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Nuclear is better for the environment and safer than coal. You people think everything obama touches turns to shit.
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whither people know it or not, like it or not, nuclear power is a must if we are to survive as a civilized society. most have no clue as to the tremendous energy input required to produce enough food to feed the world. solar, wind or geothermal ain't gonna do it.
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Nuclear is better for the environment and safer than coal. You people think everything obama touches turns to shit.
 Quoting: krosty


Dangerous Shill alert!!!

damned2
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


Far much more radiation has been released though coal emissions than nuclear accidents.

Coal ash is more radioactive than nuclear waste. Do some research or just jump to your conclusions so we can all be slowly killed.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]
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11/07/2012 03:02 PM
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My electric has always been high...any higher, and I do not know how we will afford it.

Everything is getting more expensive.:sfh:
 Quoting: Krystal



Take a few tiles off your roof and insert a solar panel and a simple battery for storage..or get someone to do it...it works even in the worst weather...hot water; fridge; stove, heating taken care of... No Electricity tax bill!!!

[link to tlc.howstuffworks.com]

This is old news already...there was a South African Entrepreneur that has reduced this outlay even less with a new panel that was featured on an Investigative Journalist TV show here...Just once and then nothing else..Tried to find it but there's nothing...

Safe to say he took the Energy Multinational pay-off...
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Bushobama
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Nuclear is better for the environment and safer than coal. You people think everything obama touches turns to shit.
 Quoting: krosty


Dangerous Shill alert!!!

damned2
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


Far much more radiation has been released though coal emissions than nuclear accidents.

Coal ash is more radioactive than nuclear waste. Do some research or just jump to your conclusions so we can all be slowly killed.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]
 Quoting: krosty


You haven't heard a word I've written here for some reason...There is no need for any Household to be on any National electicity GRID whether it be Nuclear, Coal, Gas or any other fucking fuel...The Sun..there free of fucking charge like Oxygen so far!! Simple garage tech manipulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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11/07/2012 03:18 PM
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I cant wait now for electric to sky rocket and gas to sky rocket and all these taxes on Jan 1st .... Fuckers are going to get what they voted for.

Yea we will have to pay also ... But i'll just work and stay home on the weekends and spend very little excess cash.

You made the blister now deal with it LIBTARDs !
 Quoting: MadGame


+1
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The Coming 'Obama Recession' Of 2013
After campaigning hard for his new soak-the-rich tax increases, President Obama—er, I mean President Franklin D. Roosevelt—won reelection in 1936. A solid Democratic Congress dutifully passed the tax hikes, which quickly led to what’s known as the “Roosevelt recession” of 1937. If President Obama wins his reelection bid and gets his tax increases implemented, we will get the “Obama recession” of 2013.
The full article is here: [link to www.forbes.com]
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What's the point? I fucking give-up...Seriously I fucking Give UP!!!!!

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Where do you guys get this 'war on coal' business
Obama has supported the coal industry and particularly oil and gas.

I think coal workers obviously know that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7061022


Is this one of those cases where they keep repeating the lie until somebody believes it? FYI, Everybody heard barry say he would tax and regulate coal users/producers out of business. So what you are saying is BULLSHIT

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Anyone know what the rate increase would be for Maryland?
 Quoting: Generation Doom


Call your power company and find out what the 2015 contracted rates are and report back here.

I'm curious as well.
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I just emailed their customer service. I'll post back if I get an answer.
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Say goodbye to cheap electricity


and say hello to nikola tesla
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Got Algae?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8668963


Still won't make much dent...
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Ever see the demolition derby? Run into it with enough cars(alternative energy) and you make some big dents.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17549114


Yes. This world can run completely on 'alternative energy'. There are sun powered motor vehicles that reach the speeds of gas-fueled cars, but this tech doesn't buy mansions, Moet and BMW's...it takes the power from the 'Old order' and they fear it like the Princes and Princesses of Yor feared the Industrial Revolution. The same now as the true new Industrialists in their working class basements realise that sun is a big FREE gas station. The Creatures in control, like their rotten disgusting blood-line, are doing what their rich daddies told them - it is not about humanity... it is about us and fun times...
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


the sun is free. The machinery to harvest it, not so much.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Say goodbye to cheap electricity


and say hello to nikola tesla
 Quoting: anti-agenda21


yoda

yep that will be the next overall cheap electricity for all
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Nuclear is better for the environment and safer than coal. You people think everything obama touches turns to shit.
 Quoting: krosty


