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As an Illuminati, I cannot fathom why you fear us.

 
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surely you haven't forgot the charm of making?
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lol
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And this is funny how?
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Because I think it is.
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YOU know NOT who you speak to.
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lol

s226

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DL
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If you are illuminat, tell me the law of the universe
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Loool .. even I can tell you some of these, without being ascociated with such filth as the self-proclaimed-illuminated-bs.. ^_^

But I wont, until he does.. In fact I did in other threads @ GLP, and thats why this poser here is not answer to a single line Ive wrote..

Its obious he's fake, and if not - even more obvious why he doesnt answer me..

HES REALLY CONFUSED WHO IS HIS REAL CHIEF hahah lmao
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Greatest I am (OP)

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A REAL illuminati would level with us, tell the truth, because the knmowledge base here would immediately know deception, as I have found out

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Where have I not levelled or spoken truth?

Out your money where your lying mouth is.

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And this is funny how?
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Because I think it is.
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YOU know NOT who you speak to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13590613


lol

s226
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Yeah stick your bhagavad gita in there and hope there is a nobody version that exists in your frail little mind which will come to rescue you one day.

Pathetic.

Keep dreaming.
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A REAL illuminati would level with us, tell the truth, because the knmowledge base here would immediately know deception, as I have found out

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Where have I not levelled or spoken truth?

Out your money where your lying mouth is.

Regards
DL
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Since you are NOT responding to me. I WILL respond to YOUR posts.

Where have you spoken the TRUTH?

Why are you selective in responding about the NOBODY? Who is he/it/that?

How can you judge/label another man as a "lying" mouth - unless you do not see him as your equal?


I see DECEPTION in your posts. And that will be your downfall.
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Because I think it is.
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YOU know NOT who you speak to.
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lol

s226
 Quoting: Saptaparna


Yeah stick your bhagavad gita in there and hope there is a nobody version that exists in your frail little mind which will come to rescue you one day.

Pathetic.

Keep dreaming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13590613


I love it when dorks say, "YOU know NOT who you speak to." It cracks me up every time. If you only knew how many times I have heard that, you probably wouldn't have said such a cliche statement.

Every time I hear it, I tell whoever said it to kiss my ass. It is so fun getting dorks like you all riled up. It is so easy to do.

I have a suggestion. Tell me what I can say to you that would really piss you off. Piss you off so much, that you decide to use your oh so scary statement of "YOU know NOT who you speak to" to teach me a lesson.

Actually, let's just bypass me having to say something to you, and just pretend that I did.

Ready...set...GO!

lmao
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YOU know NOT who you speak to.
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lol

s226
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Yeah stick your bhagavad gita in there and hope there is a nobody version that exists in your frail little mind which will come to rescue you one day.

Pathetic.

Keep dreaming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13590613


I love it when dorks say, "YOU know NOT who you speak to." It cracks me up every time. If you only knew how many times I have heard that, you probably wouldn't have said such a cliche statement.

Every time I hear it, I tell whoever said it to kiss my ass. It is so fun getting dorks like you all riled up. It is so easy to do.

I have a suggestion. Tell me what I can say to you that would really piss you off. Piss you off so much, that you decide to use your oh so scary statement of "YOU know NOT who you speak to" to teach me a lesson.

Actually, let's just bypass me having to say something to you, and just pretend that I did.

Ready...set...GO!

lmao
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Whatever mothrfucker..my beef is not with you.
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lol

s226
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Yeah stick your bhagavad gita in there and hope there is a nobody version that exists in your frail little mind which will come to rescue you one day.

Pathetic.

Keep dreaming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13590613


I love it when dorks say, "YOU know NOT who you speak to." It cracks me up every time. If you only knew how many times I have heard that, you probably wouldn't have said such a cliche statement.

Every time I hear it, I tell whoever said it to kiss my ass. It is so fun getting dorks like you all riled up. It is so easy to do.

