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Philly Girl
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11/07/2012 11:38 AM
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Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
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No he hasn't. You have to watch what he does not what he says...what he has done is the EPA unprecedented authority to run around Congress and help shut down coal plants due to regulations. He is killing every viable, affordable, source of energy. As he said in the beginning he really doesn't believe there is such a thing as clean coal. Meanwhile - China is building more coal plants and wiping out any "perceived" climate change good that he is forcing America to participate in. Take a look at Europe, they have consistently lost jobs and wealth while they shut down businesses and ship them to China who doesn't have to follow any of the environmental regulations.
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That's just great. My whole house is electric except for 2 fireplaces with insulators. Time to put the plastic on the windows and buy wood. It's got to be cheaper than the electric bill.
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geography matters in a decision like that. Look at solar insolation tables for your area.
Cogeneration pencils well if you can use the heat.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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11/07/2012 11:42 AM
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No he hasn't. You have to watch what he does not what he says...what he has done is the EPA unprecedented authority to run around Congress and help shut down coal plants due to regulations. He is killing every viable, affordable, source of energy. As he said in the beginning he really doesn't believe there is such a thing as clean coal. Meanwhile - China is building more coal plants and wiping out any "perceived" climate change good that he is forcing America to participate in. Take a look at Europe, they have consistently lost jobs and wealth while they shut down businesses and ship them to China who doesn't have to follow any of the environmental regulations.
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Don't even waste your fucking breath
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11/07/2012 11:47 AM
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Question for folks with grid-tie solar:

I just talked to a rep. on the phone about such a system, and she says there's an auto shutoff switch on the DC side of the inverter, that power company regulations require to be there, so that the system is unusable in an outage situation.

Is there a practical way to bypass or hotwire that switch? It's just so stupid to have a bunch of solar panels and not be able to use them when there's an outage.
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11/07/2012 11:47 AM

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these are trojan 2 volt 1046ah wet cells

they are warrantied for 15 years

last even longer they say

you do have to water them ever 3 or 4 months but that's about it as far as maintenance goes

if you don't water them the plates will get destroyed and they won't last obviously

but if you water them they should last..

so far I've had them going 2 or 3 years and they are working fine
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


In my experience with solar wells, battery technology has been the limiting factor for solar...

Curious, is your warranty on a depreciating scale or full replacement cost?!?!?

Ours was a depreciating warranty, only covered about 1/10 of the replacement cost. Replaced batteries after about 3 to 4 years, twice, finally scraped the battery setup and just put in water storage.

I admittedly don't have much experience with the new batteries and the indoor house setups...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


good question on the warranty

I'm not sure on that

were your batteries gel cells?

like you never had to put water in them?

those only last 3-5 years normally anyway
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Our warranty was a five year depreciating deal, they were nickle cadmium if I rememeber right, we checked the water on them about once a month.

You have to realize, this was ten years ago, so I'm sure battery tech has come a long ways.

I think the real problem with those batteries was these wells are way out in the country, so they're in outdoor battery boxes. And these boxes were insulated, but I think the temperature variation was hard on them over time. Indoor systems will have a much more constant temp, which will help battery life I'm sure.

When we first put the solar wells in, the panel tech was moving fast, but the battery tech seemed to lag. That may have changed. I get along fine with just pumping during daylight, and water storage, so I haven't kept up with the battery tech as much...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


nickle cadmium is about where it was. No help for us there.
Batteries suck basically. I think the luckiest user is the guy buyimg stove oil in a cold climate. If he burns that oil in an engine and captures the heat he gets his electrical generation cost down to a dime or less. It is called COGENERATION.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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11/07/2012 11:48 AM
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No he hasn't. You have to watch what he does not what he says...what he has done is the EPA unprecedented authority to run around Congress and help shut down coal plants due to regulations. He is killing every viable, affordable, source of energy. As he said in the beginning he really doesn't believe there is such a thing as clean coal. Meanwhile - China is building more coal plants and wiping out any "perceived" climate change good that he is forcing America to participate in. Take a look at Europe, they have consistently lost jobs and wealth while they shut down businesses and ship them to China who doesn't have to follow any of the environmental regulations.
 Quoting: Philly Girl 26693155


Don't even waste your fucking breath
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One funny aspect is that China is burning OUR coal. They float it over in boats from the US west coast. They love our bituminous so much they are willing to pay that cost.
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11/07/2012 11:50 AM
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With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


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Very, very good point.

