The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God

The Nobody is actually the Lord of the earth before whom the two witnesses stand, and serve.

He is the rider of the white horse, whom the other horsemen of the apocalypse follow and serve.

There are actually 5 horsemen, and not 4, mentioned in the book of Revelation.

These are:

1. the rider of the white horse (the Lord of the earth having the seal of the living God),
2. the rider of the red horse,
3. the rider of the black horse,
4. the rider of the pale horse named Death,
5. Hades, who closely follows Death

These 5 horsemen are the same 5 angels mentioned in Revelation 7:

If you read Revelation 11 carefully, you will see that God has 2 sets of 2 witnesses, making a total of 4 witnesses.

The first set of 2 witnesses (the 2 olive trees) are God's 2 witnesses for the land of Israel, and whose destinies are described in detail in Revelation 11.

The second set of 2 witnesses (the 2 lampstands) are God's 2 witnesses for the Church.

These 2 sets of two witnesses all stand before the Lord of the earth, who is also the 5th angel coming from the east and holding the seal of the living God.

It sounds like a whisper

American is Israel part 2..Everything you read in Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets..that is our future only the names have been changed to blind the guilty(united states)

Malachi 4:5-6

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse

John the baptist was sent in the spirit of Elijah before the "great" day of the lord and another Elijah will be sent before the "terrible" Day of the Lord.........I would think we should be seeing this Elijah address the nation with a "repent or the Day of the Lord is coming" message just as God has always sent a Jonah, Lot, Noah..etc to warn people before final judgement

The terrible day of the Lord is the destruction of Israel by Gog(russia) and Magog(china). If the war against "Israel" is by russia and china why would russia need chinas help to win a war against tiny Israel, because the Israel this war is against is the lost 10 tribes Israel(the united states) and both china and russia are needed to win the war against the other house of Israel(united States)
There is a hidden Israel people cant see. Psalm 83 speaks of a "hidden people" How is Israel "hidden" if everyone knows exactly where it is located(people can't see the united states being the other Israel)
Psalm 83:
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.

2For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

Notice Israel is below Russia and America is above Russia. Why does the next verse say I will "go up" to attack, because it is america being attacked and being called Israel

Ezekiel 38:11
11 And thou shalt say, I will "go up" to the land of unwalled villages(free to go where you want); I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates(land of the free),

numbers 24:17:
I shall see him(first witness), but not now: I shall behold him(2nd witness), but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob(a star is a sign or a precursor to the main one), and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel(king or ruler), and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

some see the star out of jacob being one person and the sceptre as another......and the others see the star and the sceptre as on and the same....the star coming out of Jacob is "one coming out of Jacob and to me Jacob is the united states

If this prophecy lines up with the others the sceptre is the last day servant once again.

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Can you even imagine what it would have been like to been there to see this Isaiah 61 being read by Jesus claiming to be the Messiah. WOW!....

From Lamb to Ram on Mount Moriah

"As they ascended Mount Moriah, Isaac asked Abraham "where is the lamb" for the sacrifice. Abraham replied that God would provide the lamb, but God didn't provide a lamb, but rather a ram. The ram caught in the thicket on Mount Moriah symbolized to Abraham that his offering had been accepted, because the lamb had become the ram. In his intention to offer his son, Abraham appears to have believed Isaac to be the Seed of the Woman (Gen. 3:15), but Isaac was spared because God would supply his own Lamb who passed from weakness (kenosis) to fullness of power (resurrection).

The sign of the Old Covenant is the blood of lambs and rams, but the lamb is weak compared to the adult ram. The blood of lambs speaks of the kenotic work of Christ, the Lamb of God. Horus was called the Lamb in his weaker (kenotic) existence and he was called the Ram in his glorified strength. Both are associated with the death and resurrection symbolism of the vernal equinox. This sheds light on the story of Abraham's offering of his son. James 2:21 says, "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?" Is this really about the necessity of faith and works? Or is James saying that faith is perfected or redoubled through sacrifice, death and resurrection? This understanding of redoubled strength better fits the context of Abraham's binding of Isaac."

source: [link to jandyongenesis.blogspot.com]

good work waterman

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When judgement comes to the United States, and it will, it will be the war of gog(russia) and magog(china). One of two things are going to happen. Your either going to die or your gonna be carried off captive as a slave in another country just as Israel was when the assyrians came and took them captive. If you can understand that Jesus spoke in parables(stories) to hide the truth from those who didn't seek the truth, then you can see that the history of Isreal in Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets is a parable(story) to show you the united states in the end times. We the untied states are following Israels exact path and it will result in the same result, death and captivity until the people turn back to their God. Also know this while there is a captivity after 42 months God will raise up a deliverer like Moses(this last day servant we are talking about in this thread(, just as the children of Israel in the times of Pharoah waited for a deliverer so again this will happen but God will make a short time of it.

