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Goodbye free health care, hello 30 hour work week

 
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I'm a computer / hardware tech.

I've been working 30 hours a week for the last 5 years, and have salary and full medical / dental / vision.

3 day weekends. I have a good, relaxed life.
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OK I'll bite. What job is that?

Since years ago, all the professional jobs I've had are basically 50 hours/week, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.
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You know, if we just spent less money on our military this wouldn't be too big an issue. I love how so many GLPtards are still stuck in the 2 party brainwashing.
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You know, if we spent more money on actual education instead of on placating government school union teachers who then brainwash our youth against the military and for socialism, there would be fewer completely fucking stupid morons like yourself to clutter up cyberspace.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
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Good riddance. Someone else will take your place.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Well just make sure you increase the wage per hour and everything will be OK. You could pay exactly the same amount of weekly salary by doing this conversion. Now 30 hours is not a good number, you must decrease the hours to 24 hours a week. Foe example:

40 hours at $10 per hour = $400 a week
24 hours at $16.67 per hour = $400 a week

24 hours a week is mentally and physically healthy for the people, specially if they have children.
But to be fair if you cut hours you have to increase the wage.
Otherwise the government will crush your company.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18814915


Wow, you have a lot of confidence.

Fortunately you are wrong and (maybe except Puerto Rico, I don't know what it's like there) nobody has to hire that way.

And the government doesn't have the tools to crush such a company, even though you wish they would.
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Employers are too cheap.

Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees.


This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves.

They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


you wanna pay for my healthcare? its only 300 a month.
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Go for it. I want to blame Obama for this mess.

I am so upset that he won. DRATS!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24425839


Blame the cheap employers. Why blame the guy who is trying to provide affordable healthcare for you and your family.

Get a clue.
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affordable? silly dems.
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Employers are too cheap.

Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees.


This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves.

They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Go open your own pizza shop and do it the way YOU THINK it should be done! You are ignorant... and feel entitled for what reason?

Those of us that own businesses are the ones that put it all at risk and employees like yourself get upset because we don't give you everything.

They're called BENEFITS not ENTITLEMENTS!
lala
 Quoting: CurbSide


Greedy fucks like this make my blood boil. Are we supposed to slave away working 40-50 hours a week and never get a holiday or a vacation? Are you that fucking greedy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25648538


Greedy? You have no idea how much I give to others.. Including my employees. What are you so angry about?

Your response shows you will never get it.
If I don't aim... no one can say I missed.
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I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3643010


See what I mean, employers don't care about your health.

Finally we have an affordable system and they don't even want that for you.

Employers should be doing back flips now that they can provide healthcare for their employees.

NOT!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


why not the individual person keep up with their own health? why should the employer do it? silly dems.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Well just make sure you increase the wage per hour and everything will be OK. You could pay exactly the same amount of weekly salary by doing this conversion. Now 30 hours is not a good number, you must decrease the hours to 24 hours a week. Foe example:

40 hours at $10 per hour = $400 a week
24 hours at $16.67 per hour = $400 a week

24 hours a week is mentally and physically healthy for the people, specially if they have children.
But to be fair if you cut hours you have to increase the wage.
Otherwise the government will crush your company.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18814915


I'll have some of what you're smoking please.
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Wow, everyone is so busy arguing pointless details to see the big picture.

I posted 3 times and no one gets it?

That or I am being intelligently filtered................


It is about job creation and redistributing wealth.



If we have 100 jobs working 40 hr/wk

We could have 200 jobs at 20 hr/wk and make it look like jobs climbed 100% with 100 new jobs.

But, there is no additional wealth put into society with these job gains. So the wealth is redistributed to the newly employed part timer.

The result is even more jobs created when the previously employed at 40+ hrs has to get a second job.

Suddenly no body has insurance because the employer doesnt need to provide insurance (30 and under hrs)

Now Obammy can force you to purchase insurance out of pocket.






