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| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/14/2012 12:21 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God I try to show 2 things in this thread: Quoting: waterman 1. The destruction of Israel in Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the prophets is a rehearsal for the United States. The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and the spiritual second. We saw physical Israel in those books. The same thing is happening to the United States, first Israel turned from God. Then took God out of the land, just as the U.S has. The physical Israel saw the wrath of God come and were taken away into slavery when the enemy came and Israel had no God to protect them. It doesn't matter how powerful your country is, if God is against you then you will lose. If physical Israel was taken into captivity do you not think spiritual Israel(United States) will be taken into captivity also? The 2nd thing I try to show is that God raises up a deliverer, just as God always does when calamity comes. This servant will be Gods greatest of all servants and will claim to be the first begotten of Jesus. If you read through the thread you will see this last day servant builds the temple of God, and again God already had a physical temple 2 times and they were destroyed, this temple the last day servant is building is a spiritual temple that can't be destroyed....please read through the thread and if you like it......share it on facebook by clicking on the link in the right hand corner of the first page, also share it on twitter by doing the same thing in the twitter link.....thank you Hmm taken away into slavery or held captive in slavery? I think the USA may be heading down the road into the second. The second group taken into slavery will be after this nation is attacked by many nuclear weapons by a great nation. This will be within a year period from now, thus the end of the fema camps. The second group taken away in slavery is God's wrath against a rebellious people, and all idols will be burned away from the land. This second group will be purposed to suffer in captivity for two full years,(2yrs. 9mos)two full years. This captivity will be in other nations, but their full servitude must be forty and two months, even as waterman has testified also. They (Jacob)(U.S.A.) even runs to their brother nation, (Canada), to escape the enemy, but their brother will not hide them or welcome them into their border,(Obad.6-15). Do not be mislead by names of regions, for they are germane only through discernment. God's purpose for this group is to bring forth a holy people, void of all idols, repentant of all sins, seeking God in all mercy. A nation torn and a people crying out in their captivity will both be heard by a merciful God, and He shall show His favor once again to a people and a nation forgotten by all, but only after the full second year. These are the times of Jacob's trouble (42 mos.), many will be saved and many will not. Those who seek to save their lives shall be lost! Hiding in other countries, storing up in hidden lands will not allow you to escape the wrath of God. Those who trust in God will be shown the path of eternal life! After that time, the Tribulation period commences! Pray you have escaped in God's grace by then. This is why many think the rapture comes after the tribulation times. Others say no, but before those 7 years. Both are correct. What they failed to see is the time of Jacob's trouble is also part of a tribulation period for the church, this nation, this world. For the destruction of the United States is going to lead the World into starvation, death, wars, and the Anti- Christ. First though God must come forth to receive a bride, holy, spotless, wrinkled free. Only heat takes away wrinkles, only hot water takes away spots. So after these troubles, then the rapture, but first great sorrow will come and hundreds of millions must perish, most will be the people of this nation to start. However, all those who are trusting in the rapture to save them, are lost already. Jesus Christ alone is your salvation. Trusting anything outside of Him, will not allow you an easy escapism to the good, pleasant, comfortable eternity you so much desire! God knows the heart, trusting in a happening (rapture) is not the salvation Christ paid so dearly for. Jesus wants you to trust in Him. He can get you home safely. Those who will trust in the rapture are deceived within their own heart. The heart is evil, and desperately wicked, above all things, who can know it. Rejoice in the thought of the rapture, but put no trust in a happening. This is a form of Idol worship and God is not in this! No image, no sign, no play on words can deceive His sheep. His sheep hears His voice, and they alone cannot be deceived. If you can not trust in Christ first, and live for Him now. How shall you stand in the days of evil, hate, murder, rape and starvation. How will you love your enemy, and if not, how will you please Christ? Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
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| RaXz User ID: 2557891 11/14/2012 01:05 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God I've always have seen spiritual Israel as a more global thing, not dependent on territory, the borders of countries can be viewed as cracks in the world, laying claim to land they don't really own, but sure acting like it's the case. Quoting: RaXz I agree spiritual Israel is global, but for the majority of the ones that make up spiritual Israel they are going to be in the land of milk and honey just as God promised would happen. Just because we have a country called Germany doesn't mean only people living in that country are Germans but it does mean the vast majority live there..the same is with the United States, at one time they were made up of a christian nation. Now they are a mixture of everything and they have kicked God out of the country, so God won't just give up on his children, but he will allow the enemy to come and a furnace of affliction will come and the people will go into captivity until they turn back to God, just as it always happens when the people turn from God. Ah, I get what you mean, yes the US is quite the catalyst, some sort of a modern Roman empire that enforces throughout the world, a war powerhouse, the global war on cannabis hails from the US as well. I believe that small subtle changes in the US can go a long way around the world. And this is without considering the unconditional enslavement to psychical Israel that is losing credibility fast whereas at first they could do everything, like blowing up the USS Liberty just to name an example. The utter political boredom in a nation that is quickly sold out will motivate more people to seek out alternatives outside of government, as people seem to lose faith in that very fast, especially with all those stories of high placed pedophilia that's coming to light. There aren't much Christian nations anymore, they usually turned to Judeo-Christian society where people have to abide to the rules of the Jewish Authorities, give unconditional support to their plans as otherwise the anti-Semitic guilt card will be played, something that's losing power as well. “To a man utterly without a sense of belonging, mere life is all that matters. It is the only reality in an eternity of nothingness, and he clings to it with shameless despair.” -Eric Hoffer “The question of the stranger in a society which estranges everybody from it--while forcing everybody to assimilate their own alienation--takes cover under dubious and sinister masks.” -Norman Manea "Every heart sings a song, incomplete, until another heart whispers back. Those who wish to sing always find a song. At the touch of a lover, everyone becomes a poet." -Plato |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/14/2012 03:25 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God America(EVE) of destruction Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27754554 11/14/2012 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God There is a prophecy from Isaiah 7 which I will like to discuss in this thread, because I believe this event will be a sign that the time of Jacob's trouble is about to start. 