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The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel

 
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It sounds like a whisper
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numbers 24:17:
I shall see him(first witness), but not now: I shall behold him(2nd witness), but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob(a star is a sign or a precursor to the main one), and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel(king or ruler), and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

some see the star out of jacob being one person and the sceptre as another......and the others see the star and the sceptre as on and the same....the star coming out of Jacob is "one coming out of Jacob and to me Jacob is the united states

If this prophecy lines up with the others the sceptre is the last day servant once again.

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Can you even imagine what it would have been like to been there to see this Isaiah 61 being read by Jesus claiming to be the Messiah. WOW!....


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No, the real nobody is the person who figures it all out first.
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The real nobody(last day servant of God) is the "first born" and that is why it will be given to him first
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Malachi 4:5-6 Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the Lord

We know from this verse Elijah will come two times.
Once at the great Day of the Lord
Again at the dreadful day of the Lord

The great Day of the Lord was when Jesus our salvation came.
The dreadful Day of the Lord is when judgement comes.

Matthew 17:
10The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

11Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already came, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

In Matthew 17:11 Jesus says to be sure, Elijah comes(future tense) and will restore all things.....and then goes on to say Elijah already came(past tense) as John the baptist.

Elijah always comes doing 2 things:
1. Forewarning of judgement and a call to repentance
2. Foretelling of something good coming

Elijah pronounced judgement/repentance coming the first time he came.(Ahab and Jezzebel)
Then after he prayed God closed the heavens for 42 months, Then he prayed again 42 months later for rain and it came...(judgement then rain)

John the baptist (spirit of Elijah) same thing happens:
1 John calls for the people to repent because judgement is coming.
2. John calls Jesus the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world(John introduced the greatest thing in the world)

Last day Elijah will forewarn the nation that it is about to come under judgement if they don't repent once again.

Last day Elijah will introduce the last day servant. Just as John was Jesus' forerunner/call to repentance, so this Elijah will be used to call the nation to repentance on a national scale(Elijah will not call the people to repentance on youtube where he may get a half million hits. When God sent Jonah to nivevah the whole nation knew they needed to repent not just 10 percent. So watch for one that addresses the whole nation to step up very soon.

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There are 2 houses of Israel the jew and the (gentile christian)

The bible has a pattern of dealing with the physical and then the spiritual

The reason gentiles were offered salvation was to make the Jews jealous

When you read Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets, those books are showing you first the physical Israel and they did exactly what america is doing

In the end you can read Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets, and see what will happen to spiritual Israel(United States)

America is referred to as Jacob in the book of Isaiah.
Jacob later was changed to the name Israel.

Jacob was described as a liar, deceiver, and a worm, but after he wrestled with the angel he became Israel.

This is a foreshadow of America. When judgement comes they are like Jacob and will wrestle with the angel but after a 42 month period of the furnace of affliction and the destruction of all their idols they have a change of heart and will be known as Israel

Then will come the 7 year tribulation(7 year famine of the word of God) and just as God raised up Moses in the time of the children of Israel being slaves, so again will he raise up a moses and send an elijah with him(two witnesses) to lead the children of God.

In Isaiah the spiritual Israel is called Jacob and becomes Israel is a nation but it is also the servant that comes at the end of the 42 month furnace of affliction the United States goes through, because the servant goes through the furnace of affliction also because he starts out a Jacob(deceiver, liar, worm) but then becomes an Israel(Gods first born)

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I try to show 2 things in this thread:

1. The destruction of Israel in Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the prophets is a rehearsal for the United States.

The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and the spiritual second. We saw physical Israel in those books. The same thing is happening to the United States, first Israel turned from God. Then took God out of the land, just as the U.S has.

The physical Israel saw the wrath of God come and were taken away into slavery when the enemy came and Israel had no God to protect them. It doesn't matter how powerful your country is, if God is against you then you will lose.

If physical Israel was taken into captivity do you not think spiritual Israel(United States) will be taken into captivity also?




The 2nd thing I try to show is that God raises up a deliverer, just as God always does when calamity comes. This servant will be Gods greatest of all servants and will claim to be the first begotten of Jesus. If you read through the thread you will see this last day servant builds the temple of God, and again God already had a physical temple 2 times and they were destroyed, this temple the last day servant is building is a spiritual temple that can't be destroyed....please read through the thread and if you like it......share it on facebook by clicking on the link in the right hand corner of the first page, also share it on twitter by doing the same thing in the twitter link.....thank you
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Hmm taken away into slavery or held captive in slavery?