I can not believe America fell for this great rip off!!!
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Excellent! I agree with you on this one. Not sure why others don't see it. As for the healthcare, most folks who think they support it would not if they actually knew what the legislation contained. THERE IS NO FREE HEALTHCARE!!!! You either get health insurance, pay a penalty (which has been increased, btw) or go on one of the government plans. There are no fee lunches, folks!
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The worst part is most Americans are too fucking stupid to know what they have done.
Gimme-gimme-gimme! = We are fucked.
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Obaaaaamaaaa gave me afone! So im gonn vote fo him.

And THAT is the reason we all need to bend over the desk and take what's coming!

I am DUMBFOUNDED that ingnorant welfare crackheads will make sure they get out to vote to save their sorry asses but not actually be a useful part of society.

Good thing we have the baby machines! Keep pumping out those welfare babes! Cause Obaaaaama is gonn take good care of you!

Unfuckingbelievable! suicide
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regardless who's in the whitehouse, any employer who treats his/her employees as no more than a statistical detail to measure against profit is a dick. these are people. with families and lives.
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11/07/2012 04:04 PM
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Employers are too cheap.

Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees.


This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves.

They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Go open your own pizza shop and do it the way YOU THINK it should be done! You are ignorant... and feel entitled for what reason?

Those of us that own businesses are the ones that put it all at risk and employees like yourself get upset because we don't give you everything.

They're called BENEFITS not ENTITLEMENTS!
lala
 Quoting: CurbSide


Greedy fucks like this make my blood boil. Are we supposed to slave away working 40-50 hours a week and never get a holiday or a vacation? Are you that fucking greedy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25648538


Greedy? You have no idea how much I give to others.. Including my employees. What are you so angry about?

Your response shows you will never get it.
 Quoting: CurbSide


I have worked for companies where you have to PAY a union just to have them FIGHT for your benefits. Now how fucked up is it that a union has to decide if you get benefits, and then you have to PAY dues to get them.
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I am an american who moved to NZ.

I used to pay about $500/mo to cover myself and 2 children on my state provided health insurance (I was a teacher). (state paid half of mine so total cost was $750/mo)

My husband wasn't covered by my insurance at work but would have added $400/mo.


we moved to NZ with socialized medicine.


if you need stitches or have an infected finger, this system rocks!
I pay $20 co pay (higher other places) for a doctor's visit and $3 for prescriptions.

But god forbid something happens to you!!

have a heart attack? go to hospital, stay about 5 ho v urs until stable and then SENT HOME. (it was free but you get what you pay for)

and wait for the referral to the cardiologist. That took 7 weeks to arrive.

the appointment for the heart monitor (not even to see the cardiologist yet) was over a month after the referral letter arrived.

it takes another month to actually see the cardiologist.

hope the heart condition is not serious.


We pay well over 50% of our income in taxes (we have a progressive flat tax here of about 20 up to 70,000 and then 35% over that) and the goods and service tax (on every penny you spend) is 15% (on land, on food, on EVERYTHING)

and yet, to have any kind of healthcare, we need to spend over $200 per month on insurance here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728


If you combined this with taking better care of yourself, and eating a healthier diet- and exercising this simple could be wonderful....
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11/07/2012 04:07 PM
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OP, it's funny how "employees" think that businesses exist ONLY to make the employee happy.

The truth is that business exists to make profit for the owner(s) and the employees are an unavoidable annoyance.

All employees are replaceable.

You don't like it?

Take a hike.
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11/07/2012 04:09 PM
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LOL @ 30 hrs a week. Rookies...... no wonder USA has sunk
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19170904

So you're saying that people in Canada generally work 30 or less hours a week and still have to pay hundreds a month for insurance policies? I didn't think so.

Are you guys even reading the post? People WANT/NEED to work full time, but can't. Most of the jobs lost in the recession were full-time high wage jobs, nearly ALL of the jobs created this year (in the private sector), are low wage Part-time jobs.
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Don't by Chinese $hit. Also, don't buy houses and cars that you can not afford. Should be a nice starting point.
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you're saying goodbye to something that never existed

maybe the prices of things i buy will no longer be distorted and jacked up to pay for "free" health care
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11/07/2012 04:10 PM
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Go for it. I want to blame Obama for this mess.

