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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27249373 United States 11/07/2012 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, plunged the country into the bloodiest war in American history when all the other Western nations eliminated slavery without war, and set the stage for modern fiat money with the greenback which has caused endless economic suffering since. He's not the "undisputed greatest president". Millard Fillmore was a boss - go look him up. |
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Saddletramp User ID: 1052341 Puerto Rico 11/07/2012 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Lincoln was the reason we began moving away from powerful state governments to a more powerful centralized government, though I don't think that was his intention. Lincoln had a unique set of circumstances to deal with no doubt, but I wouldn't even put him in the top five U.S. Presidents...top ten, yes... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26402679 United States 11/07/2012 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Lincoln was the reason we began moving away from powerful state governments to a more powerful centralized government, though I don't think that was his intention. Quoting: Saddletramp Lincoln had a unique set of circumstances to deal with no doubt, but I wouldn't even put him in the top five U.S. Presidents...top ten, yes... yes, and the Roman Catholic Church announced an "infallible pope" in 1870. Centralized government and centralized politicized Christianity. Only a few years later a guy named Adolph Hitler would be the great dictator. Today we have absolute rule by the money power. ""Lincoln, the Great Divider", "Lincoln, the Machiavellian Dictator", "Financing the Bloodbath, 1861 - 1865 - check out Deanna Spingola's The Ruling Elite [link to www.amazon.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24824113 United States 11/07/2012 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Wow. He kept us forcibly joined together like when mom made me and my sister sit next to eachother on the couch and stfu when we would fight, when all we really wanted to do was get the fuck away from eachother or to kick eachother's ass again. Thanks Abe. |
OP User ID: 27261513 United States 11/07/2012 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Wow. He kept us forcibly joined together like when mom made me and my sister sit next to eachother on the couch and stfu when we would fight, when all we really wanted to do was get the fuck away from eachother or to kick eachother's ass again. Quoting: LunaticFringe Thanks Abe. Well, that might just be one of the wiser analogies made on GLP today, LF... |
Garman906 User ID: 26838565 United States 11/07/2012 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Lincoln was the reason we began moving away from powerful state governments to a more powerful centralized government, though I don't think that was his intention. Quoting: Saddletramp Lincoln had a unique set of circumstances to deal with no doubt, but I wouldn't even put him in the top five U.S. Presidents...top ten, yes... Lincoln really sucked. MSM have sold you lies again. He declared war on his own country for crying out loud. |
Garman906 User ID: 26838565 United States 11/07/2012 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! It seems that the bad-mouthers have survived to this day, which is no surprise, but without Lincoln, the USA would likely have perished over a hundred years ago. Quoting: OP 27257578 The southern states would've been much better off if it had happened that way. Now we got all these bleeding heart, gay lib-tards to deal with. Last Edited by Garman906 on 11/07/2012 06:47 PM |
OP User ID: 27264534 United States 11/07/2012 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! It seems that the bad-mouthers have survived to this day, which is no surprise, but without Lincoln, the USA would likely have perished over a hundred years ago. Quoting: OP 27257578 The southern states would've been much better off if it had happened that way. Now we got all these bleeding heart, gay lib-tards to deal with. Wow, sometimes when the Stupidity Meter runs this high, as it does with your response, I have to remember the saying - "you can't fix stupid" -- it should be the GLP slogan... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26198922 United States 11/07/2012 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Wilson FDR LBJ Obama That is a chronological list of the 5 WORST presidents in history. Lincoln was a complete fuck-up and exactly the type of figure the founding fathers had hoped to prevent from ever coming to power. He should have been universally hated in his own time, and in ours. |
gomer User ID: 348781 United States 11/07/2012 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Lincoln was a despot. He killed almost a whole generation of young men because of his ego. The differences between the North and the South were negotiable but he chose war. Because the North won, history was rewritten to make that slime ball look like some kind of saint. |
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CrazyEyesThreadKilla User ID: 27024862 United States 11/07/2012 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! It seems that the bad-mouthers have survived to this day, which is no surprise, but without Lincoln, the USA would likely have perished over a hundred years ago. Quoting: OP 27257578 The southern states would've been much better off if it had happened that way. Now we got all these bleeding heart, gay lib-tards to deal with. Wow, sometimes when the Stupidity Meter runs this high, as it does with your response, I have to remember the saying - "you can't fix stupid" -- it should be the GLP slogan... OP, as someone who once also assumed the truth of the conventional wisdom of the greatness of Lincoln, please realize you have only been told the "winner's" side of the story. As others have pointed out, Lincoln is arguably the WORST president in that he forever undermined state's rights, fundamentally changing the relationship between the federal and state government that was so carefully defined by the Founders [To be fair, the Founders fucked up by never make it clear if state's could secede, but Lincoln definitely did not have to go to war over the issue.] Personally, I don't think he was that bad, but certainly there are a lot of myths, like he was a crusader to end slavery. Completely not true. He never had any intention to end slavery, and even when he did pass the Emancipation Proclamation, it only effected a subset of Southern areas under Confederate control - it did not free all Southern slaves and it not free Northern slaves. Any objective analysis makes it pretty clear it was a strategic play to make life harder on the Southern enemy. Anyway, before you mindlessly repeat that Lincoln was the greatest, do some research. And remember that the people feeding you that conventional wisdom have shown no interest in the protection of your liberty. They have agenda, and declaring Lincoln the greatest is part of that agenda. