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Goodbye free health care, hello 30 hour work week

 
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Its mandatory here for a employee to work min 48 hours/week (IT sector)... shocked 30 hrs a week is unimaginable ... good luck
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Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas.

I am not alone in this thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Talk to someone like a tax person and they will tell you that part time people will be counted as well. The hours will be added together and so many will equal a full time person. Just finished talking to my guy about this.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
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Yes indeed.

Today I will be firing 12 employees. Damn shame, they are all very good, but the profit margin on my business after Obamacare doesn't allow me to be charitable.

Unlike Obama, affirmative action doesn't hand me everything I want.

So, goodbye America. I quit. No more business, no more production, no more paying taxes.

Gimme my Obamaphone, and then fuck off and die.

ohappy
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Good for you mate, those commies who support Obama should be jobless now, they are fucking employers for the past 10 years but this is now going to end, so badly.

Why would you pay huge taxes and generate jobs while they ass fuck you ?
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all the companies have done
is just made their own employees
pay the health tax. as an individual
you are still required by law to have
insurance whether you work 2 hrs a week
or 50 hrs a week. congrats, your
employer just passed the buck to you.
Not to mention you will be earning
less every week with reduced hrs.

how's that change working out for ya ?
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Why does your employer have to pay your healthcare, isn't that YOUR job? This is almost as laughably pathetic as our NHS. Socialised healthcare quickly devolves into idiots taking more risks with their health and freeloaders who already live a free life on welfare taking out what they didn't pay in.
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This is how Obama is going to make more jobs.

Not by helping the economy, rather by forcing people to work less hours. Thus, another person is hired to fill the gap.

But it actually reduces income across MOST of the USA.
Do your absolute best and the rest is fate.
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Employers are too cheap.

Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees.


This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves.

They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


This is where you people are wrong. It is NOT the employer's responsibility to provide people 'benefits' or healthcare. THAT is the entire crux of the problem.

You slackers want to the government to tax business to pay for your hypochondriac tendencies. If I have to pay that then I reserve the right to dictate what you eat, how much alcohol you drink, and if you are allowed to smoke.

The entire health benefit enigma is a fraudulent scam. The government can not force this. We will revolt and punish the employees. That's just the way it is. You think you are entitled but you are not. You slackers are dillusional. You think that businesses are an inexhaustible pool of money when in truth most barely get by. Just because the company owner makes a couple dollars does not mean the company is raking in money. And even if the owner reduced his own salary to minimum wage it can never amount to paying healthcare for all the employees. It quite simply will not work.

Even if it could work, the healthcare you would receive would be a nightmare like military style healthcare with death panels and mandatory vaccinations. You people fucked up. Get ready to pay for being greedy.
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As a business owner, I agree.
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Its mandatory here for a employee to work min 48 hours/week (IT sector)... shocked 30 hrs a week is unimaginable ... good luck
 Quoting: GMarq


Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas.

I am not alone in this thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Talk to someone like a tax person and they will tell you that part time people will be counted as well. The hours will be added together and so many will equal a full time person. Just finished talking to my guy about this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20524828


If you have less than 50 peeps, u don't have to provide healthcare. So tiny business is exempt.
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I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused.
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Fucking lying Repuke.

Post a scan of said paper, otherwise kindly...

stfu
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No You stfu The company is Northstar Casteel in the southpark district of Seattle at 802 N.Bradford st.

I didn't get a copy it went into a file. So go suck Obama's sausage you mouth breathing Walmartian.
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Pieces of shit like the OP are why I'm self employed
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Its mandatory here for a employee to work min 48 hours/week (IT sector)... shocked 30 hrs a week is unimaginable ... good luck
 Quoting: GMarq


Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas.

I am not alone in this thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Talk to someone like a tax person and they will tell you that part time people will be counted as well. The hours will be added together and so many will equal a full time person. Just finished talking to my guy about this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20524828


If you have less than 50 peeps, u don't have to provide healthcare. So tiny business is exempt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


For now....
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Employers are too cheap.

Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees.


This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves.

They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


This is where you people are wrong. It is NOT the employer's responsibility to provide people 'benefits' or healthcare. THAT is the entire crux of the problem.

You slackers want to the government to tax business to pay for your hypochondriac tendencies. If I have to pay that then I reserve the right to dictate what you eat, how much alcohol you drink, and if you are allowed to smoke.

The entire health benefit enigma is a fraudulent scam. The government can not force this. We will revolt and punish the employees. That's just the way it is. You think you are entitled but you are not. You slackers are dillusional. You think that businesses are an inexhaustible pool of money when in truth most barely get by. Just because the company owner makes a couple dollars does not mean the company is raking in money. And even if the owner reduced his own salary to minimum wage it can never amount to paying healthcare for all the employees. It quite simply will not work.

Even if it could work, the healthcare you would receive would be a nightmare like military style healthcare with death panels and mandatory vaccinations. You people fucked up. Get ready to pay for being greedy.
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As a business owner, I agree.
 Quoting: Justalittlebad


I have lived in a socialist country and the healthcare is very nice, thank you very much.

If you punish employees, you will suffer the consequences because we all rely on each other, genius.

You need to get the hell out of the way as John Galt would say.

Go out of business and let another entrepreneur take your place, one that can turn a decent profit.

Bye now!

5a
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
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I second that emotion. Obamacare ...s226
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The best part of this thread are the people that own a business. bsflag
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
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why don't just close up shop and go somewhere that will kiss your ass like you deserve... same with everyone else you know that "feels the same". seriously just get the fuck out.
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For those of you on here spouti.g crap. Employers DO classify employees as part time and REGULARLY work them 40 hours or more. This is to avoid paying ben.efits. Try to fight it. I dare
u. Rude awakening
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Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas.

