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Enjoy the bread and circuses (and obamaphones) while it lasts

 
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11/07/2012 06:14 PM
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Enjoy the bread and circuses (and obamaphones) while it lasts
The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.

Robert A. Heinlein
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11/07/2012 06:19 PM
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Re: Enjoy the bread and circuses (and obamaphones) while it lasts
Thank you to the 47%ers, who made it clear what path our country has chosen.
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11/07/2012 06:20 PM
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Re: Enjoy the bread and circuses (and obamaphones) while it lasts
So we should purge this disease before it does even more damage
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11/07/2012 06:23 PM
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Re: Enjoy the bread and circuses (and obamaphones) while it lasts
So we should purge this disease before it does even more damage
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it's too late. my advice is to take as much bread as you can and enjoy the circus before it's gone
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11/07/2012 06:32 PM
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Re: Enjoy the bread and circuses (and obamaphones) while it lasts
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy
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11/07/2012 07:06 PM
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Re: Enjoy the bread and circuses (and obamaphones) while it lasts
I think this country will divide and fall and as you state be taken over by a third party my guess is china will end up owning us i know are to far in and we'll never see the light of day
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11/07/2012 07:28 PM
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Re: Enjoy the bread and circuses (and obamaphones) while it lasts
Not happening.

First, "Obamaphones" are from a W. Bush program. That's right, you're slur belongs in a different camp altogether.

Second, the people in the U.S. can't vote themselves anything. The idea that people are somehow giving themselves money by electing Obama is ridiculous. The government controls that and hasn't changed their stance on it in a long time.

But... Welfare! That has to be the same thing, doesn't it?

Nope.

More people are on it, but that;s due to the incredible Depression our economy is in right now. That, by the way, is cyclical and has nothing to do with who's President at the moment.

Bush was in power when it started, but it wasn't his fault either. We should be starting to come out of it soon as well, and indicators are starting to show that. It will take a few years, but it also isn't Obama rescuing us.

Heinlein had a lot of great things to say, but he was also just a man that wrote science fiction novels. Interesting and intelligent, but not someone to base your system of governance on.

The big difference is that the body politic CAN control what happens.

We don't have bread and circuses now for a reason. This is a Republic, not a Democracy.

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