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time as an illusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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As you read this sentence, you probably think that this moment—right now—is what is happening. The present moment feels special. It is real. However much you may remember the past or anticipate the future, you live in the present. Of course, the moment during which you read that sentence is no longer happening. This one is. In other words, it feels as though time flows, in the sense that the present is constantly updating itself. We have a deep intuition that the future is open until it becomes present and that the past is fixed. As time flows, this structure of fixed past, immediate present and open future gets carried forward in time. This structure is built into our language, thought and behavior. How we live our lives hangs on it.

Yet as natural as this way of thinking is, you will not find it reflected in science. The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring right now—they are like a map without the “you are here” symbol. The present moment does not exist in them, and therefore neither does the flow of time. Additionally, Albert Einstein’s theories of relativity suggest not only that there is no single special present but also that all moments are equally real [see “That Mysterious Flow,” by Paul Davies; Scientific American, September 2002]. Fundamentally, the future is no more open than the past.

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Nothing is eternal. Meaning time is real.
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Nothing is eternal. Meaning time is real.
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Not quite.

Chronology of events exist - but that's not actually time (as defined with seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, years - these are mathematical constraints we put on chronology in connection and synchronization with the order of natural events throughout the day). Time itself is an illusion - only chronology of events truly exist.

Once you realize that, then the concept of time no longer applies to you. Consciousness is a curious thing - your reality will alter depending on what illusions you do and don't hold to. When you let go of the illusion of time all that is left is the natural order of chronology.
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Nothing is eternal. Meaning time is real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Not quite.

Chronology of events exist - but that's not actually time (as defined with seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, years - these are mathematical constraints we put on chronology in connection and synchronization with the order of natural events throughout the day). Time itself is an illusion - only chronology of events truly exist.

Once you realize that, then the concept of time no longer applies to you. Consciousness is a curious thing - your reality will alter depending on what illusions you do and don't hold to. When you let go of the illusion of time all that is left is the natural order of chronology.
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Reread my short posting: nothing about "chronology". Wake up.
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Nothing is eternal. Meaning time is real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Not quite.

Chronology of events exist - but that's not actually time (as defined with seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, years - these are mathematical constraints we put on chronology in connection and synchronization with the order of natural events throughout the day). Time itself is an illusion - only chronology of events truly exist.

Once you realize that, then the concept of time no longer applies to you. Consciousness is a curious thing - your reality will alter depending on what illusions you do and don't hold to. When you let go of the illusion of time all that is left is the natural order of chronology.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27201298


True, in a sense, but "letting go" of the illusion of time is about as easy as letting go of gravity. Or rather, it's exactly as easy, because gravity is what causes the illusion of time in the first place!

If/when we ascend to a higher reality and aren't subject to gravity, we won't be subject to the illusion of time either. Until then, I'm afraid we're stuck with it.

But as you said, the chronological order of events will always be there.
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Nothing is eternal. Meaning time is real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Not quite.

Chronology of events exist - but that's not actually time (as defined with seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, years - these are mathematical constraints we put on chronology in connection and synchronization with the order of natural events throughout the day). Time itself is an illusion - only chronology of events truly exist.

Once you realize that, then the concept of time no longer applies to you. Consciousness is a curious thing - your reality will alter depending on what illusions you do and don't hold to. When you let go of the illusion of time all that is left is the natural order of chronology.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27201298


Reread my short posting: nothing about "chronology". Wake up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


I did read it - I was taking your premise of "Nothing is eternal" - meaning that it ceases to exist and replying with the concept of chronology. There are two main events - one in which the object began existing and one in which the object ceases to exist. The only concept of time that object has (if any) is the span in which it exists. However, depending on the object's consciousness and the amount/types of events that occur during it's existence, the concept of time (if it has any) will be either long or short, drawn out or fast paced.

However, this is on the premise that nothing is eternal. This isn't quite true either - nothing is eternal in the state it is currently in. When a seed falls to the ground, it becomes a new plant. When a plant dies, it becomes fertilizer for new plants. And so it is with everything - nothing ever really ceases to exist, it simply changes the state in which it exists.