I think the USA may be heading down the road into the second.
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I try to show 2 things in this thread:

1. The destruction of Israel in Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the prophets is a rehearsal for the United States.

The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and the spiritual second. We saw physical Israel in those books. The same thing is happening to the United States, first Israel turned from God. Then took God out of the land, just as the U.S has.

The physical Israel saw the wrath of God come and were taken away into slavery when the enemy came and Israel had no God to protect them. It doesn't matter how powerful your country is, if God is against you then you will lose.

If physical Israel was taken into captivity do you not think spiritual Israel(United States) will be taken into captivity also?




The 2nd thing I try to show is that God raises up a deliverer, just as God always does when calamity comes. This servant will be Gods greatest of all servants and will claim to be the first begotten of Jesus. If you read through the thread you will see this last day servant builds the temple of God, and again God already had a physical temple 2 times and they were destroyed, this temple the last day servant is building is a spiritual temple that can't be destroyed....please read through the thread and if you like it......share it on facebook by clicking on the link in the right hand corner of the first page, also share it on twitter by doing the same thing in the twitter link.....thank you
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Hmm taken away into slavery or held captive in slavery?

I think the USA may be heading down the road into the second.
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The ones held captive in slavery will be of the fema camp victims within this nation. This is of Satan's wrath against a once Godly nation, who allowed wickedness to rule over them. These captives will be held in this land, for a short season,(6 to 9 months). Many if not most will be raped, starved, and tortured to death. Sadly men of evil will not come to their aid nor fight against wicked deeds. Such men only live in fear of their own safety, and will not help their fellows in captivity at that time.

The second group taken into slavery will be after this nation is attacked by many nuclear weapons by a great nation. This will be within a year period from now, thus the end of the fema camps. The second group taken away in slavery is God's wrath against a rebellious people, and all idols will be burned away from the land. This second group will be purposed to suffer in captivity for two full years,(2yrs. 9mos)two full years. This captivity will be in other nations, but their full servitude must be forty and two months, even as waterman has testified also. They (Jacob)(U.S.A.) even runs to their brother nation, (Canada), to escape the enemy, but their brother will not hide them or welcome them into their border,(Obad.6-15). Do not be mislead by names of regions, for they are germane only through discernment.

God's purpose for this group is to bring forth a holy people, void of all idols, repentant of all sins, seeking God in all mercy. A nation torn and a people crying out in their captivity will both be heard by a merciful God, and He shall show His favor once again to a people and a nation forgotten by all, but only after the full second year. These are the times of Jacob's trouble (42 mos.), many will be saved and many will not. Those who seek to save their lives shall be lost! Hiding in other countries, storing up in hidden lands will not allow you to escape the wrath of God. Those who trust in God will be shown the path of eternal life! After that time, the Tribulation period commences! Pray you have escaped in God's grace by then.

This is why many think the rapture comes after the tribulation times. Others say no, but before those 7 years. Both are correct. What they failed to see is the time of Jacob's trouble is also part of a tribulation period for the church, this nation, this world. For the destruction of the United States is going to lead the World into starvation, death, wars, and the Anti- Christ. First though God must come forth to receive a bride, holy, spotless, wrinkled free. Only heat takes away wrinkles, only hot water takes away spots. So after these troubles, then the rapture, but first great sorrow will come and hundreds of millions must perish, most will be the people of this nation to start.

However, all those who are trusting in the rapture to save them, are lost already. Jesus Christ alone is your salvation. Trusting anything outside of Him, will not allow you an easy escapism to the good, pleasant, comfortable eternity you so much desire! God knows the heart, trusting in a happening (rapture) is not the salvation Christ paid so dearly for. Jesus wants you to trust in Him. He can get you home safely. Those who will trust in the rapture are deceived within their own heart. The heart is evil, and desperately wicked, above all things, who can know it. Rejoice in the thought of the rapture, but put no trust in a happening. This is a form of Idol worship and God is not in this! No image, no sign, no play on words can deceive His sheep. His sheep hears His voice, and they alone cannot be deceived. If you can not trust in Christ first, and live for Him now. How shall you stand in the days of evil, hate, murder, rape and starvation. How will you love your enemy, and if not, how will you please Christ?
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that island....so rpg like ....nice!
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There is a prophecy from Isaiah 7 which I will like to discuss in this thread, because I believe this event will be a sign that the time of Jacob's trouble is about to start.

