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Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion

 
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The answer for a win-win-win is this: When any ncp faces a judge, they have the option to enter the state-sponsored job program, tied in with affirmative action laws. This way every company has to hire an ncp if the excuse is 'I can't find work'.

This eliminates the financial costs to the kids, the state (a worker pays taxes too) and the poor ncp can remain alive. One minimum-wage job leads to wanting more, and they can then get a better job etc.
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The answer for a win-win-win is this: When any ncp faces a judge, they have the option to enter the state-sponsored job program, tied in with affirmative action laws. This way every company has to hire an ncp if the excuse is 'I can't find work'.

This eliminates the financial costs to the kids, the state (a worker pays taxes too) and the poor ncp can remain alive. One minimum-wage job leads to wanting more, and they can then get a better job etc.
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What world are you living in?
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The answer for a win-win-win is this: When any ncp faces a judge, they have the option to enter the state-sponsored job program, tied in with affirmative action laws. This way every company has to hire an ncp if the excuse is 'I can't find work'.

This eliminates the financial costs to the kids, the state (a worker pays taxes too) and the poor ncp can remain alive. One minimum-wage job leads to wanting more, and they can then get a better job etc.
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What world are you living in?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


So you disagree with a solution that addresses the primary cause of missed payments?

So what do you propose? More hang-em and eff-them mentality?
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The answer for a win-win-win is this: When any ncp faces a judge, they have the option to enter the state-sponsored job program, tied in with affirmative action laws. This way every company has to hire an ncp if the excuse is 'I can't find work'.

This eliminates the financial costs to the kids, the state (a worker pays taxes too) and the poor ncp can remain alive. One minimum-wage job leads to wanting more, and they can then get a better job etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


What world are you living in?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


So you disagree with a solution that addresses the primary cause of missed payments?

So what do you propose? More hang-em and eff-them mentality?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


I disagree with your believing that one minimum wage job makes people want more. They're not pringles.

Also, I find it a sad sign that so often people think more laws are the solution to everything.
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The answer for a win-win-win is this: When any ncp faces a judge, they have the option to enter the state-sponsored job program, tied in with affirmative action laws. This way every company has to hire an ncp if the excuse is 'I can't find work'.

This eliminates the financial costs to the kids, the state (a worker pays taxes too) and the poor ncp can remain alive. One minimum-wage job leads to wanting more, and they can then get a better job etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


What world are you living in?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


So you disagree with a solution that addresses the primary cause of missed payments?

So what do you propose? More hang-em and eff-them mentality?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


I disagree with your believing that one minimum wage job makes people want more. They're not pringles.

Also, I find it a sad sign that so often people think more laws are the solution to everything.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


You are right! One minimum wage job leads to another minimum wage job usually.

If you never get ahead, you will never better yourself... EVER!
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Most GLPers have probably had deadbeat parents.
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
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The answer for a win-win-win is this: When any ncp faces a judge, they have the option to enter the state-sponsored job program, tied in with affirmative action laws. This way every company has to hire an ncp if the excuse is 'I can't find work'.

This eliminates the financial costs to the kids, the state (a worker pays taxes too) and the poor ncp can remain alive. One minimum-wage job leads to wanting more, and they can then get a better job etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


What world are you living in?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


So you disagree with a solution that addresses the primary cause of missed payments?

So what do you propose? More hang-em and eff-them mentality?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


I disagree with your believing that one minimum wage job makes people want more. They're not pringles.

Also, I find it a sad sign that so often people think more laws are the solution to everything.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


I agree in sadness over more laws - though in this case it is to address the #1 cause of no payments; the 'I can't find work' line. So leave no possible way to allow that to happen by finding them one through the affirmative action laws already on the books.

The mistake most make is 'force' usually leads to one of two outcomes - suicide or jail - all because in a terrible economy the thought of 'force' to make someone pay up is inhuman. The laws are there already to destroy so why not one more to build with?

If a ncp can not find work and is in arrears they have lost everything already so more 'force' or 'tougher laws' is NOT the answer. Only hateful cp's want those.

Anyone working at a minimum wage job will want to make more - duh. Allowing work to even exist for the ncp is a start over when all else has failed. Money does not grow on trees. It is a start. It allows another option than becoming a criminal and hurting others to pay support.

The losers who think any ncp works under the table are the ones who are living in an alternate reality. The above suggestion fixes the problem so everyone wins.
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
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This coming from a less-than-great british person.. Compared to British yeah Americans can be seen that way after we told y'all to eff-off.
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Most GLPers have probably had deadbeat parents.
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+10000

LMAO!
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Thanks mods for the pin - my first!!
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What world are you living in?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


So you disagree with a solution that addresses the primary cause of missed payments?

So what do you propose? More hang-em and eff-them mentality?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


I disagree with your believing that one minimum wage job makes people want more. They're not pringles.

