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The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel

 
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Israel is in two houses right now. 2 tribes make up geographical Israel(physical Israel) and 10 tribes(spiritual Israel) are in the land of milk and honey(united states), where God said He would send he children of Israel. The goal is to get the 10 spiritual tribes to turn their heart back to God, as they have fallen away. The other goal is to get the other 2 tribes to stop being physical tribes and become spiritual tribes like the other 10. To become part of the spiritual tribe you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, repent, and turn from sin. you become a temple of God and as more and more accept this truth the temple of God gets bigger and bigger. They are all still physical people, but they become the spiritual temple of God by accepting Jesus.

2nd corinthians 6:16:
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The beast and the false prophet build the physical temple but the two witnesses build the spiritual temple(tell people about Jesus is building the temple). Those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, repent, and turn from sin are the temple of God

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Thanks wolverine:

People read Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets and see the falling away of Israel and the Gods judgement come to them. Even if they do relate it to modern times. They are under the impression it is for tiny little geographical Israel which is only made of 2 of the original 12 tribes. People think the war of Gog and Magog is going to come to physical geographical Israel, but that war is not for the 2 tribes of geographical Israel it is for spiritual Israel the lost 10 tribes, the ones that are in the land of milk and honey(united states) where God said he would place the children of Israel, Gods hidden Israel: Psalm 83:
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people,
and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
How is Israel hidden if we know where Israel is.....it is hidden because it is spiritual Israel....Bible pattern(physical first spiritual second)

If satan can cut off either house of Israel, the lost 10 tribes(united states) or the 2 tribes that are geographical Israel then the name of Israel will be no more. Ezek 37 shows they are rejoined in the end by Gods last servant
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Next we are dealing with the Daughter of Zion(united states spiritual Israel).....because when God is speaking of geographical Israel it is "son" not daughter:
Exodus 4:22:And you shall say unto Pharaoh, Thus says the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
NOTICE Jeremiah 6:

2I will destroy the Daughter of Zion,
so beautiful and delicate.
3Shepherds with their flocks will come against her;
they will pitch their tents around her,
each tending his own portion.”
4“Prepare for battle against her!
Arise, let us attack at noon!
But, alas, the daylight is fading,
and the shadows of evening grow long.
5So arise, let us attack at night
and destroy her fortresses!”

and it goes on again about the daughter and the enemy coming from the north:
22This is what the Lord says:
“Look, an army is coming
from the land of the north;

a great nation is being stirred up
from the ends of the earth.
23They are armed with bow and spear;
they are cruel and show no mercy.
They sound like the roaring sea
as they ride on their horses;
they come like men in battle formation
to attack you, daughter of zion.”

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Thanks wolverine:

People read Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets and see the falling away of Israel and the Gods judgement come to them. Even if they do relate it to modern times. They are under the impression it is for tiny little geographical Israel which is only made of 2 of the original 12 tribes. People think the war of Gog and Magog is going to come to physical geographical Israel, but that war is not for the 2 tribes of geographical Israel it is for spiritual Israel the lost 10 tribes, the ones that are in the land of milk and honey(united states) where God said he would place the children of Israel, Gods hidden Israel: Psalm 83:
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people,
and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
How is Israel hidden if we know where Israel is.....it is hidden because it is spiritual Israel....Bible pattern(physical first spiritual second)

If satan can cut off either house of Israel, the lost 10 tribes(united states) or the 2 tribes that are geographical Israel then the name of Israel will be no more. Ezek 37 shows they are rejoined in the end by Gods last servant
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Next we are dealing the the Daughter of Zion(united states spiritual Israel).....because when God is speaking of geographical Israel it is "son" not daughter:
Exodus 4:22:And you shall say unto Pharaoh, Thus says the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
NOTICE Jeremiah 6:

2I will destroy the Daughter of Zion,
so beautiful and delicate.
3Shepherds with their flocks will come against her;
they will pitch their tents around her,
each tending his own portion.”
4“Prepare for battle against her!
Arise, let us attack at noon!
But, alas, the daylight is fading,
and the shadows of evening grow long.
5So arise, let us attack at night
and destroy her fortresses!”

