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Goodbye free health care, hello 30 hour work week

 
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The new trend in Britain I do believe is a zero hour contract. Employers expect complete flexability from employees..we will get a contract for one hour a week, or zero hours, then have to work when required. This sucks. No paid holiday anymore,and how can anyone expect to keep up mortgage payments etc? The big companies are now laying ppl off to get new more flexible employees in to completely exploit. Gotta love the tories.
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Greed is a worldwide problem, particularly where wealthy elite have their hands in the cookie jar. It's about gobbling up all the wealth and putting it into the hands of a few. That means giving hard workers a pittance and raising prices on retail goods. It's one big money grab.
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11/07/2012 11:36 AM
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Sears started part time 20 years ago.
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11/07/2012 11:37 AM
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the employee you screw today will be the gestapo goon who kicks in your door at 3 am in 6 months and gets shot. ;)
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Fixed it.
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for the R's it all comes down to 'let 'em die' 'i got here all by myself' 'there is nothing in it for me in sharing at all and that's the way I'll live my life down to the micro level bum asking for a handout to the group of friends asking you to chip in for a surprise party for a friend that you just can't happen to make it to, all the way up to not wanting to pay your fair share for all the common good already around us that needs to be maintained--except for guns and aircraft carriers so they can make idle threats on message boards, feel smug about their lifestyle while caricaturing other preoples and customs, feeling self assured in the thought that just of our military being able to just about able to blow up any other countries while being virtually bulletproof with no personal sacrifice involved.

I still love you but I hope you type of people broaden your minds and realize the media for the best interests of america brands certain people threats for totally different reason. People are people. When you start dehumanizing people, you've in part dehumanized yourself.

Have a nice day. Hope this message helps you to rethink the values you've been pitched because cooperation is a lot better than subjugation and exploitation.
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You know, this is exactly how people feel about Republicans. If you try to buy into the republican values to see there point of view and even end up agreeing with much of it, just reading message boards of the insane narcissism most seem to spew and the punishment attitude they want to inflict on some good people going through a hard time makes one realize that you would have to give up a large amount of decency to join this group. Republicans are supposed to be the moral party--ughh, I no longer think so.
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Let's be honest, you'll never go to 30 hours a week per employee, you'd never make any money. I know, cause I use to own a business myself! Unless you're sending jobs to China to save on labor, good luck with that. It's time to end the scare tactics.
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NO , These are not scare tactics. This is reality of the future. We can and will run our employees on 30 hours max.
I will hire three extra part-timers to pick up the slack. Problem solved.dance
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4613981


Problem solved... on your end. But what about your employees? Guess that doesn't matter, huh?

Why not just fire everyone, get off your lazy ass and do all the work all by yourself... oh yeah, that's right, you can't. LMAO
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11/07/2012 11:39 AM
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In CA. trucking co.s are working their part timers on the dock and drivers 4 hours max. no lunch , no break wtf

and they are hiring ? seriously .....
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This is Obamanation, remember 4 more shit filled years ? Dont blame me, I voted for the other guy.
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Let's be honest, you'll never go to 30 hours a week per employee, you'd never make any money. I know, cause I use to own a business myself! Unless you're sending jobs to China to save on labor, good luck with that. It's time to end the scare tactics.
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NO , These are not scare tactics. This is reality of the future. We can and will run our employees on 30 hours max.
I will hire three extra part-timers to pick up the slack. Problem solved.dance
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i seriously doubt you're doing any hiring
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The new trend in Britain I do believe is a zero hour contract. Employers expect complete flexability from employees..we will get a contract for one hour a week, or zero hours, then have to work when required. This sucks. No paid holiday anymore,and how can anyone expect to keep up mortgage payments etc? The big companies are now laying ppl off to get new more flexible employees in to completely exploit. Gotta love the tories.
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Rings true, new CEO at my job is British and since taking over he has cut hours, capped pay, slashed paid holidays and new hires start at minium wage, are required to have open availibilty and are hired on at 16 hrs a week. Future so bright I gotta wear shades.
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Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses.
For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized. We are sorry ...
Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work hard, increase production, prevent accidents and be happy. Let us be thankful we have commerce.
Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.
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11/07/2012 11:41 AM
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Its mandatory here for a employee to work min 48 hours/week (IT sector)... shocked 30 hrs a week is unimaginable ... good luck
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Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas.