Only if you believe the ridiculous numbers the nuclear lobby publishes. What did they claim for Chernobyl? 43 lives? Put at least four zeros behind that.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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11/07/2012 04:10 PM

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Deutsch Bank forecasts that electricity prices could increase by as much as 300 percent in Ohio, Penn & Michigan due to coal plant shutdowns


[link to www.instituteforenergyresearch.org]
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Deutsch Bank forecasts that electricity prices could increase by as much as 300 percent in Ohio, Penn & Michigan due to coal plant shutdowns


[link to www.instituteforenergyresearch.org]
 Quoting: mathetes


I live for the day that those in Ohio are the first ones to start bitching about the outrageous electricity rates.

But ya know what.....You dumbasses asked for it:
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Still won't make much dent...
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Ever see the demolition derby? Run into it with enough cars(alternative energy) and you make some big dents.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17549114


Yes. This world can run completely on 'alternative energy'. There are sun powered motor vehicles that reach the speeds of gas-fueled cars, but this tech doesn't buy mansions, Moet and BMW's...it takes the power from the 'Old order' and they fear it like the Princes and Princesses of Yor feared the Industrial Revolution. The same now as the true new Industrialists in their working class basements realise that sun is a big FREE gas station. The Creatures in control, like their rotten disgusting blood-line, are doing what their rich daddies told them - it is not about humanity... it is about us and fun times...
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


the sun is free. The machinery to harvest it, not so much.
 Quoting: Kirk


The Machinery? It's a simple panel that converts the sun into all those things that power the home...I power my mobile with a device attached to a tread mill....not once have i plugged into the national grid...My House has a very hot shower and a TV that doesn't register on my tax bill (Yet)...you carry on now and give it up. It is simply research that will be memory holed here soon under 'intellectual property rights'....they is no winning for the working man!!! This here is supposed to be about US!! (Yes we fucking can?) me and you and a shot at the future....lining up those fucking starting blocks in a straight line in this fucking race...damnit all...I'm out. You come up with a solution!!!!
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With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


The U.S. is the No. 2 coal producer in the world.
I think we are still the No. 1 exporter.

The Energy Information Administration projected U.S. coal exports to reach a record 1.25 billion short tons in 2012.

With record exports, someone is making it rich.


Coal stocks would perform better under the energy policies of a Romney administration than a second Obama administration.

Natural gas and alternative energy
His platform has focused the most, however, on “a new big player,” natural gas.

Most oil companies that frack oil think natural gas as waste. Lower gas prices at the pump to just 2.00 and the frackers will pack up and go home.
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With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Good.

Coal is an archaic source of energy. We can do better.

I don't think however wind and solar is a viable alternative. We need to pursue Thorium and 'free' energy technology.
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With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Good.

Coal is an archaic source of energy. We can do better.

I don't think however wind and solar is a viable alternative. We need to pursue Thorium and 'free' energy technology.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


Oh yeah coal is so bad.... The skys here are dark with coal dust. Havent seen the sun in days. bushfing
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With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Good.

Coal is an archaic source of energy. We can do better.

I don't think however wind and solar is a viable alternative. We need to pursue Thorium and 'free' energy technology.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


Oh yeah coal is so bad.... The skys here are dark with coal dust. Havent seen the sun in days. bushfing
 Quoting: Joker


And the mercury you libs say that coals gives me you want to give me and my kids in a vaccination, but then its not a big deal. hiding
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Ever see the demolition derby? Run into it with enough cars(alternative energy) and you make some big dents.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17549114