I am so upset that he won. DRATS!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24425839


Blame the cheap employers. Why blame the guy who is trying to provide affordable healthcare for you and your family.

Get a clue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


FORCED health care, I already have all the health care I need, I don't Need Obamatic's help.
 Quoting: Etrn9T


yep, forced. but your gonna get brobamas help, but you will have to wait in line.
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I'm guessing more illegals coming over and more under the table paying jobs that democratic owners do so often.
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Health care and health insurance never should have been the responsibility of the employer. Employer provided "health insurance" is what started the massive increase in health care costs.

I think we would be better off with government subsidized insurance coverage for catastrophic hospitalization coverage that is not linked to the employer. All people should have equal access regardless of what company they work for. Routine doctor visits should be payed directly by the individual.

Employers should have never gotten involved in the health insurance business.
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11/07/2012 04:21 PM
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Employer provided "health insurance" is what started the massive increase in health care costs.

TRUE. Them people think its gonna be free. right now it costs 3800 bucks when a doctor sticks a tiny camera up your butt.



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Employers should have never gotten involved in the health insurance business.
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That's funny cause the whole corrupt system is based on parasites sucking blood from working people, no matter who is the pResident (I am not talking about Bull$shit financial, resell and outsourcing crap-scheme-
"businesses")
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11/07/2012 04:25 PM
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Its mandatory here for a employee to work min 48 hours/week (IT sector)... shocked 30 hrs a week is unimaginable ... good luck
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Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas.

I am not alone in this thinking.
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Then they will arrest you for the new regulations of evading health-care without proper court determined bankruptcy.
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11/07/2012 04:28 PM
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Commie shit?
A system that is trying to provide health care for all so that a woman (a grandmother, mother, daughter, sister) with breast cancer can get it treated rather than it be a death sentence.

So that from the time it is diagnosed to her death (if left untreated) the cancer does not break through her skin, weeping.

Commie shit?

[link to www.nytimes.com]

No you have that confused with (Christian/other faiths) compassion and social justice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5486956



How about the government slash military spending to finance their healthcare plan. Over HALF of our country's entire budget goes to war and genocide. For what, so we can protect ourselves from an imaginary bogeyman in a cave?

I'm not against salty care. I'm against their methodology because it is wrong, it is corrupt, it is unfair, and it is destructive.

If they even took 5% of their war budget and put it towards a new healthcare system everyone in the nation would be covered. But you want to come and steal from me while you continue your genocidal campaign? Pardon me but fuck that and fuck you. I will go to my grave before I accept that tyrannical bullshit.

This is my country. Those people in DC are our representatives. They are NOT our leaders. They WORK for the American citizenry. This stuff has gotten way out of control and I am drawing the line.

You people voted that crook into office now you must deal with your decision. I will die before I accept obamascare in my business. I will not accept it. It is criminal and wrong. Tell your Obama to cut military spending for your obesity sickness. I'm not paying. End of story.
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As someone who doesn't live in the U.S,
can you please explain why you don't want free healthcare?
here in N.Z anything goes wrong, accident or disease, and you are treated, easy, free, no problems.

We don't have to pay ridiculous taxes to make it work either.
If it works for us surely the great country of Merica can pull it off?

and we also don't bitch about the 'freeloaders' that make use of this basic human right.