and it goes on again about the daughter and the enemy coming from the north:
22This is what the Lord says:
“Look, an army is coming
from the land of the north;

a great nation is being stirred up
from the ends of the earth.
23They are armed with bow and spear;
they are cruel and show no mercy.
They sound like the roaring sea
as they ride on their horses;
they come like men in battle formation
to attack you, daughter of zion.”
 Quoting: waterman


So we see the enemy comes from the north and attacks the daughter of zion(united states) and not the son(geographical Israel firstborn son)..lets look at ezek 38:
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go "up"(you dont go up to attack an enemy coming from the north unless you are going up over canada and coming down to the united states) to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely(united states)..(Israel is at war all the time), all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates(free society united states),

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Thanks wolverine:

People read Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets and see the falling away of Israel and the Gods judgement come to them. Even if they do relate it to modern times. They are under the impression it is for tiny little geographical Israel which is only made of 2 of the original 12 tribes. People think the war of Gog and Magog is going to come to physical geographical Israel, but that war is not for the 2 tribes of geographical Israel it is for spiritual Israel the lost 10 tribes, the ones that are in the land of milk and honey(united states) where God said he would place the children of Israel, Gods hidden Israel: Psalm 83:
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people,
and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
How is Israel hidden if we know where Israel is.....it is hidden because it is spiritual Israel....Bible pattern(physical first spiritual second)

If satan can cut off either house of Israel, the lost 10 tribes(united states) or the 2 tribes that are geographical Israel then the name of Israel will be no more. Ezek 37 shows they are rejoined in the end by Gods last servant
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Careful in using psalms as prophecy! Also know this, Gog is a person or people and Magog is land. The bible describes armies coming against Israel with TURKEY being one of them among others. Turkey was just mentioned as making a very threatening remark towards Israel in the last 24 hrs mentioned in a key post recently in these forums near the top!!

Go to this link and read please!!

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Are you kidding. Most of the psalms are prophetic in one form or another! Gog stands for a form of leadership or fellowship, through any individual or groups that is adverse toward the ways of God and His righteous stance.
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There is a prophecy from Isaiah 7 which I will like to discuss in this thread, because I believe this event will be a sign that the time of Jacob's trouble is about to start.

1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to make war against it, but could not prevail against it. 2 And it was told to the house of David, saying, “Syria’s forces are deployed in Ephraim.” So his heart and the heart of his people were moved as the trees of the woods are moved with the wind.

3 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and Shear-Jashub your son, at the end of the aqueduct from the upper pool, on the highway to the Fuller’s Field, 4 and say to him: ‘Take heed, and be quiet; do not fear or be fainthearted for these two stubs of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah have plotted evil against you, saying, 6 “Let us go up against Judah and trouble it, and let us make a gap in its wall for ourselves, and set a king over them, the son of Tabel”—

7 thus says the Lord God:
“It shall not stand,
Nor shall it come to pass.
8 For the head of Syria is Damascus,
And the head of Damascus is Rezin.
Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be broken,
So that it will not be a people.
9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria,

And the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son.
If you will not believe,
Surely you shall not be established.”’”

17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.”
 Quoting: Isaiah 7


This prophecy will take place when Syria will join forces with Samaria to fight against Judah.

Now who are the modern day Samaritans/Samaria who will ally themselves with Syria to fight Judah?

The modern day Samaritans are the Palestinians!

Much of the local Palestinian population of Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam. According to the historian Fayyad Altif, large numbers of Samaritans converted due to persecution under various Muslim rulers, and because the monotheistic nature of Islam made it easy for them to accept it. The Samaritans themselves describe the Ottoman period as the worst period in their modern history, as many Samaritan families were forced to convert their religion to Islam during that time. Even today, certain Nabulsi family names such as Muslimani, Yaish, Sayeh, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


Isaiah tells us that Israel will win the coming war against Syria and the Palestinians. The Palestinian population will be so reduced, that it will no longer be considered a "people".

I actually believe that Israel will preserve alive only the Samaritan Palestinians and do away with the majority Arab Palestinians.

Isaiah says that this war will take place within 65 years since the Samaritans (or Ephraim) departed from Judah (or Israel).