No more Playstation. No more American Idol. No more recharging your Obamaphone.

Welcome to the 3rd World, assholes.
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And what about all those hybrid and electric cars which will now be parked in garages because no one can afford to re-charge them? Maybe they can be re-purposed into flower planters and yard art.
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Question for folks with grid-tie solar:

I just talked to a rep. on the phone about such a system, and she says there's an auto shutoff switch on the DC side of the inverter, that power company regulations require to be there, so that the system is unusable in an outage situation.

Is there a practical way to bypass or hotwire that switch? It's just so stupid to have a bunch of solar panels and not be able to use them when there's an outage.
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you keep the inverter connected to the house and use a transfer switch to the power line. It has to be done correctly lest you electrocute a line worker.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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11/07/2012 11:53 AM

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I guess we could have installed a few solar panels, instead...



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[snip]


Adding it all up
* The government spent $468 million on nuclear research in 1996.
* The nuclear industry's insurance subsidy runs $3 billion a year.
* Privatizing uranium fuel enrichment will end up costing us between $1.7 and $2.9 billion. Let's take an average ($2.3 billion) and say the government issues 7% bonds to pay for it. The interest on those bonds will cost us $161 million a year.
* Reprocessing spent fuel rods costs us $390 million a year ($340 million in South Carolina, $25 million in Illinois, $25 million in Idaho).
* Just planning for long-term storage of nuclear waste currently costs us $250 million a year.
* Estimates of the shortfall in the Nuclear Waste Fund range from $4 billion to $8 billion, and will go on virtually forever. Let's take an average ($6 billion) and issue 7% bonds; interest on them will run $420 million a year.
* Closing nuclear power plants is already costing us $15 million a year in lost taxes (a figure that's projected to rise substantially).
* But the real cost will come when the utilities admit they haven't set enough money aside to do the job. If we have to pay for the estimated $30+ billion shortfall with 7% bonds, the yearly interest will run about $2.1 billion.
* Fusion research cost us $244 million in fiscal 1996.
* Development of the "next generation" of nuclear plants cost us $40 million in fiscal 1996.
Put all these numbers together and you get a total subsidy for nuclear power of almost $7.1 billion a year.
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11/07/2012 11:54 AM
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Question for folks with grid-tie solar:

I just talked to a rep. on the phone about such a system, and she says there's an auto shutoff switch on the DC side of the inverter, that power company regulations require to be there, so that the system is unusable in an outage situation.

Is there a practical way to bypass or hotwire that switch? It's just so stupid to have a bunch of solar panels and not be able to use them when there's an outage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


you keep the inverter connected to the house and use a transfer switch to the power line. It has to be done correctly lest you electrocute a line worker.
 Quoting: Kirk


I've got the transfer switch already, for my gasoline generator, which I have been running on for the past week since Sandy visited. I guess the idea is to hotwire the solar auto-shutoff switch with power from my private generator?
Anonymous Coward
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11/07/2012 11:55 AM
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My god, the bad news rolls in immediately as the stupid husein voters are just waking up from their drunken stupor.

I saw this coming a few years ago and sold my home and moved into an apartment that's sunk into the ground by a couple of feet. Last year 10 of my electric bills were under $19 a month.

the husein voters will soon be crying in their beer as they finally realize that they can't even afford electricity....
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11/07/2012 11:57 AM
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I guess we could have installed a few solar panels, instead...