I am not alone in this thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Talk to someone like a tax person and they will tell you that part time people will be counted as well. The hours will be added together and so many will equal a full time person. Just finished talking to my guy about this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20524828


If you have less than 50 peeps, u don't have to provide healthcare. So tiny business is exempt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


For now....
 Quoting: Justalittlebad


Yes but part timers are counted to get you over 50. It's in the bill.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


why don't just close up shop and go somewhere that will kiss your ass like you deserve... same with everyone else you know that "feels the same". seriously just get the fuck out.
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So, if we in fact do that, who pays for your free shit?
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I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused.
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Fucking lying Repuke.

Post a scan of said paper, otherwise kindly...

stfu
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No You stfu The company is Northstar Casteel in the southpark district of Seattle at 802 N.Bradford st.

I didn't get a copy it went into a file. So go suck Obama's sausage you mouth breathing Walmartian.
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LOL! I just contacted the company, and you're a lying Repuke sack of shit!

Typical Repuke...oh so typical!

lol
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


I believe you sum up perfectly the tight ass'ed money grabbing scum employers who don't give a F**K for their employees type of business "entrepreneur".

And you wonder why American business and manufacturing is the laughing stock of the world....

Love live America..........

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Read it your self. This is structured so that after a "few" years the fines companies would pay are LESS than the costs to insure their employees.

I run my business without employees. I hire independent contractors(IC) and "sell" them the merchandise the deliver to my contracted customers. As payment for product I accept the invoices they generate at point of sale. The difference between what I charge my IC for merchandise and the invoice cost given my contracted customers becomes their "gross pay." I refer to this amount as "reimbursement for overpayment." It is on the checks for all 43 of my IC's.
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For those of you on here spouti.g crap. Employers DO classify employees as part time and REGULARLY work them 40 hours or more. This is to avoid paying ben.efits. Try to fight it. I dare
u. Rude awakening
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7015479


they've done that for over 20 years now... nothing new and no one i am willing to work for...

i'm about to say fuck it to both the fit throwin, sore loser "business owners" and the lazy fucks and go it alone so deep in the forest i'll be long gone before society reaches me again.
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Pieces of shit like the OP are why I'm self employed
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Leeching off the Government is NOT being self employment sir.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


I believe you sum up perfectly the tight ass'ed money grabbing scum employers who don't give a F**K for their employees type of business "entrepreneur".

And you wonder why American business and manufacturing is the laughing stock of the world....

Love live America..........

whatever
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^--- is english not your native tongue? I don't really understand your point.
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Employer fines also are imposed even when workers are not full-time employees (the law counts 30 hour per week blocks by part-time workers toward an employers “full-time employee” employment count).[3] This provision in the bill especially hurts seasonal businesses, where it is frequently not cost effective to provide insurance benefits to an employee who will only be with the firm for a short period of time. The result will be employers looking for ways to avoid new hiring.

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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


why don't just close up shop and go somewhere that will kiss your ass like you deserve... same with everyone else you know that "feels the same". seriously just get the fuck out.
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So, if we in fact do that, who pays for your free shit?
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i wish i got free shit... i'm sick of both of your shit... butt hurt sore loser
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Employers are too cheap.

Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees.


This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves.

They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022




You slackers want to the government to tax business to pay for your hypochondriac tendencies. If I have to pay that then I reserve the right to dictate what you eat, how much alcohol you drink, and if you are allowed to smoke.


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I worked for a company that wouldnt hire any employers who smoke.




Very lovely of you to assume that your employers are slackers. I'm going to assume you don't pay them enough to afford health care on their own and are therefor an asshole for bitching because now you have to care just a little bit more for the people who make it possible for you to put a little money in their pockets.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


lots of companies have already started making the move to all part time employees
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Obama will just pass laws to make it nearly impossible to do that. He will pass stiff penalties if that is the game they want to play.
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Then they close, companies don't need to exist.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


why don't just close up shop and go somewhere that will kiss your ass like you deserve... same with everyone else you know that "feels the same". seriously just get the fuck out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3946954


So, if we in fact do that, who pays for your free shit?
 Quoting: Justalittlebad


i wish i got free shit... i'm sick of both of your shit... butt hurt sore loser
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3946954

i honestly don't want free shit and have never been given free shit in my life... i want compassionate republicans and democrats willing to try... everyone is so goddamn butthurt, shortsighted and stupid. me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me mine mine mine mine mine mine



we are so fucked... from all angles:(
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Then get the hell out of the way.

This is a capitalist society.

Another entrepreneur will just take your market.

Bye now
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Yea, that's what libtards have been saying in France for quite awhile. Only problem is that people, including business owners, act a certain way. So in France there has seen chronically high unemployment for a few decades. It's now worse than before because hardcore socialists have been put in charge of running things by all the libs of France.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Yes indeed.

Today I will be firing 12 employees. Damn shame, they are all very good, but the profit margin on my business after Obamacare doesn't allow me to be charitable.

Unlike Obama, affirmative action doesn't hand me everything I want.

So, goodbye America. I quit. No more business, no more production, no more paying taxes.

Gimme my Obamaphone, and then fuck off and die.

ohappy
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Then get the hell out of the way.

This is a capitalist society.

Another entrepreneur will just take your market.

Bye now

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


We used to own a small restaurant and we worked most of the hours ourselves until business picked up and we needed to hire a few employees.
We had "x" amount of dollars for payroll and we hired in at minimum wage but threw in small bonuses if we had a REALLY good month.
When minimum wage was increased we had to cut a few hours because we still had the same "x" amount of dollars for payroll.

I don't know where people think all this extra "insurance" money is going to come from in this economy.

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