1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to make war against it, but could not prevail against it. 2 And it was told to the house of David, saying, “Syria’s forces are deployed in Ephraim.” So his heart and the heart of his people were moved as the trees of the woods are moved with the wind. Quoting: Isaiah 73 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and Shear-Jashub your son, at the end of the aqueduct from the upper pool, on the highway to the Fuller’s Field, 4 and say to him: ‘Take heed, and be quiet; do not fear or be fainthearted for these two stubs of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah have plotted evil against you, saying, 6 “Let us go up against Judah and trouble it, and let us make a gap in its wall for ourselves, and set a king over them, the son of Tabel”— 7 thus says the Lord God: “It shall not stand, Nor shall it come to pass. 8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, And the head of Damascus is Rezin. Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be broken, So that it will not be a people. 9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria, And the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If you will not believe, Surely you shall not be established.”’” 17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.” This prophecy will take place when Syria will join forces with Samaria to fight against Judah. Now who are the modern day Samaritans/Samaria who will ally themselves with Syria to fight Judah? The modern day Samaritans are the Palestinians! Much of the local Palestinian population of Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam. According to the historian Fayyad Altif, large numbers of Samaritans converted due to persecution under various Muslim rulers, and because the monotheistic nature of Islam made it easy for them to accept it. The Samaritans themselves describe the Ottoman period as the worst period in their modern history, as many Samaritan families were forced to convert their religion to Islam during that time. Even today, certain Nabulsi family names such as Muslimani, Yaish, Sayeh, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry. Quoting: wikipedia[link to en.wikipedia.org] Isaiah tells us that Israel will win the coming war against Syria and the Palestinians. The Palestinian population will be so reduced, that it will no longer be considered a "people". I actually believe that Israel will preserve alive only the Samaritan Palestinians and do away with the majority Arab Palestinians. Isaiah says that this war will take place within 65 years since the Samaritans (or Ephraim) departed from Judah (or Israel). This separation between the Palestinians and the people of Israel took place on May 14, 1948 when the state of Israel was established, and the Palestinians refused to establish their own state alongside Israel. 65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place. Thread: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire However after this, "The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon Judah — days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah", which is the time of Jacob's trouble. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27754554 11/14/2012 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God The coming time of Jacob's trouble will be much worse for Israel than what happened 65 years ago on May 14, 1948 when Israel and the Palestinians separated ways. Within hours of the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, five of the seven countries of the Arab League at that time, namely Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, backed by Saudi Arabian and Yemenite contingents invaded territory in the former British Mandate of Palestine on the night of 14–15 May 1948. Quoting: wikipediaThe forces of Syria and Egypt launched attacks outside of the proposed Arab section of the Partition Plan. Jordan invaded the proposed "Corpus Separatum", which had yet to be instituted, including the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem. The Arab plans called for Syrian and Lebanese forces to invade from north while Jordanian and Iraqi forces were to invade from east. The Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Iraqi forces to link up in Galilee and then turn towards Haifa. In the south, the Egyptians were to advance and take Tel Aviv. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22728347 11/14/2012 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God There is a prophecy from Isaiah 7 which I will like to discuss in this thread, because I believe this event will be a sign that the time of Jacob's trouble is about to start. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27754554 1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to make war against it, but could not prevail against it. 2 And it was told to the house of David, saying, “Syria’s forces are deployed in Ephraim.” So his heart and the heart of his people were moved as the trees of the woods are moved with the wind. Quoting: Isaiah 73 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and Shear-Jashub your son, at the end of the aqueduct from the upper pool, on the highway to the Fuller’s Field, 4 and say to him: ‘Take heed, and be quiet; do not fear or be fainthearted for these two stubs of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah have plotted evil against you, saying, 6 “Let us go up against Judah and trouble it, and let us make a gap in its wall for ourselves, and set a king over them, the son of Tabel”— 7 thus says the Lord God: “It shall not stand, Nor shall it come to pass. 8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, And the head of Damascus is Rezin. Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be broken, So that it will not be a people. 9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria, And the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If you will not believe, Surely you shall not be established.”’” 17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.” This prophecy will take place when Syria will join forces with Samaria to fight against Judah. Now who are the modern day Samaritans/Samaria who will ally themselves with Syria to fight Judah? The modern day Samaritans are the Palestinians! Much of the local Palestinian population of Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam. According to the historian Fayyad Altif, large numbers of Samaritans converted due to persecution under various Muslim rulers, and because the monotheistic nature of Islam made it easy for them to accept it. The Samaritans themselves describe the Ottoman period as the worst period in their modern history, as many Samaritan families were forced to convert their religion to Islam during that time. Even today, certain Nabulsi family names such as Muslimani, Yaish, Sayeh, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry. Quoting: wikipedia[link to en.wikipedia.org] Isaiah tells us that Israel will win the coming war against Syria and the Palestinians. The Palestinian population will be so reduced, that it will no longer be considered a "people". I actually believe that Israel will preserve alive only the Samaritan Palestinians and do away with the majority Arab Palestinians. Isaiah says that this war will take place within 65 years since the Samaritans (or Ephraim) departed from Judah (or Israel). This separation between the Palestinians and the people of Israel took place on May 14, 1948 when the state of Israel was established, and the Palestinians refused to establish their own state alongside Israel. 