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Adding it all up
* The government spent $468 million on nuclear research in 1996.
* The nuclear industry's insurance subsidy runs $3 billion a year.
* Privatizing uranium fuel enrichment will end up costing us between $1.7 and $2.9 billion. Let's take an average ($2.3 billion) and say the government issues 7% bonds to pay for it. The interest on those bonds will cost us $161 million a year.
* Reprocessing spent fuel rods costs us $390 million a year ($340 million in South Carolina, $25 million in Illinois, $25 million in Idaho).
* Just planning for long-term storage of nuclear waste currently costs us $250 million a year.
* Estimates of the shortfall in the Nuclear Waste Fund range from $4 billion to $8 billion, and will go on virtually forever. Let's take an average ($6 billion) and issue 7% bonds; interest on them will run $420 million a year.
* Closing nuclear power plants is already costing us $15 million a year in lost taxes (a figure that's projected to rise substantially).
* But the real cost will come when the utilities admit they haven't set enough money aside to do the job. If we have to pay for the estimated $30+ billion shortfall with 7% bonds, the yearly interest will run about $2.1 billion.
* Fusion research cost us $244 million in fiscal 1996.
* Development of the "next generation" of nuclear plants cost us $40 million in fiscal 1996.
Put all these numbers together and you get a total subsidy for nuclear power of almost $7.1 billion a year.
 Quoting: Waterbug


People are mentioning thorium generation. What's your opinion on that.

Good to see you again Waterbug, I remember you from the DWH discussions. hf
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11/07/2012 11:58 AM
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Thorium thorium fucking thorium. Fuck wind and solar power, corporations getting rich off those inferior techs and polluting other parts of the world you never hear about.

The technology has been around for decades but no one is using it!

You can go one further and use free energy tech, dating as far back as Tesla. Earth is immersed in unlimited electrical potential (by human standards).. problem solved.

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Energy crisis is completely manufactured to strip you of your money and your freedom.
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Stop living in lala land. Our life is run totally and completely by hydrocarbons.


There must be a law that people can't lie.
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if i had the money i could have the majority of us off the grid in no time with my invention
no gas,no solar,no wind pay for it one time
then after a year or two it will pay for itself and your power will be free from then on except for occasional maintenance
 Quoting: ^TheWatchMan^


You'd still have to pay for food for the hamster and grease for the wheel.
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And you'd have to deal with the PETA inspectors....yet another layer of bureaucracy.
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Because of Germany's new stance on switching from Nuclear to renewable energies. The German public will be hit with a 47% increase in their energy bills from 2013. Bet the energy companies will still be making at least the same amounts of profit in 2013 too. Bastards!
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Question for folks with grid-tie solar:

I just talked to a rep. on the phone about such a system, and she says there's an auto shutoff switch on the DC side of the inverter, that power company regulations require to be there, so that the system is unusable in an outage situation.

Is there a practical way to bypass or hotwire that switch? It's just so stupid to have a bunch of solar panels and not be able to use them when there's an outage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


you keep the inverter connected to the house and use a transfer switch to the power line. It has to be done correctly lest you electrocute a line worker.
 Quoting: Kirk


I've got the transfer switch already, for my gasoline generator, which I have been running on for the past week since Sandy visited. I guess the idea is to hotwire the solar auto-shutoff switch with power from my private generator?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


you would feed your house panel from the inverter via the connection your generator uses. I switch generators etc using a stove pigtail and plug, 50 amps. You will have to watch your loads, too many at once and your inverter will pop a fuse. It is essential that the transfer switch disconnect the utility when the generator or inverter are used.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
Kirk

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11/07/2012 12:04 PM

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30kW. Man Trin you are set up there for a nice life now.

To replicate that, I'd have to swap out my crummy 6.5 kW gasoline generator for a 30kW diesel, preferably an old military unit. I wouldn't need a permit for it, but the switch (connect / disconnect from the grid) isn't built for that much either.

I am doing OK here running 4 computes, a TV, and my regular oil heating and propane cooking and well. Even the clothes washer. But when I tried to run the clothes dryer, it just about choked, the voltage went down to 220, etc.

Really I am jealous, but here we don't get as much sun anyway.
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you should look into cogeneration and burn that oil in an engine
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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I guess we could have installed a few solar panels, instead...



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People are mentioning thorium generation. What's your opinion on that.