Yes. This world can run completely on 'alternative energy'. There are sun powered motor vehicles that reach the speeds of gas-fueled cars, but this tech doesn't buy mansions, Moet and BMW's...it takes the power from the 'Old order' and they fear it like the Princes and Princesses of Yor feared the Industrial Revolution. The same now as the true new Industrialists in their working class basements realise that sun is a big FREE gas station. The Creatures in control, like their rotten disgusting blood-line, are doing what their rich daddies told them - it is not about humanity... it is about us and fun times...
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


the sun is free. The machinery to harvest it, not so much.
 Quoting: Kirk


The Machinery? It's a simple panel that converts the sun into all those things that power the home...I power my mobile with a device attached to a tread mill....not once have i plugged into the national grid...My House has a very hot shower and a TV that doesn't register on my tax bill (Yet)...you carry on now and give it up. It is simply research that will be memory holed here soon under 'intellectual property rights'....they is no winning for the working man!!! This here is supposed to be about US!! (Yes we fucking can?) me and you and a shot at the future....lining up those fucking starting blocks in a straight line in this fucking race...damnit all...I'm out. You come up with a solution!!!!
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


You're supposed to pay tax on owning a TV?
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With Coal on it's way out they will soon wish for the days where electricity was made for a mere $16 a megawatt.

It will now go to $167 per megawatt in PA. They will see the adjustment on their electric bills in a year or so and cry.

0hio will enjoy an adjustment to $357 per megawatt.


I guess that is what they wanted. They swung towards Obama. There are a lot of Coal miners and Coal mines shutting down ........


Say goodbye to cheap power. Those fools in those states are going to get a rude awakening.


The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Good.

Coal is an archaic source of energy. We can do better.

I don't think however wind and solar is a viable alternative. We need to pursue Thorium and 'free' energy technology.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


Fine. Build a prototype or preferably full-scale thorium reactor and let's test it out, then talk about all this enviro shit.

In the mean time, mining coal is a lot better than fracking our underground rock structures and injecting who-knows-what into the holes, to get that "clean, green" natural gas.
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So when can we expect to see the cost to trickle down to consumers? 2013?
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Wrong.

It's completely feasible for "normal" people.
It's called a solar lease and you should look into it.
Many large solar companies offer it and it's a "miracle solution" at ZERO money down.

I've had it installed on my home for FREE and my attic roof reinforced for FREE and I pay way less for electricity now and I get a reimbursement at the end of every year for power Ive sold back to the electric company so yes I do laugh all the way to the bank and no I'm not full of shit, friend.
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That's because you aren't counting the solar credit uncle sugar gave the installer. Tax dollars. Your scheme socializes the cost and privatizes the profit, the way Wall Street does math. Redistribution fails because it creates NOTHING. No free lunch, never was - never will be. Without the Federal incentives you would not have your solar lease.
 Quoting: Kirk


Does nothing?

It takes my home about 90% off coal fired plants and uses power from a renewable source.

Fed incentives are hardly a windfall where I live buddy. Sure the solar company gets them with a lease but with life insurance on the system including a multithousand dollar sunny boy inverter that will need replaced every 10 years, I'll take that deal.

I come out WAY ahead and so does the planet and every living thing on it.
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No, you are riding the coat tails of taxpayers. Shuffling bucks is a shell game. It is a deal to entice you to play but individuals win, not the planet. You are incorrect about the Federal incentives. It only pencils because of the incentives.
 Quoting: Kirk


Riding tax payer coat tails? Are you serious buddy?

I'm a taxpayer, ass napkin. Probably longer than you've been alive.

The incentives are minimal. I know the contract I signed, I read it.

You? You didn't read shit of it.

If you're such a fuckin' know it all, quit yappin' online and save us all from our energy woes, otherwise shove your "pencils" up your corn hole.

Good day.
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So when can we expect to see the cost to trickle down to consumers? 2013?
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According to the PJM forward capacity market, 2015 will be much more expensive.
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Ever see the demolition derby? Run into it with enough cars(alternative energy) and you make some big dents.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17549114