65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place. Thread: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire However after this, "The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon Judah — days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah", which is the time of Jacob's trouble. |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/14/2012 09:14 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God There is a prophecy from Isaiah 7 which I will like to discuss in this thread, because I believe this event will be a sign that the time of Jacob's trouble is about to start. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27754554 1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to make war against it, but could not prevail against it. 2 And it was told to the house of David, saying, “Syria’s forces are deployed in Ephraim.” So his heart and the heart of his people were moved as the trees of the woods are moved with the wind. Quoting: Isaiah 73 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and Shear-Jashub your son, at the end of the aqueduct from the upper pool, on the highway to the Fuller’s Field, 4 and say to him: ‘Take heed, and be quiet; do not fear or be fainthearted for these two stubs of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah have plotted evil against you, saying, 6 “Let us go up against Judah and trouble it, and let us make a gap in its wall for ourselves, and set a king over them, the son of Tabel”— 7 thus says the Lord God: “It shall not stand, Nor shall it come to pass. 8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, And the head of Damascus is Rezin. Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be broken, So that it will not be a people. 9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria, And the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If you will not believe, Surely you shall not be established.”’” 17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.” This prophecy will take place when Syria will join forces with Samaria to fight against Judah. Now who are the modern day Samaritans/Samaria who will ally themselves with Syria to fight Judah? The modern day Samaritans are the Palestinians! Much of the local Palestinian population of Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam. According to the historian Fayyad Altif, large numbers of Samaritans converted due to persecution under various Muslim rulers, and because the monotheistic nature of Islam made it easy for them to accept it. The Samaritans themselves describe the Ottoman period as the worst period in their modern history, as many Samaritan families were forced to convert their religion to Islam during that time. Even today, certain Nabulsi family names such as Muslimani, Yaish, Sayeh, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry. Quoting: wikipedia[link to en.wikipedia.org] Isaiah tells us that Israel will win the coming war against Syria and the Palestinians. The Palestinian population will be so reduced, that it will no longer be considered a "people". I actually believe that Israel will preserve alive only the Samaritan Palestinians and do away with the majority Arab Palestinians. Isaiah says that this war will take place within 65 years since the Samaritans (or Ephraim) departed from Judah (or Israel). This separation between the Palestinians and the people of Israel took place on May 14, 1948 when the state of Israel was established, and the Palestinians refused to establish their own state alongside Israel. 65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place. Thread: "Pillar of Defense (Cloud)" - Israel & Hamas Agree to Gaza Cease Fire However after this, "The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon Judah — days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah", which is the time of Jacob's trouble. 65 years after 1948 is May 14, 2013. This means that before May 14, 2013, this deadly war between Israel and the Palestinians will take place. Thanks for that input philippines, we are truly living very near the end times..that is amazing that the 65 years are nearly up for that prophecy and what we are seeing going on with Israel and Palestine is lining up for war, exactly as it says in scripture Last Edited by waterman on 11/14/2012 09:22 PM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/14/2012 09:42 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God God has a last day servant and it is the 2nd witness of revelation the other witness is Elijah and the 2nd is always greater than the first (John and Jesus) Elijah and the last day servant..you can see the last day servant in revelation 14 reaping the harvest: Jesus is Revelation 19 being He has many crowns and is called the "Word of God" and KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS, but the guy in Revelation 14 only has one crown on and an angel has to tell him when to reap the harvest(would an angel ever have to tell Jesus when to do something,,NEVER, Jesus made that angel Revelation 14: The Harvest of the Earth 14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man”a with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. Revelation 19: You don't see anyone telling Jesus to do anything because he knows everything 11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God(Jesus is the Word). 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”a He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Last Edited by waterman on 11/15/2012 11:46 AM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/15/2012 10:58 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God The woman from Rev 12 is Israel. "A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days." who is the child she gives birth to? God has a last day servant and it is the 2nd witness of revelation the other witness is Elijah and the 2nd is always greater than the first (John and Jesus) Elijah and the last day servant..you can see the last day servant in revelation 14 reaping the harvest: Jesus is Revelation 19 being He has many crowns and is called the "Word of God" and KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS, but the guy in Revelation 14 only has one crown on and an angel has to tell him when to reap the harvest(would an angel ever have to tell Jesus when to do something,,NEVER, Jesus made that angel Quoting: waterman Revelation 14: The Harvest of the Earth 14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man” with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. Revelation 19: Nobody is telling Jesus to do anything because he knows everything 11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God(Jesus is the Word). 