This separation between the Palestinians and the people of Israel took place on May 14, 1948 when the state of Israel was established, and the Palestinians refused to establish their own state alongside Israel.

65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place.

Thread: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire

However after this, "The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon Judah — days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah", which is the time of Jacob's trouble.
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There is nothing more that needs to be discussed about this topic, on this thread. You covered it perfectly. Your discernment of the meaning of the words were more than excellent. Your insight of the prophetic aspect of these verses could not have been interpreted any better, by anyone, in my humble opinion. It is a pleasure to occasionally stumble upon someone who actually grasps the deeper vernacular of God's prophetic word and its many multiple applications of revealing insights. Thank you for that in-depth display of God's Holy Word!! One of the best interpretations of scripture, I have ever read!!
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65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place.

Thanks for that input philippines, we are truly living very near the end times..that is amazing that the 65 years are nearly up for that prophecy and what we are seeing going on with Israel and Palestine is lining up for war, exactly as it says in scripture
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YES! YES! YES!! This is what I have been trying to tell people all over in other threads everywhere, thank you for this entire thread and this post!!

Excellent POST!!!

THE PROPHET EZEKIEL!!!!!!

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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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I Loved this message in this video! Something to pay attention too!

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I BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY MESSAGES!! THIS MIGHT BE EXTREMELY INTERESTING! ALSO NOTE THAT IN BOTH THESE VIDEOS THERE IS MATH INVOLVED! THE ODDS OF THE MATH INVOLVED ARE BEYOND HUMAN COMPREHENSION. MATH IS A GREAT MEDIUM WE CAN ALL USE, WE KNOW MATH DOES NOT LIE!

THIS COULD BE ANOTHER WAY OF GOD SENDING US A MESSAGE!
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

"You must submit to supreme suffering in order to discover the completion of joy."
- John "Calvin" Rambo
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From my other post but it related to this thread:

Dear Waterman,

The entire Bible is written about Jesus, if you will keep this in mind......first find Jesus in the passage of scripture your reading....then backtrack and the rest of the entities in the story will come into full view!

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Agreed the whole bible is about Jesus! Jesus being the first begotten of God:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell” (Collosians 1:15-19)

WOW look at the importance of the firstborn of every creature......the WHOLE BIBLE is written about Him. God is very proud of that.......Wouldn't the be strange if Jesus was proud of his first begotten which is Adam and wrote him in the shadow of Himself into the whole Bible and nobody saw it til the end. What if Jesus said "everything is mine" and I'm giving it to you, because your my firstborn!..kinda reminds ya of a charlie and chocolate factory ending doesn't it. It's all mine charlie but I'm giving it all to you!



THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS
THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT ADAM(JESUS' FIRSTBORN)


Again Jesus is "The" Lamb of God and the beginning of Rev 14 is showing "A" Lamb of God standing with the 144,000. Why 144,000 BECAUSE THIS LAST SERVANT ADAM IS A COPY OF HIS FATHER JESUS HE COMES IN THE BEGINNING AND THE END, AND HE IS STANDING WITH THE 144,000 BECAUSE HE IS THE SERVANT IN EZEKIEL 37 THE"DAVID" THAT BRING BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL(10 LOST TRIBES AND THE 2 TRIBES OF GEOGRAPHICAL ISRAEL JUDAH AND BENJAMIN TOGETHER AS ONE AND TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS CHRIST HIS FATHER IS THE WAY OF SALVATION(144,000 ISN'T ONLY 144,000 PEOPLE IT IS SHOWING ALL OF ISRAEL IS SAVED ALL THE TRIBES ARE RESTORED)



WOW! if your claiming "the one like the Son of man" sitting on the cloud reaping the harvest is Jesus you are really DEMOTING the authority of Jesus to have to be told when to harvest the earth and it clearly shows only a single gold crown on the 'one like the Son of man' while rev 19 clearly describes Jesus with many crowns and not a single angel around to tell Jesus to do anything


BREAK DOWN ISAIAH 42 THE SERVANT OF GOD AND TELL ME ITS JESUS AND NOT ADAM(HINT VERSE 5 SHOWS YOU WHO IS SPEAKING THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE PEOPLE(JESUS)

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for "a" light(Jesus is "the light" but this servant is "a" light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Praise for the LORD's Mighty Deliverance

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies. 14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. [5] These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. 17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.