I have a suggestion. Tell me what I can say to you that would really piss you off. Piss you off so much, that you decide to use your oh so scary statement of "YOU know NOT who you speak to" to teach me a lesson.

Actually, let's just bypass me having to say something to you, and just pretend that I did.

Ready...set...GO!

lmao
 Quoting: Saptaparna


Whatever mothrfucker..my beef is not with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13590613


Good boy.
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~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.
~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?
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Ah fuck it. I'm out of here. Clearly I have no patience with imbeciles who preach around the 'nobody' thread.



Just because I don't respond doesn't mean I absconded. Let this be a lesson.

I will be, because I am.
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Yeah stick your bhagavad gita in there and hope there is a nobody version that exists in your frail little mind which will come to rescue you one day.

Pathetic.

Keep dreaming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13590613


I love it when dorks say, "YOU know NOT who you speak to." It cracks me up every time. If you only knew how many times I have heard that, you probably wouldn't have said such a cliche statement.

Every time I hear it, I tell whoever said it to kiss my ass. It is so fun getting dorks like you all riled up. It is so easy to do.

I have a suggestion. Tell me what I can say to you that would really piss you off. Piss you off so much, that you decide to use your oh so scary statement of "YOU know NOT who you speak to" to teach me a lesson.

Actually, let's just bypass me having to say something to you, and just pretend that I did.

Ready...set...GO!

lmao
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Whatever mothrfucker..my beef is not with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13590613


Good boy.
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Thanks for admitting you are motherfucker
Saptaparna

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You shouldn't have started with me. You would feel much better right now.
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~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.
~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?
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You shouldn't have started with me. You would feel much better right now.
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Oh I feel better I swear at you. Believe you me.

I would feel even better if I could pay you visit. Want me to do that?
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You shouldn't have started with me. You would feel much better right now.
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Oh I feel better I swear at you. Believe you me.

I would feel even better if I could pay you visit. Want me to do that?
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I don't care wtf you do. And yes, you are correct, you did swear at me. lol. I'm glad swearing at me makes you feel better.

Last Edited by Saptaparna on 11/07/2012 11:33 AM
Saptaparna ~
Seven-leaves, sevenfold; the man-plant, sevenfold man, seven-principled human being.
~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.
~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?
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C'mon OP I asked you about the NOBODY.

Are you deaf or merely role playing?
Clearly you are no illuminati.
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I have no idea what your nobody is so be clear or be gone.

Regards
DL
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By implication you say you have a better idea? Pray tell us your idea is of nobody/who/what/it is then?
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Read the O P.

The better idea is transparency and an end to the Noble Lies and subversive social manipulation.

If you have questions, make them clear and simple. I like to KIS.

Regards
DL
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If you are illuminat, tell me the law of the universe
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E = Mc squared.

Regards
DL
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You shouldn't have started with me. You would feel much better right now.
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Oh I feel better I swear at you. Believe you me.

I would feel even better if I could pay you visit. Want me to do that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13590613


I don't care wtf you do. And yes, you are correct, you did swear at me. lol. I'm glad swearing at me makes you feel better.
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Ahem. Thanks for editing that.

Of course, I was only role playing with you. YOu knew that, right?

Talk about being messed up, eh?
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C'mon OP I asked you about the NOBODY.

Are you deaf or merely role playing?
Clearly you are no illuminati.
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I have no idea what your nobody is so be clear or be gone.

Regards
DL
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By implication you say you have a better idea? Pray tell us your idea is of nobody/who/what/it is then?
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Read the O P.

The better idea is transparency and an end to the Noble Lies and subversive social manipulation.

If you have questions, make them clear and simple. I like to KIS.

Regards
DL
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yeah - I think you have no idea about the they call the nobody.

Thanks for your post, See Ya.
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The Illuminati do not understand the covenant that pre-dates their order. If they did they would understand what awaits for them. Man was never meant to choose his own leaders for that choice is fueled by greed.

Our Lord has already established the seats of his chosen, while they may not sit in those seats at times, they forever remain established.
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I do not have much time for your ilk so let me just give you this as you live in your delusionary world.

