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Voters being turned away in my city- SW Penn

 
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Here is the background on what I saw today. In PA we were told early on that we HAD TO BRING ID TO VOTE. Then, this was changed to next year. The official final line this year was "You will be asked for photo ID when you go to vote, but it is not required to vote".

I was waiting in line to vote and a young lady in front of me told the lady with the registered voter book that she didn't have ID with her, she had just lost it. The lady with the book looked up her name and sure enough it was in the book so she was registered. The older lady with the book then told her she could not vote and turned her away. The girl was told to find some type of photo ID and come back, she tried to explain to them that she didn't have anything and she really wanted to vote today.

This will not be law until NEXT year. That young lady waited in line to vote for twenty some minutes, she wanted her voice to be heard. While I do think that you should provide ID when you vote, that wasn't the law this year it takes effect next year. I would have spoken up for her and explained the election law to the officials, BUT i wasn't 100% sure which way it went this year I know next year it is changing so I got home and looked it up and sure enough they turned this young lady away when she was in the right this year.

So take your ID if you plan on voting today in Pennsylvania just in case these local yokels don't know their own voting laws.
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Re: Voters being turned away in my city- SW Penn
Here is the background on what I saw today. In PA we were told early on that we HAD TO BRING ID TO VOTE. Then, this was changed to next year. The official final line this year was "You will be asked for photo ID when you go to vote, but it is not required to vote".

I was waiting in line to vote and a young lady in front of me told the lady with the registered voter book that she didn't have ID with her, she had just lost it. The lady with the book looked up her name and sure enough it was in the book so she was registered. The older lady with the book then told her she could not vote and turned her away. The girl was told to find some type of photo ID and come back, she tried to explain to them that she didn't have anything and she really wanted to vote today.

This will not be law until NEXT year. That young lady waited in line to vote for twenty some minutes, she wanted her voice to be heard. While I do think that you should provide ID when you vote, that wasn't the law this year it takes effect next year. I would have spoken up for her and explained the election law to the officials, BUT i wasn't 100% sure which way it went this year I know next year it is changing so I got home and looked it up and sure enough they turned this young lady away when she was in the right this year.

So take your ID if you plan on voting today in Pennsylvania just in case these local yokels don't know their own voting laws.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8980350


Interesting because the log bog shows party affiliation. I wonder what this young woman's inclinations were?
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Re: Voters being turned away in my city- SW Penn
Here is the background on what I saw today. In PA we were told early on that we HAD TO BRING ID TO VOTE. Then, this was changed to next year. The official final line this year was "You will be asked for photo ID when you go to vote, but it is not required to vote".

I was waiting in line to vote and a young lady in front of me told the lady with the registered voter book that she didn't have ID with her, she had just lost it. The lady with the book looked up her name and sure enough it was in the book so she was registered. The older lady with the book then told her she could not vote and turned her away. The girl was told to find some type of photo ID and come back, she tried to explain to them that she didn't have anything and she really wanted to vote today.

This will not be law until NEXT year. That young lady waited in line to vote for twenty some minutes, she wanted her voice to be heard. While I do think that you should provide ID when you vote, that wasn't the law this year it takes effect next year. I would have spoken up for her and explained the election law to the officials, BUT i wasn't 100% sure which way it went this year I know next year it is changing so I got home and looked it up and sure enough they turned this young lady away when she was in the right this year.

So take your ID if you plan on voting today in Pennsylvania just in case these local yokels don't know their own voting laws.
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Interesting because the log bog shows party affiliation. I wonder what this young woman's inclinations were?
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...log book ....
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I have called the election bureau of my county and told them what I saw, they are really upset and are going to contact the polling station where I went today and tell them that the law this year is set up so you are not required to show photo ID, the law changes next year.

I felt so bad for the girl, she waited 25 minutes or longer and they even looked her name up and it was in the registered voter book! She was then told if she couldn't find a photo ID she could not vote. She explained that she had just recently lost her purse with her drivers license inside and they wouldn't hear it. Told her too bad pretty much.

The election bureau is PISSED that they broke a voting law. I don't agree with how the law is set up this year but it needs to be followed, they can't turn you away from voting for any reason that isn't required by law.
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Re: Voters being turned away in my city- SW Penn
Here is the background on what I saw today. In PA we were told early on that we HAD TO BRING ID TO VOTE. Then, this was changed to next year. The official final line this year was "You will be asked for photo ID when you go to vote, but it is not required to vote".

I was waiting in line to vote and a young lady in front of me told the lady with the registered voter book that she didn't have ID with her, she had just lost it. The lady with the book looked up her name and sure enough it was in the book so she was registered. The older lady with the book then told her she could not vote and turned her away. The girl was told to find some type of photo ID and come back, she tried to explain to them that she didn't have anything and she really wanted to vote today.