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Waterman, I posted Revelation 14 today did you see it?
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Waterman, I posted Revelation 14 today did you see it?
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yes...did you break down Isaiah 42 yet?
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Waterman, I posted Revelation 14 today did you see it?
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yes...did you break down Isaiah 42 yet?
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Waterman, why did you not keep Revelation 14 up for others to see?
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OK sorry, I don't see it ..........


Waterman, I can send you volumes of these studies if we can somehow e mail each other....How is that done on godlike
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IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD (JESUS) AND THE WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD (JESUS) WAS GOD

Bro. Waterman, you can figure this one easily!

Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:
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IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD (JESUS) AND THE WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD (JESUS) WAS GOD

Bro. Waterman, you can figure this one easily!

Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:
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very very very very good....so we have established Jesus created everything correct?
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IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD (JESUS) AND THE WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD (JESUS) WAS GOD

Bro. Waterman, you can figure this one easily!

Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


very very very very good....so we have established Jesus created everything correct?
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If Jesus is speaking in verse 5. Who is he speaking to in verse 1....the last day servant Adam, Jesus' firstborn that is throughout the whole bible and nobody sees him. JESUS is not speaking to himself he is speaking to his servant!

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

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IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD (JESUS) AND THE WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD (JESUS) WAS GOD

Bro. Waterman, you can figure this one easily!

Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


very very very very good....so we have established Jesus created everything correct?
 Quoting: waterman


If Jesus is speaking in verse 5. Who is he speaking to in verse 1....the last day servant Adam, Jesus' firstborn that is throughout the whole bible and nobody sees him. JESUS is not speaking to himself he is speaking to his servant!

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
 Quoting: waterman


Doesn't that tell you something when you can't answer this?

Jesus is my redemption but this servant will bring the two houses of Israel together and is Jesus' first born adam

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very very very very good....so we have established Jesus created everything correct?
 Quoting: waterman


If Jesus is speaking in verse 5. Who is he speaking to in verse 1....the last day servant Adam, Jesus' firstborn that is throughout the whole bible and nobody sees him. JESUS is not speaking to himself he is speaking to his servant!

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
 Quoting: waterman


Doesn't that tell you something when you can't answer this?

Jesus is my redemption but this servant will bring the two houses of Israel together and is Jesus' first born adam, Jesus' firstborn
 Quoting: waterman



The Two Houses Of Israel are MANKIND AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Who is Jesus talking to in verse 1?
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“Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, (Jesus)
My Elect One in whom My soul delights! (Jesus)
I have put My Spirit upon Him; (Jesus)
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. (Jesus)
2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice,
Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. (Jesus never forces Himself on a man, He is a Gentle man and waits for us to come to Him)
3 A bruised reed He will not break, (Humans are all bruised)
And smoking flax He will not quench; (A hungry soul He will never turn away)
He will bring forth justice for truth. (Jesus)
4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, (Jesus)
Till He has established justice in the earth; (CALVARY)
And the coastlands shall wait for His law.” (Coastlands are all land bordering the seas. = ALL THE EARTH!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Friend you left out the most important verse, verse 5 which shows you who is speaking Jesus the creator of everything:

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein
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“Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, (Jesus)
My Elect One in whom My soul delights! (Jesus)
I have put My Spirit upon Him; (Jesus)
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. (Jesus)
2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice,
Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. (Jesus never forces Himself on a man, He is a Gentle man and waits for us to come to Him)
3 A bruised reed He will not break, (Humans are all bruised)
And smoking flax He will not quench; (A hungry soul He will never turn away)
He will bring forth justice for truth. (Jesus)
4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, (Jesus)
Till He has established justice in the earth; (CALVARY)
And the coastlands shall wait for His law.” (Coastlands are all land bordering the seas. = ALL THE EARTH!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Friend you left out the most important verse, verse 5 which shows you who is speaking Jesus the creator of everything:

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein
 Quoting: waterman


OK Waterman,

can we exchange email so you can read volumes of Books of the Bible already translated. Once you train your cranium to remember it is all about JESUS you will never be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of Jesus Christ!
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“Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, (Jesus)
My Elect One in whom My soul delights! (Jesus)
I have put My Spirit upon Him; (Jesus)
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. (Jesus)
2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice,
Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. (Jesus never forces Himself on a man, He is a Gentle man and waits for us to come to Him)
3 A bruised reed He will not break, (Humans are all bruised)
And smoking flax He will not quench; (A hungry soul He will never turn away)
He will bring forth justice for truth. (Jesus)
4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, (Jesus)
Till He has established justice in the earth; (CALVARY)
And the coastlands shall wait for His law.” (Coastlands are all land bordering the seas. = ALL THE EARTH!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Friend you left out the most important verse, verse 5 which shows you who is speaking Jesus the creator of everything:

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein
 Quoting: waterman


OK Waterman,

can we exchange email so you can read volumes of Books of the Bible already translated. Once you train your cranium to remember it is all about JESUS you will never be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of Jesus Christ!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Your interpretation makes no sense Jesus is talking in verse 5 to his servant is verse 1..you are saying he is talking to himself and holding is own hand
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very very very very good....so we have established Jesus created everything correct?
 Quoting: waterman


If Jesus is speaking in verse 5. Who is he speaking to in verse 1....the last day servant Adam, Jesus' firstborn that is throughout the whole bible and nobody sees him. JESUS is not speaking to himself he is speaking to his servant!

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
 Quoting: waterman


Doesn't that tell you something when you can't answer this?

Jesus is my redemption but this servant will bring the two houses of Israel together and is Jesus' first born adam, Jesus' firstborn
 Quoting: waterman



The Two Houses Of Israel are MANKIND AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


We know all of Israel will be saved, so Israel is not mankind and the kingdom of heaven because if all of Israel is saved that would mean "all mankind" would be saved and we know not all of mankind is saved many are going to hell.
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From my other post but it related to this thread:

Dear Waterman,

The entire Bible is written about Jesus, if you will keep this in mind......first find Jesus in the passage of scripture your reading....then backtrack and the rest of the entities in the story will come into full view!

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Agreed the whole bible is about Jesus! Jesus being the first begotten of God:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell” (Collosians 1:15-19)

WOW look at the importance of the firstborn of every creature......the WHOLE BIBLE is written about Him. God is very proud of that.......Wouldn't the be strange if Jesus was proud of his first begotten which is Adam and wrote him in the shadow of Himself into the whole Bible and nobody saw it til the end. What if Jesus said "everything is mine" and I'm giving it to you, because your my firstborn!..kinda reminds ya of a charlie and chocolate factory ending doesn't it. It's all mine charlie but I'm giving it all to you!
 Quoting: waterman



THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS
THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT ADAM(JESUS' FIRSTBORN)


Again Jesus is "The" Lamb of God and the beginning of Rev 14 is showing "A" Lamb of God standing with the 144,000. Why 144,000 BECAUSE THIS LAST SERVANT ADAM IS A COPY OF HIS FATHER JESUS HE COMES IN THE BEGINNING AND THE END, AND HE IS STANDING WITH THE 144,000 BECAUSE HE IS THE SERVANT IN EZEKIEL 37 THE"DAVID" THAT BRING BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL(10 LOST TRIBES AND THE 2 TRIBES OF GEOGRAPHICAL ISRAEL JUDAH AND BENJAMIN TOGETHER AS ONE AND TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS CHRIST HIS FATHER IS THE WAY OF SALVATION(144,000 ISN'T ONLY 144,000 PEOPLE IT IS SHOWING ALL OF ISRAEL IS SAVED ALL THE TRIBES ARE RESTORED)



WOW! if your claiming "the one like the Son of man" sitting on the cloud reaping the harvest is Jesus you are really DEMOTING the authority of Jesus to have to be told when to harvest the earth and it clearly shows only a single gold crown on the 'one like the Son of man' while rev 19 clearly describes Jesus with many crowns and not a single angel around to tell Jesus to do anything


BREAK DOWN ISAIAH 42 THE SERVANT OF GOD AND TELL ME ITS JESUS AND NOT ADAM(HINT VERSE 5 SHOWS YOU WHO IS SPEAKING THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE PEOPLE(JESUS)

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for "a" light(Jesus is "the light" but this servant is "a" light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Praise for the LORD's Mighty Deliverance

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies. 14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. [5] These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. 17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.



