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Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
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please, do not interrupt their party

now back to your regularly scheduled delusion
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
Coal fired plants can be easilly converted to NG which produces less than half the carbon as coal and is cheaper to operate and easier to maintain. NG also produces no ash or mercury. The U.S. has trillions of C.F. Of Ng, enough to last hundreds of years. NG is also abundant throughout the world. Coal still has high value and can produce uncountable other products without the carbon dioxide.
 Quoting: Northman

They just talked about that on CNBC.

We have a natural gas boom, I am only concerned about fracking.
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Thorium thorium fucking thorium. Fuck wind and solar power, corporations getting rich off those inferior techs and polluting other parts of the world you never hear about.

The technology has been around for decades but no one is using it!

You can go one further and use free energy tech, dating as far back as Tesla. Earth is immersed in unlimited electrical potential (by human standards).. problem solved.

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Energy crisis is completely manufactured to strip you of your money and your freedom.
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Fox news doesn't know the difference between a megawatt and a megawatt-hour.

I assume all those "megawatts" above are really "megawatt-hours". And yes those are shocking prices, even if for peak hours.
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
What OP says will happen, it already happened in my province over 10 years ago when we elected our liberal premier

he invested heavily on solar and green energy the result was higher gas, and higher electricity costs


Green technology is not yet ready I dont' know if it will ever be

at the pace we consume energy, wind and solar is not a viable option
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26873559


^^^ truth
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Bingo, if we invest in new technology we create a new industry.

Which means economic boom.
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
if i had the money i could have the majority of us off the grid in no time with my invention
no gas,no solar,no wind pay for it one time
then after a year or two it will pay for itself and your power will be free from then on except for occasional maintenance
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


How many moons are in your sky?

Obama's War on Coal Will Only Get Worse if He Is Re-Elected
[link to www.usnews.com]
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
Coal fired plants can be easilly converted to NG which produces less than half the carbon as coal and is cheaper to operate and easier to maintain. NG also produces no ash or mercury. The U.S. has trillions of C.F. Of Ng, enough to last hundreds of years. NG is also abundant throughout the world. Coal still has high value and can produce uncountable other products without the carbon dioxide.
 Quoting: Northman

They just talked about that on CNBC.

We have a natural gas boom, I am only concerned about fracking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Easy to convert a simple coal plant to a modern combined cycle gas turbine? No, what results would be a cheap inefficient natgas plant.

And I am EXTREMELY concerned about fracking. Once the substructure of the earth is fractured, it can't be repaired. Not like a bit of acid rain which is over after a season.
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Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Oh boy.

What rock have you been hiding under?


Google War on Coal.....What websites do you trust?

I started with Fox News then put one up from the left from CBS.

Here is one from Forbes.


Obama’s preferred strategy has been to implement whatever policies increase the price of energy to American consumers. He proved this by striving mightily to impose a cap-and-trade program on fossil fuels so that “if somebody wants to build a coal-fired plant, the can, but it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

[link to www.forbes.com]

Not convinced?

I don't know how else to explain it to you. Perhaps when you get your electric bill in the future, that has doubled, you can call and argue your point with your power company that your President is coal friendly and your bill should reflect that.


The millions of coal miners being laid off will probably disagree with you as well.
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if i had the money i could have the majority of us off the grid in no time with my invention
no gas,no solar,no wind pay for it one time
then after a year or two it will pay for itself and your power will be free from then on except for occasional maintenance
 Quoting: ^TheWatchMan^


You'd still have to pay for food for the hamster and grease for the wheel.
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11/07/2012 09:33 AM
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
what's the big deal?

all you need is $250,000 and a spare football field at your house and you can go solar!

everyones doing it!

it's the way of the future!
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Doesn't take that much space, I have plenty on my roof and I can sell the excess back to the grid.

Now for those city-dwelling Obama voters who live in apartments, I guess they are truly fucked, but they voted for it so they should enjoy it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


lol

just because you have a few solar panels on your roof does NOT make you fully energy independent

you have a GRID TIE system

that does NOT provide for all your power needs AT ALL and you know that as you STILL get a power bill

I happen to be 100% off grid and I KNOW what it takes to do it...

Solar is not practical in real world practice

take it from someone who has actually done it

I'm glad I did because I'm self sufficient but for the average person in the average neighborhood it just aint happening
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


I have family upstate NY who just started laying out about a half an acre and by next year they will expand and cover enough to make electric for their ranch with four houses.
They said it is a lot of maintenance and they had to hire some one to help maintain it.

I don't see this happening any time soon for the suburbs and trailer parks. The cities may get away with a few roof tops, but that's about it.
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11/07/2012 09:34 AM
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Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Oh boy.

What rock have you been hiding under?


Google War on Coal.....What websites do you trust?

I started with Fox News then put one up from the left from CBS.

Here is one from Forbes.


Obama’s preferred strategy has been to implement whatever policies increase the price of energy to American consumers. He proved this by striving mightily to impose a cap-and-trade program on fossil fuels so that “if somebody wants to build a coal-fired plant, the can, but it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

[link to www.forbes.com]

Not convinced?

