Say goodbye to cheap electricity

please, do not interrupt their party

now back to your regularly scheduled delusion

They just talked about that on CNBC.

We have a natural gas boom, I am only concerned about fracking.

Thorium thorium fucking thorium. Fuck wind and solar power, corporations getting rich off those inferior techs and polluting other parts of the world you never hear about.

The technology has been around for decades but no one is using it!

You can go one further and use free energy tech, dating as far back as Tesla. Earth is immersed in unlimited electrical potential (by human standards).. problem solved.

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Energy crisis is completely manufactured to strip you of your money and your freedom.

Fox news doesn't know the difference between a megawatt and a megawatt-hour.

I assume all those "megawatts" above are really "megawatt-hours". And yes those are shocking prices, even if for peak hours.

Bingo, if we invest in new technology we create a new industry.

Which means economic boom.

if i had the money i could have the majority of us off the grid in no time with my invention
no gas,no solar,no wind pay for it one time
then after a year or two it will pay for itself and your power will be free from then on except for occasional maintenance

How many moons are in your sky?

Obama's War on Coal Will Only Get Worse if He Is Re-Elected
[link to www.usnews.com]

Easy to convert a simple coal plant to a modern combined cycle gas turbine? No, what results would be a cheap inefficient natgas plant.

And I am EXTREMELY concerned about fracking. Once the substructure of the earth is fractured, it can't be repaired. Not like a bit of acid rain which is over after a season.

Oh boy.

What rock have you been hiding under?


Google War on Coal.....What websites do you trust?

I started with Fox News then put one up from the left from CBS.

Here is one from Forbes.


Obama’s preferred strategy has been to implement whatever policies increase the price of energy to American consumers. He proved this by striving mightily to impose a cap-and-trade program on fossil fuels so that “if somebody wants to build a coal-fired plant, the can, but it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”
[link to www.forbes.com]

Not convinced?

I don't know how else to explain it to you. Perhaps when you get your electric bill in the future, that has doubled, you can call and argue your point with your power company that your President is coal friendly and your bill should reflect that.


The millions of coal miners being laid off will probably disagree with you as well.

You'd still have to pay for food for the hamster and grease for the wheel.

I have family upstate NY who just started laying out about a half an acre and by next year they will expand and cover enough to make electric for their ranch with four houses.
They said it is a lot of maintenance and they had to hire some one to help maintain it.

I don't see this happening any time soon for the suburbs and trailer parks. The cities may get away with a few roof tops, but that's about it.

Those are scare tactics. Scare tactics by the right wing and you know it.

Obama support clean coal and I guess you know that too.

He just wants them to clean up their shit.

Why don't you want that too?

Well maybe you will listen the messiah himself.

He says "electricity rates will necessarily will skyrocket."


Now believe what you want. Don't believe me or the various websites.

You cannot deny Obama said this. He is here ..right here...

Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket

Refer to my reply above.

To me this means thatis it, and as the electric bill hits, wewill be paying about $30.00 for a loaf of the wholegrain/wholewheat bread ($8.00 for the dollar-loaf of white fungus Corporate Society sells as "bread"), and gold willbe about $12,000.00 an ounce.

So Joe Biden now represents the right wing? I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up.

[link to www.youtube.com]




Last Edited by FatalW1shes on 11/07/2012 09:44 AM

Good point Trin. A few points of my own:

1. I am not an average person in an average neighborhood. I know what I'm talking about, about this. I even know more than you do about it, no offense. I've worked in the energy industry and am an electrical engineer.

2. I am not trying to get off the grid with this system. I don't need to, to remove the effect of Obamaprices from my life. All I need to do is, on the average, to feed back the same amount to the grid as I take at other times.

3. I am currently off the grid anyway. I am in the NYC suburbs which, as you've heard, has had some recent weather events. A week after Sandy and I am still running off my gasoline generator.

4. Being off the grid with solar would be nice, but quite expensive because of mainly the batteries to store sufficient power. A grid-tie system, with emergy energy storage via gasoline or propane rather than batteries, seems reasonable to me at current prices.

"emergy" -> "emergency"

Are you seriously that deluded?

November surprise: EPA planning major post-election anti-coal regulation

[link to washingtonexaminer.com]

Yes it will kill the US economy, and I cannot immunize myself from that by putting solar panels on my roof.

Sad. But it seems to me that land is becoming an ever more attractive investment. All the alternative energy (wind, solar, algae, biodiesel, you name it) requires land (or a pond) to produce.

I don't buy their electricity. I make my own.

I'm simply amazed at some of the replies In this thread.


This is not a right wing scare tactic.

Call PJM and ask them what the new contracted rates are.

This is not some fantasy cooked up by me or the right.

This is not fear mongering, or a lie.

This is reality.

The rates are contracted to go up that high.

From 16 to 167 and 357.


There is nothing to deny, ignore, understand, or argue about.

This is fact. It is reality. And when you people that argue to the contrary get your bills in the future and see the cause and effect I invite you to revisit this thread and have a conversation about reality.



I'm here posting facts. There is nothing you can post that negates fact.

The contracted rates are now set in stone now that Obama has been re-elected and we must now live with those facts and the decisions made by the voters last night.


I'm here to warn you to make plans for higher bills. Free up money where you can, especially those of you in Ohio.

So in a push for alternative fuel(Oil and gas being the standard) outlaw coal.
Henry Ford had a method to turn coal into a nice motor fuel to replace gasoline way back.
We cant have that though God forbid the people in West Virgina get rich and put the Arabs out of business. lol Stupid is as stupid does.

My "uncle" told me he saw an add on the tv that is called the "water cigarette". The thing works by using the water to capture smoke into a steam, and therefore doesnot emit smoke into the air. The coal-using companies can do the same thing, but of course, on a grander scale.- yes, size does matter

Improving the economy and our balance of payments is essential in the short term, or there will be NO long term future for the USA. Think of the UK 100 years ago vs. now.

This requires smokestack industries and finished goods exports, not an agrarian economy. China knows that. Russia knows that. Obama probably knows that and is keeping it to himself in order to destroy the economic viability of our country.

Cheap energy is essential for remaining a rich country. The quickest way to ensure a depression is to raise oil prices - it's been done repeatedly and predictably. The USA is supposed to be smart and rich - why are we acting like total assholes?

Burn the dirtiest fuel and let Europe deal with it.

I'm in Ohio....my rate is locked at 6.y cents per KW or something like that...forgot I just made the switch...for 7 years...I WAS paying almost 10 cents per KW though...

ANY FAILURES THIS TIME AROUND ARE HIS AND HIS ALONE! HE MUST OWN IT AS THERE IS NO ONE TO BLAME INN A SECOND TERM!


AMERICA YOU HAVE MADE YOUR BED NO LAY IN IT.....

If you don't have solar installed by now you deserve high priced electricity.

I laugh at electric companies.

...all the way to the bank.