This will not be law until NEXT year. That young lady waited in line to vote for twenty some minutes, she wanted her voice to be heard. While I do think that you should provide ID when you vote, that wasn't the law this year it takes effect next year. I would have spoken up for her and explained the election law to the officials, BUT i wasn't 100% sure which way it went this year I know next year it is changing so I got home and looked it up and sure enough they turned this young lady away when she was in the right this year.

So take your ID if you plan on voting today in Pennsylvania just in case these local yokels don't know their own voting laws.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8980350


Interesting because the log bog shows party affiliation. I wonder what this young woman's inclinations were?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22301087


I was behind the girl in line, but I couldn't see anything in the log book. I just saw them find her name. She wasn't white, but still she has rights and should be able to vote. It doesn't matter, to me anyway, if she was going to vote Obama. She deserves to have her vote counted too it isn't her fault that this year there was no ID required.
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I think you're right, that law is not in effect.

At least that's one less Obamatard vote, though.
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True, but I might not agree with you at all but I'll die fighting for your rights. Laws are in place for a reason, no need for officials to dictate whether or not they will follow them or not. That is fraudulent.

Oh yeah, I was posting in your thread last week Super Bowl Dave, said I might not make it to vote b/c of knee surgery but my surgery was actually no big deal I was walking the same day! Last time I had a knee done it wasn't that smooth.

Voted for Mittens myself today, gotta be better than what we've got.
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I have called the election bureau of my county and told them what I saw, they are really upset and are going to contact the polling station where I went today and tell them that the law this year is set up so you are not required to show photo ID, the law changes next year.

I felt so bad for the girl, she waited 25 minutes or longer and they even looked her name up and it was in the registered voter book! She was then told if she couldn't find a photo ID she could not vote. She explained that she had just recently lost her purse with her drivers license inside and they wouldn't hear it. Told her too bad pretty much.

The election bureau is PISSED that they broke a voting law. I don't agree with how the law is set up this year but it needs to be followed, they can't turn you away from voting for any reason that isn't required by law.
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Very poor training... it is not rocket science. I am surprised there was not someone else there with the authority to challenge... AND they should at least note that the person showed up, so that they can investigate later.
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I have called the election bureau of my county and told them what I saw, they are really upset and are going to contact the polling station where I went today and tell them that the law this year is set up so you are not required to show photo ID, the law changes next year.

I felt so bad for the girl, she waited 25 minutes or longer and they even looked her name up and it was in the registered voter book! She was then told if she couldn't find a photo ID she could not vote. She explained that she had just recently lost her purse with her drivers license inside and they wouldn't hear it. Told her too bad pretty much.

The election bureau is PISSED that they broke a voting law. I don't agree with how the law is set up this year but it needs to be followed, they can't turn you away from voting for any reason that isn't required by law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8980350


Very poor training... it is not rocket science. I am surprised there was not someone else there with the authority to challenge... AND they should at least note that the person showed up, so that they can investigate later.
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There were 4 other people sitting at the table with this old lady with the log book! The conversation was so loud that I am sure they all heard what was going on and nobody said a word. They even shook their head "no" when the girl said can I please just vote my name is registered in the book?
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There was the old lady with the log book, the lady who writes down everyones name in the tablet, someone else, and the guy who was giving you the code number for the voting machines. They all shook their heads "no" when the girl was pleading with them to vote.

The whole situation was crazy and confusing here in PA from the get-go. At first we all got a flyer in the mail a few months back that said PHOTO ID IS REQUIRED TO VOTE! Then a few weeks later we got a flyer that said PHOTO ID CAN BE SHOWN BUT IS NOT REQUIRED TO VOTE. They kept changing the rules until the last minute and now you have confused poll station workers who don't even know for themselves what the laws are.

Pretty sad day for Democracy here in PA.
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11/06/2012 01:40 PM
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Not Trolling, I swear.
How do you know this was not this young lady's plan? Your not demanding ID and I really want my candidate to win, could be voting for people other than herself, she could have voted already. I had to show photo ID to buy beer today, she should need it to vote. Should be black and white, no photo id no vote.
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11/06/2012 01:42 PM
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There was the old lady with the log book, the lady who writes down everyones name in the tablet, someone else, and the guy who was giving you the code number for the voting machines. They all shook their heads "no" when the girl was pleading with them to vote.

The whole situation was crazy and confusing here in PA from the get-go. At first we all got a flyer in the mail a few months back that said PHOTO ID IS REQUIRED TO VOTE! Then a few weeks later we got a flyer that said PHOTO ID CAN BE SHOWN BUT IS NOT REQUIRED TO VOTE. They kept changing the rules until the last minute and now you have confused poll station workers who don't even know for themselves what the laws are.

