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Goodbye free health care, hello 30 hour work week

 
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why don't we add a healthcare tariff to imports ???

might make your iPhone cast $1000 ... but hey
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iPhone is not the only "phone" you know... made in China btw.
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I agree this is what will happen as I see something else they have been doing: 1099 for full time.

I and many others I know are 1099 for long term. that means no SS, unemployment, and other payroll issues.

if you want a job in Florida on the lower end of the wage scale that is one way to lesson your cost so they are doing it though it is a form of tax evasion.

Take it or starve.
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That is an illegal tactic that too many employers use. If you as an employer provide the items and equipment to do the job, set the hours of work and tell how the job will be performed you have hired an employee, not a contractor.
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Lot's of people about to lose their jobs altogether from this...

Wall St. is giving thier opinion of this election even as we speak...
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... and the markets are frowning. To say the least.
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"markets" = great fraud = BS
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
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Another prediction from the crowd that predicted Romney would crush Obama.
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OP it sounds like you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Personally I'd love a 30 hour work week where I could have a better work-life balance rather than being a corporate slave 40+ hours a week.
 Quoting: Mr. E 5439566


Why don't you go to your boss then and tell him/her that you want to give up your health coverage, and go part time down to a 30 hour week. I guarantee you they'll do it.

I own a business too. I put my house and all my assets on the line with the bank to establish the cash line of credit to get the business going. My wife and I risked everything we have to get going. I now employ 42 people. None of them would risk shit to start their own business. But they think nothing of trying to tell me how to run mine.

It's people like YOU who are just as much the problem....the ones who think they are entitled to a job, entitled to the same pay and benefits of the ones who risked everything to build it.

This healthcare law, best as we can tell, is going to cost my company an additional 68,000 dollars next year. That's a lot. That's two more people I could have employed if you want to look at it that way. I'm near retirement. I think every day about selling out. The only reason I don't yet is becuase I have 42 people counting on me for ther families and livelyhood.

Fuck you chum.
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I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused.
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Fucking lying Repuke.

Post a scan of said paper, otherwise kindly...

stfu
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Dimwit.
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OP it sounds like you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Personally I'd love a 30 hour work week where I could have a better work-life balance rather than being a corporate slave 40+ hours a week.
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Why don't you go to your boss then and tell him/her that you want to give up your health coverage, and go part time down to a 30 hour week. I guarantee you they'll do it.

I own a business too. I put my house and all my assets on the line with the bank to establish the cash line of credit to get the business going. My wife and I risked everything we have to get going. I now employ 42 people. None of them would risk shit to start their own business. But they think nothing of trying to tell me how to run mine.

It's people like YOU who are just as much the problem....the ones who think they are entitled to a job, entitled to the same pay and benefits of the ones who risked everything to build it.

This healthcare law, best as we can tell, is going to cost my company an additional 68,000 dollars next year. That's a lot. That's two more people I could have employed if you want to look at it that way. I'm near retirement. I think every day about selling out. The only reason I don't yet is becuase I have 42 people counting on me for ther families and livelyhood.

Fuck you chum.
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What your business actually does? Does it produce things? or its another fast food BS or resell shop?
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


lots of companies have already started making the move to all part time employees
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Obama will just pass laws to make it nearly impossible to do that. He will pass stiff penalties if that is the game they want to play.
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might as well just dissolve Congress....Obama will rule by decree? Is that what you are saying?
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Yes indeed.

Today I will be firing 12 employees. Damn shame, they are all very good, but the profit margin on my business after Obamacare doesn't allow me to be charitable.

Unlike Obama, affirmative action doesn't hand me everything I want.

So, goodbye America. I quit. No more business, no more production, no more paying taxes.

Gimme my Obamaphone, and then fuck off and die.

ohappy
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WHO IS JOHN GALT
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11/07/2012 09:44 AM
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So I have always wondered why is health insurance so damn expensive anyway? Wouldn't it have been better to reform the insurance industry and stop the price gouging from hospitals rather than forcing people to literally work themselves to death? What an oxymoron work yourself sick so you can have healthcare, backwards thinking.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Yes indeed.

Today I will be firing 12 employees. Damn shame, they are all very good, but the profit margin on my business after Obamacare doesn't allow me to be charitable.

Unlike Obama, affirmative action doesn't hand me everything I want.

So, goodbye America. I quit. No more business, no more production, no more paying taxes.

Gimme my Obamaphone, and then fuck off and die.

ohappy
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clappa
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11/07/2012 09:46 AM
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So I am completely ignorant when it comes to Obamacare and have a few questions for somebody that knows what they are talking about.

If employers will be required to provide health insurance for full-time employees, will that still hold true for employees who are full-time and covered under a spouse's policy?

An example would be a military spouse working a full-time job. They would be 100% covered by Tricare. If they didn't have to supply health insurance would it not be more beneficial for employers to hire people already covered by somebody elses insurance policy?
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I have a business, and I very fair with my employees. When we make money, they make money.
There's some weeks they pull in more than me.

It takes some balls to put your ass on the line for a start up business, I went through hell to get it up and running.