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14348632 United States 11/07/2012 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! It seems that the bad-mouthers have survived to this day, which is no surprise, but without Lincoln, the USA would likely have perished over a hundred years ago. Quoting: OP 27257578 The southern states would've been much better off if it had happened that way. Now we got all these bleeding heart, gay lib-tards to deal with. Wow, sometimes when the Stupidity Meter runs this high, as it does with your response, I have to remember the saying - "you can't fix stupid" -- it should be the GLP slogan... OP, as someone who once also assumed the truth of the conventional wisdom of the greatness of Lincoln, please realize you have only been told the "winner's" side of the story. As others have pointed out, Lincoln is arguably the WORST president in that he forever undermined state's rights, fundamentally changing the relationship between the federal and state government that was so carefully defined by the Founders [To be fair, the Founders fucked up by never make it clear if state's could secede, but Lincoln definitely did not have to go to war over the issue.] Personally, I don't think he was that bad, but certainly there are a lot of myths, like he was a crusader to end slavery. Completely not true. He never had any intention to end slavery, and even when he did pass the Emancipation Proclamation, it only effected a subset of Southern areas under Confederate control - it did not free all Southern slaves and it not free Northern slaves. Any objective analysis makes it pretty clear it was a strategic play to make life harder on the Southern enemy. Anyway, before you mindlessly repeat that Lincoln was the greatest, do some research. And remember that the people feeding you that conventional wisdom have shown no interest in the protection of your liberty. They have agenda, and declaring Lincoln the greatest is part of that agenda. |
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Garman906 User ID: 26838565 United States 11/08/2012 06:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! It seems that the bad-mouthers have survived to this day, which is no surprise, but without Lincoln, the USA would likely have perished over a hundred years ago. Quoting: OP 27257578 The southern states would've been much better off if it had happened that way. Now we got all these bleeding heart, gay lib-tards to deal with. Wow, sometimes when the Stupidity Meter runs this high, as it does with your response, I have to remember the saying - "you can't fix stupid" -- it should be the GLP slogan... OP, as someone who once also assumed the truth of the conventional wisdom of the greatness of Lincoln, please realize you have only been told the "winner's" side of the story. As others have pointed out, Lincoln is arguably the WORST president in that he forever undermined state's rights, fundamentally changing the relationship between the federal and state government that was so carefully defined by the Founders [To be fair, the Founders fucked up by never make it clear if state's could secede, but Lincoln definitely did not have to go to war over the issue.] Personally, I don't think he was that bad, but certainly there are a lot of myths, like he was a crusader to end slavery. Completely not true. He never had any intention to end slavery, and even when he did pass the Emancipation Proclamation, it only effected a subset of Southern areas under Confederate control - it did not free all Southern slaves and it not free Northern slaves. Any objective analysis makes it pretty clear it was a strategic play to make life harder on the Southern enemy. Anyway, before you mindlessly repeat that Lincoln was the greatest, do some research. And remember that the people feeding you that conventional wisdom have shown no interest in the protection of your liberty. They have agenda, and declaring Lincoln the greatest is part of that agenda. OP is obviously a dipshit, so don't waste time trying to explain. This shit is way over his/her head. |
jack of all trades User ID: 27298915 United States 11/08/2012 06:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! Andrew Jackson was the only president to rid the country of its Rothschild debt, which was brought back soon after. What would the world have done all these years without the inbred Rothschilds? As a Rothschild mother once said, "If my sons didn't won't war, there would be none." |
OP User ID: 27300952 United States 11/08/2012 07:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! You are obviously an idiot and have NEVER read any history in your entire entitled life. Go back to the plantation cotton picker. Quoting: trdahduhbs 1273265 And you are speaking of yourself with that description. I am well-read in regards to Lincoln. There are two sides to Lincoln's legacy...and it does not surprise me that the GLP crowd is mostly in the dark once again... |
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A_Historian User ID: 22596999 United States 11/08/2012 07:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! It seems that the bad-mouthers have survived to this day, which is no surprise, but without Lincoln, the USA would likely have perished over a hundred years ago. Quoting: OP 27257578 The southern states would've been much better off if it had happened that way. Now we got all these bleeding heart, gay lib-tards to deal with. Wow, sometimes when the Stupidity Meter runs this high, as it does with your response, I have to remember the saying - "you can't fix stupid" -- it should be the GLP slogan... OP, as someone who once also assumed the truth of the conventional wisdom of the greatness of Lincoln, please realize you have only been told the "winner's" side of the story. As others have pointed out, Lincoln is arguably the WORST president in that he forever undermined state's rights, fundamentally changing the relationship between the federal and state government that was so carefully defined by the Founders [To be fair, the Founders fucked up by never make it clear if state's could secede, but Lincoln definitely did not have to go to war over the issue.] Personally, I don't think he was that bad, but certainly there are a lot of myths, like he was a crusader to end slavery. Completely not true. He never had any intention to end slavery, and even when he did pass the Emancipation Proclamation, it only effected a subset of Southern areas under Confederate control - it did not free all Southern slaves and it not free Northern slaves. Any objective analysis makes it pretty clear it was a strategic play to make life harder on the Southern enemy. Anyway, before you mindlessly repeat that Lincoln was the greatest, do some research. And remember that the people feeding you that conventional wisdom have shown no interest in the protection of your liberty. They have agenda, and declaring Lincoln the greatest is part of that agenda. A very good post Last Edited by Templar Knight on 11/08/2012 07:50 AM The day the soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership. |
op User ID: 27344920 United States 11/08/2012 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The undisputed greatest president - Lincoln - was bad-mouthed by half the people in his time, too! GAG. You can not possibly be comparing President Lincoln to President Obama. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24518639 I did not say Obama was a great president - only time will tell that, and not the current swarm of unenlightened and/or brainwashed critics. Hey, but nobody's perfect...so I'll try not to judge... |