Also, I find it a sad sign that so often people think more laws are the solution to everything.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


You are right! One minimum wage job leads to another minimum wage job usually.

If you never get ahead, you will never better yourself... EVER!
 Quoting: andawg221


Getting ahead means starting somewhere. Since minimum wage is the bottom that is where one starts. With that one should want to make more at another job, which of course means more money for everyone.

Now if you love your job at McDonalds so much maybe work to become a Manager??

Anyone who wants to stay at minimum wage forever is the problem - but as long as they are working at it they can avoid the 'tough laws' meant to destroy families.
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Ahh - gotta love all those full of HATE giving one-stars because someone stands up for the abused and deprived little guy - an ncp - with a positive solution.

Whatever attitudes those one-star voters have clearly is meant to destroy - not build and make things better.

Now THATS sad.
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
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Oh if that were true and it was that simple. It's NOT!

I personally know people who make well into a six figure$$$$$$ income but bitch and moan about child support payments and attempt to find every way out of it.

They are not rednecks in the classic sense. They vote republican and talk as such or libertarian.

However many of them cheat on their taxes and some are committing disability fraud.
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Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26035751


Oh if that were true and it was that simple. It's NOT!

I personally know people who make well into a six figure$$$$$$ income but bitch and moan about child support payments and attempt to find every way out of it.

They are not rednecks in the classic sense. They vote republican and talk as such or libertarian.

However many of them cheat on their taxes and some are committing disability fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


And they aren't even required making child support payments based on their real income as most of that is under the table.
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Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26035751


Oh if that were true and it was that simple. It's NOT!

I personally know people who make well into a six figure$$$$$$ income but bitch and moan about child support payments and attempt to find every way out of it.

They are not rednecks in the classic sense. They vote republican and talk as such or libertarian.

However many of them cheat on their taxes and some are committing disability fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


And they aren't even required making child support payments based on their real income as most of that is under the table.
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Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26035751


Oh if that were true and it was that simple. It's NOT!

I personally know people who make well into a six figure$$$$$$ income but bitch and moan about child support payments and attempt to find every way out of it.

They are not rednecks in the classic sense. They vote republican and talk as such or libertarian.

However many of them cheat on their taxes and some are committing disability fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


Child Support Payments can deduct from Disability but ONLY for arrears. Now if the CP is on disability they get an extra amount pulled from the ncp's social security.

I will not defend criminal action, but will defend my original proposal to use the affirmative action laws to require companies to hire a court-ordered ncp. It works and allows everyone to win.
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Most GLPers have probably had deadbeat parents.
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+1


And it would be a wise idea, if the denotation is correct, not to call those of us with "said" circumstance, a piece of shit.



I didnt make the choice to have dipshit parents.
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Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26035751


Oh if that were true and it was that simple. It's NOT!

I personally know people who make well into a six figure$$$$$$ income but bitch and moan about child support payments and attempt to find every way out of it.

They are not rednecks in the classic sense. They vote republican and talk as such or libertarian.

However many of them cheat on their taxes and some are committing disability fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


And they aren't even required making child support payments based on their real income as most of that is under the table.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


What state do you live in?!?! Judges take a standardized amount and compare it against your income, which they get from any/all taxing sources. If someone is not paying the fair amount - talk to your state support agency. As long as they have the social security number they will find it.

Besides - what you are describing means some money is making it through. I am talking about the poor schleps that have zero left and no way to provide for even their existance.

If the last resort is a job not jail then everyone wins. Now, if you want to live high on the hog but are still getting some money - follow up with your state office. At least you are getting something!
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
In N.C. Child Support FORCES you to give them your social security number! They are very bias toward men, I have been on both sides and child support left me homeless and with nothing. Now that I have had custody of my 3 now teenage boys for 7 years, I have yet to see a dollar from their mother. When she had custody, when I couldn't pay I got to go to jail. ANYONE WITH INFO ON HOW TO LOCATE SOMEONE IN FLORIDA (that is where she is hiding) PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!

hf
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Most GLPers have probably had deadbeat parents.
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You would know since your all over this site.
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In N.C. Child Support FORCES you to give them your social security number! They are very bias toward men, I have been on both sides and child support left me homeless and with nothing. Now that I have had custody of my 3 now teenage boys for 7 years, I have yet to see a dollar from their mother. When she had custody, when I couldn't pay I got to go to jail. ANYONE WITH INFO ON HOW TO LOCATE SOMEONE IN FLORIDA (that is where she is hiding) PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!

hf
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They all go to Florida !
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Most GLPers have probably had deadbeat parents.
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You would know since your all over this site.
 Quoting: MultiStrada


It keeps me occupied during college. I'm actually getting an education, unlike 90% of you.
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26035751


Oh if that were true and it was that simple. It's NOT!