I doubt that you will think of any of it. Your dogma won't let you. Continue to live in the Noble Lie.


I will add these clips to the mix for your consideration. They show who put what in Jesus' mouth and how Christianity has been manipulated. The first which is part of the second speaks to my Gnostic Christian label and the second shows my view of religions overall and the Noble Lie that I think we and our governments should rescind. The third clip speaks to the reason that religions were invented in the first place as it shows why social control was required for city states that had to deal with the reality of finite resources. I see these city states as led by a timocratic king who through the religion that he would have created, also realized that there had to be a tyrannical part to his benevolent duty and created a religion to be just that.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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[link to www.youtube.com]

I see the King/God as having to have the morals shown in the Haigt clip.

[link to blog.ted.com]

He would have to create his religion as expressed through his high priest/tyrant who would live by the first commandment of God, place no one above me as the enforcer of his King/God's rules and laws while still obeying his King. The larger Roman system would later assume the same system through the Noble Lie. First through the Flavians and later through Constantine.

[link to www.simchajtv.com]
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I have always suspected that the Romans created Christanity
I had always thought that Constantine was responsible though not Titus. Will have to download the book and give it a read through. Anyway so the question for us has still not been answered. Who created or brought us here and why?
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Which wealth??

The ones you amassed whipping slaves till compliance to bring your riches from THE BOTTOM up?

You fucking lying small minded pathetic criminal trash.
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Whips are no longer required when one has the Governments and religions in one's pocket to do the dirty work of manipulating the masses.

Regards
DL


Dumb bitch.

You aint the illuminati.

You got a handle of the two "Noble Lies" and is trying to propagate the concept pretending to be them.

You are too stupid to be them!
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it's boredom not fear
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It is a false premise to think you had a choice,very much you are like the masses of america.what choice have you but our choice.systematically designed to understand illusions,of freedom,of wealth,of power,by our will to captivate one's first attention.
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I did not read the entire thread however I will get to the point.

1. No Fear.


That about sums it up. Although a global paradise is surely something to strive and work hard for and is in everyone's interest (or should be) it is how people go about getting there that is of great importance.

Using deceit, wars, poverty, murder etc, to achieve those goals causes others to use the same tactics against you, hence your perception of fear.

If illuminist were so enlightened they would lead by example of good not evil. Imagine if they started with one country and led by having a free society (free from control of others)and used technology of peace to get rid of poverty, illness and wars? Where everyone truly had an equal chance for education (Real education, not brainwashing) and an equal chance to better themselves?

Said country would become a beacon of hope and millions would flock there and other countries would try to imitate that country. That my friend is leading by example. Not by force and control of others to do someones bidding.

Yes, there would be envy and I am sure other countries might get an idea to destroy said country, that it why it is imperative to have a strong military for defense as the best defense is to be able to destroy any aggressor soundly and decisively on any and every battlefield before too much damage and death occurs.

Empires have tried to achieve something similar using force namely Rome and Nazi Germany to name a few. They failed because they used wars as a vehicle to try to achieve those goals. There has yet to be a country that doesn't use that vehicle, maybe one day a country will rise that can achieve a true global paradise using knowledge, experience, tolerance and inclusion leading by example.
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When you allow the disgraced right hand man of the rebelled to be your God, then you forsake your soul and the Father of the true light within revokes the path of eternal life but does not shut the door.
The rays of the true light flourish in the hearts of the chalice of Christ in all man who is not scared to approach Heaven and walk toward Paradise.
Your God is an excuse to wield eternal jealousy upon the creations of Michael, to destroy by anarchy the very mind of earth and the bodies that occupy it.
Not even an earth child is stupid enough to let his tantrum and rage consume the creations that are not his, and ten fold less juvenile and immature than those that follow the order of destruction, for your Daddy of destruction will consume you also. A self consuming failure, and you parade it like it is something worthy, Lucy is gone, but you CHOOSE to do the will of Satan knowing darn well that the reward for your effort is the void, or total soul death... what a waste of mind is that, a futile waste.