If I can't afford the health care, what are my choices. I cut back or layoff.
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11/07/2012 09:47 AM
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I work 20h a week AND I have free health care. Sweden rules.
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I work 20h a week AND I have free health care. Sweden rules.
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You guys make an awesome meatball too!
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I have a business, and I very fair with my employees. When we make money, they make money.
There's some weeks they pull in more than me.

It takes some balls to put your ass on the line for a start up business, I went through hell to get it up and running.

If I can't afford the health care, what are my choices. I cut back or layoff.
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What your business actually does? Does it produce things? or its another fast food BS or resell shop?
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11/07/2012 09:49 AM

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[link to brainshavings.com]

Read it your self. This is structured so that after a "few" years the fines companies would pay are LESS than the costs to insure their employees.

I run my business without employees. I hire independent contractors(IC) and "sell" them the merchandise the deliver to my contracted customers. As payment for product I accept the invoices they generate at point of sale. The difference between what I charge my IC for merchandise and the invoice cost given my contracted customers becomes their "gross pay." I refer to this amount as "reimbursement for overpayment." It is on the checks for all 43 of my IC's.
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You are correct, this will be the model moving forward for me too. I run 45 employees and 15 contractors in the technology services area. I will be moving to less employees and more contractors because of all the government forms and taxes you have to do for employees.

When you are a contractor in IT consulting, you are 1099 and own everything. income tax and healthcare.

Makes my bookkeeping cleaner.

And, when a project ends. I don't have to carry them on the bench either. Cut.

verycool
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IT is one of the few areas that you can get away with that...Big Brother is very strict about who can and cannot be a 1099. Believe me, we've gotten in big trouble trying to list a 1099 when they should have been W-2.
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Wait till you see when the large DOD centric corporations (especially the DoD funding suckers) have in stored. Congress is going to have a sequestration and all these major employers are going to have massive lay-offs that will rock this country's economy. Not saying it's a bad thing as this country is to dependent upon Uncle Sam's war machine, but it was one of the issues that Obamma and his minions swept under the rug during this re-elction. That's when the real fun starts....plus the bread lines.

It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
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lots of companies have already started making the move to all part time employees
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The worst part is most Americans are too fucking stupid to know what they have done.
Gimme-gimme-gimme! = We are fucked.
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Well, not really.

If you stop and look at the big picture,

EVERYTHING will change December 21, 2012.

ObamaCare will become - Null & Void - January 2014.
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so we can pay everyone half of what they made, and we don't have to listen to them complain if we give them 30 hours a week and we save MOney?? YESSSS!!!
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I have a business, and I very fair with my employees. When we make money, they make money.
There's some weeks they pull in more than me.

It takes some balls to put your ass on the line for a start up business, I went through hell to get it up and running.

If I can't afford the health care, what are my choices. I cut back or layoff.
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What your business actually does? Does it produce things? or its another fast food BS or resell shop?
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Fabrication, steel. No bullshit buy sell crap.

Yes, we did build that.
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I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3643010


Fucking lying Repuke.

Post a scan of said paper, otherwise kindly...

stfu
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No You stfu The company is Northstar Casteel in the southpark district of Seattle at 802 N.Bradford st.

I didn't get a copy it went into a file. So go suck Obama's sausage you mouth breathing Walmartian.
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LOL! I just contacted the company, and you're a lying Repuke sack of shit!

Typical Repuke...oh so typical!

lol
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Hmmm...Right now it is 6:48 am pacific standard time and seeing as how the office doors don't open until 9:00 PST I find it hard to believe that you were able to reach anyone in the office. So blah blah blah ya dumb ass lib-tard-Obama-Nazi-mouth breathing Walmartian-
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I have a business, and I very fair with my employees. When we make money, they make money.
There's some weeks they pull in more than me.

It takes some balls to put your ass on the line for a start up business, I went through hell to get it up and running.

If I can't afford the health care, what are my choices. I cut back or layoff.
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What your business actually does? Does it produce things? or its another fast food BS or resell shop?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16098716


Fabrication, steel. No bullshit buy sell crap.

Yes, we did build that.
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Good for you! I am sure that if whatever you do it actually NEEDED you are going to be just fine.
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So I am completely ignorant when it comes to Obamacare and have a few questions for somebody that knows what they are talking about.

If employers will be required to provide health insurance for full-time employees, will that still hold true for employees who are full-time and covered under a spouse's policy?

An example would be a military spouse working a full-time job. They would be 100% covered by Tricare. If they didn't have to supply health insurance would it not be more beneficial for employers to hire people already covered by somebody elses insurance policy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12637870


My insurance has a working spouse fee, if my spouse opts out of insurance at work and is insured on my policy I pay $200 per month more, however if spouse is insured at work there is no additional fee to have my policy as secondary coverage. I don't know if that's the same everywhere.
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So I am completely ignorant when it comes to Obamacare and have a few questions for somebody that knows what they are talking about.

If employers will be required to provide health insurance for full-time employees, will that still hold true for employees who are full-time and covered under a spouse's policy?