I don't know how else to explain it to you. Perhaps when you get your electric bill in the future, that has doubled, you can call and argue your point with your power company that your President is coal friendly and your bill should reflect that.


The millions of coal miners being laid off will probably disagree with you as well.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Those are scare tactics. Scare tactics by the right wing and you know it.

Obama support clean coal and I guess you know that too.

He just wants them to clean up their shit.

Why don't you want that too?
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


please, do not interrupt their party

now back to your regularly scheduled delusion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3324945




Well maybe you will listen the messiah himself.

He says "electricity rates will necessarily will skyrocket."


Now believe what you want. Don't believe me or the various websites.

You cannot deny Obama said this. He is here ..right here...

Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket

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11/07/2012 09:35 AM
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
Refer to my reply above.
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
what's the big deal?

all you need is $250,000 and a spare football field at your house and you can go solar!

everyones doing it!

it's the way of the future!
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


To me this means thatis it, and as the electric bill hits, wewill be paying about $30.00 for a loaf of the wholegrain/wholewheat bread ($8.00 for the dollar-loaf of white fungus Corporate Society sells as "bread"), and gold willbe about $12,000.00 an ounce.
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Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Oh boy.

What rock have you been hiding under?


Google War on Coal.....What websites do you trust?

I started with Fox News then put one up from the left from CBS.

Here is one from Forbes.


Obama’s preferred strategy has been to implement whatever policies increase the price of energy to American consumers. He proved this by striving mightily to impose a cap-and-trade program on fossil fuels so that “if somebody wants to build a coal-fired plant, the can, but it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

[link to www.forbes.com]

Not convinced?

I don't know how else to explain it to you. Perhaps when you get your electric bill in the future, that has doubled, you can call and argue your point with your power company that your President is coal friendly and your bill should reflect that.


The millions of coal miners being laid off will probably disagree with you as well.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Those are scare tactics. Scare tactics by the right wing and you know it.

Obama support clean coal and I guess you know that too.

He just wants them to clean up their shit.

Why don't you want that too?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022




So Joe Biden now represents the right wing? I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up.

[link to www.youtube.com]




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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
what's the big deal?

all you need is $250,000 and a spare football field at your house and you can go solar!

everyones doing it!

it's the way of the future!
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Doesn't take that much space, I have plenty on my roof and I can sell the excess back to the grid.

Now for those city-dwelling Obama voters who live in apartments, I guess they are truly fucked, but they voted for it so they should enjoy it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


lol

just because you have a few solar panels on your roof does NOT make you fully energy independent

you have a GRID TIE system

that does NOT provide for all your power needs AT ALL and you know that as you STILL get a power bill

I happen to be 100% off grid and I KNOW what it takes to do it...

Solar is not practical in real world practice

take it from someone who has actually done it

I'm glad I did because I'm self sufficient but for the average person in the average neighborhood it just aint happening
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Good point Trin. A few points of my own:

1. I am not an average person in an average neighborhood. I know what I'm talking about, about this. I even know more than you do about it, no offense. I've worked in the energy industry and am an electrical engineer.

2. I am not trying to get off the grid with this system. I don't need to, to remove the effect of Obamaprices from my life. All I need to do is, on the average, to feed back the same amount to the grid as I take at other times.

3. I am currently off the grid anyway. I am in the NYC suburbs which, as you've heard, has had some recent weather events. A week after Sandy and I am still running off my gasoline generator.

4. Being off the grid with solar would be nice, but quite expensive because of mainly the batteries to store sufficient power. A grid-tie system, with emergy energy storage via gasoline or propane rather than batteries, seems reasonable to me at current prices.
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
what's the big deal?

all you need is $250,000 and a spare football field at your house and you can go solar!

everyones doing it!

it's the way of the future!
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Doesn't take that much space, I have plenty on my roof and I can sell the excess back to the grid.

Now for those city-dwelling Obama voters who live in apartments, I guess they are truly fucked, but they voted for it so they should enjoy it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


lol

just because you have a few solar panels on your roof does NOT make you fully energy independent

you have a GRID TIE system

that does NOT provide for all your power needs AT ALL and you know that as you STILL get a power bill

I happen to be 100% off grid and I KNOW what it takes to do it...

Solar is not practical in real world practice

take it from someone who has actually done it

I'm glad I did because I'm self sufficient but for the average person in the average neighborhood it just aint happening
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Good point Trin. A few points of my own:

1. I am not an average person in an average neighborhood. I know what I'm talking about, about this. I even know more than you do about it, no offense. I've worked in the energy industry and am an electrical engineer.

2. I am not trying to get off the grid with this system. I don't need to, to remove the effect of Obamaprices from my life. All I need to do is, on the average, to feed back the same amount to the grid as I take at other times.

3. I am currently off the grid anyway. I am in the NYC suburbs which, as you've heard, has had some recent weather events. A week after Sandy and I am still running off my gasoline generator.

4. Being off the grid with solar would be nice, but quite expensive because of mainly the batteries to store sufficient power. A grid-tie system, with emergy energy storage via gasoline or propane rather than batteries, seems reasonable to me at current prices.
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"emergy" -> "emergency"
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Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
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Are you seriously that deluded?