Pretty sad day for Democracy here in PA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8980350


i don't know about you but i always carry a photo id, and have since I was 16 years old.
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i don't know about you but i always carry a photo id, and have since I was 16 years old.
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They had photographs back when you were 16?

;-p Sorry... could not resist.
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There was the old lady with the log book, the lady who writes down everyones name in the tablet, someone else, and the guy who was giving you the code number for the voting machines. They all shook their heads "no" when the girl was pleading with them to vote.

The whole situation was crazy and confusing here in PA from the get-go. At first we all got a flyer in the mail a few months back that said PHOTO ID IS REQUIRED TO VOTE! Then a few weeks later we got a flyer that said PHOTO ID CAN BE SHOWN BUT IS NOT REQUIRED TO VOTE. They kept changing the rules until the last minute and now you have confused poll station workers who don't even know for themselves what the laws are.

Pretty sad day for Democracy here in PA.
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i don't know about you but i always carry a photo id, and have since I was 16 years old.
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Me, too. You have to have one here to buy Sudafed even!
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Not Trolling, I swear.
How do you know this was not this young lady's plan? Your not demanding ID and I really want my candidate to win, could be voting for people other than herself, she could have voted already. I had to show photo ID to buy beer today, she should need it to vote. Should be black and white, no photo id no vote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5100558


Yeah she should need her ID to vote, but that law goes into effect next year here. You guys are missing the point. The officials turned her away for a reason that isn't acceptable this year.

And when you vote, you sign the log book next to your name. She wasn't even allowed to sign it because she couldn't vote today.
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Not Trolling, I swear.
How do you know this was not this young lady's plan? Your not demanding ID and I really want my candidate to win, could be voting for people other than herself, she could have voted already. I had to show photo ID to buy beer today, she should need it to vote. Should be black and white, no photo id no vote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5100558


Yeah she should need her ID to vote, but that law goes into effect next year here. You guys are missing the point. The officials turned her away for a reason that isn't acceptable this year.

And when you vote, you sign the log book next to your name. She wasn't even allowed to sign it because she couldn't vote today.
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we are not missing the point at all.
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I'm so glad everyone here never lost their wallet or purse! I lost my wallet when I was about 20 years old and I had to get a replacement ID. Now if I lost that wallet around election time I would still be able to vote because I am a registered voter. But next year I'd be shit outta luck because you need it to vote next year.

Look I voted Romney too, all you Obama bashers are just glad she couldn't vote for him over the fact that her rights were violated and the officials don't know their own election laws.

Hell I don't know I'm sure a few black people have voted Romney this year, the smart ones who can see our country going to shit anyway... but yeah this is bigger than who you would vote for, not having a say at all for no valid reason.
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Here is the background on what I saw today. In PA we were told early on that we HAD TO BRING ID TO VOTE. Then, this was changed to next year. The official final line this year was "You will be asked for photo ID when you go to vote, but it is not required to vote".

I was waiting in line to vote and a young lady in front of me told the lady with the registered voter book that she didn't have ID with her, she had just lost it. The lady with the book looked up her name and sure enough it was in the book so she was registered. The older lady with the book then told her she could not vote and turned her away. The girl was told to find some type of photo ID and come back, she tried to explain to them that she didn't have anything and she really wanted to vote today.

This will not be law until NEXT year. That young lady waited in line to vote for twenty some minutes, she wanted her voice to be heard. While I do think that you should provide ID when you vote, that wasn't the law this year it takes effect next year. I would have spoken up for her and explained the election law to the officials, BUT i wasn't 100% sure which way it went this year I know next year it is changing so I got home and looked it up and sure enough they turned this young lady away when she was in the right this year.

So take your ID if you plan on voting today in Pennsylvania just in case these local yokels don't know their own voting laws.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8980350


Interesting because the log bog shows party affiliation. I wonder what this young woman's inclinations were?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22301087


I was behind the girl in line, but I couldn't see anything in the log book. I just saw them find her name. She wasn't white, but still she has rights and should be able to vote. It doesn't matter, to me anyway, if she was going to vote Obama. She deserves to have her vote counted too it isn't her fault that this year there was no ID required.
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One thing to consider...if you are a first time voter in PA...it is the law to show ID for your first vote. Her name would still be in the log book, but unless she prevoiusly voted, she would still need to show ID on her first visit. My wife and I had to do this for the primary vote earlier this year. Before we cry fraud we would need to know more circumstances. The officials may have been correct in their refusal.
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OP, why didn't you step up and talk to the poll workers. If I saw something like that, I'd have told the poll workers they were making a mistake and ask them to check on it. I'm sure they would have. These things go on because the uninformed sheep just stand by and let it happen.
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