I really get confused at the lack of compassion and empathy from people that like to think of themselves as 'Christian'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26842264


First off , Its NOT free. Obamacare is directly punishing the job creators. It wasnt enough that they drove out big business. BIG business got smart and left to avoid a 30% Corporate Tax (highest in the world) I might add. So now they are left with no option but to attack us small business in this country. Tell me then who exactly is going to pay the bills once 80% of small business close shop??
If your seriously trying to restore the middle class , why the hell sink so many of us that are trying to keep this country afloat? Its like cutting your feet off before you begin the marathon. Is 47% of your country "free loaders" like it is over here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4613981


When Obama says "middle class" he means at best what I would call "working class". And he considers everyone "talented" no matter how, um, stupid they are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


Speaking of stupid people..... Perhaps you need to educate yourself on the difference between "middle" and "working " class. The cut-off between working class and middle class is more specifically where a population spends money primarily as a lifestyle rather than for sustenance.
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11/07/2012 04:44 PM
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EXACTLY op. I just got off the phone with my mom and that's exactly what she's going to do to keep the factory under 50 employees. Shes going to (and I'm sure I'll get hate for this) cut the known Obama supporters to part-time.

It's either cut hours or lose another American factory.
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Wow, everyone is so busy arguing pointless details to see the big picture.

I posted 3 times and no one gets it?

That or I am being intelligently filtered................


It is about job creation and redistributing wealth.



If we have 100 jobs working 40 hr/wk

We could have 200 jobs at 20 hr/wk and make it look like jobs climbed 100% with 100 new jobs.

But, there is no additional wealth put into society with these job gains. So the wealth is redistributed to the newly employed part timer.

The result is even more jobs created when the previously employed at 40+ hrs has to get a second job.

Suddenly no body has insurance because the employer doesnt need to provide insurance (30 and under hrs)

Now Obammy can force you to purchase insurance out of pocket.






I can not believe America fell for this great rip off!!!
 Quoting: --Voltaic--




Not only that, but those 200 20-hour/week workers will not have the "disposable income" to go and buy things. If no one can afford to buy what the companies produce, those companies will go out of business, creating more unemployment and more people desperately sucking on the Government teat. It's a downward spiral, and once it has begun there is little to no chance of coming out of it.
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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As someone who doesn't live in the U.S,
can you please explain why you don't want free healthcare?
here in N.Z anything goes wrong, accident or disease, and you are treated, easy, free, no problems.

We don't have to pay ridiculous taxes to make it work either.
If it works for us surely the great country of Merica can pull it off?

and we also don't bitch about the 'freeloaders' that make use of this basic human right.

I really get confused at the lack of compassion and empathy from people that like to think of themselves as 'Christian'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26842264


In NZ your health care is paid for by your income tax, the US wants to make the employer pay for private health care for all employees. Totally different scenario and hardly "free" if you are an employer. Add to that the US healthcare system is hideously expensive.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


lots of companies have already started making the move to all part time employees
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


link?

That's what I thought...no link, just more bullshit Repuke rhetoric.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25400765


I'm a temp through a staffing service, I work 40 hours a week but to the company I'm definitely not a full timer.
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Wow, everyone is so busy arguing pointless details to see the big picture.

I posted 3 times and no one gets it?

That or I am being intelligently filtered................


It is about job creation and redistributing wealth.



If we have 100 jobs working 40 hr/wk

We could have 200 jobs at 20 hr/wk and make it look like jobs climbed 100% with 100 new jobs.

But, there is no additional wealth put into society with these job gains. So the wealth is redistributed to the newly employed part timer.

The result is even more jobs created when the previously employed at 40+ hrs has to get a second job.

Suddenly no body has insurance because the employer doesnt need to provide insurance (30 and under hrs)

Now Obammy can force you to purchase insurance out of pocket.






I can not believe America fell for this great rip off!!!
 Quoting: --Voltaic--




Not only that, but those 200 20-hour/week workers will not have the "disposable income" to go and buy things. If no one can afford to buy what the companies produce, those companies will go out of business, creating more unemployment and more people desperately sucking on the Government teat. It's a downward spiral, and once it has begun there is little to no chance of coming out of it.
 Quoting: Eggcellent


They will be forced to get 2nd jobs. So they make up the lost income.

Now they are back to their 40 hrs/wk but with a twist.

Now they have two jobs instead of one. And overtime is not going to happen either. Because they need to work 40 hrs at one job to get overtime. Which is 20 hrs away for each part time job.


It is a big F U to the middle class

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