwald, Mauthausen didn't have gas chambers, but used the Jewish inmates as slave labour, and still had an enormous mortality rate.
 Quoting: Dutch Rebel 1568275


if you take a careful look at the actual deaths that occoured in those camps they mostly happened at the end of the war. Because of malnutrition and diseases.

You had enormous ammounts of jews who were relocated from the east when the russians adavnced into german territory. Buchenwald for example was hopelessly overcrowded.

Thats the story here.
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1 Star? So the Truth is Complete Bullshit?
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The truth is ANTISEMITIC! snarl
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Antisemitism is Good. I am Jewish Who is Racist Against Jews. So, Basically, I am Racist against My own Race.
 Quoting: 984857345


You Sir is whats termed as "a self hating jew"

Self hating jew = a jew with common decentcy and a sense of justice!
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Jew isnt a race its a Religion . Unless your from the Khazar tribe of course then i can understand.
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Your not just a christian, your a jew by blood who has enormous loyality to Jews and Israel. Dont pretend yourself to be something else than you are.
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As you can see from my avatar I openly support Israel and the Jewish people so I really don't understand what do you claim I pretend to be ?
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A while back you said you are a Jew who wants to immigrate to Israel. Cant keep your story straight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121204


As I've stated earlier, I'm of Jewish descent but I was born and raised a Christian ! How is that not keeping my story straight ? A Christian Jewish guy can't immigrate to Israel or what ?
 Quoting: subzero86


Your not just a christian, your a jew by blood who has enormous loyality to Jews and Israel. Dont pretend yourself to be something else than you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121204


Why do you assume he has this "enormous Loyalty"?

Israel isn't just the homeland for Jews, it is the Homeland of Christianity too.

And Islam.

Not to mention the Navel of the World to Pre-deluvial Sumerians.

Jerusalem has been important for a long, long time.
 Quoting: Lada D


Christianity ? Islam ? Are you for real ?
Vatican and Mecca are what exactly ? You have no clue. Imbecile
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Christianity ? Islam ? Are you for real ?
Vatican and Mecca are what exactly ? You have no clue. Imbecile
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You are the one who is clueless ! Jerusalem is holy for Christianity, Judaism and Islam !

Jesus was Jewish so...
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Your not just a christian, your a jew by blood who has enormous loyality to Jews and Israel. Dont pretend yourself to be something else than you are.
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As you can see from my avatar I openly support Israel and the Jewish people so I really don't understand what do you claim I pretend to be ?
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I'm Jewish, You don't seem to be Supporting Me.
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Christianity ? Islam ? Are you for real ?
Vatican and Mecca are what exactly ? You have no clue. Imbecile
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ROFL!

I get it, you're doing parody. Good stuff.

I'm sure you realize that Jesus's Ministry occured in and around Jerusalem?

And I'm sure you realize that Muslim's regard Abraham, Moses and even Jesus Christ Himself as Important prophets and patriarchs of their religion?

It's all the same source, I'm sorry you didn't know that.

Why do you think the Mosque on Temple Mount is so Sacred?
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My Husband is Polish, and his Father had Siblings at Auschwitz.

They were never heard from again, and he will tell you until he's blue in the face all the usual conjecture about Nazis and death camps and everything else.

Why? Because the media told him so.

Did he see his sibs executed by Nazis? No
Can he be certain they didn't die of Starvation? NO
Can he be certain they didn't die of Disease? NO
Can he be certain they didn't get carted off to Siberia? NO
Can he be certain the Russian "Liberators" didn't kill him? NO

But the history books told him the Nazis did it. So therefore, it's the Nazis.

See how that works?
 Quoting: Lada D


Why does it matter how they died ? Does it really matter if the Nazis gassed them, starved them, or sent them to Siberia ?

The thing is they were killed, one way or another !

Do you tell your husband that you don't believe in the holocaust ?
 Quoting: subzero86


You think the Nazis sent people to Siberia??????