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”a He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The bible has a pattern of doing the physical first and then the spiritual. In the beginning Adam and Eve had physical children together. In the end the two witnesses will be a type of Adam and Eve bringing forth spiritual children In Zechariah we see Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple, representing the two witnesses building the temple. God doesn't want a temple made of bricks, He had two of those and both were able to be destroyed. God wants people to accept what His Son Jesus did on the cross and repent. When a person does that they become the temple of God. The bible tells us there is a famine of the Word of God in the end, and these two witnesses are annointed to preach the Word so they will build the temple by spreading the Word of God about Jesus and each person will become the temple by receiving the salvation Jesus offers and as each person becomes a temple, the temple gets bigger and bigger. Again the bible shows the physical first and the spiritual second. If you know history about Israel it separated into two kingdoms after Solomon. The northern kingdom was called Israel and the southern kingdom Judah. Israel had 10 tribes and Judah had two. Assyrians came in and invaded the northern 10 tribes and they were never heard of again..135 years later the babylonians attacked the southern kingdom and took them into captivity. The difference is 70 year later the southern kingdom(Judah) regrouped and came together again, and is the Israel we know today. Those other ten tribes are in the Land of Milk and Honey(united states) just as God said he would place them. So if the 10 tribes of Israel are in the land of the United States then the people are the ones who make up Israel no matter what the land is called. America is the spiritual Israel because the 10 tribes live in the land of milk and honey. America is doing exactly what Israel did before judgement came and we will be destroyed and go into captivity just as the first physical Israel did, but God will raise up a deliverer just as he always does and send an Elijah with him. This last day servant will be Gods greatest servant because he will bring both houses of Israel 10 tribes and 2 tribes back together through the annointing God gives him. Look at Revelation 14 and you see this last day servant reaping the harvest and then look at revelation 19 and you can clearly see the difference between Jesus and the last day servant..it's posted at the top of the page. The woman about to give birth is spiritual Israel(united states)and the last day servant comes from there Last Edited by waterman on 11/15/2012 11:01 AM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/15/2012 05:18 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God Revelation chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun(united states) and the moon at her feet with 12 stars: Quoting: waterman The lost 10 tribes are the feminine half of Israel. Judah is the male. Jesus himself said he only came for the lost sheep of Isreal, which is why the gentile can be saved, and it was to make the jew jealous for salvation.....when the two houses are joined together it is a type of Adam and Eve. Eve started as part of Adam, came out of Adam and then it was declared "you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and together they became one flesh....and in the end the two houses though they started out as one the separated and will become of one spirit through Jesus Christ: galations 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are Christ all one in Jesus That is showing you spiritual Israel: 1. God never represent the Jewish nation Israel as a female: Exodus 4:22-23: 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: 23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn. 2. 12 stars represent it being Israel, but spiritual Israel 3. Clothed in the sun(means it is the glory of the nations) 4 Moon under her feet(united states only nation to conquer the moon) moon under our feet. Last Edited by waterman on 11/19/2012 09:16 AM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/15/2012 06:05 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God The servant is carried away captive after the destruction of the united states and is in captivity for 42 months before the 7 year tribulation. We clearly see the enemy comes from the north and this servant will be carried back to that land: notice again the land being attacked is the daughter of zion(united states), not Gods firstborn son Israel and this daughter is like a woman in labor just like where the man-child is. Quoting: waterman Jeremiah 6: 22This is what the Lord says: “Look, an army is coming from the land of the north; a great nation is being stirred up from the ends of the earth. 23They are armed with bow and spear; they are cruel and show no mercy. They sound like the roaring sea as they ride on their horses; they come like men in battle formation to attack you, duaghter of zion.” 24We have heard reports about them, and our hands hang limp. Anguish has gripped us, pain like that of a woman in labor. Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/16/2012 11:57 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God Building the Temple of God Hebrews 5: 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. When you start your walk with God by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, repent and turn from sin, then you become a temple of God. It is a one room playroom with a crib and a swing. Now you can stay in this small temple and be a part of the kingdom of God. Luke 17:20: 20 Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within you.” ...Jesus said "In my fathers house are many mansions(temples) if it were not so I would have told you." How many know that not all those mansions are going to be the same size with the same number of rooms? You are building your mansion(temple)NOW! because the kingdom of God is within you. Will there be mansions in heaven? I'm sure there are, but how will they be manifested? The physical mansions in heaven will be manifested by the spiritual temple inside of you. You get crowns for doing things for the kingdom of God. If you win one person to Jesus, you get a soul winners crown. Here is a list of just some that are mentioned: 1 - CROWN 1 - CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS— LOVED THE LORD'S APPEARING - 2 Tim 4:8 2 - CROWN 2 - INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN— DISCIPLINED BODIES / SELF-CONTROL - 1 Cor 9:25-27 3 - CROWN 3 - CROWN OF LIFE— ENDURED PATIENTLY THRU TRIALS - James 1:12, Rev 2:10 4 - CROWN 4 - CROWN OF GLORY— GODLY LEADERS WHO WERE EXAMPLES TO FLOCK - 1 Pet 5:2-4 5 - CROWN 5 - CROWN OF REJOICING— SOUL WINNERS CROWN - 1 Thess 2:19, Dan 12:3 If you read the word(bible) that is giving you nourishment John 6:35:And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. So if you are consuming the Word of God you have kitchen in your temple. Now we have the old baby room where it all started, a trophy and crown room, and a kitchen. Can you see the pattern of adding rooms to your temple, and the more you win to Jesus Christ, the more you read the bible, the bigger those rooms become. Build the kingdom of God, build the temple, Tell others about Jesus Christ and the plan of salvation. Last Edited by waterman on 11/16/2012 11:59 AM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/16/2012 12:47 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God open the eyes of my heart: Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22728347 11/16/2012 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God Building the Temple of God Quoting: waterman Hebrews 5: 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. When you start your walk with God by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, repent and turn from sin, then you become a temple of God. It is a one room playroom with a crib and a swing. Now you can stay in this small temple and be a part of the kingdom of God. Luke 17:20: 20 Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within you.” ...Jesus said "In my fathers house are many mansions(temples) if it were not so I would have told you." How many know that not all those mansions are going to be the same size with the same number of rooms? You are building your mansion(temple)NOW! because the kingdom of God is within you. Will there be mansions in heaven? I'm sure there are, but how will they be manifested? The physical mansions in heaven will be manifested by the spiritual temple inside of you. You get crowns for doing things for the kingdom of God. If you win one person