November surprise: EPA planning major post-election anti-coal regulation

[link to washingtonexaminer.com]

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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


and get ready to pay for the right to.....breath...carbon tax..
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With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


To me this means thatis it, and as the electric bill hits, wewill be paying about $30.00 for a loaf of the wholegrain/wholewheat bread ($8.00 for the dollar-loaf of white fungus Corporate Society sells as "bread"), and gold willbe about $12,000.00 an ounce.
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Yes it will kill the US economy, and I cannot immunize myself from that by putting solar panels on my roof.

Sad. But it seems to me that land is becoming an ever more attractive investment. All the alternative energy (wind, solar, algae, biodiesel, you name it) requires land (or a pond) to produce.
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I don't buy their electricity. I make my own.
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
I'm simply amazed at some of the replies In this thread.


This is not a right wing scare tactic.

Call PJM and ask them what the new contracted rates are.

This is not some fantasy cooked up by me or the right.

This is not fear mongering, or a lie.

This is reality.

The rates are contracted to go up that high.

From 16 to 167 and 357.


There is nothing to deny, ignore, understand, or argue about.

This is fact. It is reality. And when you people that argue to the contrary get your bills in the future and see the cause and effect I invite you to revisit this thread and have a conversation about reality.



I'm here posting facts. There is nothing you can post that negates fact.

The contracted rates are now set in stone now that Obama has been re-elected and we must now live with those facts and the decisions made by the voters last night.


I'm here to warn you to make plans for higher bills. Free up money where you can, especially those of you in Ohio.
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So in a push for alternative fuel(Oil and gas being the standard) outlaw coal.
Henry Ford had a method to turn coal into a nice motor fuel to replace gasoline way back.
We cant have that though God forbid the people in West Virgina get rich and put the Arabs out of business. lol Stupid is as stupid does.
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With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


you should come down to Texas

we pay about .06c kwh for our business/residence

this state is on a different grid than the rest of the country, and the governor will fight the EPA the whole way down

it DOES matter where you live...and strength in numbers. If you don't think the policies in your state work, go to one where people who think like you are in the majority

at least then if the thing falls apart, you know its because those policies suck, and you take responsibility for it.

The other way, you feel helpless , which is a crappy way to go through life

gltu OP
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Oh I'm in Fort Worth Texas. There is a train that goes by daily that is full of coal cars full of coal.

The power plant on Lake Arlington is a coal plant....
According to 2005 data from the Energy Information Administration, Texas has 20 operating coal-fired power stations, including 40 generating units, totaling 21,238 megawatts (MW) of capacity. 39 of the generating units are larger than 50MW.

[link to www.sourcewatch.org]


I have no idea how many there are today.


I do know Ohio is 88% coal powered. They are so fucking fucked I want to see the looks on their faces when they see their electric bills. Bastards turned to Obama again. They will soon pay for what they got.
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My "uncle" told me he saw an add on the tv that is called the "water cigarette". The thing works by using the water to capture smoke into a steam, and therefore doesnot emit smoke into the air. The coal-using companies can do the same thing, but of course, on a grander scale.- yes, size does matter
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Oh boy.

What rock have you been hiding under?


Google War on Coal.....What websites do you trust?

I started with Fox News then put one up from the left from CBS.

Here is one from Forbes.


Obama’s preferred strategy has been to implement whatever policies increase the price of energy to American consumers. He proved this by striving mightily to impose a cap-and-trade program on fossil fuels so that “if somebody wants to build a coal-fired plant, the can, but it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

[link to www.forbes.com]

Not convinced?

I don't know how else to explain it to you. Perhaps when you get your electric bill in the future, that has doubled, you can call and argue your point with your power company that your President is coal friendly and your bill should reflect that.


The millions of coal miners being laid off will probably disagree with you as well.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Those are scare tactics. Scare tactics by the right wing and you know it.

Obama support clean coal and I guess you know that too.

He just wants them to clean up their shit.

Why don't you want that too?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Improving the economy and our balance of payments is essential in the short term, or there will be NO long term future for the USA. Think of the UK 100 years ago vs. now.

This requires smokestack industries and finished goods exports, not an agrarian economy. China knows that. Russia knows that. Obama probably knows that and is keeping it to himself in order to destroy the economic viability of our country.

Cheap energy is essential for remaining a rich country. The quickest way to ensure a depression is to raise oil prices - it's been done repeatedly and predictably. The USA is supposed to be smart and rich - why are we acting like total assholes?

Burn the dirtiest fuel and let Europe deal with it.
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I'm in Ohio....my rate is locked at 6.y cents per KW or something like that...forgot I just made the switch...for 7 years...I WAS paying almost 10 cents per KW though...
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ANY FAILURES THIS TIME AROUND ARE HIS AND HIS ALONE! HE MUST OWN IT AS THERE IS NO ONE TO BLAME INN A SECOND TERM!


AMERICA YOU HAVE MADE YOUR BED NO LAY IN IT.....
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11/07/2012 10:01 AM
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
If you don't have solar installed by now you deserve high priced electricity.

I laugh at electric companies.

...all the way to the bank.

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