I am not alone in this thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Talk to someone like a tax person and they will tell you that part time people will be counted as well. The hours will be added together and so many will equal a full time person. Just finished talking to my guy about this.
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Oh, no! Does this mean that part time people who work enough hours though out the year will not be punished (denied SS, unemployment, etc)!

Darn. Too many people who are rubbing their hands together ready to punish people for their political beliefs, these are the same people who spout off about being a free country, too. When they pack up their business and flee America, hopefully they will find a nice Oligarchy country to move to so they can finally find the happiness they are craving.
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11/07/2012 11:42 AM
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The worst part is most Americans are too fucking stupid to know what they have done.
Gimme-gimme-gimme! = We are fucked.
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Obaaaaamaaaa gave me afone! So im gonn vote fo him.

And THAT is the reason we all need to bend over the desk and take what's coming!

I am DUMBFOUNDED that ingnorant welfare crackheads will make sure they get out to vote to save their sorry asses but not actually be a useful part of society.

Good thing we have the baby machines! Keep pumping out those welfare babes! Cause Obaaaaama is gonn take good care of you!

Unfuckingbelievable! suicide
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11/07/2012 11:45 AM
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Its mandatory here for a employee to work min 48 hours/week (IT sector)... shocked 30 hrs a week is unimaginable ... good luck
 Quoting: GMarq


Not mandatory here. I can have all part time employees if I choose. If they try to change that I will just fire everyone and close shop. Or move my business to the Bahamas.

I am not alone in this thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380503


Talk to someone like a tax person and they will tell you that part time people will be counted as well. The hours will be added together and so many will equal a full time person. Just finished talking to my guy about this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20524828


Oh, no! Does this mean that part time people who work enough hours though out the year will not be punished (denied SS, unemployment, etc)!

Darn. Too many people who are rubbing their hands together ready to punish people for their political beliefs, these are the same people who spout off about being a free country, too. When they pack up their business and flee America, hopefully they will find a nice Oligarchy country to move to so they can finally find the happiness they are craving.
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They want a low-wage nation for their factories and a wealthy nation for their consumers -- can't have it both ways!
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Let's be honest, you'll never go to 30 hours a week per employee, you'd never make any money. I know, cause I use to own a business myself! Unless you're sending jobs to China to save on labor, good luck with that. It's time to end the scare tactics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18718744


NO , These are not scare tactics. This is reality of the future. We can and will run our employees on 30 hours max.
I will hire three extra part-timers to pick up the slack. Problem solved.dance
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4613981


Problem solved... on your end. But what about your employees? Guess that doesn't matter, huh?

Why not just fire everyone, get off your lazy ass and do all the work all by yourself... oh yeah, that's right, you can't. LMAO
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You mean Barry didn't think of that?! Of course, he did. He doesn't care if this is the new reality. Just remember, Barry "loves" you - hope that helps pay the bills.
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Let's be honest, you'll never go to 30 hours a week per employee, you'd never make any money. I know, cause I use to own a business myself! Unless you're sending jobs to China to save on labor, good luck with that. It's time to end the scare tactics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18718744


NO , These are not scare tactics. This is reality of the future. We can and will run our employees on 30 hours max.
I will hire three extra part-timers to pick up the slack. Problem solved.dance
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4613981


Problem solved... on your end. But what about your employees? Guess that doesn't matter, huh?

Why not just fire everyone, get off your lazy ass and do all the work all by yourself... oh yeah, that's right, you can't. LMAO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18718744



You mean Barry didn't think of that?! Of course, he did. He doesn't care if this is the new reality. Just remember, Barry "loves" you - hope that helps pay the bills.
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Why blame your own failures on someone else? Take responsibility and admit you can't cut it as a businessman.
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11/07/2012 11:50 AM
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I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused.
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So, emplyees will have to buy personal coverage to the tune of $500/ month or $6000 a year.