1rof1

Heebie Jeebies you're dumb!
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I'm Jewish, You don't seem to be Supporting Me.
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Please elaborate on that !
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No, I am a Jew who is Racist against Jews and English People. I only hate Jews and English People.
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Well looking on the bright side...sunnysmilepromisedland

When your guts are draped around a tree and your head is bouncing down the hill, then your stupid opinions won't matter any more will they.
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My Husband is Polish, and his Father had Siblings at Auschwitz.

They were never heard from again, and he will tell you until he's blue in the face all the usual conjecture about Nazis and death camps and everything else.

Why? Because the media told him so.

Did he see his sibs executed by Nazis? No
Can he be certain they didn't die of Starvation? NO
Can he be certain they didn't die of Disease? NO
Can he be certain they didn't get carted off to Siberia? NO
Can he be certain the Russian "Liberators" didn't kill him? NO

But the history books told him the Nazis did it. So therefore, it's the Nazis.

See how that works?
 Quoting: Lada D


so that minimizes their deaths, because no one can prove they weren't gassed?
and even though they might still be alive if germany had not invaded poland we still can't blame the nazis?
that follows the logic i kept hearing on op's thread yesterday- that hitler wasn't realy a bad guy because stalin and mao killed more millions.

see how that works?
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My Husband is Polish, and his Father had Siblings at Auschwitz.

They were never heard from again, and he will tell you until he's blue in the face all the usual conjecture about Nazis and death camps and everything else.

Why? Because the media told him so.

Did he see his sibs executed by Nazis? No
Can he be certain they didn't die of Starvation? NO
Can he be certain they didn't die of Disease? NO
Can he be certain they didn't get carted off to Siberia? NO
Can he be certain the Russian "Liberators" didn't kill him? NO

But the history books told him the Nazis did it. So therefore, it's the Nazis.

See how that works?
 Quoting: Lada D


Why does it matter how they died ? Does it really matter if the Nazis gassed them, starved them, or sent them to Siberia ?

The thing is they were killed, one way or another !

Do you tell your husband that you don't believe in the holocaust ?
 Quoting: subzero86


You think the Nazis sent people to Siberia??????

1rof1

Heebie Jeebies you're dumb!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26924514


Jews are incredinly dumb. They also calim and believe millions were gassed with Diesel fumes in Treblinka and Sobibor, even though Diesel is not even toxic. Yet, thats part of the hoolcaust narrative.
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No, I am a Jew who is Racist against Jews and English People. I only hate Jews and English People.
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Well looking on the bright side...:sunnysmile::promisedland:

When your guts are draped around a tree and your head is bouncing down the hill, then your stupid opinions won't matter any more will they.
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That is what will Happen to the Remaining Jews after Israel is Nuked.
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My Husband is Polish, and his Father had Siblings at Auschwitz.

They were never heard from again, and he will tell you until he's blue in the face all the usual conjecture about Nazis and death camps and everything else.

Why? Because the media told him so.

Did he see his sibs executed by Nazis? No
Can he be certain they didn't die of Starvation? NO
Can he be certain they didn't die of Disease? NO
Can he be certain they didn't get carted off to Siberia? NO
Can he be certain the Russian "Liberators" didn't kill him? NO

But the history books told him the Nazis did it. So therefore, it's the Nazis.

See how that works?
 Quoting: Lada D


so that minimizes their deaths, because no one can prove they weren't gassed?
and even though they might still be alive if germany had not invaded poland we still can't blame the nazis?
that follows the logic i kept hearing on op's thread yesterday- that hitler wasn't realy a bad guy because stalin and mao killed more millions.

see how that works?
 Quoting: david 16910407


Nothing about the Holocaust can be proven. And alot of it is absurd on its face, like killing millions with an old Diesel subway engine. Or burning hundreds of people every hour even though no oven can even handle such a capacity. Or giving people a hair cut before you gas them (WTF?). Or making soap and lampshades.
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how would they know, it's not a concept they are familiar with
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No, I am a Jew who is Racist against Jews and English People. I only hate Jews and English People.
 Quoting: 984857345


Well looking on the bright side...:sunnysmile::promisedland:

When your guts are draped around a tree and your head is bouncing down the hill, then your stupid opinions won't matter any more will they.
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You just keep up the good work, Morty! ohyeah

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