1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to make war against it, but could not prevail against it. 2 And it was told to the house of David, saying, “Syria’s forces are deployed in Ephraim.” So his heart and the heart of his people were moved as the trees of the woods are moved with the wind.

3 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and Shear-Jashub your son, at the end of the aqueduct from the upper pool, on the highway to the Fuller’s Field, 4 and say to him: ‘Take heed, and be quiet; do not fear or be fainthearted for these two stubs of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah have plotted evil against you, saying, 6 “Let us go up against Judah and trouble it, and let us make a gap in its wall for ourselves, and set a king over them, the son of Tabel”—

7 thus says the Lord God:
“It shall not stand,
Nor shall it come to pass.
8 For the head of Syria is Damascus,
And the head of Damascus is Rezin.
Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be broken,
So that it will not be a people.
9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria,

And the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son.
If you will not believe,
Surely you shall not be established.”’”

17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.”
 Quoting: Isaiah 7


This prophecy will take place when Syria will join forces with Samaria to fight against Judah.

Now who are the modern day Samaritans/Samaria who will ally themselves with Syria to fight Judah?

The modern day Samaritans are the Palestinians!

Much of the local Palestinian population of Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam. According to the historian Fayyad Altif, large numbers of Samaritans converted due to persecution under various Muslim rulers, and because the monotheistic nature of Islam made it easy for them to accept it. The Samaritans themselves describe the Ottoman period as the worst period in their modern history, as many Samaritan families were forced to convert their religion to Islam during that time. Even today, certain Nabulsi family names such as Muslimani, Yaish, Sayeh, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Isaiah tells us that Israel will win the coming war against Syria and the Palestinians. The Palestinian population will be so reduced, that it will no longer be considered a "people".

I actually believe that Israel will preserve alive only the Samaritan Palestinians and do away with the majority Arab Palestinians.

Isaiah says that this war will take place within 65 years since the Samaritans (or Ephraim) departed from Judah (or Israel).

This separation between the Palestinians and the people of Israel took place on May 14, 1948 when the state of Israel was established, and the Palestinians refused to establish their own state alongside Israel.

65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place.

Thread: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

However after this, "The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon Judah — days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah", which is the time of Jacob's trouble.
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The coming time of Jacob's trouble will be much worse for Israel than what happened 65 years ago on May 14, 1948 when Israel and the Palestinians separated ways.

Within hours of the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, five of the seven countries of the Arab League at that time, namely Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, backed by Saudi Arabian and Yemenite contingents invaded territory in the former British Mandate of Palestine on the night of 14–15 May 1948.

The forces of Syria and Egypt launched attacks outside of the proposed Arab section of the Partition Plan. Jordan invaded the proposed "Corpus Separatum", which had yet to be instituted, including the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem.

The Arab plans called for Syrian and Lebanese forces to invade from north while Jordanian and Iraqi forces were to invade from east. The Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Iraqi forces to link up in Galilee and then turn towards Haifa. In the south, the Egyptians were to advance and take Tel Aviv.

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7 How awful that day will be!
No other will be like it.
It will be a time of trouble for Jacob,
but he will be saved out of it.
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There is a prophecy from Isaiah 7 which I will like to discuss in this thread, because I believe this event will be a sign that the time of Jacob's trouble is about to start.

1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to make war against it, but could not prevail against it. 2 And it was told to the house of David, saying, “Syria’s forces are deployed in Ephraim.” So his heart and the heart of his people were moved as the trees of the woods are moved with the wind.

3 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and Shear-Jashub your son, at the end of the aqueduct from the upper pool, on the highway to the Fuller’s Field, 4 and say to him: ‘Take heed, and be quiet; do not fear or be fainthearted for these two stubs of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah have plotted evil against you, saying, 6 “Let us go up against Judah and trouble it, and let us make a gap in its wall for ourselves, and set a king over them, the son of Tabel”—

7 thus says the Lord God:
“It shall not stand,
Nor shall it come to pass.
8 For the head of Syria is Damascus,
And the head of Damascus is Rezin.
Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be broken,
So that it will not be a people.
9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria,

And the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son.
If you will not believe,
Surely you shall not be established.”’”