All you ever had to do was rise to the Christ within.
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The futile waste is from your genocidal son murdering God who says that the vast majority of us will end in hell because he loves us. Your God deserves hell more than any human. Live in the Noble Lie all you like. Intelligent people can take the truth.

Regards
DL
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The problem with your ilk is the eternal shirking of responsibility. You do what thou wilt and expect eternal life. You destroy all in your path and expect, even believe you deserve eternal life.
You blame God for the things that you do, you destroy then blame God, the truth is that you do not like the truth let alone obey it. You want to be free to destroy and then blame God for your deeds because he did not stop you despite free will being the law, it is you that abuses that gift, not God.
I am so glad that that the highest celestial masters remove the darkest of non compliance to the Universal laws, life would be obliterated otherwise, the good deserve to achieve peace, but cannot achieve it with your ilk in perpetual destruction mode, it is time to get over it.
If you pave the way to your own destruction and complete removal, it is your own choice, your own decision that takes you there, yet you still place blame outside yourselves and get humpy when others see your error and refuse the same path of destruction.
All you needed to do was accept and embrace his love, but you wanted the arrogance of self service and self rule, you wanted it over others, and you wonder why you moved away from the true light, it is all your own self choice.
Very arrogant, very ignorant and very stupid and very destructive and very immature.

I hope that the Universal Father can save all your souls, can show you in time your error, but you have already made your choice, you do not want love, you do not want peace, you do not want goodness and righteousness.

You call our Creator a genocidal murderer, he needn't remove anyone if they do not choose to be destructive and destroy his creations and his beings, you talk of genocide, nothing is more genocidal than you and your ilk. The destruction you have wrought in Satania through your rebellion is unimaginable, yet still you are full of blame.
It comes the right moment in time when you face your own soul and see it for what it is, it is not good and does not deserve the gift of life and is better for all to be recycled back into potential, this I agree with wholeheartedly. Yet you will still continue to the end of yourselves because your pride is greater than truth to you ones, greater than love, the gravest mistake.
You have been given long enough to reconsider your destructive reasoning, and God has never turned away from you, has always held his hand open to you, you are the genocidal maniacs that bring all to ruin, you were even given the chance to prove that you were incapable of nurturing life outside of destruction, he always knew you could not do it, now your time is up.
Michael and our Universal Father of the true light created this and you, you are not greater than it, the sums will never add up.
You forfeit your path to eternal life, it is your choice, always has been while you systematically remove the choice of innocents and have Gods love regardless.
It is a shame, it really is and when you choose to be permanently removed, Our Father and our Universal Father will still love you, will still hope at the last moment that you take the love and repent and join us on the journey through our inner Christ to eternal life.
It is all your own choice!

I love our Father, I came here for our Father in hope that we can save you, it is time to end the tantrum, it is not worth your existence, really.

See people, the truth is, that they want to be uncreated, they want it, that is why they chose to be destructive, they know that eventually they will earn uncreation through their deeds, they want it.
Those that do not want uncreation hope to have a planet of their own, hope to have a dark planet of their own, to do what they wilt, to have eternal pain and damnation for as long as they choose, they do not want to live by the Universal rules pertaining all of nature, they want their own rule, but they are not a creative force, it cannot be.
No doubt you will all get what you want, but it will not be forever.

We will suffer you no longer!
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You shouldn't have started with me. You would feel much better right now.
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Oh I feel better I swear at you. Believe you me.

I would feel even better if I could pay you visit. Want me to do that?
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I don't care wtf you do. And yes, you are correct, you did swear at me. lol. I'm glad swearing at me makes you feel better.
 Quoting: Saptaparna



Ahem. Thanks for editing that.

Of course, I was only role playing with you. YOu knew that, right?

Talk about being messed up, eh?
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It didn't matter if you were RPing me or not. I had fun doing it.