God always raises up a leader Ezekiel tells us there will be a shepherd and it will be this prince of Israel, the last servant of God:
20“‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says to them: See, I myself will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. 21Because you shove with flank and shoulder, butting all the weak sheep with your horns until you have driven them away, 22I will save my flock, and they will no longer be plundered. I will judge between one sheep and another. 23I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd. 24I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the Lord have spoken.

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What did you think of the video? Just a coincidence or can you see the united states is following exactly what happened to physical Isreal back in the times of Isaiah. If you notice when Israel split after the reign of Solomon, the Assyrians came and took the northern kingdom captive and they never return(lost 10 tribes. 135 years later the babylonians took the southern kingdom, Judah and benjamin captive but 70 years later they re-united and formed again which is georaphical Israel today, but those lost 10 tribes are made up mainly of the United States. God will do again what it says in Deuteronomy 4:34 He will take a nation(Israel) out of another nation(united states)
34Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?

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The 2nd witness of revelation is Gods servant that we have been talking about and is the one who will be able to walk through the eastern gate in Jerusalem. Elijah is simply the forerunner to that servant. Just as John the baptist was a forerunner to Jesus. When you see pairs of Gods servants in the bible you always see one greater than the other, Moses and aaron, Elijah and Elisha, Jeremiah and Baurach, Jesus and John..etc

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ok
i will reveal soon the truth on a new post

When the Lamb brings the sheep from his many sheep pens then the eastern door will be opened that he may sit and hear the peoples complaint,then listen to what the lord would have him say to the people..................

Sir we know what the truth is, and who he is. And sir it is not you or your doctrine! You are a seeker of self glory, and you are in danger of self destruction in following that course! Seek to follow than you shall always lead. seek to lead and you shall always follow.

And stop hitting your head thinking United States is Israel. Its a dead end.

This is what they want you to believe.

It goes hand in hand with their fake raptures, fake saviors.

Dont underestimate the Dragon, it wont be that easy to escape the deceptions.

Dont understimate the patience we will have to have either.


Pray for wisdom and understanding and keep searching.

These puzzles are not there for no reason, they are there to filter people. Everything is a test. Once its done, we lose our memories, earth is destroyed, we either go to the new Hell or new Jerusalem.

Okay just suppose Rabbi Jonathan Cahn is Elijah come again,then who is other guy that represents Moses, any Ideas?................

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One of two things would happen:
1. The nation would repent and the other witness would show up.
2 No repentance and Judgement comes, then the two witness come 42 months later.

3 examples of 42 month destruction and captivity of the United States before the 7 year tribulation
2nd kings chapter 1:
Elijah meets with a captain and his 50 men
the first two times Elijah says if I be a man of God may you and your 50 be burned up.
The 3rd time the captain and his 50 do not come forceful to take elijah but ask him..they have a humble attitude..This is showing the 50 men represent 50 states that are burned with fire and after the 3rd time or 42 months they are humble

Daniel 7:5:
Russia coming against the united states
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear(russia), and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs(3 years of captivity) in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

Ezekiel 21:
25And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel(President of the U.S), whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, 26Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown(the power of the presidency): this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low(Last day servant), and abase him that is high(president of U.S). 27I will overturn(1 year captivity), overturn(2nd year captivity), overturn(3rd year captivity), it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him(last day servant).

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Good revelation

from zechariah and what the sons of thunders mother asking if her sons could sit on the left and right of Jesus in His kingdom and Jesus replying that position would be filled by His Father indicating those positions were available, I would think the last two witnesses of revelation and throughout the bible if you know where to look will be the ones to sit on the left and right of Jesus in the kingdom.

About a year and the Day of the Lord is coming, In less than a year we should see a national warning of repentance by Elijah. Wow people the end and your final placement of heaven or hell is almost upon you. Choose a side. Know this if you do survive the Day of the Lord and are taken into captivity, don't fight the enemy. This is the judgement of the Lord and though you go through the furnace of affliction, God will raise up one to teach righteousness and salvation. Just as when the children of Israel were slave in Egypt. God raised up Moses and Aaron, so again he will raise up one to to deliver the people. Seek Jesus Christ while he may be found.

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Symbolism is important when seeking out a mystery. I believe You are seeing that symbolism at its early stage. However, the meaning has no factor in this interpretation. It is like figuring out Adam and Eve are two individuals, but brought forth from one body. Both are correct. Moses and Arron from the same womb, but separate as individuals, both destined in God's same purpose, for a people. So perhaps you are observing an individual who is purposed to be of a double manifestation. Like brothers,(Moses and Arron) spouse, (Adam and Eve) father and son, (God and Jesus). Although each member has a purpose; without their duality that end product induces no effect... No child (Adam & Eve)... no law (Moses & Arron)... no salvation (God the Father & Jesus)...no kingdom come (Two Witnesses), without duality.

very good answer