to Jesus, you get a soul winners crown. Here is a list of just some that are mentioned: 1 - CROWN 1 - CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS— LOVED THE LORD'S APPEARING - 2 Tim 4:8 2 - CROWN 2 - INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN— DISCIPLINED BODIES / SELF-CONTROL - 1 Cor 9:25-27 3 - CROWN 3 - CROWN OF LIFE— ENDURED PATIENTLY THRU TRIALS - James 1:12, Rev 2:10 4 - CROWN 4 - CROWN OF GLORY— GODLY LEADERS WHO WERE EXAMPLES TO FLOCK - 1 Pet 5:2-4 5 - CROWN 5 - CROWN OF REJOICING— SOUL WINNERS CROWN - 1 Thess 2:19, Dan 12:3 If you read the word(bible) that is giving you nourishment John 6:35:And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. So if you are consuming the Word of God you have kitchen in your temple. Now we have the old baby room where it all started, a trophy and crown room, and a kitchen. Can you see the pattern of adding rooms to your temple, and the more you win to Jesus Christ, the more you read the bible, the bigger those rooms become. Build the kingdom of God, build the temple, Tell others about Jesus Christ and the plan of salvation. |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 27915462 11/17/2012 02:47 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God 1. Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith, and faith in what Jesus did on the cross, repenting of sin, and turning from it brings salvation. Quoting: waterman 2. God will raise up a last day servant(Moshiach) at the 7 year tribulation to lead the people and send an Elijah with him. Moses and Aaron type(two witnesses) 3 This last day servant(Moshiach) and the Elijah sent with him will join the two houses of Israel together(10 lost tribes and the 2 tribes Judah and Benjamin that make up geographical Israel today.) 4. The anti-christ and the false prophet will rebuild the physical 3rd temple. 5 The two witnesses of Revelation 11 and the remnant of the people (after the judgement of the United States comes) build the spiritual temple. When you become a believer in what Jesus did on the cross, repents and turn from sin you become the temple of God, and God lives in you. Through the witness of the two witnesses and the people who become converts the temple of God is built(the people of God are the temple and cannot be destroyed as the first 2 temples were). There is a foreshadow of this in the book of Haggai and Zechariah showing Zerubabbel(witness 1) and Joshua(witness 2) building a temple with the people. An example would be Facebook. At the very start Facebook had 2 people on it, but as it went on you keep adding people and connecting. Even after the original 2 being called Facebook added millions it is still being called Facebook so a person being the temple of God when others are also converted and become the temple of God, all together all the temples(people) are the temple of God. ![]() The sealing of the gate The Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent sealed off the Golden Gate in 1541. While this may have been purely for defensive reasons, in Jewish tradition, this is the gate through which the messiah will enter Jerusalem and it is suggested that Suleiman the Magnificent sealed off the Golden Gate to prevent the Messiah's entrance. The Muslims also built a cemetery in front of the gate, in the belief that the precursor to the messiah, Elijah, would not be able to pass through the Golden Gate and thus the messiah would not come. This belief was based upon two premises. First, according to Islamic teaching Elijah is a descendant of Aaron, making him a priest or kohen. Secondly, that Jewish priests are not permitted to enter a cemetery.(really the cemetery doesn't matter because it is the prince of Israel that goes in and out of this gate, not Elijah) This second premise is not wholly correct because a kohen is permitted to enter a cemetery in which primarily non-Jews are buried such as the one outside the Golden Gate Ezekiel 44:1-3 1 Then he brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, which faces east; and it was shut. 2 And he said to me, "This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the LORD, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut. 3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way." In verse 3 this prince of Israel is eating bread before the Lord As quoted from a book I read "Christ is the almighty God, the Lord of heaven and earth. He is not going to be sitting around eating bread before himself, before the Lord (Ezek. 44:3) What happens when that prince enters therein? All the christians and Jew will recognize that this is the one promised in the Scriptures in the book of Ezekiel, and will know that this is of the Word of God, and know only the prince of Israel can enter this gate as the scripture states. Scripture showing the prince of Israel: Ezekiel 34:23-24 23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24 And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it. Ezekiel 37:24: 24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them Notice this servant David is their small "k" king because he is a king to the people but Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords so this david servant is Jesus' first begotten making him the "prince of Isreal to Jesus because we know Jesus is the King of Israel" and this servant david is a king to the people. The "Golden Gate" was located in the East wall of Jerusalem; it was one of eleven entrance gates into the city. Notice in the above picture that this gate is sealed shut. It was sealed up in the 16th century A.D.(1541 A.D) When Gods servant comes you will know he is the rightful prince of Israel because he will be able to walk through the eastern gate as scripture states! 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| waterman (OP) User ID: 27915462 11/17/2012 09:26 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God I didn't say it was one witness only, I'm saying water and fire comes in one body this time.. Quoting: 1908247 He is first baptized in water and then in fire. This does not necessarialy means that there is only one witness, I believe the two witnesses are two different persons.. Unless you take a look at the micro microcosmos layer, in which this describes a process within the human body, then yes, I believe the symbolism is regarding one person only, but this is not something I study in depth.. very good answer Great answer by poster: Symbolism is important when seeking out a mystery. I believe You are seeing that symbolism at its early stage. However, the meaning has no factor in this interpretation. It is like figuring out Adam and Eve are two individuals, but brought forth from one body. Both are correct. Moses and Arron from the same womb, but separate as individuals, both destined in God's same purpose, for a people. So perhaps you are observing an individual who is purposed to be of a double manifestation. Like brothers,(Moses and Arron) spouse, (Adam and Eve) father and son, (God and Jesus). Although each member has a purpose; without their duality that end product induces no effect... No child (Adam & Eve)... no law (Moses & Arron)... no salvation (God the Father & Jesus)...no kingdom come (Two Witnesses), without duality. Last Edited by waterman on 11/17/2012 09:27 PM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/18/2012 02:58 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God (The "Nobody" that people talk about on this forum) is the 2nd witness of the two witnesses in revelation. When God sends 2 you always see one being greater than the other, Moses and Aaaron, Jesus and John, Adam and Eve, Joshua and Zerubabbel, etc. In Malachi 4:5-6 We see God will send Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. the "great" day of the lord came when Jesus was on earth and John the baptist was Elijah if you can except