Good to see you again Waterbug, I remember you from the DWH discussions. hf
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hi

I'm for a safer alternative that won't break the bank..
I don't care if it's squirrel-wheels..
We are suffering from severe lack of foresight.
You can't kick the can down the road indefinitely.
Eggcellent

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11/07/2012 12:10 PM
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it's not just the batteries that get you man

my system generates about 30kw from the panels and the inverters can output about 30kw ac steady back from the 4400 ah 48v battery bank...

just the inverters / charge controllers alone were 20 grand

the panels (just the panels) are another 50 grand

the batteries are another 60 grand

that's just for the basic raw components (wholesale)..

not counting mounting rails / concrete foundation / footers for the mounts...

storage buildings / breaker boxes, transfer switches, wiring for all the batteries / equipment etc...
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I see a return to candles and whale oil. Oh wait, whales are protected now.....
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Anybody remember the first horseless carriage. I don't either, but I can only imagine how hard it was to get fuel for it. They worked at it and it has brought us this far.
The fact is alternatives do need more work to be efficient. If it can be done with oil, it can be done with solar and wind. Even if it only cuts the use of oil, gas and coal by half that is a big improvement.
Average Americans have had it with these industries and anyone who supports the continued dry fucking we are geting, is obviously thier whore.
I love capitalism and making honest dollars is quite satisfying, but constant market manipulations and outright price fixing needs to stop. And we subsidize these industries with billions yearly.
Why the fuck is this a issue that even has political sides?
Kirk

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11/07/2012 12:13 PM

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On the other hand, in the even longer run if a lot of people install grid-tie solar, it will drive down the market price of power during sunny days, so again you'll be feeding the grid at low prices and often drawing power back at higher prices.

It's nice to have the grid to use as a battery though, where you can feed and withdraw power at will. Then you don't have to maintain your own battery!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


works for a few only. Once more than 15% go solar the fractional generation cost starts to soar from the poor utilization factor. Not a real solution, sadly.
 Quoting: Kirk


From an engineering perspective, this is true. But how will that inefficiency cost be passed on to consumers? In generally higher rates? In taxes on solar panels? Or in hourly pricing that accounts for the marginal generation pricing differences?

In either of the first two, it's a big win to get your solar panels installed now. In the first case you can even install them later, and maybe benefit from cheaper / better panels as they are developed. I've heard thin film is promising.

In the third, you'll end up feeding the grid at cheap prices and drawing at higher prices, but if solar gets cheap enough, I guess it'll probably still be worth it.

And in all cases, apartment dwellers are screwed.
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the utility still has to have adequate generation to keep the grid up and this energy has to respond in real time. If you have so much solar on line the hardware at the utility only sees 2 or 3 hours of use the cost per hour soars. the capitalization is unchanged as well. The total cost is carried by the society. Bad decisions will break the bank. You have to make the right decisions. Probably the most cost effective is austerity
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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hey opie shithead!!! here's your little HERO!!!!

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11/07/2012 12:15 PM

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Just wait til Barry uses Executive Orders to start Carbon Trading schemes.

We're fucked!!!
Congress is powerless as a governing body of ELECTED officials against APPOINTED officials. This has to change NOW.
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Anybody remember the first horseless carriage. I don't either, but I can only imagine how hard it was to get fuel for it. They worked at it and it has brought us this far.
The fact is alternatives do need more work to be efficient. If it can be done with oil, it can be done with solar and wind. Even if it only cuts the use of oil, gas and coal by half that is a big improvement.
Average Americans have had it with these industries and anyone who supports the continued dry fucking we are geting, is obviously thier whore.
I love capitalism and making honest dollars is quite satisfying, but constant market manipulations and outright price fixing needs to stop. And we subsidize these industries with billions yearly.
Why the fuck is this a issue that even has political sides?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17549114


Let's pretend the GOP are not evil nasty oil hungry bastards.

Let's just say they want to see renewable energy.


Now with that said, you don't replace an industry with something that costs 10x's as much or in Ohio's case 22x's more and force the change.

You come up with a cheap alternative first, then change.


Forcing people to pay obscene amounts is fucking stupid and pointless. Making them change before anything cheap is ready is stupid.


I would feel bad for them but they voted for Obama. I hope they get big raises.
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...and lower unemployment, reduced crime, lower health care costs, stable energy supply, lower pollution (should I go on?) etc.

These are called 'externalities', as a successful economy functions on more than the 'for sale price'.