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I do not fear you or the goal op.
really
I know that the benefits for all of us can be truly extraordinary.
My concern is one of trust-
can we trust you with the keys to do the best for all of us?
to do no harm?
to lead us into the future?
Of course we have no choice,but your own secrecy has prevented us from ever seeing your own self policing.
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I have always suspected that the Romans created Christanity
I had always thought that Constantine was responsible though not Titus. Will have to download the book and give it a read through. Anyway so the question for us has still not been answered. Who created or brought us here and why?
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While I do believe that there is an unseen realm, a cosmic consciousness that I found by pushing my apotheosis. It is natural and not supernatural at all. I do not believe in the supernatural.

We were created by nature and evolution.

You give God miracle working powers but if you think of that from a moral sense, if there was such a God, would he allow 10 million children starve to death and die from other preventable causes every year?
No way FMPOV.

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Re: As an Illuminati, I cannot fathom why you fear us.
I did not read the entire thread however I will get to the point.

1. No Fear.


That about sums it up. Although a global paradise is surely something to strive and work hard for and is in everyone's interest (or should be) it is how people go about getting there that is of great importance.

Using deceit, wars, poverty, murder etc, to achieve those goals causes others to use the same tactics against you, hence your perception of fear.

If illuminist were so enlightened they would lead by example of good not evil. Imagine if they started with one country and led by having a free society (free from control of others)and used technology of peace to get rid of poverty, illness and wars? Where everyone truly had an equal chance for education (Real education, not brainwashing) and an equal chance to better themselves?

Said country would become a beacon of hope and millions would flock there and other countries would try to imitate that country. That my friend is leading by example. Not by force and control of others to do someones bidding.

Yes, there would be envy and I am sure other countries might get an idea to destroy said country, that it why it is imperative to have a strong military for defense as the best defense is to be able to destroy any aggressor soundly and decisively on any and every battlefield before too much damage and death occurs.

Empires have tried to achieve something similar using force namely Rome and Nazi Germany to name a few. They failed because they used wars as a vehicle to try to achieve those goals. There has yet to be a country that doesn't use that vehicle, maybe one day a country will rise that can achieve a true global paradise using knowledge, experience, tolerance and inclusion leading by example.
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No argument with the thrust of you reply except for the military part. If a country has a military they will use it.

As you can see this clip, we are moving where you wish to go
and all I propose is an open and transparent system based on truth to be put in place instead of this one where we do not know who our real masters are. In religious terms, this means taking on the sign of the beast. I prefer to follow the beast I know and can have some control over instead of our situation now where we do not know who the beast is. We already wear his sign; we just do not know or control him.

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11/08/2012 08:06 AM

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Re: As an Illuminati, I cannot fathom why you fear us.
I do not fear you or the goal op.
really
I know that the benefits for all of us can be truly extraordinary.
My concern is one of trust-
can we trust you with the keys to do the best for all of us?
to do no harm?
to lead us into the future?
Of course we have no choice,but your own secrecy has prevented us from ever seeing your own self policing.
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The secrecy is forced on us by the public who fear to take on the sign of the beast, so to speak, and your misguided notion that you are a free people. You are not. But you can be if you allow and demand open and transparent system.

By sign of the beast I just mean that we must all accept a position in a socio economic demographic pyramid and let the top determine the shape of the common with the participation of the common. Right now the top rules. Take a number of the beast and you have a say in how you are ruled and know it because the system is transparent. You have to give up economic freedom to the whole to make the whole more stable and profitable.

That is high school economics my friend and all that I propose. Know your master and he will give you stability and security and a higher level of wealth in the long term. Long term just being a couple of years.

We are doing quite well as a world but can do better with the minimum of change.

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11/08/2012 06:20 PM
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Re: As an Illuminati, I cannot fathom why you fear us.
Not only are you arrogant, you are delusional and believe your thoughts are good. You truly do believe that the nonsense above is good.
This is why many want to bail of YOUR system, it stinks to hell and back.
The only discrepancy I have with God if you like, is that he created you ones, that was his only mistake.

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