it Jesus said. When the terrible day of the Lord comes in the end then again Elijah will come as a forerunner to this "Nobody" which will be Gods greatest servant and so much is written about the "Nobody" but is hidden in the shadow of many verses that people think refer to Jesus and make Jesus out to be a sinner, example in the book of Isaiah Jacob, my servant is the "Nobody" but churches make it out to be Jesus. Jacob is described as a liar and a worm before he starts his ministry and name is changed to Israel..this is not Jesus. We know from Zechariah Joshua and Zerubabbel are the two anointed that stand by the Lord of the Earth and match the description of the two witnesses in Revelation. What are Joshua and Zerubbabel doing in zechaariah, they are rebuilding the temple after the destruction of Israel with the remant of the people. This is what the 2 witnesses will do after the destruction of the united states and people go into slavery into other countries for 42 months prior to the 7 year tribulation. Although the two witnesses build the spiritual temple(when you accept Jesus as savior you become the temple of God and the two witnesses preach the message they are annointed to preach and people become spiritual temples and collectively they are all one temple of God that cannnot be destroyed like the other 2 temples of God were destroyed. The antichrist and the false prophet at the same time will rebuild the 3rd physical temple and Jews at first will think they are the long awaited messiah but only for the first 3 and half years of the 7 year trib. This last day "Nobody" will feed the children of God spiritually just like the story of Joseph when he fed the people physically Last Edited by waterman on 11/18/2012 03:00 PM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/18/2012 04:50 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God The 2nd witness of the two witnesses in revelation is the moshiach or last day servant of God. When God sends 2 you always see one being greater than the other, Moses and Aaron, Jesus and John, Adam and Eve, Joshua and Zerubabbel, etc. In Malachi 4:5-6 We see God will send Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. the "great" day of the lord came when Jesus was on earth and John the baptist was Elijah if you can except it Jesus said. When the dreadful day of the Lord comes in the end then again Elijah will come as a forerunner to this "moshiach" which will be Gods greatest servant and so much is written about the "Moshiach" but is hidden in the shadow of many verses that people think refer to Jesus and make Jesus out to be a sinner, example in the book of Isaiah Jacob, my servant is the "Moshiach" but churches make it out to be Jesus. Jacob is described as a liar and a worm before he starts his ministry and name is changed to Israel..this is not Jesus. We know from Zechariah Joshua and Zerubabbel are the two anointed that stand by the Lord of the Earth and match the description of the two witnesses in Revelation. What are Joshua and Zerubbabel doing in zechaariah, they are rebuilding the temple after the destruction of Israel with the remnant of the people. This is what the 2 witnesses will do after the destruction of the united states and people go into slavery into other countries for 42 months prior to the 7 year tribulation. Although the two witnesses build the spiritual temple(when you accept Jesus as savior you become the temple of God and the two witnesses preach the message they are anointed to preach and people become spiritual temples and collectively they are all one temple of God that cannnot be destroyed like the other 2 temples of God were destroyed. The antichrist and the false prophet at the same time will rebuild the 3rd physical temple and Jews at first will think they are the long awaited messiah but only for the first 3 and half years of the 7 year tribulation. This last day "Moshiach" will feed the children of God spiritually during the 7 year tribulation just like the story of Joseph when he fed the people physically for 7 years. Quoting: waterman 1. Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith, and faith in what Jesus did on the cross, repenting of sin, and turning from it brings salvation. 2. God will raise up a last day servant(Moshiach) at the 7 year tribulation to lead the people and send an Elijah with him. Moses and Aaron type(two witnesses) 3 This last day servant(Moshiach) and the Elijah sent with him will join the two houses of Israel together(10 lost tribes and the 2 tribes Judah and Benjamin that make up geographical Israel today.) 4. The anti-christ and the false prophet will rebuild the physical 3rd temple. 5 The two witnesses of Revelation 11 and the remnant of the people (after the judgement of the United States comes) build the spiritual temple. When you become a believer in what Jesus did on the cross, repents and turn from sin you become the temple of God, and God lives in you. Through the witness of the two witnesses and the people who become converts the temple of God is built(the people of God are the temple and cannot be destroyed as the first 2 temples were). There is a foreshadow of this in the book of Haggai and Zechariah showing Zerubabbel(witness 1) and Joshua(witness 2) building a temple with the people. An example would be Facebook. At the very start Facebook had 2 people on it, but as it went on you keep adding people and connecting. Even after the original 2 being called Facebook added millions it is still being called Facebook so a person being the temple of God when others are also converted and become the temple of God, all together all the temples(people) are the temple of God. ![]() The sealing of the gate The Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent sealed off the Golden Gate in 1541. While this may have been purely for defensive reasons, in Jewish tradition, this is the gate through which the messiah will enter Jerusalem and it is suggested that Suleiman the Magnificent sealed off the Golden Gate to prevent the Messiah's entrance. The Muslims also built a cemetery in front of the gate, in the belief that the precursor to the messiah, Elijah, would not be able to pass through the Golden Gate and thus the messiah would not come. This belief was based upon two premises. First, according to Islamic teaching Elijah is a descendant of Aaron, making him a priest or kohen. Secondly, that Jewish priests are not permitted to enter a cemetery.(really the cemetery doesn't matter because it is the prince of Israel that goes in and out of this gate, not Elijah) This second premise is not wholly correct because a kohen is permitted to enter a cemetery in which primarily non-Jews are buried such as the one outside the Golden Gate Ezekiel 44:1-3 1 Then he brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, which faces east; and it was shut. 2 And he said to me, "This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the LORD, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut. 3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way." In verse 3 this prince of Israel is eating bread before the Lord As quoted from a book I read "Christ is the almighty God, the Lord of heaven and earth. He is not going to be sitting around eating bread before himself, before the Lord (Ezek. 44:3) What happens when that prince enters therein? All the christians and Jew will recognize that this is the one promised in the Scriptures in the book of Ezekiel, and will know that this is of the Word of God, and know only the prince of Israel can enter this gate as the scripture states. Scripture showing the prince of Israel: Ezekiel 34:23-24 23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24 And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it. Ezekiel 37:24: 24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them Notice this servant David is their small "k" king because he is a king to the people but Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords so this david servant is Jesus' first begotten making him the "prince of Isreal to Jesus because we know Jesus is the King of Israel" and this servant david is a king to the people. The "Golden Gate" was located in the East wall of Jerusalem; it was one of eleven entrance gates into the city. Notice in the above picture that this gate is sealed shut. It was sealed up in the 16th century A.D.