How are we going to afford this? I guess we pay the fines, I mean taxes.
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And if you do NOT buy it you can be fined $250,000 and go to jail!
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11/07/2012 11:51 AM
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I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused.
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mega corporations want to drive out all small businesses and put the burden of health care on the government and people. Stop buying everything at walmart if you want to fix this shit.
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11/07/2012 11:54 AM
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I'm an employer and I would rather not provide healthcare. To be honest, I have no idea why we provide health care. Everyone calls it competitive benefits and it is a big waste of time and costs a ton of money.

Healthcare costs go up 15% to 20% a year for the last 7 years.

Coverage goes down every year.

No one is using the healthcare we are paying for. Only a few use it.

If people want the government to own it, they can have it. Just tax the 1%.

Crap, I'm the 1%. I better sell my firm now...

Suck

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No one needs to provide competitive benefits anymore. There are more workers than jobs now. All that an employer needs to provide is a job. Period.
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11/07/2012 11:55 AM
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You're a pathetic human being if you're too lazy to work 30 hours a week.
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You're misreading the point. People want to work 40+ hours, but if they did they would have to have company paid benefits which most small businesses can't afford. Even larger businesses have problems affording it especially since they lost the take advantage which meant that they could provide prescriptions cheaper than the government could. Now it costs more prescription and no tax break for providing it....what do you think is going to happen?
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Are you actually producing anything? Cause resell BS does not count as a "productive" "business".
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Well, then I guess you don't shop at Walmart--or most anywhere for that matter if you're opposed to "resell".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9718093


Yes, you are correct. I do not shop at Walmart. I earn a 6 figure salary as a software developer.
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Good for you!
Not 6 figures by a long shot, but happy and comfortable, but still refuse to shop at Walmart.

My only point was that most businesses are resell.
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Won't shop at Walmart either. That place literally gives me a headache.
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11/07/2012 12:00 PM
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Liberals, democrats, and laborers need to understand a couple things about business.

Very few businesses make more money than they can spend. Understand that every penny has been crunched. Employees are paid a fair wage for their time and skills. You don't open a business and slave away 24 hours a day only to divide it up evenly with people who can go home at night and drink beer.

If the business owner clears a million dollars in a year that DOES NOT MEAN that the company is thriving. The CEO's earnings are company equity. Just like when you pay a little extra on your home mortgage. What if the gov mandated huge allowances for your children to the point where you can no longer make your house payment. This is what is happening to many businesses.

When my company needs equipment I pay for that out of my pocket. Because I am the corporation. The business is me. If your intentions are to reduce my earnings then you only destroy your job security since you weaken the company as a whole.

In the last few years I had just grown to the point where it was feasible to start offering different benefits. It is a natural evolution that attracts better quality employees. It used to be something growing businesses sought to do. Now it will be mandatory and we won't get the quality employees.

It should be common sense but I will reiterate that rich people do not owe you anything. I wasn't always a 'wealthy' business owner. I had to live in an 88' Oldsmobile in the woods for 2 months back in the day. I never begged for a handout. I took my hunger pains and dealt with it like a man.

I rose up. I educated myself reading thousands of books instead of watching tv. I worked my ass off. Made enormous sacrifices. Took huge risks that could have put my family on the street. Nobody is entitled to my winnings except for myself.

Normally I am a generous person. But I am fair. My employees enjoy high hourly wages, in part because we can't afford health benefits yet. I pay them enough so that they should easily be able to buy a small premium for their families. But in no way is my company strong enough to provide and committ to lengthy health care packages. It's just the way it is.

Mandatory healthcare or fines is usurpation by our Orwellian government. It won't work in reality and as a free citizen and veteran I can't accept it on principle.

We shall see how things pan out. But most likely the people who voted this in just voted themselves under a bridge because I will pass it all along. Or it will kill my company and their jobs along with it.
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I recently got a job at a steel casting foundry in Wa state and they made all the new hires sign a paper that they agreed that they were 30 hour a week employees. You would get 40+ hours a week if you signed the paper and only 30 if you refused.
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So, emplyees will have to buy personal coverage to the tune of $500/ month or $6000 a year.