COLOSSIANS 1:15-20

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. (Jesus) And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.


For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
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very good at least you took something from this discussion
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Doesn't that tell you something when you can't answer this?

Jesus is my redemption but this servant will bring the two houses of Israel together and is Jesus' first born adam, Jesus' firstborn
 Quoting: waterman



The Two Houses Of Israel are MANKIND AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


We know all of Israel will be saved, so Israel is not mankind and the kingdom of heaven because if all of Israel is saved that would mean "all mankind" would be saved and we know not all of mankind is saved many are going to hell.
 Quoting: waterman


If God allows every human being who has ever lived on earth to enter Heaven what is that to us humans?

Waterman, do you understand that once THE BLOOD fell onto earth.... The earth and it's inhabitants were all cleansed for all eternity.

I do not understand how He has cleansed "me" I deserve to perish, this old man has lived a rough life on earth. If He can save me then He can save anyone! Thats how I see Salvation and the powerful Blood of Christ!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758

WOW NOW EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HEAVEN, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL IF THAT WERE THE CASE!
NO not everybody is cleansed only those who accept what Jesus did, millions won't accept that and will be in hell.
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Doesn't that tell you something when you can't answer this?

Jesus is my redemption but this servant will bring the two houses of Israel together and is Jesus' first born adam, Jesus' firstborn
 Quoting: waterman



The Two Houses Of Israel are MANKIND AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


We know all of Israel will be saved, so Israel is not mankind and the kingdom of heaven because if all of Israel is saved that would mean "all mankind" would be saved and we know not all of mankind is saved many are going to hell.
 Quoting: waterman


If God allows every human being who has ever lived on earth to enter Heaven what is that to us humans?

Waterman, do you understand that once THE BLOOD fell onto earth.... The earth and it's inhabitants were all cleansed for all eternity.

I do not understand how He has cleansed "me" I deserve to perish, this old man has lived a rough life on earth. If He can save me then He can save anyone! Thats how I see Salvation and the powerful Blood of Christ!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758
You are excluding God's own command..that without faith no man can receive the hope of salvation. The Blood of Jesus does not automatically secure salvation, but the belief in the actions of that shed blood. Not every soul is going to accept through faith the power of God's salvation through the shed Blood of our Savior. For by grace are you saved through faith (Eph.2:8). Most are not going to simply put their trust in the actions that Jesus secured their salvation 2,000 years ago. Most of humanity will awaken in hell at the end of their lives, simply b/c they didn't trust in that same blood offering that you did.
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Revelation 14:3-4
And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

I know I won't be of the 144,000 for I have defiled with women. :(
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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Revelation 14:3-4
And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

I know I won't be of the 144,000 for I have defiled with women. :(
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If you are in Christ and have received Him as your Lord and savior. You can be assured that all past sins are forgiven and that you are not defiled in any way in the eyes of Jesus, the Father, or the Holy Spirit. You are a candidate to be one of those 144,000 chosen as anyone else in Christ. Just ask Him, He will show you how, and if you are obedient to His request you will be of that calling. These passages in Rev.14 are of a spiritual quest to fulfill a physical purpose. You have not, because you ask not, but ask to glorify Him, not to seek a position of status.
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Isn't a woman a church? ^^^.
Is Tesla among them, or Simon Perter?
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Revelation 14:3-4
And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

I know I won't be of the 144,000 for I have defiled with women. :(
 Quoting: Wolverine
If you are in Christ and have received Him as your Lord and savior. You can be assured that all past sins are forgiven and that you are not defiled in any way in the eyes of Jesus, the Father, or the Holy Spirit. You are a candidate to be one of those 144,000 chosen as anyone else in Christ. Just ask Him, He will show you how, and if you are obedient to His request you will be of that calling. These passages in Rev.14 are of a spiritual quest to fulfill a physical purpose. You have not, because you ask not, but ask to glorify Him, not to seek a position of status.
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