(1541 A.D) When Gods servant comes you will know he is the rightful prince of Israel because he will be able to walk through the eastern gate as scripture states! ![]() Last Edited by waterman on 11/18/2012 07:04 PM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/18/2012 11:37 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God FIRSTBORN MAN ADAM 1.Adam=firstborn of Jesus. 2.Eve is brought forth from Adam by being taken out of Adam. NATION ISRAEL FIRSTBORN Exodus 4:22 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: Adam firstborn son Israel firstborn son Eve is separated and brought forth from Adam Israel separates after king solomon into 2 kingdoms Northern kingdom made up of 10 tribes called Israel Southern kingdom made up of 2 tribes called Judah The records of what happened to Adam are reported died 970 years old. The records of where Eve went not recorded..never heard about her death or what happened to her. Israel(Northern 10 tribes) was invaded by the Assyrians and taken into captivity and never heard from again(Just like Eve) Judah(southern 2 tribes) was invaded by babylonians but 70 years later regrouped and are geographical Israel today(We know what happened to them just like we know what happened to Adam) Eve represents Northern 10 tribes(Israel) Adam represent Southern 2 tribes(Judah) In the end both southern and northern kingdoms are re-united and spiritually become one Just as the two witnesses become of one spirit and are seated on the left and right of Jesus in the kingdom Here is the purpose of Adam and Eve: Gen 1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth So 5 things Adam and Eve are called to do 1.Fruitful 2.Multiply 3.Replenish Earth 4.Subdue Earth 5.Dominion over every living thing that moves on Earth We know God does not take back gifts and callings: Romans 11:29 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance Eve was brought forth from Adam so that the first 3 could be accomplished(Fruitful, Multiply, Replenish) Adam and Eve had children so the kingdom of God could come to be. There is a pattern in the bible. Physical is shown first then the spiritual. Adam and Eve had physical children, so that they could become spiritual temples of God Wanna know how the story of the bible end look at the beginning of the book to see the end. Isaiah 46:10: Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Adam and Eve were male and female in the beginning for the purpose of multiplying and replenishing the Earth. Adam and Eve in the end are shown as the two witnesses is Revelation and in Zechariah as Joshua and Zerubabbel builders of the spiritual temple, children of God When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior you become the spiritual temple of God. The message of These Adam and Eve type witnesses will bring forth the spiritual children of the 7 year tribulation. Last Edited by waterman on 11/19/2012 12:01 AM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/19/2012 09:31 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God FIRSTBORN MAN ADAM Quoting: waterman 1.Adam=firstborn of Jesus. 2.Eve is brought forth from Adam by being taken out of Adam. NATION ISRAEL FIRSTBORN Exodus 4:22 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: Adam firstborn son Israel firstborn son Eve is separated and brought forth from Adam Israel separates after king solomon into 2 kingdoms Northern kingdom made up of 10 tribes called Israel Southern kingdom made up of 2 tribes called Judah The records of what happened to Adam are reported died 970 years old. The records of where Eve went not recorded..never heard about her death or what happened to her. Israel(Northern 10 tribes) was invaded by the Assyrians and taken into captivity and never heard from again(Just like Eve) Judah(southern 2 tribes) was invaded by babylonians but 70 years later regrouped and are geographical Israel today(We know what happened to them just like we know what happened to Adam) Eve represents Northern 10 tribes(Israel) Adam represent Southern 2 tribes(Judah) In the end both southern and northern kingdoms are re-united and spiritually become one Just as the two witnesses become of one spirit and are seated on the left and right of Jesus in the kingdom Here is the purpose of Adam and Eve: Gen 1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth So 5 things Adam and Eve are called to do 1.Fruitful 2.Multiply 3.Replenish Earth 4.Subdue Earth 5.Dominion over every living thing that moves on Earth We know God does not take back gifts and callings: Romans 11:29 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance Eve was brought forth from Adam so that the first 3 could be accomplished(Fruitful, Multiply, Replenish) Adam and Eve had children so the kingdom of God could come to be. There is a pattern in the bible. Physical is shown first then the spiritual. Adam and Eve had physical children, so that they could become spiritual temples of God Wanna know how the story of the bible end look at the beginning of the book to see the end. Isaiah 46:10: Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Adam and Eve were male and female in the beginning for the purpose of multiplying and replenishing the Earth. Adam and Eve in the end are shown as the two witnesses is Revelation and in Zechariah as Joshua and Zerubabbel builders of the spiritual temple, children of God When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior you become the spiritual temple of God. The message of These Adam and Eve type witnesses will bring forth the spiritual children of the 7 year tribulation. So we see from this that Adam and Eve have dominion over everything that moves on earth, that would include their children: (This Adam and Eve are the two witnesses of revelation and zechariah(Joshua and Zerubabbel) the builders of the temple(kingdom) do·min·ion noun 1. the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority. 2. rule; control; domination. 3. a territory, usually of considerable size, in which a single rulership holds sway. 4. lands or domains subject to sovereignty or control. The dominion here will be parents to children relationship, not "I'm ruler and your follower" relationship, because the people of the world are the children of Adam and Eve and you can see the pattern of Israel splitting apart after king solomons reign just like Adam and Eve split apart, but in the end they become one again. Last Edited by waterman on 11/19/2012 09:32 AM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
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| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/19/2012 09:39 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God what makes you think israel has the grace of god for their spiritual wickedness? If anything its probably israel that will be destroyed, not the palestinans. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28054307 I go with what the bible says Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