How are we going to afford this? I guess we pay the fines, I mean taxes.
 Quoting: Renegade (Me too)

Yup - you get to pay the fines and still not have healthcare....sweet, huh?
My husbands insurance almost dropped me this year because they said I could get insurance at my job. What my job offers isn't workable insurance for me. It costs $160 a month (and I only work 25 hours a week), and covers only $100 worth of medication a month, 5 doctor visits a year and has a yearly cap on diagnostic tests of just $400 which isn't much of a help when 1 MRI cost at least twice that.

What I don't understand is why this year they made a big deal out of woman getting FREE no copay birth control, calling it a health right, but my current insurance imposed a $400 deductible on life saving diagnostic tests....a deductible that has to be paid BEFORE you can get the test. I have to say up for 4 months to get an MRI that my doctor wanted done immediately.
We are fucked.
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Go for it. I want to blame Obama for this mess.

I am so upset that he won. DRATS!!!!!!!
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Blame the cheap employers. Why blame the guy who is trying to provide affordable healthcare for you and your family.

Get a clue.
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Don't you get it? Just because you own a business doesn't mean you're rich. Lots and lots and lots of small business owners are barely making it or going in the hole each month. Sure, health care is great but reality is they will have to scale back hours, scale back pay or simply lay off employees to come up with the extra money and make this thing work. Money doesn't grow on trees you know.

Regardless of how you feel about health care, can't you see it isn't free? There's an opportunity cost here. Its going to cost millions of people money they can't afford.
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NO , These are not scare tactics. This is reality of the future. We can and will run our employees on 30 hours max.
I will hire three extra part-timers to pick up the slack. Problem solved.dance
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4613981


Problem solved... on your end. But what about your employees? Guess that doesn't matter, huh?

Why not just fire everyone, get off your lazy ass and do all the work all by yourself... oh yeah, that's right, you can't. LMAO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18718744



You mean Barry didn't think of that?! Of course, he did. He doesn't care if this is the new reality. Just remember, Barry "loves" you - hope that helps pay the bills.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 813750


Why blame your own failures on someone else? Take responsibility and admit you can't cut it as a businessman.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18718744


Many businesses will continue to thrive - including mine. However, employment in America will continue to trend in this direction. Barrycare incentives now demand it. Enjoy!
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11/07/2012 12:06 PM
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Go for it. I want to blame Obama for this mess.

I am so upset that he won. DRATS!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24425839


Blame the cheap employers. Why blame the guy who is trying to provide affordable healthcare for you and your family.

Get a clue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Affordable? premiums have increased by 50% this year, what Affordable about that!!!!!
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Usa is finally stepping into the 20th century. We had this debate in 1910. Complaining how poor u are? U people are gonna all be muuuch poorer.
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Due to this Obama care BS our new insurance plan is more like a savings plan. No more 20 dollar copay dr visits. You have to come 2013 come up with a 5K deductible before the insurance will even kick in and pay a damn dime. WTF insurance is this? It makes Obama care look good, even though I know it is due to Obamacare as it now would cost our company more to have the better insurance, so instead of no insurance we will just get SHIT insurance.
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Papa John's ran the numbers and said
to give all their employees healthcare
it would cost between 11 and 14 cents
PER PIZZA.
And they complained that was too much.
I guess it would cut into management's
millions.
VULTURE CAPITALISM
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In CA. trucking co.s are working their part timers on the dock and drivers 4 hours max. no lunch , no break wtf

and they are hiring ? seriously .....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22168369


people need work now and are willing to work under almost any condition. that is what happens when there are more people than jobs.
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11/07/2012 12:11 PM
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People shouldn't have to work more than 30 hours a week anyway. Life is much too short to put up with that crap.
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11/07/2012 12:11 PM
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It's funny how short sighted people are.

Companies aren't going to pay this bill. They will just lower the hours of employees under the limit so they are exempt from Obama's slacker tax. We will become a part time nation which will probably be the death blow to our economy. 30 hours a week max as an employee. If you want 40 hours a week you'll have to juggle two jobs.

It's gonna be hilarious. As a business owner I am definitely going underground. All my employees are going to 30 hours. Screw it. I'll dissolve my company before I pay that commie shit. And most business owners I know feel the same.
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That makes you part of the problem then.

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