17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.”
 Quoting: Isaiah 7


This prophecy will take place when Syria will join forces with Samaria to fight against Judah.

Now who are the modern day Samaritans/Samaria who will ally themselves with Syria to fight Judah?

The modern day Samaritans are the Palestinians!

Much of the local Palestinian population of Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam. According to the historian Fayyad Altif, large numbers of Samaritans converted due to persecution under various Muslim rulers, and because the monotheistic nature of Islam made it easy for them to accept it. The Samaritans themselves describe the Ottoman period as the worst period in their modern history, as many Samaritan families were forced to convert their religion to Islam during that time. Even today, certain Nabulsi family names such as Muslimani, Yaish, Sayeh, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


Isaiah tells us that Israel will win the coming war against Syria and the Palestinians. The Palestinian population will be so reduced, that it will no longer be considered a "people".

I actually believe that Israel will preserve alive only the Samaritan Palestinians and do away with the majority Arab Palestinians.

Isaiah says that this war will take place within 65 years since the Samaritans (or Ephraim) departed from Judah (or Israel).

This separation between the Palestinians and the people of Israel took place on May 14, 1948 when the state of Israel was established, and the Palestinians refused to establish their own state alongside Israel.

65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place.

Thread: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

However after this, "The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon Judah — days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah", which is the time of Jacob's trouble.
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There is nothing more that needs to be discussed about this topic, on this thread. You covered it perfectly. Your discernment of the meaning of the words were more than excellent. Your insight of the prophetic aspect of these verses could not have been interpreted any better, by anyone, in my humble opinion. It is a pleasure to occasionally stumble upon someone who actually grasps the deeper vernacular of God's prophetic word and its many multiple applications of revealing insights. Thank you for that in-depth display of God's Holy Word!! One of the best interpretations of scripture, I have ever read!!
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65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place.

Thanks for that input philippines, we are truly living very near the end times..that is amazing that the 65 years are nearly up for that prophecy and what we are seeing going on with Israel and Palestine is lining up for war, exactly as it says in scripture

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The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is.
Jeremiah 6:
22This is what the Lord says:

“Look, an army is coming

from the land of the north
;

a great nation is being stirred up

from the ends of the earth.

23They are armed with bow and spear;

they are cruel and show no mercy.

They sound like the roaring sea

as they ride on their horses;

they come like men in battle formation

to attack you, duaghter of zion.”

24We have heard reports about them,

and our hands hang limp.

Anguish has gripped us,

pain like that of a woman in labor.
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open the eyes of my heart:


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FIRSTBORN MAN ADAM

1.Adam=firstborn of Jesus.
2.Eve is brought forth from Adam by being taken out of Adam.

NATION ISRAEL FIRSTBORN

Exodus 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Adam firstborn son
Israel firstborn son

Eve is separated and brought forth from Adam
Israel separates after king solomon into 2 kingdoms

Northern kingdom made up of 10 tribes called Israel
Southern kingdom made up of 2 tribes called Judah


The records of what happened to Adam are reported died 970 years old.

The records of where Eve went not recorded..never heard about her death or what happened to her.

Israel(Northern 10 tribes) was invaded by the Assyrians and taken into captivity and never heard from again(Just like Eve)

Judah(southern 2 tribes) was invaded by babylonians but 70 years later regrouped and are geographical Israel today(We know what happened to them just like we know what happened to Adam)

Eve represents Northern 10 tribes(Israel)
Adam represent Southern 2 tribes(Judah)

In the end both southern and northern kingdoms are re-united and spiritually become one

Just as the two witnesses become of one spirit and are seated on the left and right of Jesus in the kingdom
Here is the purpose of Adam and Eve:
Gen 1:28:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth


So 5 things Adam and Eve are called to do

1.Fruitful
2.Multiply
3.Replenish Earth
4.Subdue Earth
5.Dominion over every living thing that moves on Earth


We know God does not take back gifts and callings:
Romans 11:29
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance


Eve was brought forth from Adam so that the first 3 could be accomplished(Fruitful, Multiply, Replenish)

Adam and Eve had children so the kingdom of God could come to be.

There is a pattern in the bible. Physical is shown first then the spiritual.

Adam and Eve had physical children, so that they could become spiritual temples of God

Wanna know how the story of the bible end look at the beginning of the book to see the end.