What OP says will happen, it already happened in my province over 10 years ago when we elected our liberal premier

he invested heavily on solar and green energy the result was higher gas, and higher electricity costs


Green technology is not yet ready I dont' know if it will ever be

at the pace we consume energy, wind and solar is not a viable option
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We have free Tesla energy!!!!!

of course there is free energy

wake up fools!!!!!!!!!
jacksprat
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even with my battery storage I still have a 30kw backup propane generator hooked up to 1000 gallons of propane in the ground

in august I never saw the sun and the house kicked over to generator 3 nights that month...

the panels will still generate power when it's cloudy but not enough to keep up with demand so after a week or two of clouds it starts to run low at about 2 or 3 am

solar isn't the miracle solution the green tards make it out to be

sure it's cool if you have the money and are inclined to do such a thing

but just not feasible for normal people
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Wrong.

It's completely feasible for "normal" people.
It's called a solar lease and you should look into it.
Many large solar companies offer it and it's a "miracle solution" at ZERO money down.

I've had it installed on my home for FREE and my attic roof reinforced for FREE and I pay way less for electricity now and I get a reimbursement at the end of every year for power Ive sold back to the electric company so yes I do laugh all the way to the bank and no I'm not full of shit, friend.
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That's because you aren't counting the solar credit uncle sugar gave the installer. Tax dollars. Your scheme socializes the cost and privatizes the profit, the way Wall Street does math. Redistribution fails because it creates NOTHING. No free lunch, never was - never will be. Without the Federal incentives you would not have your solar lease.
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Does nothing?

It takes my home about 90% off coal fired plants and uses power from a renewable source.

Fed incentives are hardly a windfall where I live buddy. Sure the solar company gets them with a lease but with life insurance on the system including a multithousand dollar sunny boy inverter that will need replaced every 10 years, I'll take that deal.

I come out WAY ahead and so does the planet and every living thing on it.
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No, you are riding the coat tails of taxpayers. Shuffling bucks is a shell game. It is a deal to entice you to play but individuals win, not the planet. You are incorrect about the Federal incentives. It only pencils because of the incentives.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Democrats are cheering, happy, and rejoicing their win.

Their side won and they got what they wanted.

Now, four years of failed policies will be catching up to them in a way they could never expect from their messiah.

Their paychecks.

Finally, after all these years they will finally see what the Republicans they hate so much were warning them about. Eventually the tab has got to be paid. Policies set forth have consequences.

When you wipe out an entire industry, coal, you lose thousands of workers and billions of dollars. You switch the entire electrical grid over to "green" energy that is not ready.

By forcing the closing of coal plants at the costs of millions of dollars, and forcing them to use fuel to create the same amount of electricity to meet the demand, you are creating a situation where there is a huge gap in prices.

Electric companies are going to pass the costs to the consumers.


I'm not sure how to calculate the new bill, but you don't have to be a math wiz to know that a bill based on $16 mw vs a bill based on $167 or $357 means it will go up.

I certainly hope people adjust for a few hundred dollars more a month in their electric bills.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Not just their electric bills. I own a machine shop, and it takes a lot of electricity to run my CNC machines, welders and other equipment. That cost will be passed on to my customers and THEY will be paying the higher prices for my electricity use. I'm a small shop and would never offshore, but how many big manufacturers will look to China where electric is still cheap and a new coal plant goes online each week. Add to that the new cost of Obamacare and I see a lot of jobs disappearing in the next 4 years.
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We have free Tesla energy!!!!!

of course there is free energy

wake up fools!!!!!!!!!
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I have looked extensively at this stuff. I do believe free energy is possible but not the way people are trying.
Tesla never did a public demonstration of free energy. There are tales but stories always abound. He did have a workable scheme for transmission but Morgan sank that.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
I can't wait for those fools in Ohio to start complaining about high electricity rates. If they are ignorant enough to vote this guy back into office after his agenda was put out there for everyone to see, then they deserve what they get.

If you voted against this Marxist and you are currently in a Blue state, move to a Red state now! Let these liberal homosexual fools screw themselves into a 3rd world country environment, while the Red states succeed and return to Constitutional gov't.
"The people are the masters of both Congress and courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it!"
(Abraham Lincoln)

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