Yes. This world can run completely on 'alternative energy'. There are sun powered motor vehicles that reach the speeds of gas-fueled cars, but this tech doesn't buy mansions, Moet and BMW's...it takes the power from the 'Old order' and they fear it like the Princes and Princesses of Yor feared the Industrial Revolution. The same now as the true new Industrialists in their working class basements realise that sun is a big FREE gas station. The Creatures in control, like their rotten disgusting blood-line, are doing what their rich daddies told them - it is not about humanity... it is about us and fun times...
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


the sun is free. The machinery to harvest it, not so much.
 Quoting: Kirk


The Machinery? It's a simple panel that converts the sun into all those things that power the home...I power my mobile with a device attached to a tread mill....not once have i plugged into the national grid...My House has a very hot shower and a TV that doesn't register on my tax bill (Yet)...you carry on now and give it up. It is simply research that will be memory holed here soon under 'intellectual property rights'....they is no winning for the working man!!! This here is supposed to be about US!! (Yes we fucking can?) me and you and a shot at the future....lining up those fucking starting blocks in a straight line in this fucking race...damnit all...I'm out. You come up with a solution!!!!
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


A solution? Burn coal until we have a replacement technology. All this rah rah rah is bullshit. If it doesn't pencil it doesn't pencil. All this into the future shit is so far just shit.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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That's because you aren't counting the solar credit uncle sugar gave the installer. Tax dollars. Your scheme socializes the cost and privatizes the profit, the way Wall Street does math. Redistribution fails because it creates NOTHING. No free lunch, never was - never will be. Without the Federal incentives you would not have your solar lease.
 Quoting: Kirk


Does nothing?

It takes my home about 90% off coal fired plants and uses power from a renewable source.

Fed incentives are hardly a windfall where I live buddy. Sure the solar company gets them with a lease but with life insurance on the system including a multithousand dollar sunny boy inverter that will need replaced every 10 years, I'll take that deal.

I come out WAY ahead and so does the planet and every living thing on it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248


No, you are riding the coat tails of taxpayers. Shuffling bucks is a shell game. It is a deal to entice you to play but individuals win, not the planet. You are incorrect about the Federal incentives. It only pencils because of the incentives.
 Quoting: Kirk


Riding tax payer coat tails? Are you serious buddy?

I'm a taxpayer, ass napkin. Probably longer than you've been alive.

The incentives are minimal. I know the contract I signed, I read it.

You? You didn't read shit of it.

If you're such a fuckin' know it all, quit yappin' online and save us all from our energy woes, otherwise shove your "pencils" up your corn hole.

Good day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26487248

Outshouting me doesn't make you a truth teller. The numbers aren't there. I am an engineer and penciling convinces me, not calling people names. Try logic next time
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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What numbers?

Who the hell are you?

You don't know me, my solar setup, my contract, you don't know shit.

Quit telling me about my life, I think I know it better than you.
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Re: Say goodbye to cheap electricity
what's the big deal?

all you need is $250,000 and a spare football field at your house and you can go solar!

everyones doing it!

it's the way of the future!
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Doesn't take that much space, I have plenty on my roof and I can sell the excess back to the grid.

Now for those city-dwelling Obama voters who live in apartments, I guess they are truly fucked, but they voted for it so they should enjoy it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869


lol

just because you have a few solar panels on your roof does NOT make you fully energy independent

you have a GRID TIE system

that does NOT provide for all your power needs AT ALL and you know that as you STILL get a power bill

I happen to be 100% off grid and I KNOW what it takes to do it...

Solar is not practical in real world practice

take it from someone who has actually done it

I'm glad I did because I'm self sufficient but for the average person in the average neighborhood it just aint happening
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Good point Trin. A few points of my own:

1. I am not an average person in an average neighborhood. I know what I'm talking about, about this. I even know more than you do about it, no offense. I've worked in the energy industry and am an electrical engineer.

2. I am not trying to get off the grid with this system. I don't need to, to remove the effect of Obamaprices from my life. All I need to do is, on the average, to feed back the same amount to the grid as I take at other times.

3. I am currently off the grid anyway. I am in the NYC suburbs which, as you've heard, has had some recent weather events. A week after Sandy and I am still running off my gasoline generator.

4. Being off the grid with solar would be nice, but quite expensive because of mainly the batteries to store sufficient power. A grid-tie system, with emergy energy storage via gasoline or propane rather than batteries, seems reasonable to me at current prices.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27212869

With you %100 on that. Here in Oz it costs about $8,000 for a 5 Kilowatt inverter and 16 panels, thats enough for an average family. Power created above use gets you a cheque from the energy company. Off grid for a families needs runs at $63,000 to start up because the batteries are expensive so on grid feed back is a good way to go.

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