Isaiah 46:10:
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Adam and Eve were male and female in the beginning for the purpose of multiplying and replenishing the Earth.

Adam and Eve in the end are shown as the two witnesses is Revelation and in Zechariah as Joshua and Zerubabbel builders of the spiritual temple, children of God When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior you become the spiritual temple of God. The message of These Adam and Eve type witnesses will bring forth the spiritual children of the 7 year tribulation.

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FIRSTBORN MAN ADAM

1.Adam=firstborn of Jesus.
2.Eve is brought forth from Adam by being taken out of Adam.

NATION ISRAEL FIRSTBORN

Exodus 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Adam firstborn son
Israel firstborn son

Eve is separated and brought forth from Adam
Israel separates after king solomon into 2 kingdoms

Northern kingdom made up of 10 tribes called Israel
Southern kingdom made up of 2 tribes called Judah


The records of what happened to Adam are reported died 970 years old.

The records of where Eve went not recorded..never heard about her death or what happened to her.

Israel(Northern 10 tribes) was invaded by the Assyrians and taken into captivity and never heard from again(Just like Eve)

Judah(southern 2 tribes) was invaded by babylonians but 70 years later regrouped and are geographical Israel today(We know what happened to them just like we know what happened to Adam)

Eve represents Northern 10 tribes(Israel)
Adam represent Southern 2 tribes(Judah)

In the end both southern and northern kingdoms are re-united and spiritually become one

Just as the two witnesses become of one spirit and are seated on the left and right of Jesus in the kingdom
Here is the purpose of Adam and Eve:
Gen 1:28:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth


So 5 things Adam and Eve are called to do

1.Fruitful
2.Multiply
3.Replenish Earth
4.Subdue Earth
5.Dominion over every living thing that moves on Earth


We know God does not take back gifts and callings:
Romans 11:29
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance


Eve was brought forth from Adam so that the first 3 could be accomplished(Fruitful, Multiply, Replenish)

Adam and Eve had children so the kingdom of God could come to be.

There is a pattern in the bible. Physical is shown first then the spiritual.

Adam and Eve had physical children, so that they could become spiritual temples of God

Wanna know how the story of the bible end look at the beginning of the book to see the end.

Isaiah 46:10:
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Adam and Eve were male and female in the beginning for the purpose of multiplying and replenishing the Earth.

Adam and Eve in the end are shown as the two witnesses is Revelation and in Zechariah as Joshua and Zerubabbel builders of the spiritual temple, children of God When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior you become the spiritual temple of God. The message of These Adam and Eve type witnesses will bring forth the spiritual children of the 7 year tribulation.
 Quoting: waterman


So we see from this that Adam and Eve have dominion over everything that moves on earth, that would include their children: (This Adam and Eve are the two witnesses of revelation and zechariah(Joshua and Zerubabbel) the builders of the temple(kingdom)
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the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.
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The dominion here will be parents to children relationship, not "I'm ruler and your follower" relationship, because the people of the world are the children of Adam and Eve and you can see the pattern of Israel splitting apart after king solomons reign just like Adam and Eve split apart, but in the end they become one again.

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what makes you think israel has the grace of god for their spiritual wickedness? If anything its probably israel that will be destroyed, not the palestinans.
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what makes you think israel has the grace of god for their spiritual wickedness? If anything its probably israel that will be destroyed, not the palestinans.
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I go with what the bible says
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Ummm no that's most definitely not the case. The 2 witnesses of the Bible are the old and new testaments... but good try.
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Ummm no that's most definitely not the case. The 2 witnesses of the Bible are the old and new testaments... but good try.
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The first book of the bible started out with 2 Adam and Eve.
The last book of the bible end with 2 Joshuah and Zerubabbel

The old and new testament are not going to be laying in the street for 3 days as the bible declares the 2 witnesses will
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Ummm no that's most definitely not the case. The 2 witnesses of the Bible are the old and new testaments... but good try.
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The first book of the bible started out with 2 Adam and Eve.
The last book of the bible end with 2 Joshuah and Zerubabbel

The old and new testament are not going to be laying in the street for 3 days as the bible declares the 2 witnesses will
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The bible is another example of showing an Adam/Eve, Israel/Judah type shadow. The bible started out as 1(the old testament). Then Jesus came forth and 1 testament became 2 testaments (old testament, new testament) and together the two testament become 1 book to those who can see the truth
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Ummm no that's most definitely not the case. The 2 witnesses of the Bible are the old and new testaments... but good try.
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The first book of the bible started out with 2 Adam and Eve.
The last book of the bible end with 2 Joshuah and Zerubabbel