An example would be a military spouse working a full-time job. They would be 100% covered by Tricare. If they didn't have to supply health insurance would it not be more beneficial for employers to hire people already covered by somebody elses insurance policy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12637870


They have to make it "available". You don't have to take it. And you will pay the full premium, so it doesn't matter to them if you take it or not. And they have to make it "affordable". So the solution will be for companies to have two options. One will be a crap policy with a super high deductable that doesn't cover anything. That one will be "affordable". Then they will offer a decent policy (like we are used to now) and that one will cost you an arm and a leg and your first born son.
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11/07/2012 09:59 AM
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THe issue is really, finding the most efficient way to meet a need.

People need healthcare. Both because the American way of life causes sickness (lax regulations on chemicals, fast food full of additives and little nutrition, streets with no sidewalks and other things that make us rely on cars rather than walking,and on and on)

One of the things we produce in this country is unhealthy people.

Some are willing to let sick people suffer unaided, but most are not.

The best case as it now stands is that everyone hires a healthcare insurer. But that is far from the actual case. More than half of the people have no healthcare insurance.

They still get sick, though. And they are treated in emergency rooms and at government expense. Because the people who actually come face to face with others who are in crisis and suffering, can not push them out the door and let them die in the street.

Our taxes go to helping them. So the American people are paying to look after those with no healthcare.

In other words, we are already paying for insurance for the uninsured. Business owners who don't provide insurance for their employees just pass it on to the people in general.

They complain about having to provide group insurance for their workers, but they end up paying for heathcare for the uninsured anyway through use of their taxes, unless they find ways to avoid taxes and then they pass the bill on to others.

The bottom line is, we are as strong in this country as our weakest link. You can try to avoid this, but it comes out in social unstability, and environment of deprivation and despair.

You may think you and yours are okay because you are insulated from it. But it doesn't go away. It gets worse.

You may think you can stay clear of it, but your children, your grandchildren may not be as wily as you, and you will be handing them a world where they HAVE to maintain the level of priviledge for themselves that you have established for yourself or else become a part of the vast unpriviledged. Your personal legacy will only last a generation or two and then will be up to your descendents.

It is for your own good and the good of your descendants that we solve large social problems and create a kinder, safer world.

The need for health care is there. It's not like you can imagine it away. We should all be figuring out how we can meet it rather than trying to shove it off on others.
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So I am completely ignorant when it comes to Obamacare and have a few questions for somebody that knows what they are talking about.

If employers will be required to provide health insurance for full-time employees, will that still hold true for employees who are full-time and covered under a spouse's policy?

An example would be a military spouse working a full-time job. They would be 100% covered by Tricare. If they didn't have to supply health insurance would it not be more beneficial for employers to hire people already covered by somebody elses insurance policy?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12637870


They have to make it "available". You don't have to take it. And you will pay the full premium, so it doesn't matter to them if you take it or not. And they have to make it "affordable". So the solution will be for companies to have two options. One will be a crap policy with a super high deductable that doesn't cover anything. That one will be "affordable". Then they will offer a decent policy (like we are used to now) and that one will cost you an arm and a leg and your first born son.
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Are you Beezer from AboveTS?

You appear to have Tea Party posts here at GLP.
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Employers are too cheap.

Papa Johns don't want to charge 15 cents a pizza in order to provide healthcare for their employees.


This is during a time of records corporate profits and huge cash reserves.

They have already been doing this because corporation HATE paying benefits and have always tried to avoid this expense.
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This is where you people are wrong. It is NOT the employer's responsibility to provide people 'benefits' or healthcare. THAT is the entire crux of the problem.

You slackers want to the government to tax business to pay for your hypochondriac tendencies. If I have to pay that then I reserve the right to dictate what you eat, how much alcohol you drink, and if you are allowed to smoke.

The entire health benefit enigma is a fraudulent scam. The government can not force this. We will revolt and punish the employees. That's just the way it is. You think you are entitled but you are not. You slackers are dillusional. You think that businesses are an inexhaustible pool of money when in truth most barely get by. Just because the company owner makes a couple dollars does not mean the company is raking in money. And even if the owner reduced his own salary to minimum wage it can never amount to paying healthcare for all the employees. It quite simply will not work.

Even if it could work, the healthcare you would receive would be a nightmare like military style healthcare with death panels and mandatory vaccinations. You people fucked up. Get ready to pay for being greedy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Op you are so wise. I swear, I can't understand for the life of me what people are thinking. They feel entitled to have free healthcare. Crazy! I agree with everything you've written OP!!!!
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OP it sounds like you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Personally I'd love a 30 hour work week where I could have a better work-life balance rather than being a corporate slave 40+ hours a week.
 Quoting: Mr. E 5439566


But that's not what he's saying... He'll hire them at 30hrs ...they will still work 50hrs... and won't get health insurance.
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
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Wait a minute... First you cry ermahgerd that companies will do this terrible thing, then you follow it up saying that this is what you're going to do in your own company?

Hello pot, I'm the kettle: YOU'RE BLACK!

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