Now, this is all on based a linear chronology of events - birth happening before middle age, and death happening afterwards. However, the more one becomes aware of the multilayered, interweaving reality that existence truly is and sees the illusions of the concepts of past, present and future for what they are...then time loses all meaning to the consciousness. There only IS. The chronology ceases to become solely linear, but instead linear, circular and interwoven amongst itself.

One exists eternally in each moment that they exist, for each moment eternally exists in the point of chronology in which it occurred. The events of the past and future exist in the moments in which they occur - and while they may not continue to exist or have yet to exist they exist all the same eternally in the moment when they occur. Reading page 212 of a 400 page book doesn't mean that page 10 ceases to exist since you are no longer reading it, or that page 381 has yet to exist because you have yet to read it....they eternally exist in the place of their chronological order.

Once you wake up and let go of the illusion of time, the concepts of past, present and future all roll into one.
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Are you all doctors or something ?
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Time is an "illusion" that exists on a "HARDDRIVE" equivalent in another
reality. Does your disk go round and round on your computer??? So does
time in the dimension that created it. It can be stopped, reversed and
forwarded at the creators will. If it wasn't created it could be linear.
But, since it was created it has a beginning and an end. However, the
end was tied to it's beginning to make it a perfect circle.
That's why when one is born, one died immediately before to begin again.
The spirit is a perfect microcosm of the macrocosm being time.
Many beginnings and many ends endlessly tied together in a "fabric"
so-to-speak

Linear math says a CUBE is a power of three

Wrong!

How many lines does each side of a CUBE have. A CUBE is six SQUARES given a dimensional space. Each SQUARE has four sides.

HOW CAN ANYONE CALL THE POWER OF THREE A CUBE?????

Makes no sense now does it.

3 dimensional expression = earth or the third planet also expressed
past, present and future.

Though time is SIMULTANEOUS... It is multi-dimensional... so there are many dimensions of reality.
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I'm with you OP, i wanna help out here.

Let's draw up a difference between two crucial words. The words are:

Infinity


and


Eternity.


Let's now define these words, in the context of time:



Infinity: The duration of each moment, and time as a whole. 1 second, 2 seconds, 3 seconds, a million seconds, infinity seconds. Infinity is quantitative. Time could go on for infinity - the universe may never end.


Eternity: the nature of time as a thing in itself. Fixed, unchangeable, singular. Eternity is qualitative. Each moment is unchanging; the previous moment always would be, always is, and always will be the moment that it is; it is unchangeable - its qualities are unique to it. Only that moment is that moment, and that moment can never be anything other than that moment. It is eternal in this sense.


Let's use an example to help clarify this difference.

Here is a series of events:

1. John wakes up at 9am.

2. John takes a shower at 10am.

3. John gets dressed at 10.45am

4. John has breakfast at 11am.

5. John gets in his car at 11.30am.


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This series of events could go on for INFINITY. The series could be infinitely long.

But each individual event is ETERNAL. Each event can be isolated in the infinite progression of events - and is unchanging. 1 is always 1. 2 is always 2. 3 is always 3. 1 is never 2. 2 is never 234234.

Another way of seeing this might be to consider them like a ball on two axes. The y axis extends vertically; both up and down. the x axis extends left and right; horizontally.

Now, draw a line on the x axis from 0 to infinity. As the ball moves from 0 to infinity, horizontally, each number can be considered one moment. at 1, draw a line which extends on the y axis (vertical) both from 0 to +infinity, and 0 to -infinity.

Each vertical line is an eternal moment. The ball moves along the x axis infinitely. This is the difference between eternal and infinite.
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Everything has already happened, we are just sorting it out.
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rare shit


saturn the so called planet of Time color is black which absorbs all colours
????

AAAHHHHHH so many things
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saturn the so called planet of Time color is black which absorbs all colours
????