The old and new testament are not going to be laying in the street for 3 days as the bible declares the 2 witnesses will
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The bible is another example of showing an Adam/Eve, Israel/Judah type shadow. The bible started out as 1(the old testament). Then Jesus came forth and 1 testament became 2 testaments (old testament, new testament) and together the two testament become 1 book to those who can see the truth
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Here are the 'two witnesses' in revelation 11:

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.(the old and new testament have had power longer than that)

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.(Remember these are the two Olive Trees, we will see this again in the book of Zechariah describing Joshua and Zerubabbel)

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.(you can't kill the bible)

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.(the bible isn't going to be laying in the street)

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. (they have bodies)

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.(it is two prophets)

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.(they have feet)

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Now lets look at Zechariah the same description of Olive trees is given:
The story in Haggai and Zechariah is about building the temple after the destruction of Israel. Joshua and Zerubabbel were the leaders of it and the remnant of the people helped them. Look at Zechariah 4:3 And two Olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof(this is showing the end time Adam and Eve(Joshua and Zerubabbel) building the spiritual temple, because the bible shows physical first and spiritual last. Again in Zechariah we see mention of the same two olive trees mentioned as the two witnesses in Revelation 11..here it is in Zechariah4:
11 Then I answered and said to him, “What are these two olive trees—at the right of the lampstand and at its left?” 12 And I further answered and said to him, “What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?”

13 Then he answered me and said, “Do you not know what these are?”

And I said, “No, my lord.”

14 So he said, “These are the two anointed ones
, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth.”
That is the two witnesses that will sit on the left and right of Jesus in the kingdom and have dominion over their children just as promised to Adam and Eve in the beginning.

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"This is the last days and new revelations and hidden secrets will be unveiled."

Great thread, OP.
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The "Golden Gate" was located in the East wall of Jerusalem; it was one of eleven entrance gates into the city. Notice in the above picture that this gate is sealed shut. It was sealed up in the 16th century A.D.(1541 A.D) When Gods servant comes you will know he is the rightful prince of Israel because he will be able to walk through the eastern gate as scripture states!
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I just watched the Jonathan Cahn Harbinger Vid you posted.
The similarities are striking, I'm shocked.
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Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel
Can someone enlighten me please? The 2 witnesses of WHAT?


I'm not fond of the bible, I don't really get all of this.

What did those 2 people witness and what the fuck is the nobody in all of this?

And how do these revelations predict future events in our future?

I just want to know because I'm never been a bibletard
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If you seen the movie the 10 comandment you see Moses and Aaron leading the children of God

At the end there is what is called the 7 year tribulation and again God will raise up 2 people to lead Gods children.

Just as aaron wasn't as great as Moses and Eve wasn't as great as Adam and John was as great as Jesus..the same will be in the end the 2nd witness will be greater than the first

God will have 2 people(two witnesses)
Satan will have 2 people(anti-christ and false prophet)
the people will chose a side and you will have a war of the sons of light and the sons of darkness.

The ones on the sons of light will give the testimony of Jesus Christ and be tortured and beheaded and will appear to be losing

In the end when all go to their final destiny the sons of light go to heaven and the sons of darkness go to hell
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Thanks now I get it!

And what is the role of humanity in all of this?

And does that all mean that Israel will be whipped off the map of the earth? So we'll be free of the zionist regime?
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geographical Israel right now is only 2 of the 12 tribes of Israel. The other 10 tribes were taken into captivity shortly after king solomon reign and never found. Those 10 tribes are in the land of milk and honey(united states) just as God promised the children of Israel. The united states will be destroyed, the 10 tribes go into slavery into other countries for 42 months prior to the 7 year tribulation to tear down all the peoples idols and make this people a holy people again. The true christians that remain faithful during this 42 month period prior to the 7 year tribulation will go in the rapture because it is the end of the age of grace and the 7 year tribualtion is the final week of the book of daniel and a different time period than the age of grace. Then God will raise up the Moses and Aaron type or Elijah and Enoch or Joshua and Zerubabbel or Adam and Eve, they are all foreshadows of the end time two witnesses that lead the children of God in the 7 year tribulation.
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