I personally know people who make well into a six figure$$$$$$ income but bitch and moan about child support payments and attempt to find every way out of it.

They are not rednecks in the classic sense. They vote republican and talk as such or libertarian.

However many of them cheat on their taxes and some are committing disability fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


And they aren't even required making child support payments based on their real income as most of that is under the table.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


What state do you live in?!?! Judges take a standardized amount and compare it against your income, which they get from any/all taxing sources. If someone is not paying the fair amount - talk to your state support agency. As long as they have the social security number they will find it.

Besides - what you are describing means some money is making it through. I am talking about the poor schleps that have zero left and no way to provide for even their existance.

If the last resort is a job not jail then everyone wins. Now, if you want to live high on the hog but are still getting some money - follow up with your state office. At least you are getting something!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


My state does the same IF it is reported income.

These business men are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and half of it is not reported . They can't trace it as everything is always cash.

For example ...one mother I know makes @$18,00 a year as a dental assistant. Father's reported income is $60,000 a year .She receives @ 115.00 a week in child support for 1 child.
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Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26035751


Oh if that were true and it was that simple. It's NOT!

I personally know people who make well into a six figure$$$$$$ income but bitch and moan about child support payments and attempt to find every way out of it.

They are not rednecks in the classic sense. They vote republican and talk as such or libertarian.

However many of them cheat on their taxes and some are committing disability fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


And they aren't even required making child support payments based on their real income as most of that is under the table.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27121439


What state do you live in?!?! Judges take a standardized amount and compare it against your income, which they get from any/all taxing sources. If someone is not paying the fair amount - talk to your state support agency. As long as they have the social security number they will find it.

Besides - what you are describing means some money is making it through. I am talking about the poor schleps that have zero left and no way to provide for even their existance.

If the last resort is a job not jail then everyone wins. Now, if you want to live high on the hog but are still getting some money - follow up with your state office. At least you are getting something!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


And I was replying to the moron who suggested deadbeat fathers were "toothless rednecks".
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Re: Deadbeat parents cost taxpayers $53 billion
Most GLPers have probably had deadbeat parents.
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You would know since your all over this site.
 Quoting: MultiStrada


It keeps me occupied during college. I'm actually getting an education, unlike 90% of you.
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.... "It keeps me occupied during college"



... "getting an education"





So... Your on this site, and apparently getting an education at the same time.



And somehow with your "important education", you have spare time to waste on GLP?



You are definitely a dumbass and more than likely getting a pointless Liberal Arts degree in basket weaving.



Please just shoot yourself.
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Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
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Deadbeat parents = Toothless, shit eatin, right wing rednecks
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Most GLPers have probably had deadbeat parents.
 Quoting: Sparrow and Medicine


You would know since your all over this site.
 Quoting: MultiStrada


It keeps me occupied during college. I'm actually getting an education, unlike 90% of you.
 Quoting: Sparrow and Medicine





.... "It keeps me occupied during college"



... "getting an education"





So... Your on this site, and apparently getting an education at the same time.



And somehow with your "important education", you have spare time to waste on GLP?



You are definitely a dumbass and more than likely getting a pointless Liberal Arts degree in basket weaving.



Please just shoot yourself.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13652486


You sound jealous.
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You would know since your all over this site.
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It keeps me occupied during college. I'm actually getting an education, unlike 90% of you.
 Quoting: Sparrow and Medicine





.... "It keeps me occupied during college"



... "getting an education"





So... Your on this site, and apparently getting an education at the same time.



And somehow with your "important education", you have spare time to waste on GLP?



You are definitely a dumbass and more than likely getting a pointless Liberal Arts degree in basket weaving.



Please just shoot yourself.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13652486


You sound jealous.
 Quoting: Sparrow and Medicine



A very weak response for such an "educated" person.


You have proven yourself quite well.
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The answer for a win-win-win is this: When any ncp faces a judge, they have the option to enter the state-sponsored job program, tied in with affirmative action laws. This way every company has to hire an ncp if the excuse is 'I can't find work'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24238594


OP what you suggest is Forced Servitude or a State Slave.

The main problem with the child support system at the time is that in 9 cases out of 10 the courts side with the woman and attempt to completely cut the father out of the childrens lives or make it as difficult as possible to participate.

What needs to happen is to quit punishing the low income NCP who by paying that child support payment puts themselves well below poverty. This situation only causes the NCP to go into the underground economy.

If both parents are paying for the childs expenses, both parents are a custodial and share parenting time. then there should be no money being paid either way as both parents are taking responsibility for the child.

I read a statistic that said approxamately 70% of men paid child support before the creation of the Child Support Enforcement Agency. Now that we have a CSEA we are able to collect from approximately 70% of the fathers. seems they have made a good improvement in the red tape department.

Kids having Kids and then going to the courts and stomping thier feet saying make that bastard pay me some money.

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