AAAHHHHHH so many things
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27283061

Black absorbs all colours
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saturn the so called planet of Time color is black which absorbs all colours
????

AAAHHHHHH so many things
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27283061

Black absorbs all colours
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27283061


not so many things actually, this is just basic astrology
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What's the best moment in the life of a sammich. When it's time has come?

The unbelievable, unique moment, teeth start up their good work, cut, nothing can be reversed thereafter any more.

That moment it gives up it's entity in the abyss of your mouth this is the first essential, but sammich's time then is not over yet, giving you the energy to maintain at a further stage of it's dissipation, a time frame you usually will use to pry for another.

Science has to deal with quite a bunch of alien sammichs. The sweet and sour of occupation with but is the same. Tell 'em that, how tastes? To give you an answer they send you to the therapist.

Time there goes in and out as a sort of a crutch in the endeavor to cage God or how things finally resolve.
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In terms of entropy and organic matter time exists

Grass grows in the field, next its in the belly of the cow. Next the cow is on your hamburger, next it digested into your body which is constantly shedding and adding new cells, next it comes out as fertilizer which (for animals,) was meant to fertilize the field, Constant cyclic cycle.

Time is just the re arrangement of matter..

Look at your fridge and then look at your kids growing up. They ate all the food in the fridge. What was once in the fridge is now in the bodies of your kids.

Matter rearranges form continually, so does water and evaporation and rain and snow.
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Time is an illusion in the same way that this entire reality is a manifestation of the Mind of the All.
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Time is malable... it is impermanent.. or there would be no precog or dejavu
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In terms of entropy and organic matter time exists

Grass grows in the field, next its in the belly of the cow. Next the cow is on your hamburger, next it digested into your body which is constantly shedding and adding new cells, next it comes out as fertilizer which (for animals,) was meant to fertilize the field, Constant cyclic cycle.

Time is just the re arrangement of matter..

Look at your fridge and then look at your kids growing up. They ate all the food in the fridge. What was once in the fridge is now in the bodies of your kids.

Matter rearranges form continually, so does water and evaporation and rain and snow.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


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Time is the most abundant resource in existence, yet humans still figured out how to waste a lot of it.
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Time is the most abundant resource in existence, yet humans still figured out how to waste a lot of it.
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Wasting time is a function of antisystemic nonproductive freewill.... aka freedom.
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We waste time as long as we believe that time is money. There's no freedom in that.
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Time is just a state of mind, a point of reference devised by the human mind. Outside of our minds, past, present, and future, exist at the same time. What is perceived as slow to you, will be perceived as fast by someone else.

Put two people back to back in the same spot, one watching something incredibly boring, the other watching something very exciting, and they will both experience time differently. The day will seem to last forever for the one experiencing boredom, while the one experiencing something exciting, the day will fly by. Its simply the way the brain process's the info put into it. Stimulation, Integration, and finally, reaction.
The only constant is change

The winds of anger, blows out the candle of intelligence

"Slowly, like moisture entering the dying tree trunk, slowly filling and rotting it, so did the world and inertia creep into his soul; it slowly filled his soul, made it heavy, made it tired, sent it to sleep"

"One must find the source within one's own Self, one must possess it"
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Everything has already happened, we are just sorting it out.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


This is a very interesting statement-

would explain 'deja vu'.
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There is no such thing as the past, it is just a memory. The future is just our imagination. The future will never come; by the time it does it will be the present.

When there is no imagined future with an object or idea, its natural to walk away. Natural divergent thinking. Beliefs are injected to us that encourage us to imagine a future with the object or idea that is presented by tptb.

No such thing as time travel. There just IS, unconditionally.

There are too forms of the verb be. There's the "conditional" which represents the physical perception, and the "unconditional" which represents the spirit, consciousness, and pure energy.
The mind has to sort between the two which most people never get to and are easily manipulated.
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If Time is an Illusion then so is: Up, Down, Back, Forth and Side to Side.
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Just time?
me thinks everything else is an illusion.
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