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| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/19/2012 09:58 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God Ummm no that's most definitely not the case. The 2 witnesses of the Bible are the old and new testaments... but good try. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580547 The first book of the bible started out with 2 Adam and Eve. The last book of the bible end with 2 Joshuah and Zerubabbel The old and new testament are not going to be laying in the street for 3 days as the bible declares the 2 witnesses will Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/19/2012 10:29 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God Ummm no that's most definitely not the case. The 2 witnesses of the Bible are the old and new testaments... but good try. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580547 The first book of the bible started out with 2 Adam and Eve. The last book of the bible end with 2 Joshuah and Zerubabbel The old and new testament are not going to be laying in the street for 3 days as the bible declares the 2 witnesses will The bible is another example of showing an Adam/Eve, Israel/Judah type shadow. The bible started out as 1(the old testament). Then Jesus came forth and 1 testament became 2 testaments (old testament, new testament) and together the two testament become 1 book to those who can see the truth Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/19/2012 10:55 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God FIRSTBORN MAN ADAM Quoting: waterman 1.Adam=firstborn of Jesus. 2.Eve is brought forth from Adam by being taken out of Adam. NATION ISRAEL FIRSTBORN Exodus 4:22 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: Adam firstborn son Israel firstborn son Eve is separated and brought forth from Adam Israel separates after king solomon into 2 kingdoms Northern kingdom made up of 10 tribes called Israel Southern kingdom made up of 2 tribes called Judah The records of what happened to Adam are reported died 970 years old. The records of where Eve went not recorded..never heard about her death or what happened to her. Israel(Northern 10 tribes) was invaded by the Assyrians and taken into captivity and never heard from again(Just like Eve) Judah(southern 2 tribes) was invaded by babylonians but 70 years later regrouped and are geographical Israel today(We know what happened to them just like we know what happened to Adam) Eve represents Northern 10 tribes(Israel) Adam represent Southern 2 tribes(Judah) In the end both southern and northern kingdoms are re-united and spiritually become one Just as the two witnesses become of one spirit and are seated on the left and right of Jesus in the kingdom Here is the purpose of Adam and Eve: Gen 1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth So 5 things Adam and Eve are called to do 1.Fruitful 2.Multiply 3.Replenish Earth 4.Subdue Earth 5.Dominion over every living thing that moves on Earth We know God does not take back gifts and callings: Romans 11:29 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance Eve was brought forth from Adam so that the first 3 could be accomplished(Fruitful, Multiply, Replenish) Adam and Eve had children so the kingdom of God could come to be. There is a pattern in the bible. Physical is shown first then the spiritual. Adam and Eve had physical children, so that they could become spiritual temples of God Wanna know how the story of the bible end look at the beginning of the book to see the end. Isaiah 46:10: Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Adam and Eve were male and female in the beginning for the purpose of multiplying and replenishing the Earth. Adam and Eve in the end are shown as the two witnesses is Revelation and in Zechariah as Joshua and Zerubabbel builders of the spiritual temple, children of God When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior you become the spiritual temple of God. The message of These Adam and Eve type witnesses will bring forth the spiritual children of the 7 year tribulation. So we see from this that Adam and Eve have dominion over everything that moves on earth, that would include their children: (This Adam and Eve are the two witnesses of revelation and zechariah(Joshua and Zerubabbel) the builders of the temple(kingdom) do·min·ion noun 1. the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority. 2. rule; control; domination. 3. a territory, usually of considerable size, in which a single rulership holds sway. 4. lands or domains subject to sovereignty or control. The dominion here will be parents to children relationship, not "I'm ruler and your follower" relationship, because the people of the world are the children of Adam and Eve and you can see the pattern of Israel splitting apart after king solomons reign just like Adam and Eve split apart, but in the end they become one again. Last Edited by waterman on 11/19/2012 10:57 AM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
| waterman (OP) User ID: 26724077 11/19/2012 11:20 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The 2nd witness of Revelation 11 is the prince of Israel (ADAM) and the greatest of all servants of God Ummm no that's most definitely not the case. The 2 witnesses of the Bible are the old and new testaments... but good try. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580547 The first book of the bible started out with 2 Adam and Eve. The last book of the bible end with 2 Joshuah and Zerubabbel The old and new testament are not going to be laying in the street for 3 days as the bible declares the 2 witnesses will The bible is another example of showing an Adam/Eve, Israel/Judah type shadow. The bible started out as 1(the old testament). Then Jesus came forth and 1 testament became 2 testaments (old testament, new testament) and together the two testament become 1 book to those who can see the truth Here are the 'two witnesses' in revelation 11: 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.(the old and new testament have had power longer than that) 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.(Remember these are the two Olive Trees, we will see this again in the book of Zechariah describing Joshua and Zerubabbel) 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.(you can't kill the bible) 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.(the bible isn't going to be laying in the street) 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. (they have bodies) 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.(it is two prophets) 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.(they have feet) 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. Now lets look at Zechariah the same description of Olive trees is given: The story in Haggai and Zechariah is about building the temple after the destruction of Israel. Joshua and Zerubabbel were the leaders of it and the remnant of the people helped them. Look at Zechariah 4:3 And two Olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof(this is showing the end time Adam and Eve(Joshua and Zerubabbel) building the spiritual temple, because the bible shows physical first and spiritual last. Again in Zechariah we see mention of the same two olive trees mentioned as the two witnesses in Revelation 11..here it is in Zechariah4: 11 Then I answered and said to him, “What are these two olive trees—at the right of the lampstand and at its left?” 12 And I further answered and said to him, “What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?” 13 Then he answered me and said, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14 So he said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth.” That is the two witnesses that will sit on the left and right of Jesus in the kingdom and have dominion over their children just as promised to Adam and Eve in the beginning. Last Edited by waterman on 11/19/2012 11:27 AM Thread: The two witnesses in different books Thread: Woman clothed in the Sun with the Moon under her feet sign October 6 2013 Heed the warning or endure the mourning |
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